Jul 16, 2021

Press Secretary Jen Psaki White House Press Conference Transcript July 16

Press Secretary Jen Psaki White House Press Conference Transcript July 16
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July 16, 2021 press conference with White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki. Read the transcript of the full news briefing here.

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Jen Psaki: (02:47)
Hi everyone. Happy Friday.

Speaker 1: (02:49)
Happy Friday.

Jen Psaki: (02:52)
Ryan Kemp’s got some sunglasses on. Everybody’s ready for the weekend. Okay. I have a couple of items for all of you at the top. Last week, we launched the supply chain disruption task force to monitor, engage, and act on current and emerging supply chain, disruptions and bottlenecks. This afternoon, the White House is hosting a convening of the supply chain disruptions task force with secretary of commerce, Gina Raimondo, secretary of housing and urban development, Marcia Fudge, director of the national economic council, Brian Deese, domestic policy advisor, Susan Rice, council of economic advisors chair, Cecilia Ralphs, and groups representing the full range of the home building supply chain, from loggers and lumber contractors, labor leaders, realtors, and affordable housing advocates. At this convening, these administration officials and key stakeholders will discuss strategies to address short-term supply chain disruptions in the home building sector and how they can work together to address them.

Jen Psaki: (03:50)
I also wanted to note that yesterday senior White House officials led by Susan Rice and Julia Rodriguez launched the community violence intervention collaborative, announced by the president on June 23rd, as part of his comprehensive plan to reduce gun crime. The community violence intervention is an evidence-based approach that has been shown to reduce violence by as much as 60%. CVI prevents gun violence and crime in communities around the country before it happens, by intervening in disputes early and connecting potential perpetrators and victims with services and support to divert them away from crime. It’s an approach that’s been embraced by an increasing number of law enforcement leaders nationally, as well as by mayors of both parties in cities around America. So this will be an ongoing initiative.

Jen Psaki: (04:37)
I also wanted to give you an update, I noted earlier this week that there have been 2 million people who now have access to affordable healthcare thanks to the reopening of the enrollment, special enrollment period. Yesterday, we launched a summer sprint coverage campaign, leveraging robust paid media, increased community outreach, and more to get Americans signed up. The President is urging Americans who need health insurance to visit healthcare.gov or to call 1800 318 2596 if they would prefer to enroll today. We’ll keep talking about this question a bit until August 15th, which is the end of the timeline.

Jen Psaki: (05:16)
I also have promised you that I would give you updates on interesting initiatives. We’re taking to reach people, meet people where they are as it relates to getting vaccinated. So on Saturday, NASCAR will host the Get Vaccinated 200, they’ll have vaccines on site and will be encouraging vaccinations. This is the type of whole of country approach that is reaching people in convenient locations with messengers they trust. Finally, a quick week ahead. On Monday, the President and first lady will welcome their Majesty’s King Abdullah the second, and queen Rani of Jordan and his Royal Highness crown prince Hussein to the White House.

Jen Psaki: (05:52)
Their Majesty’s visit will highlight the enduring and strategic partnership between the United and Jordan, a key security partner and ally of the United States. There’ll be an opportunity to discuss many challenges facing the middle east and showcase Jordan’s leadership role in promoting peace and stability in the region. On Monday, the president will also deliver remarks on the economic recovery and the progress made under his administration, taking the country from 60,000 new jobs per month, to 600,000 new jobs per month. And from 1% of Americans vaccinated to more than two thirds of adults with at least one shot. He’ll explain why his rescue plan has helped us get here and will continue supporting Americans throughout the year and why we need the infrastructure agreement and his build back better plan to sustain that growth in years to come, while keeping inflation in check for the longterm.

Jen Psaki: (06:42)
On Tuesday, the President will hold his second cabinet meeting of his administration, his first in the cabinet room, get excited everyone, and he looks forward to that. And on Wednesday, the President will travel to Cincinnati, Ohio to participate in a CNN town hall. With that, Alex, why don’t you kick us off?

Alex: (07:00)
Thanks. I have a few questions on China and then one on the Biff. Can you talk a little bit more about the Hong Kong business advisory and the latest sanctions and what triggered those? And also there have been reports that Wendy Shaman may attach a China visit onto the end of her Asia visit. Can you talk about what her goal might be with something like that? And does this mean that we’re moving closer to, I know last month there was talking of a potential Biden, President Xi summit, are we moving closer to that?

Jen Psaki: (07:30)
Sure. Well, first as the president said yesterday, the situation in Hong Kong is continuing to deteriorate and we continue to see Beijing assault Hong Kong’s autonomy and democratic institutions. We’ve seen authorities use the national security law to make politically motivated arrests. And we’ve seen a general deterioration of fundamental freedoms, which were guaranteed by an international agreement. So that’s why the United States, we announced steps that we’re taking today to promote accountability and transparency. On the accountability front, the state department announced earlier today, seven officials who were sanctioned for their actions, threatening the peace, stability, security, and autonomy of Hong Kong. On the transparency front, today, the US government issued a business advisory, as you noted Alex, I just wanted to give the full context, for Hong Kong, which is intended to inform businesses and highlight the growing risk for those operating in Hong Kong. The bottom line is that businesses should be aware that the risks faced in mainland China are now increasingly present in Hong Kong.

Jen Psaki: (08:32)
And as the president said last month, of course we will not waiver in our support for Hong Kong and all those who stand up for the basic freedoms. But as businesses are making decisions, and obviously they’re making decisions themselves, we want them to be aware of the accessing of data inappropriately, of the restriction of information, and they should be aware of that happening in Hong Kong, as well as in mainland China.

Alex: (08:57)
And then Wendy Sherman.

Jen Psaki: (08:59)
Got it. In terms of Wendy Sherman’s trip. I don’t have an update on travel. We of course have been, and continue to explore opportunities to engage with PRC officials. We’ve been clear we will engage in conversations at the appropriate level when there’s an opportunity for them to be substantive and hopefully consequential. So I don’t have an update on intended to travel. Obviously, they are quite adept over there at the state department of adding things as needed. And as it relates to plans for the president, as we’ve said, he will look for opportunities to engage with President Xi going forward. We don’t have any particular plans at this moment, so no decisions have been made, but we’ll continue to evaluate what’s appropriate and what would be constructive in the relationship moving forward.

Alex: (09:45)
And then just on the Biff, there are reports that it could be financed in providing tariffs on carbon heavy imports, which could end up rising prices on goods for American families. Is the white house open to that, or would that be a concern similar to the gas tax?

Jen Psaki: (10:00)
There are ongoing discussions about the final components, of course, as we look to, and I know you are all eager to see bill language and legislative language. And of course, having discussions about the pay force are part of that. The president’s bottom lines have not changed about the fact that any pay force cannot raise taxes on individuals making less than $400,000 a year. And anything that would impact that would not be something he would support. Go ahead.

Phil: (10:27)
Follow up on, I can’t believe we’re calling it the Biff

Jen Psaki: (10:31)
Those of us old enough, think of back to the future. Those who were younger, I don’t know what they think of.

Phil: (10:39)
I’m in the Back To The Future category. Given the fact that discussions are ongoing, and if the discussions are still ongoing come Wednesday, does the president believes that the Senate should take the procedural vote to move forward if there’s no bill text or deal at hand?

Jen Psaki: (10:51)
Well, I think one, leader Schumer of course, will be running point and leading the effort to determine and making the determination about the timeline, the process, and the sequencing of votes in the Senate. And we certainly work closely with him, but we certainly trust his path that he is mapping out for the legislative process. We have several days, I would note, before Monday for more information to become available. We’ll see what is known. I will note that the President is quite familiar with the rollercoaster and ups and downs of legislating. Having spent 36 years there and even having had some successes over the last few months in working with legislators, we had a productive meeting. Members of our team had a constructive, productive meeting yesterday.

Jen Psaki: (11:38)
And I’d also note that there are a number of Republicans and Democrats who feel the same in terms of the path forward. Senator Portman said, “We’re going to get it done and that we’ll end up with a good package.” Senator Cassidy said he did not feel squeezed by the timing. Senator Romney affirmed, “Things were going in a good direction.” We certainly understand the ups and downs. No one better than the president. That’s the period of time we’re in at this point.

Phil: (12:03)
You went through the top line details of this yesterday, but could you elaborate a little bit on the administration to Facebook flagging disinformation. And then there’s also some reporting that we’ve had that Facebook, maybe hasn’t been as proactive as the White House would like it to be in response to some of the flagging. So the process of how the flagging works and then whether Facebook has been amenable to those requests.

Jen Psaki: (12:23)
Sure. Well, I would say first, it shouldn’t come as any surprise that we’re in regular touch with social media platforms, just like we’re in regular touch with all of you and your media outlets about areas where we have concern, information that might be useful, information that may or may not be interesting to your viewers. You all make decisions just like the social media platforms make decisions, even though they’re a private sector company and different, but just as an example. So we are regularly making sure social media platforms are aware of the latest narratives, dangers to public health, that we and many other Americans are seeing across all of social and traditional media. And we work to engage with them to better understand the enforcement of social media platform policies.

Jen Psaki: (13:05)
So let me give you an example, just to illustrate it a little bit. The false narrative that remains active out there about COVID-19 vaccines causing infertility, something we’ve seen out there floating on the internet quite a bit and other places as well, which has been disproven time and time again. This is troubling, but a persistent narrative that we and many have seen. And we want to know that the social media platforms are taking steps to address it. That is inaccurate, false information. If you are a parent, you would look at that information and that would naturally raise concerns, but it’s an accurate. And that is an example of the kind of information that we are flagging, or facing.

Phil: (13:44)
And then, has Facebook been as proactive as the White House would like in terms of its response to these flags?

Jen Psaki: (13:50)
Well, I think as I noted yesterday, Phil, there are more steps that everyone can take. And I would just note, again, this is a responsibility of officials speaking, of course, on behalf of the government, it’s a responsibility of members of the media, it’s the responsibility of citizens and civic leaders and people who are trusted voices in communities around the country, that has a broad definition. Social media platforms is one of them. And as we know, there are also areas where a lot of people get news and information. Sometimes those are accurate news items reported by some of your outlets or accurate information shared by a neighbor. Sometimes there’s information that is not, it is hard to discriminate. As we know, this is not a new issue, but it is an issue that is impacting people’s lives. So a couple of the steps that could be constructive for the public health of the country are providing for Facebook or other platforms to measure and publicly share the impact of misinformation on their platform and the audience it’s reaching.

Jen Psaki: (14:57)
Also with the public, with all of you to, create robust enforcement strategies that bridge their properties and provide transparency about rules. You shouldn’t be banned from one platform and not others for providing misinformation out there. Taking faster action against harmful posts. As you all know, information travels quite quickly. If it’s up there for days and days and days, when people see it, it’s hard to put that back in a box. And of course, promoting quality information algorithms. I don’t know how they work, but they all do know how they work. So those are some of the steps that we think could be constructive for public health, for public information, for public, and the right of the public to know. Go ahead.

Alex: (15:42)
Just to quickly follow up on the Facebook aspect of this. You said yesterday that 12 people were producing 65% of the misinformation on vaccines on social media platforms. Do you have a sense of who those people are? Are they bad actors like Russia? And Facebook responded yesterday after the press briefing, they say that they removed 18 million pieces of COVID misinformation.

Speaker 2: (16:03)
They say that they’ve removed 18 million pieces of COVID misinformation, they’ve connected more than two billion people to reliable information. Does the White House find that sufficient?

Jen Psaki: (16:10)
Clearly not because we’re talking about additional steps that should be taken and, frankly, information that media organizations could decide whether you’re going to report on or not. I’m not talking just about the misinformation storyline. I’m talking about these individuals. I’m talking about how prevalent the spreading of this information is. The public has a right to know. That’s the point that we’re making and we’re dealing with a life or death issue here, and so everybody has a role to play in making sure there’s accurate information. Obviously those are steps they have taken. They’re a private sector company, they’re going to make decisions about additional steps they can take. It’s clear there are more that can be taken.

Jen Psaki: (16:50)
Actually, can I, just on the foreign government piece, because I think that’s an important point, or important, interesting question.

Jen Psaki: (16:57)
The State Department’s global engagement center has found that Russia and China have promoted their own vaccines through messaging that undermines Western-origin vaccine development programs. That is more than just competition about vaccines. The risk and impact there is that this type of information magnifies the risk of potential side effects associated with Western vaccines. This is what the information, some of this misinformation is doing and misleads the public by falsely alleging that mRNA vaccines are untested and thus risky, even though many of them are approved and have gone through the gold standard of the FDA approval process.

Jen Psaki: (17:36)
The PRC, for example, has also suggested that the United States hoards COVID-19 treatments and prevents other countries from requiring vaccines, despite evidence to the contrary. But certainly pushing information out there that these tested, approved vaccines are ineffective and unhelpful, a lot of people on these platforms, they’re not discriminating, as you all know, between the source of the information. And that is damaging as well. We’ve seen that trend.

Speaker 2: (18:00)
One more, if I could? On Afghanistan. Thank you, Jen.

Speaker 2: (18:02)
As we look at the withdrawal in Afghanistan, what is your assessment of the Taliban’s advancements? We heard from the president, he said the likelihood that there was going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely. Does the administration still believe that the Afghan government can maintain control in the region?

Jen Psaki: (18:20)
I think that what the president was conveying is that it is not inevitable. We have provided a range of a great deal of support, supplies, training. We’re continuing to do that. We will continue to provide security assistance in the coming months to the Afghan national forces, but it is up to them to determine, are they going to unite as a country? Are they going to stand up and fight against the Taliban? It will be in their hands moving forward. His point is that it is not inevitable. There has been no intelligence assessment that has said it is inevitable, even as we are assessing what the consequences could be.

Jen Psaki: (19:01)
Go ahead.

Speaker 3: (19:02)
Thanks, Jen. When you talk about misinformation, it seems like one of the best ways to counteract some of the vaccine misinformation that’s out there would be for the FDA to fully authorize these vaccines, put the full weight of government approval behind the vaccines. But now we’re hearing that may not happen until January 2022, or even later. Is the president comfortable with that timeline?

Jen Psaki: (19:22)
The president’s comfortable with scientists and data experts moving on the timeline that they see is appropriate. I don’t know that we know that to be factually true, that to be the main driver. I haven’t seen data to suggest that, that the main driver of it is if it’s formally approved or not. A lot of the misinformation that is traveling out there is about the consequences and the impact of the vaccine. It’s not always tied to, or necessarily tied to whether it’s been formally approved or not. Obviously that may give medical experts or others some greater level of confidence. We will see. But the president is going to leave it to the FDA to determine the timeline.

Speaker 3: (19:59)
The president doesn’t have any concerns about the length of time that the approval process takes currently at the FDA?

Jen Psaki: (20:05)
He’s going to allow them to move at the pace of science.

Speaker 3: (20:09)
Okay. Then I wanted to ask you about the new reporting about Joint Chiefs Chairman General Milley, who had apparently some very serious national security concerns just before President Biden took office. Did he brief then-president-elect Biden about his fears about a strike on Iran or about the possibility of an attempted coup?

Jen Psaki: (20:27)
I’m not going to speak to private national security consequence, or conversations, I should say. Obviously the president had many conversations with General Milley, Miller during his time in his role. Most of those, or none of those do we read out. I will say that he strongly respects General Miller, as you know, he had the opportunity to sit down with him on Wednesday. Thank him for his outstanding leadership of the Resolute Support mission, including overseeing the vast majority of our draw-down from Afghanistan, which is a particular vulnerable period, during a particularly vulnerable period for our troops.

Speaker 3: (21:01)
How close does the president think we came to a possible war with Iran or an attempted coup here at home?

Jen Psaki: (21:05)
I’m just not going to speak to intelligence matters from here.

Jen Psaki: (21:08)
Go ahead.

Peter: (21:08)
All right. Thanks, Jan. First on COVID origins, is the White House worried that China continues stonewalling the World Health Organization investigators and now in saying things like they think maybe COVID-19 got into China through frozen food?

Jen Psaki: (21:22)
We certainly remain, or continue to be concerned, Peter, about misinformation coming from voices in China about certainly the origins, their lack of participation in the process, their lack of willingness to provide data and information to the World Health Organization. As you know, we are undergoing our own process here, our 90-day review here, but certainly the Chinese providing information, being a participant in the process would aid the effort.

Peter: (21:52)
Then speaking of misinformation and the announcement from yesterday, for how long has the administration been spying on people’s Facebook profiles looking for vaccine misinformation?

Jen Psaki: (22:03)
Well, that was quite a loaded and inaccurate question, which I would refute-

Peter: (22:08)
Inaccurate how?

Jen Psaki: (22:08)
Well, Peter, first of all, as you know, we’re in regular touch with a range of media outlets as-

Peter: (22:15)
And we expect that the White House is watching Fox, but [crosstalk 00:22:16]

Jen Psaki: (22:16)
Let me finish. As we are in regular touch with social media platforms. This is publicly open information, people sharing information online just as you are all reporting information on your news stations.

Peter: (22:32)
Okay. These 12 people who you have on a list, 12 individuals, do they know that somebody at the Surgeon General’s office is going through their profile?

Jen Psaki: (22:43)
I’m happy to get you the citation of where that comes from. There’s no secret list. I will tell you that these are people who were sharing information on public platforms on Facebook, information that is traveling, is an accurate. Our biggest concern here, and I frankly think it should be your biggest concern, is the number of people who are dying around the country because they’re getting misinformation that is leading them to not take a vaccine.

Peter: (23:06)

Jen Psaki: (23:06)
Young people, old people, kids, children, a lot of them are being impacted by misinformation.

Peter: (23:13)
The big concern though, I think, for a lot of people on Facebook is that now this is Big Brother watching you.

Jen Psaki: (23:19)
They’re more concerned about that than people dying across the country because of a pandemic where misinformation is traveling on social media platforms? That feels unlikely to me. If you have the data to back that up, I’m happy to discuss it.

Peter: (23:31)
Okay. About things that are on Facebook. I looked this morning, there are videos of Dr. Fauci from 2020 before anybody had a vaccine and he’s out there saying there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. Is the administration going to contact Facebook and ask them to take that down?

Jen Psaki: (23:46)
Well, first I think what Dr. Fauci has said himself, who’s been quite public, out there, is that science evolves, information evolves, and we make that available in a public way to the American people.

Peter: (23:58)
Exactly, Jen.

Jen Psaki: (23:58)
I have never seen any data to suggest that the vaccines cause infertility. That is information that is irresponsibly traveling.

Jen Psaki: (24:11)
Okay. I think-

Peter: (24:11)
Just one more. Just one more.

Peter: (24:11)

Speaker 4: (24:11)
It sounds like you’re advocating for censorship.

Peter: (24:12)
About the science evolving, Facebook used to block people from posting that COVID may have originated for a lab. That is something this president now admits is a possibility. Is there any concern that things you are trying to block or have taken down might someday turn out to be-

Jen Psaki: (24:31)
We don’t take anything down.

Peter: (24:32)

Jen Psaki: (24:33)
We don’t block anything. Facebook and any private sector company makes decisions about what information should be on their platform. Our point is that there is information that is leading to people not taking the vaccine and people are dying as a result. We have a responsibility as a public health matter to raise that issue. The responsibility we all have, the government, media, platforms, public messengers to give accurate information.

Jen Psaki: (24:58)
Go ahead.

Peter Alexander: (24:59)
About the 12 individuals that are on that. It’s not precise. It’s not from the White House. I don’t have the source in front of me, but we’ve read it as well. Can you give us a sense of who those individuals are, as was asked before, and what specifically, you’ve given a tough message to the social platforms, that they should do more, the social media platforms, what from this podium is the message to those individuals, the 12 of them, who were responsible for 65% of the misinformation that’s out there?

Jen Psaki: (25:24)
The message is the same message as it is to every person out there who has a platform, whether that is an elected official or that is a person who is a civic leader, the vaccines are safe. They’re effective. If people take them, they will save their life in many cases. Our message to everyone who’s sharing misinformation is that the steps you’re taking are irresponsible, they could lead to people getting very sick and people ultimately losing their lives. Why don’t we all participate in a process that will help provide accurate information out there?

Peter Alexander: (25:58)
Has the White House participated in any direct contact with these individuals, given the impact they’re having through any avenue to try to say knock it off?

Jen Psaki: (26:05)
No. I’m happy to get you guys the data on where we got that information.

Peter Alexander: (26:10)
[crosstalk 00:26:10].

Jen Psaki: (26:11)
Yeah, it’s publicly available data. We’ll get you the citation is what I mean.

Peter Alexander: (26:14)
Let me ask you if I can then about some of the other numbers as they relate to COVID right now. Obviously, due to the Delta variant, COVID cases are up sharply right now.

Jen Psaki: (26:22)
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Peter Alexander: (26:22)
Testing is down right now. How concerned is the White House that this variant, COVID in general, is much more widespread than we’re aware of publicly at this time?

Jen Psaki: (26:34)
It’s a great question. I don’t want to speak out of turn here because it’s really a question for the health and medical experts on how they’re tracking that and how concerned they are. We certainly know on transmissibility, and based on the CDC data, that the Delta variant is impacting the majority of people who are getting sick with COVID now. We also know that 99.5% of people who are in the hospital are people who are unvaccinated and people who are dying of COVID, unvaccinated. The data is very clear. As Dr. Walensky said on an earlier briefing today, this is really becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated. That means getting vaccinated, you can save yourself.

Peter Alexander: (27:11)
Is there anything that the White House is doing different than? We saw the president proudly in Philadelphia shaking hands with a lot of folks when he was there for his voting rights speech earlier this week. We saw something similar last week when he was in Illinois. Given the reporting about some breakthrough cases right now, are there any things that the White House is doing differently as it relates to your own staffing or the president’s handling of his sort of activities due to those new numbers?

Jen Psaki: (27:34)
No, we are vaccinated. The president’s vaccinated. We are all vaccinated.

Peter Alexander: (27:37)
Okay, so breakthrough cases are not something that you or Americans should worry about?

Jen Psaki: (27:41)
We still have a testing protocol and process in place for White House staff. That has continued.

Peter Alexander: (27:47)
And for those individuals that he would be shaking hands with, there’s not any? Basically, shaking hands is good if you’re vaccinated?

Jen Psaki: (27:52)
We abide by public health guidelines as it relates to the president’s engagements. If public health guidelines changed, which I am not predicting, we would continue to abide by them.

Jen Psaki: (28:02)
Go ahead. Oh, I’ll come to you next, April.

Speaker 5: (28:05)
Just a question on the meeting that you’re having with the housing industry today at the White House.

Jen Psaki: (28:10)

Speaker 5: (28:10)
How concerned is the White House about the supply shortage in the industry leading to inflationary pressures? Is that a serious concern? Is that why this meeting is being held?

Jen Psaki: (28:20)
The meeting is being held as part of our effort to connect suppliers who have said in the past to our economic experts, they don’t always have the opportunity to talk to one another. We know because of the pandemic, there have been supply shortages in areas that have led to a reduction of new building and construction, which has led to also an increase in housing prices, because there are certainly just not enough houses on the market. That’s what it’s related to is an opportunity to discuss with them, bring them all together in a room, and it’s part of our multifaceted effort to address issues in the supply chain.

Speaker 5: (28:56)
And one on Cuba. The president did say yesterday that the United States was trying to reinstate internet access for Cubans.

Jen Psaki: (29:06)

Speaker 5: (29:06)
I was wondering if the White House or the administration has reached out to US tech companies, I mean the Google of the world, to help with that effort?

Jen Psaki: (29:17)
That effort would really be led by the State Department and other appropriate entities within the federal government. As the president noted yesterday, returning internet access to Cuba would certainly be something we’d love to be a part of. It is. We’re looking at what our capacities and what our tools are, we have. In terms of more specifics, the State Department would be the best entity to talk to about it.

Jen Psaki: (29:39)
Go ahead.

April Ryan: (29:40)
Jen, you said I was next.

Jen Psaki: (29:40)
Oh, sorry. April, go ahead, and then I’ll come to you.

April Ryan: (29:42)
On voting rights.

Jen Psaki: (29:42)

April Ryan: (29:44)
On Tuesday, President Biden said, he called for activists to act on the issue of voting rights. What did he mean by that? Was that to escalate it higher to Republicans so that they can change their minds and maybe stop using the filibuster? Also, what does he think about what happened yesterday with the arrest of the Congresswoman and nine other black women who peacefully walked through the Senate halls in the Hart building chanting and singing and were arrested, not taken to the holding cell, holding area, but taken to a jail cell?

Jen Psaki: (30:21)
Well, April, first, what he meant by speaking out or having your voice heard or the range of ways he said it is that in order to make change happen in Washington, often you need to create a grassroots movement that’s led by the American people. It’s not just about whether the minds of 10 Republicans can be changed directly by a phone call from a president. It often requires activism, engagement, a vocal opposition, or excitement from members of the public. That’s going to take a lot of different forms, right? And formats. It can take letter writing, phone calling, there’s peaceful protesting. There are a range of mechanisms for that and certainly our country, even in recent years, has a great history of that. These members who were, some of them were members, I should say-

April Ryan: (31:15)
One member.

Jen Psaki: (31:15)
One member who was arrested yesterday. They were peacefully protesting. I would note that our support for the right to peacefully protest and to voice support for moving forward on voting rights is exemplified by the fact that the vice president is currently meeting right now with a number of members. They’re here. A number of them are at the White House discussing exactly this issue, because we want to be standing by their side in this effort.

April Ryan: (31:44)
Some of the civil rights leaders are here, as you said, but last week when the civil rights leaders were here, they said this is a summer of action.

Jen Psaki: (31:50)
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

April Ryan: (31:52)
They’re expecting more protests. Reverend Barber says he’s going to have a bunch of women out on Monday. There’s going to be more protests on Wednesday, more arrests. They’re anticipating arrests to bring more attention to this. Does the White House support that civil disob-

Speaker 6: (32:03)
… to bring more attention to this. Does the White House support that civil disobedience for arrests?

Jen Psaki: (32:06)
We support the right to peacefully protest. We support people having their voices heard. And certainly there are few issues that are more fundamental to our rights in this country than the right to vote. Go ahead. I’ll come to you right next, if that’s okay. Go ahead.

Speaker 7: (32:21)
Just a clarifying questions and then a follow-up on Afghanistan.

Jen Psaki: (32:25)

Speaker 7: (32:25)
Yesterday you said that 20, 000 Africans have applied and that about half of that have completed the necessary paperwork to move forward in the process. What’s, “Move forward in the process?” Does that mean 10,000 SIV applicants will be evacuated?

Jen Psaki: (32:44)
No, that’s not what it means. It just means that they’re in a later stage of the process. It was just giving an update kind of on the pure sheer… And as I said yesterday, that doesn’t include family members, that includes individual interpreters or translators. So it just means they’re farther forward in the process. There’s another step in the process which is security vetting, which would need to be completed before any individual is relocated to a base in the United States. Individuals could be relocated to third countries before that process is completed. So it was just an update kind of on where people stand in the process.

Speaker 7: (33:18)
And, to take a step back too, why did the administration wait until June 24th to commit to the evacuation? Why not have this be one of the early steps right when the President announced this in April, I believe, while American troops are still on the ground? I mean, announcing this just days before the combat mission is essentially over would seem to complicate the mission.

Jen Psaki: (33:43)
I would say first, there’s always ongoing discussions both with our partners in the region and others before an announcement is made. And sometimes it requires a process to get to the point where you are making an announcement about the relocation of thousands of individuals out of a country.

Jen Psaki: (34:02)
Second I would say, we’ve also committed to not only relocating these individuals in advance of our service men and women coming out of Afghanistan. We have quite a capable Department of Defense and diplomatic apparatus in Afghanistan and around the world to implement this. But we’ve also committed to continuing this process from there and having a diplomatic presence on the ground from there. So this is not a process that will end, but this is a process that we announced at a time when a final decision was made based on a range of factors internally.

Speaker 7: (34:40)
Have any third countries outside of US territories given the US commitment, the administration commitment, that they will house SIV applicants while they’re still having their application processed?

Jen Psaki: (34:46)
We’re having a range of discussions, as you know. When we’re at the point where we have final agreements and we don’t and we’re confident that it won’t impact the security of individuals who are being relocated we’ll share all of that information with you as well.

Speaker 7: (34:59)
But there’s no commitments as of today?

Jen Psaki: (35:00)
I don’t have any updates to provide to you today. Go ahead. Oh I’m sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 9: (35:04)
What can Africa expect from this administration in terms of its engagement in helping solving some problems that we are having right now. For example, Angola is fighting corruption. And also, can we expect some revision in the sanctions in Zimbabwe?

Jen Psaki: (35:23)
I don’t have any update for you on considerations around sanctions. I’d point you to Department of Treasury or the Department of State on that. We of course will remain deeply engaged with our African partners on a range of issues, whether it’s corruption or facing and fighting the COVID pandemic or economic opportunity and development. And I would note that we have a number of leaders high up in the government, including our UN Ambassador Linda Thomas Greenfield, who has spent quite a bit of time working with leaders in the region and playing a front and center role for the United States government. But in terms of specifics on Zimbabwe or Angola, I would point you to the State Department.

Speaker 9: (36:02)
Regarding misinformation, do you have any data that shows that children have being affected by misinformation? And how do you see we should educate children about this issues? Because I’m working on a show that will inform little kids about many different things, and I’m also concerned about misinformation. So in your research about this information, is there any misinformation affecting children as well?

Jen Psaki: (36:31)
That’s a really interesting question. I don’t have any data at my fingertips. I will reiterate that, of course, children are not eligible under the age of 12 yet for vaccines in the United States. And decisions about the health of children, as a parent myself, would obviously be made by the parents in coordination with doctors.

Jen Psaki: (36:51)
But I would say there’s no question that when there’s information, the example I gave earlier about the impact on fertility of which is inaccurate and false, which is still traveling around the internet. If you’re a parent that would give you pause if you think that is accurate information about your child and about your child getting vaccinated. So that’s an example. I don’t have data, but just an example of that could be applicable. Go ahead.

Speaker 8: (37:15)
I have a question about the direct funding to states and cities from the American Rescue Plan, the 350 billion. I was talking to the Treasury Department, about 200 billion has gone out and several cities and states that have been quick to allocate that money. But, these other mayors and governors who I’ve talked to who have spent very little of that funding so far, in some cases none of it either because of battles with their state legislatures over the funds, they’re late budget cycles, lengthy public input processes. Or they’re simply doing better than expected revenue wise and so there hasn’t been a sense of urgency for them.

Speaker 8: (37:51)
And so my questions are, does it concern the White House that some places haven’t gotten their money out quicker? And, does the White House have a message to governors and mayors that don’t have any plans yet to spend their funds? And finally, does that signal, the situation I’ve described of some folks not spending their money quickly, does that signal that the money wasn’t urgently needed?

Jen Psaki: (38:12)
I would say first, ensuring that states and local governments had the funding they needed to keep employees on the job, to keep cops on the beat, to rehire them in many cases was a priority when we were negotiating the American Rescue Plan for a range of elected officials, including mayors and governors across the country, for good reason. It sounds like there’s some different case by case scenarios that have made it more challenging in certain governments and localities. We have a entire team here and at the Treasury Department that works closely with them. It may be most constructive for you to talk directly to them, either Gene Sperling or Jacob Leibenluft about different issues that are happening in different cities or states.

Speaker 8: (38:57)
Do you have confidence that money is being well spent and that they’re going to get it out to address what you identified is a problem for cities and states.

Jen Psaki: (39:06)
Absolutely, and there is of course a range of options that cities and localities have for using the funding. And we wanted to provide that flexibility on purpose because one city or town or state does not fit all… One size doesn’t fit all, I should say, for cities, towns, and localities. That was important, that flexibility. There are still restrictions on how it can be used and how it’s implemented. We obviously also, which is not what you’re asking but I’m just going to reiterate, take waste, fraud and abuse incredibly seriously. The President is Sheriff Joe in his heart and forever, so that’s something we watch. But I would say, it might be constructive for you to talk to them directly about the implementation piece and I’m happy to connect you directly. Go ahead Karen.

Karen: (39:47)
Vaccination rates are actually going up in the five states that have the highest cases rates right now, what does the White House think is driving that and what is being done there that the administration could apply to other hotspots?

Jen Psaki: (39:58)
Karen… and I know this was announced on our COVID briefing, for those of you who were not on it. In the past week, the five states with the highest case rates, Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, Missouri, and Nevada had a significantly higher rate of people getting newly vaccinated compared to the national average, which we obviously see is a good sign. And in the last 10 days, 5 million shots have been administered and millions got their first shots.

Jen Psaki: (40:24)
It’s hard to pinpoint one particular piece. But what I would say is that we’re continuing to work to apply the lessons we’ve learned over the last few months. The biggest issue far and away is access. And that means something different in different communities. In some communities, it is ensuring that people know that they can take time off of work, because of the kind of jobs they’re working. In some communities, it is meeting people where they are, in places of worship, mobile clinics, which is something we’re doing a lot in rural communities, walk up pharmacy appointments, at their workplace or in schools. We are also continuing to fund support, trusted messengers, because we have seen time and time again that it is more effective… And many of you have covered political campaigns, this is not a surprise to most people have covered political campaigns. Trusted messengers are people in communities. They are neighbors. They are civic leaders. They are clergy. They’re not always the President of the United States, sometimes it is. And, they are medical experts. And so we are continuing to support those efforts. We think that all of those have been effective. There’s still more work to be done, but certainly that’s encouraging, those trends that we’ve seen.

Karen: (41:36)
How concerned are you, though, that things had to get worse in these hotspots before they get better. That fear is driving the vaccination rate. How concerning is that to the White House?

Jen Psaki: (41:45)
Well, that is not our preference. That is why we have made vaccines so readily available for months now. That’s why we have employed these tactics for months now, making vaccines readily available, accessible, working with trusted messengers and partners. We also though have seen in some communities where local news stations are covering young people, unfortunately, who are getting sick, some being put on ventilators. I don’t know. I can’t tell you from data what impact that is having, but we are seeing in areas where there are lower vaccination rates, some positive signs over the last week. We’ll see if that continues. Go ahead.

Speaker 10: (42:23)
I have two COVID questions and one voting rights question. I will try to make it fast. On COVID you and Dr. Walensky have used this phrase, “The pandemic of the unvaccinated.” And I am wondering if any part of that, is the administration distancing itself from responsibility for the pandemic? Because you’ve been trying to get people vaccinated or if it’s a scare tactic?

Jen Psaki: (42:50)
I would say first, the data speaks for itself. Which, 99.5% of people who are in hospitals because of COVID are unvaccinated. What it is our responsibility to do is provide accurate public health information to the public. It is also our responsibility to stay at it and continue to communicate, to fund programs, to support trusted messengers, to get out into local communities, to use what we see as creative partnerships to meet people where they are.

Jen Psaki: (43:21)
We haven’t stopped that, we haven’t halted it, we haven’t even slowed it down. But certainly from the public health experts, etc., and I repeated what Dr. Walensky said because she is of course a doctor and I am not. It is important for people to understand that the vaccine is safe, it will protect them and it is as simple as that in some times.

Speaker 10: (43:40)
On Olivia Rodrigo, was this sort of a one-off thing? I know that you had worked with other celebrities before and you announced the NASCAR thing, but is there more work with young celebrities or country stars or anything else that’s coming, or was that more of part of the month of action that’s behind us?

Jen Psaki: (43:57)
Wouldn’t it be great if this was the cue for like Blake Shelton and Gwen Stefani to come out from… That would be awesome. I wish that was happening today. It is part of an ongoing effort. And we want to partner with trusted voices and individuals in communities, many of whom you will never have heard of and they may have five Twitter followers if they’re on Twitter, which they probably are not if they’re not on the coast and not liberal.

Jen Psaki: (44:20)
But, we’ll also work with celebrities and we will also work with individuals like Olivia Rodrigo. I know I said this the other day, but obviously she’s a very well-known pop star. She’s 18 years old. She doesn’t have to use her time to do this. She is speaking to a broad swath of an audience that I bet you is not watching the White House briefing and is probably not watching the President of the United States. And we recognize that we need to meet people where they are, including as we use partnerships and engage with media as well. Go ahead.

Speaker 10: (44:53)
I’m very sorry to have one more, but on voting rights, the President on Tuesday called on Congress to task, federal voting legislation, he spoke about the urgency of it. The question is, what comes next? Is he going to travel around the country and make this case? Is he going to go up to the hill and have meetings specifically about voting rights? I know that he’s talked about the activists need to build the grassroots, but some activists are sort of pushing back on that idea saying like, “We can’t always be the ones that are asked to do the work.”

Jen Psaki: (45:23)
He’s not saying to do it alone, he’s saying, “I will be with you.” But he’s also saying that grassroots activism is what is going to move and change the country for the better. That’s always been the case throughout history. In terms of what he will say and do, I don’t have any scheduling announcements for you at this point in time. But he has said this would be a cause of his presidency. That means he will use his time, use his platform to make sure he’s speaking about elevating it, engaging in it. And as you know, the Vice President, this will be a top priority for her. She will be front and center for the administration on this issue moving forward. Go ahead.

Speaker 11: (46:00)
Just given the Wednesday timeline that Senator Schumer has laid out. What will the President be doing over the weekend to help things move along? Will be be making calls all weekend? And then what should his response as well to Republicans who are concerned that tougher enforcement in the IRS won’t be enough to generate enough revenue?

Jen Psaki: (46:18)
Well, first I would say the President has proposed a number of ways to pay for these proposals that have been out there in the public and has been a part of these ongoing discussions, which are continuing. And those proposals, he has a number of proposals out there, that will more than cover the cost of this infrastructure agreement that do not violate what the Republicans have said is there a red line in this case, which is the 2017 tax cuts. Regardless of his point of view on that, we’ll take that on and the Build Back Better reconciliation package.

Jen Psaki: (46:51)
In terms of what he will be doing, the President is ready, willing, able, looking forward to playing any constructive role he can play in getting these pieces of legislation across the finish line. Will that mean phone calls? Sure. Will it mean bringing more people to the White House? It probably will. But I don’t have anything to kind of lay out for you here.

Speaker 11: (47:09)
And separately, has the intelligence community attributed the Kaseya ransomware attack to the Russian government and has it been concluded that the RNC was indeed hacked?

Jen Psaki: (47:18)
Well, first I would say the RNC put out a statement when that news came out saying it was a third party that had their information accessed, not the RNC, a vendor of the RNCs. I’m not aware of the information they’re changing. I would point you to them on that. The FBI is of course doing an investigation and in touch with them. I don’t think they’ve put out any new information since then.

Jen Psaki: (47:39)
In terms of the Kaseya attack, we have pointed to the fact that REvil, many cyber experts have attributed, have assessed their engagement here. We have not attributed the Russian government’s involvement in this case, it’s an ongoing review, but we don’t have any new information on that front. Go ahead.

Jen Psaki: (48:03)
But we don’t have any new information on that front. Go ahead.

Speaker 12: (48:04)
Jen, I’m curious if the uptake in the Delta variant is playing any part in where the President is leaning in terms of extending that federal mask policy in public transportation, I know it’s set to expire in September. Is he leaning towards extending that even more? We’re seeing some health officials say that they want to extend it even now.

Jen Psaki: (48:22)
Well, he’s going to lean into the advice of his health and medical experts and teams on any steps that need to be taken to keep the American people safe. Given we’re talking about September. I know that feels like a short period of time away. It is actually some time away, but he’ll continue to receive updates from them on a range of issues as it relates to COVID, I’m sure they’ll discuss this and their views.

Speaker 12: (48:45)
And on that same note, he said yesterday that he’s wanting to take into consideration some factors before he talks about what will happen with the European travel ban. Is that going to play a part into that with the Delta variant coming up?

Jen Psaki: (48:59)
Well, as it relates to the travel ban, we certainly know we’ve made important progress in the pandemic. We’ll continue to put public health first. All decisions about reopening international travel will be guided by our public health and medical experts. There are ongoing working groups that are having these discussions to keep open lines of communication. He will be receiving an update soon, I believe. If not today, then in the coming days on where things stand, but we must be vigilant particularly about the spread of variants. We’ll reopen when health and medical experts expect it is safe to do so. Go ahead.

Speaker 13: (49:37)
Does the President plan to reappoint the [inaudible 00:49:41] into another term?

Jen Psaki: (49:42)
I have no announcements or pronouncements on the federal reserve chair or any other personnel to convey to you today.

Speaker 13: (49:47)
Is there a timeline for that decision?

Jen Psaki: (49:49)
I don’t have a timeline to project. I know that there’s a timeline for when his services will need to be reviewed or determined.

Speaker 14: (49:58)
Can I just do a quick followup on that?

Jen Psaki: (49:58)
Go ahead. Let me just get around. Let me just get around. Go ahead.

Speaker 15: (50:03)
I have a question about the [inaudible 00:50:03], I may, [inaudible 00:50:05] opposition leaders [inaudible 00:50:07] Washington next week, and she said she would meet higher ranking officials. I was wondering whether you have details about that.

Jen Psaki: (50:15)
I don’t with me. Let us get it to you after the briefing. Members of the National Security Team or the State Department or was she more specific or just people from the U.S. Government?

Speaker 15: (50:23)
She just said high ranking officials.

Jen Psaki: (50:25)
Okay. Let us get you more information after the briefing. Reese, who’s our special guest from, tell us where you’re from. Have you been here before?

Reese: (50:33)
I’ve never been here before.

Jen Psaki: (50:34)

Speaker 12: (50:35)

Speaker 16: (50:36)
Dun, dun, dun.

Jen Psaki: (50:36)

Speaker 16: (50:38)
Welcome to the soup, brother.

Reese: (50:42)
Thank you. So my question is really just about, we touched on vaccination rates in rural counties, especially in Oklahoma, we’re seeing a significant rise in COVID cases. Is there any specific plans that the administration has to help increase vaccination rates in these rural counties that really people don’t have any intentions of even getting the vaccine?

Jen Psaki: (51:02)
Well, we’ve talked about this a little bit, but what we’re doing in rural communities is employing a number of the tactics that we’ve seen work around the country. So we know access is a huge issue in rural communities because people may not live near a pharmacy. They may not know still where to get a vaccine. We certainly understand that. So part of what we’re trying to do is deploy and make sure we’re expediting our deployment of mobile vaccine units to rural communities to bring the vaccine to people where they are and where they live to make it as easy as possible. And so, this work is going to continue a person to person, community to community.

Jen Psaki: (51:40)
We’re also working with a range of trusted partners locally people may not have heard of, those are also very important trusted voices, but also groups like the National Rural Health Association to make sure that we’re deploying effective tactics that they think will work to get vaccines out to communities and meet people where they are. We’ve talked about it a little bit here. And obviously these States have a combination of rural and city communities, but there are States like Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri where there are large rural communities where we have seen an uptick, in terms of getting vaccinated higher than the national average. That’s a positive sign. We’ll look at that and apply those tactics other places, in Oklahoma to make sure we’re continuing to go community by community and meet people where they are. Go ahead.

Speaker 17: (52:26)
Following up on that. I know the administration said they’re not interested in any federal mandate. Do you encourage though employers to require the vaccine for their employees, or State and local, I know there’s a little bit of discussion about local governments is the white house encouraging others to require the vaccine of their employees or their residents?

Jen Psaki: (52:45)
We know that some employers, hospitals, health systems, colleges, universities, local leaders, have chosen to take this step and we expect others to do so as well. But our role we’re playing from here is continuing to go community by community person to person, making sure we are meeting people where they are to get the vaccine out. We believe that local communities, entities, organizations are going to make decisions about what they need to do to keep their community safe.

Speaker 13: (53:17)
And what about for federal workers or members of the military?

Jen Psaki: (53:21)
I don’t have anything new to report on that. Go ahead.

Speaker 18: (53:24)
Question. The justice department inspector general’s report on the FBI handling the Nassar case, that’s the latest embarrassment in a string of embarrassments for the FBI this summer. Does the President have complete confidence in Christopher Ray, and what is the administration’s message to people who see this bumbling and want to know if the FBI is up to task with ransomware, domestic terrorism, and other threats?

Jen Psaki: (53:47)
Well, first I would point you all to the expansive statement that was put out by the FBI in response to the inspector general’s report. Second, yes, he has confidence in Christopher Ray. Third, as it relates to ransomware, this is an across government inter-agency effort, one that we have not seen done in the past. I gave a little bit of an update and a readout of it yesterday, where we’re tapping into all of the resources and expertise across the federal government. The FBI has been a key partner in that as have number of entities in our national security team who can play a role in fighting against ransomware. Go ahead. I’m sorry, [inaudible 00:54:25].

Speaker 19: (54:24)
Okay, thanks. Oh.

Jen Psaki: (54:28)
Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry.

Speaker 19: (54:29)
Okay. So, you haven’t talked about APEC. This was a conversation that the President had this morning.

Jen Psaki: (54:34)
No one’s asked about it, now is the moment.

Speaker 19: (54:36)
And so there seemed to be a convergence between President Biden, President Xi, and also President Putin in terms of making and sharing and distributing vaccines. My question is the mechanism of it. We know that APEC supports the waiver as does a President Biden. Was there pressure from APEC member countries to have the U.S. put more diplomatic pressures on WTO countries to pass the patent waivers?

Jen Psaki: (55:01)
First, I would say that the President’s view continues to be exactly as you laid it out there. This is a ongoing process and ambassador Tai is our lead representative in these discussions and negotiations, the APEC summit for any of you who watched hearts of it was virtual and was individuals delivering sets of remarks. It wasn’t an interactive opportunity, I would say. And President Xi actually delivered prerecorded remarks, so he wasn’t even there participating in-person.

Speaker 19: (55:29)
And just to followup on the [crosstalk 00:55:30].

Jen Psaki: (55:30)
Or on virtually live, I should say. Yes?

Speaker 19: (55:33)
Following up on the health misinformation. Do you consider claims by some in the conservative circle that ivermectin, am I pronouncing that right? As a promising treatment for COVID as misinformation? I know that the FDA has weighed in on this, I believe in March, but I just wanted the administration’s latest position on the ground.

Jen Psaki: (55:50)
Information that’s inaccurate we consider misinformation. So I don’t think it’s more complicated than that. Go ahead. Let Ebony go. Do we what?

Brian: (56:05)
[inaudible 00:56:05]?

Jen Psaki: (56:05)
We were supposed to gather at two.

Brian: (56:07)
Yeah, we were supposed to gather. I’m just making sure.

Jen Psaki: (56:09)
Oh, okay. Brian, thank you. You get an internship or something. I don’t know. We only four more minutes left, so we’ll get to as many as we can. Go ahead Ebony.

Ebony: (56:20)
[crosstalk 00:56:20] vice president today, most of which have basically said that they want the President to really talk about the filibuster or reforming the filibuster. And so, with each of the meetings that they’re having, I’m still coming out wondering what is the hope that’s going to happen? Because just about every single woman that is in that room has spoken about it. That’s my first question is even though you also said that there isn’t a plan right now for the President to go to Arizona or to go to other States, why isn’t there right now that plan? Because they have come out and said that the administration has put a lot on them, but they’re waiting to see something back.

Jen Psaki: (56:59)
Well, I’ve laid out for you what we know about our schedule, which is through next Wednesday. So it doesn’t mean that he’s not going to go out in the country and talk about a range of important priorities in the future, and I don’t want you to take it that way. That was not what I was implying. But we have about four days out here in terms of our scheduling that I can provide to all of you. As it relates to the women who are in this room, let’s see, maybe they’ll go to the stakeout and they’ll talk about their meeting and their engagement, and the message that the President is sending, the vice president is sending is that we’re absolutely committed to getting the For The People Act signed into law, that we’re committed to advocating for, to elevating voting rights. It’s an important issue for people across this country, and I think our actions clearly exemplify that. Go ahead.

Speaker 20: (57:42)
[crosstalk 00:57:42] clarifying question on how you identify this misinformation. I’m wondering if you could tell us specifically how the administration identifies what is misinformation and then how you flag it to Facebook, that’s one. Two is how many times has the administration flagged this information? And then, three, how long has this been going? And then finally, I know that you are deadly serious about this conversation. You talked about how this is life and death, but are there any types of safeguards that the administration is putting in place to make certain that they do not [inaudible 00:58:17] free speech while they are going after this disinformation?

Jen Psaki: (58:20)
First of all, to be crystal clear, any decision about platform usage and who should be on the platform is orchestrated and determined by private sector companies. Facebook is one of them, right? And there are a range of media who also have their own criteria and rules in place, and they implement them, and that’s their decision to do. That is not the federal government doing that. It is life and death. It is a public health issue in the country. That’s why the surgeon general was here talking about it yesterday. There are trends, we can see and you can all probably see on Facebook and other social media platforms.

Jen Psaki: (59:01)
And so, what we raised are issues like there is a lot of information out there about the false claim that COVID-19 causes infertility. Everyone in this room knows that’s factually inaccurate. We raised for them in our direct channels of which every administration has always had with every social media platform that we are seeing this trend, it’s troubling. That information is inaccurate.

Speaker 20: (59:29)
But specifically, you’re saying these are general areas of misinformation they should take a look at, not specific posts?

Jen Psaki: (59:33)
Yes, it is also publicly available who the individuals are, who have spread most of the information. It wasn’t publicly available by the United States government, it’s publicly available information, so that’s how works. Okay. Thank you everyone. I’ve got to wrap it up. I’m sorry. Okay, Brian, go ahead. Last one.

Brian: (59:51)
I’ll make it quick.

Jen Psaki: (59:52)
Very quick.

Brian: (59:53)
On Afghanistan, though we’re not engaged …

Jen Psaki: (59:56)
Brian, why don’t you come back here?

Brian: (59:57)
Wait a minute, wait a minute, I really want [inaudible 00:59:59] on record.

Jen Psaki: (01:00:01)
They’ve got to gather.

Brian: (01:00:01)
I’ve got to get to the gather too.

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