May 14, 2020
New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy Coronavirus Briefing Transcript May 14: NJ Beaches to Open by Memorial Day
New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy held a coronavirus press conference today, May 14. Murphy said the Jersey Shore & NJ beaches will be open in time for Memorial Day. Read the full transcript of his speech here.
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Governor Phil Murphy: (00:31)
Good afternoon. I’m honored to be joined by the woman on my right who needs no introduction, the Commissioner of the Department of Health, Judy Persichilli. In the audience today, but importantly with us, another person who needs no introduction, our state’s epidemiologist, Dr. Christina Tan. To my far left, another guy who needs no introduction, the Superintendent of State Police, Colonel Pat Callahan. And we are also joined today by two special guests, immediate immediately to my left, the Commissioner of Labor and Workforce Development, Rob Asaro-Angelo is back with us.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:03)
Great to have you, Rob. And to my far right, a very good friend, Cape May County Freeholder Vice Director, and the mayor of Sea Isle City, one of new Jersey’s great communities, Len Desiderio. Len, great to have you, man. I’ve asked Rob to give us an update on the work of his department to ensure every New Jerseyan and who is filed for unemployment gets a swift determination of their claim. And the freeholder is here because today we have some good news for our shore and lake communities. I also want to give a shout out to the director of the Office of Homeland Security and Preparedness, Jared Maples is here.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:40)
Head of Intergovernmental Affairs, Mike DeLamater is with us. He will be answering questions I suspect for the next 10 days or at least eight on what this means for beaches. Mike, thank you for your help. And Chief Counsel Matt Platkin will join us shortly. Len, it’s hard to believe you and I were together for a 5K on February 16th in Sea Isle City, and it feels like 5,000 years ago at this point. It’s unbelievable. Throughout this emergency, the freeholder, not just with me but with Mike and our teams, have had numerous exchanges about the big step we’re taking today on our road back.
Governor Phil Murphy: (02:15)
And that is ensuring that the Jersey Shore can be open to families across our state and region. And we could do it in a way that is consistent with protecting the public health of every beach goer. The Jersey Shore, after all, is where memories are made. The last thing any of us wanted was for a summertime down the shore to be a memory. Today, I am proud to announce that yes, our shore and our lake sides and our lake shores rather, will be open. And as with all of our decisions, we followed our core principles. The data determines dates and public health creates economic health.
Governor Phil Murphy: (02:55)
Just as importantly, the steps we are taking today are also coordinated with our neighbors in Delaware, New York and Connecticut. This is an approach that is absolutely essential to our futures, both as individual states and as a region. And here in New Jersey, we have also engaged in direct discussions with leaders up and down the shore at all levels of government, folks and friends like Len who know knows the issues of our shore communities and economies better than anyone else. I mentioned the other day that we had a great conversation with both the four short counties and a number of the municipalities and mayors just a couple of days ago earlier this week.
Governor Phil Murphy: (03:35)
I also want to give a shout out to some other folks, Senator Vin Gopal, who represents so many of our great Monmouth County beach towns. His advice and counsel and advocacy for our shore towns was similarly invaluable. I also give a shout out to another friend, Monmouth County Freeholder Director Tom Arnone. I also just by example again Monmouth’s my county, so I’ll brag, Mark Walsifer and his team in Belmar put forward in particular, a really smart beach plan. And I want to thank all of the other local and county officials from up and down our coastal communities.
Governor Phil Murphy: (04:11)
This was truly a collaborative process. Again, not just Monmouth and Ocean and Atlantic, but obviously Cape May represented by Len today. We want everyone to have fun, but we need everyone to be safe. To accomplish both, we will be requiring restrictions on how many beach goers may be allowed on any beach or lakefront. And the social distancing we’ve been practicing in our hometowns will be extended to our beaches. And to be clear, no one will be discriminated against. No community could turn a public beach into a defacto private one.
Governor Phil Murphy: (04:45)
All visitors must have the ability to enjoy our state’s greatest natural resource. Every beach will be required to establish capacity limitations, but we will leave it to local leaders to determine the method that would be best for their community. This can be done through methods, including limiting the numbers of available beach tags for any given day or through utilizing technology such as with a geographic spatial analysis. Social distancing measures requiring at least six foot distances between beach goers will be enforced except for family groups, household members, caretakers, or couples.
Governor Phil Murphy: (05:27)
This is the same approach we have taken with parks. And again, we will leave it to local officials to determine how best to implement these measures. Each of our shore and lake communities have unique characteristics, and we know there is no one size fits all approach. However, some restrictions do fit across the board. Organized games and contact sports will be prohibited as will beach recreational, summer camps and special events that draw people to the beach such as concerts, festivals or fireworks.
Governor Phil Murphy: (06:02)
Sanitation will also be of great importance, especially since this order will allow for shower, pavilions, changing areas and restrooms to remain open for visitors, and they must be regularly and properly cleaned. And with this order, I am also directing the reopening of restroom facilities at our parks so long as they undergo frequent and proper cleaning as well, Commissioner of Department of Environmental Protection Catherine McCabe, Matt Platkin would want me to remind everybody that it will take a while for us to roll through with the proper seasonal staffing to get all those restrooms up and running and open and properly sanitized.
Governor Phil Murphy: (06:44)
So at the parks, please bear with us. That will begin, I think, as early as Saturday, but it’s going to take some time. On our boardwalks, restaurants may continue to operate for takeout and delivery only, but the rides, arcades, games and other draws must remain closed. Other features that are meant to draw a crowd, a waterfront fountain, a playground or visitor interpretive center must similarly remain closed for the time being. This is not a life sentence here. We can have a dramatically different reality a month from today. And I promise you, we’re going to monitor this for both sides, by the way.
Governor Phil Murphy: (07:25)
We’ve got to comply folks. You’ve been extraordinary. We’ve got to continue to comply now at the beach and assuming we do, and assuming the curves keep getting better and assuming Judy and her team feel comfortable, we will be able to take more steps. And I promise you, we will not hold those steps back one minute too long, nor will we jump the gun, I hope, not one minute too soon. Our beach and lakefront communities and counties will also engage in comprehensive public outreach campaigns using both traditional and online media and yes, even the ubiquitous planes carrying banners to ensure that all visitors are aware of the restrictions in place, as well as what is expected of them while visiting.
Governor Phil Murphy: (08:09)
And while we are not specifically ordering it, we highly recommend that you wear a face covering, particularly when social distancing is difficult to maintain such as waiting in line for a slice of boardwalk pizza. As I’ve said many times throughout this emergency, that I wanted to find a way to allow our beaches to be open for the summer. I applaud Len for raising his hand in partnership for bringing together a broad coalition of Cape May shore towns and for working with us so we could reach this day. I can’t say enough good things about the level of cooperation, Len, to you and your colleagues in Cape May and frankly right up the coast in Atlantic, Ocean and Monmouth.
Governor Phil Murphy: (08:51)
But you’re here today for a reason. It starts with you and thank you. We living through unprecedented times, but we have confidence that residents and out of state visitors alike can take in a day at the beach safely so long as the measures we are announcing today and which are outlined in further detail in the order itself are followed. And by the way, I should say this, it does not say in my remarks, this is all, Mike, effective Friday, May 22nd. So folks we’re giving the shore communities and counties an eight day runway to take these general guidance points and make them work for their communities.
Governor Phil Murphy: (09:32)
Again, public health determines economic health. Our shore economy is a tremendous driver of local jobs and revenues. Because of the work of millions of New Jerseyans, of you all out there to slow the spread and flatten and lower the curves, we can confidently take this step today. And by the way, data determines dates. Memorial Day weekend is still more than a week away, but the data tells us we can make this announcement now. After months at home, I know many families probably measured in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, cannot wait for a day either down the shore or alongside one of our lakes.
Governor Phil Murphy: (10:14)
And I am proud now to be able to give them that day, a day they worked so hard to make possible. Again, I want to thank the freeholder for traveling all the way from Cape May to be with us. And I thank him for his advocacy for our shore communities and his insight, which has been invaluable in crafting a plan that will ensure that families will continue to create their shore memories. We’ll hear from Len in a few minutes. So this Memorial Day, New Jerseyans can still have the words that ring and our ears thanks to Messer, Springsteen and weights because down the shore everything’s all right.
Governor Phil Murphy: (10:52)
And even in these challenging times, that is exactly as it should be. By the way, we are aggressively reviewing pool protocols, as well as charter fishing, which are not part of this executive order, but we would expect to have some guidance in the next number of days on each of those fronts. And with that, let’s turn to the overnight numbers. Yesterday, we received an additional 1,216 positive test results for a current statewide total of 142,704. The daily positivity or spot positivity rates from May 10th, which is when the specimens were last collected, Judy, was 22%.
Governor Phil Murphy: (11:33)
Here’s how this is reflected across regions of the state. As you could see, they’re converged. The map that we’ve regularly been turning to keeps showing slower rates of spread across the state. And by the way, Len, not just because you’re here, but a big uptick, which is a good thing in Cape May County on this map. In our hospitals, the number of patients currently being treated for COVID-19 is now dropped below 4,000 and stands at 3,958. This is a great milestone to reach, but let’s remember this means we still have more than 3,900 of our fellow residents in our hospitals.
Governor Phil Murphy: (12:08)
Our field medical stations, again, reported 35 patients. This is a breakdown of hospitalizations across region, and here are total hospitalizations for every 100,000 residents, again, across regions to give a more balanced picture. Looking at our longterm care facilities, here are the numbers of positive cases, over 27, 000, and fatalities connected to these facilities, 5,168 blessed soul. We continue to throw everything we’ve got to work to mitigate these numbers. And in our longterm care facilities, by the way, we can today announce that the federal, this is not the national guard, this is the federal US Veterans Administration is providing five 25 person healthcare strike teams who will join the staffs at some of our facilities until June 30th.
Governor Phil Murphy: (13:01)
This is a big deal for us. I want to thank Secretary Wilkie and the whole VA team. They’re expected to be in state by literally I think tomorrow or Saturday. The number of patients reported in either critical or intensive care fell again to 1,157. Ventilator use continues to decline, 898. There were 171 new COVID-19 hospitalizations yesterday and the number of live discharges was 366. And here are the numbers from yesterday, by the way, broken down by region. Always nice to have bigger numbers on the right than the left and that was the case, even though just by a hair, in all regions, just by a hair in the south.
Governor Phil Murphy: (13:44)
Again, I cannot stress this enough. These trends are your doing. You’re the ones who have pushed these numbers and these lines downward through social distancing. And as we begin our long road back, we will need to keep it up to keep seeing these lines move downward. And that will give us even more confidence in the steps to come. Let’s look at these numbers in a different light. This is a subset of a chart we’ve shown you for the past couple of days. Since the peak, all of the metrics we’ve needed to see in terms of hospitalizations have happened.
Governor Phil Murphy: (14:17)
New hospitalizations are down nearly 2/3 from peak and down by more than a third in just the past couple of weeks. This is a strong number that relates directly to the slowing spread of COVID-19. Overall, hospitalizations are down by roughly half since the peak and more than 1/3 over the past couple of weeks. Patients in our ICUs and on ventilators have both dropped significantly since the peak and over the past couple of weeks. Here’s how the overall numbers we report daily compare day to day. In every category, there are a lot of green lights.
Governor Phil Murphy: (14:52)
So let’s sit on this stand for a second. So the left side of this chart shows you what I just showed you, but the right chart are balls for each day. A red ball as a spike up a green ball is a reduction. And you can see how the overall numbers we report compare day to day. Here, we could see each of these metrics. Let’s flip this, if you can, by region within that all important 14 day window we’ve talked about. Again, a lot of green lights. There have been one day increases here and there. But as I’ve said before and as Judy has said many times, we can’t get distracted by a one day number.
Governor Phil Murphy: (15:29)
We have to look at the longer term trend. It’s just like the difference between the weather on a given day and, say, climate change. And the overall climate is now hospitable for us and sufficiently hospitable for us to be taking the steps we’ve been announcing these past couple of days to begin to restart our economy in summer at the shore. Let’s hold on this again for a second. Judy, you’ve said this from the get-go. You’ve got new hospitalizations, patients in total in the hospital, ICU patients, patients on ventilators, you see a pretty equal split regionally on new hospitalizations.
Governor Phil Murphy: (16:10)
There’s no other way to put that in terms of the upward spike days, and that’s something we’ve got to watch, otherwise it’s largely in the south and that’s exactly as you had predicted that this was going to go from north, central to south. And so you see more red balls on that bottom south line in both patients in the hospital, patients in ICU, patients on ventilators. It’s almost an absence with one day’s exception of spikes in either the northern or central region. We’re watching very closely, not just the migration, which we had predicted, but that upper left chart where you’ve got new hospitalizations to make sure that all the great work.
Governor Phil Murphy: (16:50)
I’ll pick a county like Bergen or Essex or Hudson, which had been particularly slammed. And they had driven this so far toward the ground that we’re not seeing any flare ups on the backside. Again, social distancing has worked. It is still working and will continue to work in the weeks to come as we take further steps. But of course, let’s not get too ahead of ourselves. We are not out of the woods yet. And this next slide is one we’ve been showing the past couple of days shows the current impact of COVID-19 across our region and in comparison with other states in America.
Governor Phil Murphy: (17:27)
Again, we can make the case that at this moment in time, we are the most impacted state in the nation. And this is why we need to keep up the social distancing even as we begin to restart and recovery. Again, this has shifted. We’re we’re doing this. This is as of, I believe, two days ago, yesterday? Dan, is this the 13th?
Governor Phil Murphy: (17:47)
As of yesterday. So you’ve seen we have slipped a little bit in new cases per 100,000. That’s a good thing when you slip on this chart. So Connecticut is now just out ahead of us. Patients in the hospital per 100,000, we’re still number one in the country. And sadly new deaths per 100,000, we are still number one in the country. So not only is this chart remind us why we have to keep up our social distancing, but the past couple of charts, I hope, gives you some sense of the needle that we have to thread here. Enormous progress on the one hand, and that’s unmistakable with some flare ups that we got to make sure that we’re keeping a very close eye on.
Governor Phil Murphy: (18:31)
And on the other hand, we are as impacted a state still, as we sit here today, as any American state and clearly the tragedy within the tragedy of the longterm care facilities and the notion that this can spread intergenerationally. It could spread from healthy to non-healthy folks with comorbidity. So let’s keep at it, everybody. Let’s see good things at our construction sites and in our downtown starting on Monday and let’s make Memorial Day weekend not only fun but safe. You’ve been extraordinary. Let’s keep it up as we take these incremental steps.
Governor Phil Murphy: (19:09)
So this good news aside in terms of the steps we’re taking, there remain countless families who have been dealt the worst news of all, that they have lost a loved one to COVID-19. And today we report that another 244 precious members of our New Jersey family have lost their lives from COVID-19 complications. Our statewide total stands now at a staggering 9,946. In all likelihood, I would like to think otherwise, we will pass another solemn milestone tomorrow. As we do every day, let’s remember a few of the incredible lives we’ve lost.
Governor Phil Murphy: (19:51)
Let’s start by remembering a guy I heard a lot about yesterday, Scott Geiger. He was one of our frontline public health heroes, a career EMT. Scott was only 47 when he passed and he had been an EMT for 30 years, meaning he became an EMT when he was 17. And for the past 17 of those years, he spent them with Atlantic Mobile Health. His brother, Ben, with whom I had the great honor of speaking yesterday, said, Scott simply live to help people in their most desperate moments. And he made a point of saying, Scott never call what he did a job.
Governor Phil Murphy: (20:28)
He always referred to his EMT activities as his duty. Scott’s second love was the New York Jets even if they did not always love him back. But he knew perseverance and you have to be that way if you’re a Jets fan. After all, Scott defeated cancer seven, bless you, seven years ago. He was a great friend to many, the first to step forward to help or to get a colleague a cup of coffee or breakfast when they were busy, but he loved his family the most of all. To Scott’s mother, Joyce, and she’s had her challenges, his father, Sandy, his brother, Ben, with whom I spoke, his loving aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, and nephew, his God daughter, Lauren.
Governor Phil Murphy: (21:12)
We send you all our deepest condolences and you are in our thoughts and prayers today. And Scott, my buddy, we thank you for your service to the people of New Jersey and for always doing your duty. Next up, this is Judith Ann Ferrara-Coppola. Judy was born in Newark and lived in Union. You won’t be surprised when I say this, given that photo, in her youth, Judy was a model, but her real passion was her family. They recall that Judy was at her happiest when everyone was gathered around the table. But outside, she took equal pleasure and spending time on the beach at Spring Lake with her children or going on a road trip with her sister, Terry.
Governor Phil Murphy: (21:58)
I had a long conversation with her sister, Terry, her big sister, Terry, by the way, who essentially had acted, not just as her big sister, but her as her second mom. Among other things, they were both hairdressers and I’ve never met Terry face-to-face, but I can tell you based on my conversation, she would fit comfortably into the category of a pistol. She was something and so was her sister, Judy. Judy enjoyed the game of bingo and also enjoyed watching, in this case, her New York Giants play football. I’ll incorporate the prior comments by reference.
Governor Phil Murphy: (22:29)
She was 69-years-old. Judy leaves behind her two sons, Michael Jr. and Vincent, along with their wives and two grandchildren. She also leaves her beloved sister, Terry, as I mentioned, her second mom and her family, including her nieces and nephews. We keep them all in our prayers and thoughts today. God bless you, Judy. And finally we remember Marie Specchio. She was born and raised in Newark. She lived for many years in West Orange and moved to Toms River 23 years ago. Her family remembers her as “the traditional Italian mother who loved her family and ruled with a wooden spoon.”
Governor Phil Murphy: (23:14)
And does that picture say that in spades, huh? God bless her. She loved to bake and to ensure that her family always sat down to a good meal, especially at Christmas. Marie devoted herself to St. Gerard, the patron Saint of Mothers, and was a member of the St. Gerard Ladies Guild. She also was a breast cancer survivor, bless her, and now she is reunited with her beloved late husband, Michael. She leaves her daughters, Susan and Michelle. And I will tell you having spoken with both of them yesterday, they remain, and who could blame them, devastated by their mom’s lost.
Governor Phil Murphy: (23:51)
She also leaves behind Michelle’s husband, Fredrick, and their two kids, Marie’s grandchildren, Brittany and Nicholas. She also leads a sister, Ann, many nieces and nephews, and she also leaves behind her furry friends, especially her best friend, Zoe Rose. May God bless you, Marie, may God bless your family at this extraordinarily difficult time. Three more members of our New Jersey family who COVID-19 has taken. Let’s never forget them. And by the way, unrelated to COVID-19, and I have to say that explicitly, but we lost a giant overnight, Jeremiah Jerry O’Connor, former Saddle Brook mayor, freeholder director in Bergen County, state senator, a giant.
Governor Phil Murphy: (24:39)
We lost Jerry overnight. I spoke with his wife, Terry, who herself is a giant and their son, Kevin, who is a very dear friend of mine. So I want to give a shout out to the O’Connor family and to say that Jerry and his memory are in our prayers. Switching gears, I’m going to leave the report from the Department of Labor and Workforce Development to the commissioner, but I do want to give-
Phil Murphy: (25:03)
… well, the Department of Labor and Workforce Development to the commissioner, but I do want to give Rob and his entire team a huge shout out. As Rob will report, the department is clearing 140,000 residents claims off the backlog this week. And I know they’re going to keep at it until they deliver for every eligible resident. If you’re frustrated out there, Rob doesn’t blame you. I don’t blame you, but know that an enormous amount of progress has been and continues to be made and that you will get every single penny that’s coming to you, including the federal piece. So Rob, thank you to you and your team. I also want to note, and I want to give Pat a shout out here that the Office of Emergency Management has passed another milestone in their efforts to ensure that our frontline healthcare workers and first responders have the personal protective equipment or PPE that they need to do their jobs.
Phil Murphy: (25:52)
The Office of Emergency Management, affectionately called OEM, has now passed out more than 42.6 million pieces of PPE that has been distributed. Two and a half months ago, that was not a line of business in either the OEM or the state of New Jersey. We’re now well over 42 million pieces out. So Pat to you and the team back at the rock and in the warehouse, congratulations and job well done. Now with the news that there will be summer at the Jersey Shore and at our lakes, let’s close on an equally inspirational and upbeat note. Let’s start in North Arlington with George Zakhary. That’s a tee shirt George has got on, huh? George lost his father at Dell on 9/11, and his sister is a healthcare worker. He’s been running the Breakfast for our Heroes Campaign to provide breakfast for healthcare workers across the state.
Phil Murphy: (26:49)
He’s already hit 24 hospitals and is now focused on serving those at Clara Mass Medical Center in Belleville and Saint Barnabas Medical Center in Livingston. And just as importantly, he’s been leaning on local coffee shops to provide the goods. So we supporting our small businesses in the process. So to you, George, keep it up one breakfast sandwich and cup of coffee at a time. I know our frontline heroes thank you, and we do too.
Phil Murphy: (27:19)
And lastly, this is a big one. How is this for an inspiration? Let’s bring up Allendale’s, Sylvia Goldscholl. Sylvia is 108 years old. She was seven years old during the 1918 flu pandemic and she survived it. Last month, Sylvia tested positive for COVID-19. And now we can say she has beaten that. A tremendous life, a tremendous spirit, a tremendous show of strength, a tremendous role model for all of the rest of us. So to you, Sylvia, we send you all of our best for the many, many more years to come. How about perhaps another 108? And I think that’s as good a place as any for us to end my remarks today. With that, I’d like to introduce again, a friend, the Vice Director of the Cape May County Board of Chosen Freeholders, the mayor of the precious Sea Isle City. Please help me welcome Len Desiderio. Len, thank you for being here,
Leonard Desiderio: (28:26)
Governor, thank you. And it is my honor to be here and happy birthday to Sylvia, 108 years old. And I too wish her another 108 plus years. Governor, I have to start off and just thank you, thank you, thank you for your strong leadership during this entire time. Your staff and you have been absolutely fabulous. And as I’ve said many, many times, this is not a Republican or a Democratic problem. This is a problem that we all need to work together with. We all need to come together and under your leadership Governor, we are moving forward and I do see light at the end of the tunnel. It is fabulous news about the beaches. I can’t tell you how happy we are in Cape May County. And I’m sure across the 127 miles of beaches in New Jersey to be able to open up our beaches.
Leonard Desiderio: (29:25)
I know that in Cape May and in particular in Sea Isle, they are now waving to me with five fingers. So I’m very, very… I’m happy for that, and it’s great. What we are planning to do, and this is with Ocean City, Strathmere and Sea Isle, is to have a dry run this Saturday for capacity management in which we can learn and go to school. This is something we’ve never had to do before. Our job has always been able… Has been to bring as many people as we can to the beach, as many people as we can to our communities. Now we are practicing capacity management. We’re going to have a Memorial Day, it’s going to be a little different. We’re excited about the beaches being open, but the three communities, and I know other communities in Cape May will be joining us, but the three communities are going to be practicing this, this Saturday.
Leonard Desiderio: (30:22)
We’re going to be observing it, and we’re going to learn how to go to school. As you know, the Cape May County Board of Chosen Freeholders put together a task force and it was headed by Freeholder Will Maury and myself, along with business leaders from throughout Cape May County, from all walks of life. And we worked many, many hours to come up with a plan, which promoted safety first, but was allowing us to get our businesses, we feel open. We presented it to you and your staff. And I, once again Governor, I have to tell you, going back and forth with your staff is been a fabulous, fabulous thing for us. Because when we reported to our community, when we reported back to our council, we reported it to fellow freeholders and our citizens, they really do appreciate that the line of communication between us and the governor is the way we’re having it.
Leonard Desiderio: (31:26)
And it’s the way it should be. And I do appreciate that. And as you know, we’ve presented this plan to you and your staff. We’ve had a number of conversations with your staff, your chief of staff, Michael, Alex has been wonderful dealing with the mayors and et cetera. You getting on the phone on Tuesday was wonderful with 24 shore town mayors. And as I said before, this is not a Democrat or a Republican problem. We have all worked together. And by opening up small businesses for curbside shopping, which we’ll start on Monday at 6 o’clock, it has relieved such a burden from these mom and pop shops, these small businesses. When this first started, we have to remember, they were bringing in their stock for the spring. It was March. They were bringing in their spring attire. They were getting ready to open, especially at the shore communities.
Leonard Desiderio: (32:20)
Some of them never even got to be open when we had to close down and they have been closed down for 59, 60 days. This is a shot in an arm to them. This is something we thank you for. This is something we’re going to follow. And what I’ve said to the freeholders, to Cape May County and to my community of Sea Isle City, is that we all need to work together. We walk together, we move together, this is something new. When we have a storm coming and as bad as a storm is, we generally know how to prepare. We know what to do. We know when we have to evacuate. With this, and after the storm, we know that there’s repairs, we knows there’s beach replenishment. We know that shop owners, homeowners have to make repairs to their property. With this, we didn’t know what was coming, how it was coming.
Leonard Desiderio: (33:13)
The governor’s daily briefings that he has done along with these wonderful people up here, has been an inspiration and it has given the elected official and the citizens of Cape May County, something to hope for. And that’s what we have, hope, we have great hope. We’ve been following the governor’s orders to the tee. We will continue to follow the governor’s orders, and we’re moving forward. And great news for the shore, with the beaches open, great news for the show with the small businesses able to do curbside business, and we will continue to move forward and we will watch capacity management and we will move forward together. And I have great hope for us, and I have great hope for us this summer. And thank you Governor, once again for your leadership, we will be working together. I have your cell phone number. So watch out, I’ll be calling you many, many times and thank you for compiling such a great staff that takes care of not only the freeholders, the mayors, but all of the citizens of Cape May County. God bless you all. And thank you.
Phil Murphy: (34:26)
Len, that was incredibly powerful. And I cannot thank you enough for your leadership and your partnership. You’re such a good guy. In fact, you even just promoted Della Mater. But seriously, you’ve been incredible to work with. We knew that before this, by the way, you and I have known each other before this crisis, but we’ve really gotten to know each other during this. And so to you and your team and your fellow freeholders and the mayors in the communities, cannot thank you enough. And again, you put together a really good model in many respects, what we’ve announced today through this executive order is an homage to the model that you put together in Cape May County. So thank you Len for this and for all, I know our team thanks you.
Phil Murphy: (35:14)
Now I don’t know why I feel this way today, but I introduce the woman to my right every day, both at the beginning for her remarks and at the end, and almost inevitably it’s Tina Tan is with her or Ed Lifshitz, and I want to give Christina Tan a shout out as well. But Dave, you asked me, I thought about this yesterday. You asked me, how was this going for me? And I chose to run for office and I chose this position as an elective matter. And when you do that, you go… Wit that goes, not just the thick skin that I referred to yesterday, but you go into that with your eyes open. And so I’m going to be just fine, win, lose, or draw, I know that for sure. But you have no idea folks, what it is like walking in the shoes of Judy Persichilli. Now do we always bat a thousand? God knows we’re going through this for the first time, who could bat a thousand. But no one has done more over the past three months in this state, and I would argue in this country as a health matter, as a leadership matter, she has been absolutely extraordinary with literally the weight of the lives of 9 million people on her shoulders morning, noon, and night. We could not ask for better leadership and I’m incredibly humbled to sit here every day alongside of her and to go to battle with her every single day, morning, noon, and night. Please help me welcome the Commissioner of the Department of Health, Judy Persichilli.
Judy Persichilli: (36:53)
Well, thank you Governor for that very kind introduction. As the governor announced, we’ve requested additional support from the Veteran’s Administration for five of our longterm care facilities. These teams will include clinical staff, nurses, and certified nursing assistants to provide additional staffing, implement infection control recommendations, and help residents with activities of daily living. These individuals are in addition to the over hundred VA personnel supporting our vulnerable residents at the Menlo Park Memorial Veterans Home and the Paramus Veterans Memorial Home. The state now has over 300 National Guard members throughout the entire state from Sussex to Cape May working in longterm care facilities and in our hospitals. We are grateful to the VA and the National Guard services. Any additional support, be it direct care or direct caring and comforting, is appreciated.
Judy Persichilli: (37:59)
As I covered yesterday, we are getting increasing reports of pediatric, multi-system inflammatory syndrome from our healthcare providers. The department is investigating 17 possible reports of this condition. Yesterday, I shared that there were 18 possible. One report did not fit the definition. These are among children ages 2 to 18. There are nine counties, Bergen, Essex, Gloucester, Hudson, Middlesex, Monmouth, Passaic, Union, and Warren. This is a rare condition, but it can be treated. Early recognition is important. So we ask the parents, look out for the symptoms. Your child may seem irritable or sluggish. Your child may have abdominal pain without another explanation or episodes of diarrhea or vomiting. Your child may have a rash, conjunctivitis, enlarged lymph nodes, or red cracked lips, or a red tongue, and perhaps swollen hands and feet. Please call your healthcare provider if your child has any of these symptoms so that your baby can be evaluated and treated. We are concerned about the incidents. We will look at every single report, but at this time we have not established a clear link to COVID-19.
Judy Persichilli: (39:35)
The Department of Health put out a public health update on May 7th to all clinicians to alert them, to be aware of pediatric multi-system inflammatory syndrome potentially associated with COVID-19. The alert noted that we are working closely with the CDC and our neighboring states to investigate reported cases of multi-system inflammatory syndrome that may possibly be associated with COVID-19. Cases characterized by persistent fever and features of Kawasaki disease and or toxic shock syndrome were reported in the United Kingdom and have recently been identified in children in the United States. The governor reviewed the new cases and deaths. In terms of deaths, the breakdown of deaths by race and ethnicity is as follows” white 53. 5, black 18.6, Hispanic 19.1, Asian 5.4, and other 3.4.
Judy Persichilli: (40:40)
There are 525 longterm care facilities in the state reporting COVID-19 cases for over 27,000 cases. At the state’s veteran homes, similar to yesterday with a census of 662, 366 residents have tested positive with a total of 137 deaths of our residents. At our psychiatric hospitals with a census of 1,240, we are reporting an additional death at Ancora for a total of 13 patient deaths at the psychiatric hospitals.
Judy Persichilli: (41:18)
The daily percent positivity for the day, May 10th was in New Jersey overall 22%, north is 20%, central 23%, and South 25%. That concludes the daily statistical report. As we take incremental steps toward reopening, I want to remind everyone to continue to take steps to protect your health. Stay home when you’re sick, clean and disinfect frequently touched surfaces, cover your mouth and nose with a cloth face cover when around others, cover your coughs and sneezes and wash your hands frequently for at least 20 seconds. It is important that we stay vigilant to continue to reduce the spread of this virus in our state. Stay connected, stay safe, and stay healthy. Thank you.
Phil Murphy: (42:15)
Judy, thank you, and thank you for that. We haven’t said it in a couple of days, but the racial inequities are something that you and I and our teams and Lieutenant Governor Sheila Oliver who we want to give a big shout, who’s in Atlantic City by the way today, is something we continue to look very carefully at and I meant every word and then some, so thank you very much to you and Tina. And again, on this Kawasaki piece, you made the point, Tina, on the call earlier, this is treatable. So you identify the symptoms early and get to your healthcare practitioner. And this is something people can recover from and get through, so with the proper treatment. Thank you.
Phil Murphy: (42:52)
Again, another guy who’s not sleeping much, to him and his team who are doing an extraordinary job in the face of a tsunami unlike any we’ve ever seen before. And again, that’s not meant in any way to make you feel better if you’re not getting through yet. We understand that, but it’s Thursday. This is the day that both the US and each of the states announced the new unemployment claims, and we thought it was a good time to ask the commissioner to join us. Please help me welcome the Commissioner of Department of Labor and Workforce Development, Rob Asaro-Angelo. Rob.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (43:30)
Thank you Governor. As I said last week, it is a harsh reality that COVID-19… Thank you Governor. As I said last week, it is a harsh reality that COVID-19 swelled the nation’s unemployment rolls to unprecedented numbers in a few short weeks, as shown by more data released today. As businesses, we knew it, ground to an abrupt halt here and everywhere else. But every single day, thousands and often tens of thousands of new claimants begin receiving benefits, due to the hard work and dedication of the Department of Labor and Workforce Development staff. I want to lead with a sincere thank you to our claimants for their patience and understanding, as we work toward getting a 100% of our eligible workers, the benefits they are due.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (44:07)
With such big numbers, it may not seem like it at first glance, but New Jersey’s unemployment insurance system is working as intended. With nearly 800,000 unemployed and underemployed workers receiving state and federal benefits. That’s more people than live in five US states. More than $2.7 billion has been deposited into the bank accounts and onto the debit cards of eligible New Jersey workers. According to a Tuesday New York Times article, in 2019, New Jersey led the nation and percentage of eligible unemployed workers receiving benefits. The same was true in 2007, and many of those same folks who set the standard, are working right now, as I speak to process even more claims for our state.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (44:49)
The mission of this department has never wavered. To lead the nation in delivering on our promise to ensure our workers receive every benefit they are entitled to, unemployment and others. Right now, according to that same Times article, our state is still performing better than most to pay out benefits after this crush of layoffs and temporary furloughs due to COVID-19. But as I’ve said, this means little to those still waiting for their benefits, and we want to do more. Since unemployment insurance is a federal program, the US Department of Labor, my former employer during the Obama administration, has just reaffirmed strict guidance to states noting that many of the outside of the box solutions we have been exploring such as temporarily suspending or amending the troublesome weekly certification process, cannot be enacted, without putting our entire unemployment system, including billions in CARES Act funding, at risk.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (45:40)
This isn’t some law, dusty law we pulled off this bookshelf. This memo you see up there came earlier this week. But here’s what we can and have done this week alone. Today through upgrades and improvements in processing, I’m proud to announce that an additional 139,000 claimants are being made newly eligible, which is hopefully of some comfort to many of those who’ve been waiting for benefits. To be clear, this is in addition to the tens of thousands who regularly become eligible each week in normal course. It includes nearly 60,000 claims in the third batch of the pandemic unemployment assistance claimants, that were just converted for processing, meaning essentially everyone who is eligible for this new federal assistance and applied by April 12th, which is an overwhelming majority of them, has been processed. This is incredible work, which I will detail more later, but we want to thank all of our staff who’ve been embarking on creative solutions to the historical volume of claims that came with this pandemic.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (46:37)
We also appreciate all of the ideas coming from the public and our lawmakers to increase our staffing capacity. We have been working on this, as I mentioned last week. It’s important to note that an unemployment claims agent cannot simply be plucked off the street and sat in front of a computer screen. Handling sensitive personal information, such as social security numbers, birth dates and bank account information requires trust and a state police background check. Thanks Pat. It means knowing the ins and outs of unemployment law. It means making benefits decisions based on nuanced state and federal regulations. And it takes experience with our systems, especially at this time. However, in addition to hiring and beefing up our call centers, the Labor Department is making the most of the talent at our fingertips.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (47:19)
And I couldn’t be more proud of our employees for stepping up to the challenge of COVID-19. For those of you who are unfamiliar with unemployment, I’d like to take a moment to explain how the process works. Wage earners and their employers pay premiums into the Unemployment Trust Fund, and when they are separated from an employer through no fault of their own and otherwise eligible, they receive the insurance payments they deserve. But now there are hundreds of thousands of workers who have never been part of that system at our door for their PUA benefits. We will be reimbursed from the federal government for the benefits paid out, but the amount of time and effort that has gone into serving this new group of workers has impacted all of our customers. This additional universe of workers includes independent contractors, self-employed workers, and workers who don’t have enough income history to qualify for regular unemployment.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (48:08)
While we’re thrilled these workers who have been negatively affected by COVID-19 are getting government support through pandemic unemployment assistance. It’s presented an entirely new set of challenges as systems that have been in place for a certain type of worker are now serving as a catch-all. These 200 to 300,000 people need to have their claims reviewed because there’s incomplete income information for these applicants and their wages must be verified by labor staff per federal law. There is no way around this. Imagine if every VA hospital was told that tomorrow, in addition to veterans, they must immediately start accepting any patient who’s ever in the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, or wore any kind of uniform. Eventually they’d be able to assist this population. But in the short term, it’s obvious to see the challenges and delays, it would pose to it’s typical traditional patients, but we are absolutely making progress.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (48:57)
As I mentioned earlier in my remarks, this week, another 139, 000 will become eligible for benefits. And besides the PUA, it includes 82,000 claims that may have been pending for weeks due to non-monetary appointments, social security number errors, and other identity related issues, and those that were stuck due to lingering certification response errors. We’ll make these claims payable now. So claimants can receive benefits while waiting for adjudication. This is a big step, and it’s one more piece to our puzzle that is falling into place.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (49:26)
While there are small percentages of people who have been waiting for some time, it’s not because of a system glitch or delay by the agency. It’s because for some reason under unemployment law and USDL guidance, they are not immediately eligible for benefits. If not for system upgrades made during the Murphy administration and programming improvements, since pandemic hit, the number of claimants receiving benefits would barely be over half of what it is today. But now that there is such an incredible number of people in the system certifying benefits, we ask all of our claimants to follow our social security number based schedules, so we can regulate the load coming into our systems. And take a moment or two or…
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (50:03)
And regulate the load coming into our systems. And take a moment, or two, or three, to read the important guides we’ve posted to make sure they are answering questions, correctly. We know many, many thousands, are still getting tripped up on the required questions, as shown before in the earlier USD [inaudible 00:50:15] memo.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (50:15)
This past week alone, over 40,000 claimants locked themselves out of the system for their weekly benefit. And that is adding to the volume our agents need to handle. These inquiries are preventing those who truly need to speak to an agent from getting through. That is why we put out the step by step guides, and why we launched [inaudible 00:50:32] the Google chat bot last week, which has already seen 110,000 engagements. We want to help everyone, especially as we’re preparing to make approximately 139,000 additional self-employed workers, independent contractors and others awaiting benefits newly eligible this week.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (50:49)
These folks will be receiving email instructions on how to plan their weekly benefits starting this Sunday. I am proud of this progress, and while we wish we could wave a wand, hire unlimited staff, who’ve already had years of UI experience, and have everyone paid today, the process is not that simple. We must protect claimants’ personal information, prevent fraud, and more importantly obey US Department of Labor rules, all while paying benefits in the timeliest manner possible. Until then, I’d like to remind all of you to visit our website at myunemployment.nj.gov. And please know we are singularly committed, to our claimants, and getting them every penny they are eligible for as quickly as we can. Thank you Governor.
Governor Phil Murphy: (51:26)
Rob, thank you. And thank your extraordinary team. And I know this is unlike anything any of us have ever dealt with before. So, to folks out there, please keep the faith, again, to repeat something we’ve said every day, you will get every single penny that you rightfully deserve, including the federal monies, and Rob again, I can’t thank you enough for your leadership and your team’s extraordinary efforts. Thank you. With that, we have a guy we hear from each day, Colonel Pat Callahan, with any updates on compliance, PPE, infrastructure, protocols, anything you’ve got Pat. God bless you.
Pat Callahan: (52:03)
Thanks Governor. Good afternoon. Probably one of the more, if I can use the Q word in law enforcement, one of the more quiet nights for compliance. Newark Police Department issued 275 warnings, which I think is a good thing. And one other incident in Elizabeth, where a subject was cited for hosting a large gathering. And Governor, since you’ve mentioned the benchmark that we’ve hit with regard to PPE, it’s a good time to also thank, and he happens to be here today, Commissioner Asaro-Angelo, has in Department of Labor, public safety staff, who are responsible for inspecting, all of that PPE, before it goes out, so we make sure, that we’re not sending bogus or, not good equipment out to our first responders and healthcare workers. So, just a huge thank you, to you Rob, and to your staff there.
Pat Callahan: (52:56)
And just lastly, just to somewhat tag team on your remarks about the Commissioner of Health, I just did the math. I have been with her, on the phone with her, for the past 83 days straight. I think it’s within my authority to designate her as an honorary trooper, the synonym for trooper is fighter, warrior, soldier. She fits the bill on all of those things and then some, and I’m honored and humbled to serve with her every day. So thank you, trooper Judy for doing what you do. Governor
Governor Phil Murphy: (53:29)
That’s far more impactful than anything I could say. That’s for sure. Pat, thank you. Again to the OEM team, to your inspection team, Rob, and certainly to Judy and Tina, and the Department of Health. And again, Len’s here today, because we’ve said all along, it takes a village. I had a good meeting with, I should say, with the Senate president, the speaker last night, we spoke about a number of things, including, we all felt a good meeting was had yesterday, at the working group level, on bonding, and our ability, to take advantage of the bonding opportunities. But we don’t get here, any of us, by ourselves. And your point in terms of just the day in and day out, nature of something like this, is extremely well-taken. One of the things that came up on the call that Len and I, and Mike Delamater, organized the other day, and Pat I know you’ll be all over this with your colleagues, as well as local and County officials, we’ll have inevitably, a lot of people who will want to let some steam off, who could blame them? Having been staying inside for so long. And so, Len I love the fact you’re going to take it around the track in a few communities this weekend. And I’m sure Pat, both in the parks, is an ongoing matter with the park police, your own County and local law enforcement, as well as at the shore and our lakes. We’ll be out there, God willing, folks will continue to do just as they’ve done overwhelming compliance and doing the right thing.
Governor Phil Murphy: (54:58)
So, hats off to each and every one of you. We’ll start with John. But before we do, we’re going to go down, and then come back to Dave, and go down. So we’re going to do, lanes today. There are a lot of you. So I’m asking you, John, please set the example. Please keep these brief, and short. We will be here. Where is Danny? I lost Dan. We’ll be here tomorrow at one. I don’t think there’s a VTC. And we’ll be here Saturday at one, and Sunday will be electronic unless we think there’s a reason to be with you, either on the telephone or face to face, in which case we’ll do just that.
Governor Phil Murphy: (55:34)
I mentioned this earlier. We hope to have Matt Platkin is now with us. We hope to have guidance on elections. In the next day or two, we hope to have guidance, I think on elective surgeries, we’re still begging, which is more complicated, than any of us thought. We are still, I mentioned earlier today, we’re going to have some pool, and charter fishing guidance as well. I hope all of that within the next couple of days or so. So please bear with us. If you’ve got questions about that, just give us another day or two and we’ll get back to you. On charter fishing and pools, needless to say, we’re trying to get stuff in place, so we can be in as full of shape as possible, when next Friday, the 22nd comes around and we kick off Memorial Day weekend. With that Matt, John, you’re up. Good afternoon.
Speaker 1: (56:21)
Thank you, Governor. On the shore reopening, can you tell us what specifics you were telling the towns on how to formulate their plans? Will we be able to see what the plans are for each town? And enforcement on social distancing, can you explain how shore towns are going to handle keeping crowds away? What do you expect? The Wildwood Crest Beach Patrol to be going up and down? How’s that going to look?
Speaker 1: (56:45)
There was a nurse’s aide at the Menlo Park facility who died. She’s the second of the frontline staff there who died. Her family and union were there saying that there was a lack of PPE early on. Can you speak to that, as well as, claims by the unions and others that the state prioritized hospital PPE over veterans and nursing homes.
Governor Phil Murphy: (57:04)
One more please.
Speaker 1: (57:05)
Sure. And on the labor, on the unemployment website, all of the stuff that you’re talking about, except for the number of claims, was in place, a year ago, 20 years ago, in some cases. You guys knew that there were choke points with the labor system, your transition reports said that, it’s in archaic looking form. People are going nuts, who aren’t getting their claims, being told, “You didn’t fill out the form properly, we’ll get around to it.” How can you speak to this? And also, what are you going to do to fix this thing?
Governor Phil Murphy: (57:33)
So, I think on your first question, Len, you may want to weigh in here. In fact, I’d love you to weigh in. We are, as I think you’re hearing today, giving guidance at sort of, not a 10,000 foot level on beaches, but we’re sort of setting the parameters, and we’re asking, which has been the partnership all along, the local mayors and County officials, to actually execute on that. And I think part of the reason is, they’ve forgotten more about shore realities than any of the rest of us, number one, but number two, it depends on what beach you’re in. Wildwood is a whole lot different than Belmar, to pick two beaches that I’ve been at recently, myself. Len, any comments, particularly on social distancing.
Leonard Desiderio: (58:16)
Yes Governor. Our Police Chief, Tom McQuillen, along with our Beach Patrol Captain Randy Steel, have been working on a plan. And we do not want the lifeguards, supervising, and watching for social distance. We want them to keep looking straight out, at the ocean, and do what they’re supposed to do, watching to make sure everyone is safe. We’re going to have some Goodwill ambassadors up there, that are going to be passing out materials, just giving people notification on, what you can do, and please, to practice social distancing. If you must stay together, and you’re a large family, we’re going to ask you to please put on some face shields. We’re going to ask you to please, respect everyone. As I said earlier, this is all brand new to us.
Leonard Desiderio: (59:03)
We’re going to be working together. I know our police chief is going to have a couple of police officers on quads, riding up and down, making sure, just giving information out, and making sure everyone is adhering, to what we want them to do. But the lifeguards, we want them to do the job that they always do, and that’s to watch the ocean, and watch to make sure everyone’s safe there.
Leonard Desiderio: (59:25)
We’ll remember, we’ll watch what’s going on. And that’s one of the reasons why this weekend Ocean City and Strathmere and Sea Isle has decided to do a dry run, because it’s better to do it this week than we figure Memorial Day weekend, the traditional kickoff, to the summer season. And we’ll be able to come back, and have a plan in place, for next Friday. And that’s the way we’re going to work that. Thank you, governor,
Governor Phil Murphy: (59:50)
And my pleasure Leonard, and I know each of the communities will communicate, and the counties will communicate, any parameters that they’ve got. I read of this tragic loss of life, John, as well. Remember, we started as a nation, literally almost I would say, with a peashooter, in terms of PPE, in the stockpile, in terms of testing materials, testing kits, and swabs, et cetera. And we have cobbled this together from nothing, to 42.6 million pieces distributed of PPE and, testing, that will now be able, to test within the next couple of weeks, 20,000 or more tests a day. That doesn’t make up, that doesn’t compensate for any loss of life. And so bless, the nurse’s aide. I don’t have any insight in the particulars of the case. Judy, do you? We don’t, so we can come back to you, I don’t, again, bless the loss of life.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:00:50)
Pat, I mentioned, I think two weeks ago that, in particular, the White House is sending in a whole other wave, directly for longterm care. I will, Rob, turn to you. You heard this, hey, you’ve got 19 year old systems, and all the anxiety that goes with that. Any comments you’ve got to John?
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (01:01:12)
Real quick. Thanks Gov. I want to be careful. I don’t want to conflate the certification question issue with the age of our websites or how it looks. Because the certification questions are just questions that are on our standard form. No one has problems filling out forms or there’s no form errors that are causing any delays.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (01:01:29)
That being said, yes, the system is old. Some of our neighbors states have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to fix their system to no avail, quite frankly. By the way, just so you know, we’re on these conference calls, I’ve been doing conferences in this job, in my last job about UI systems. And quite frankly, some state might have a prettier looking website than another, but the behind the scenes architecture or the behind scenes system are quite frankly all the same.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (01:01:56)
The fact that we need to interconnect with multiple systems across multiple states is part of the issue. We talk very often about the jobs that covid19.nj.gov portal that got up and running within a week or two of this starting, and that was easy to set up. It was our own data, our own information that we sort of housed in control. We don’t have that same luxury with the unemployment system because we’re made by the federal government to store data going back to literally the eighties, nineties, everybody’s basically wage history for their entire work life. So it’s not we can start up a new system on our own. These things are interconnected with systems all over the country. Quite frankly, our icon system which verifies information from other states verifies identity. So I’m not saying that we can’t make improvements.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (01:02:38)
I think we’ve made a lot of customer facing improvements since we’ve been here quite frankly. But I think that the back of the house architecture, that’s got to be a federal solution in the end. And I’m hoping that one benefit that comes out of this is that we’ve never heard anybody in Congress or anywhere else talk about unemployment data systems, computer systems, hopefully this attention will give us a federal response because-
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:02:58)
That would be one in a row if that were to happen.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (01:02:59)
Right. Because frankly every single state is implementing the same federal system. The fact that we’re all on 50 plus different operating systems, different ways to apply is totally nonsensical. So I’m hoping that in COVID 7.0 whenever it’s going to be in Congress, that one of them is going to be a unilateral unemployment in every state can plug into put their own parameters and still have home rule or state rule about who gets benefits and who doesn’t. But the fact that we’re all running different systems is ridiculous.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:03:26)
Thank you for that. Matt, you wanted to add something on beaches, I think, right?
Yeah, just on the beaches order and John, when it comes out and you see it, I think it’ll be a little clearer. But there’s a number of requirements set forth in the order that are fairly specific. And then there are some that are broader parameters, such as, the requirements around social distancing. They have to maintain six feet of distance, how they do it. Some of that is up to the local jurisdiction because beach is very up and down the state as we know. That said, there’s also a requirement in the order that, each jurisdiction conduct a communications plan to communicate the restrictions to the public, so that they understand, what they can and can’t do and how access will work.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:04:08)
Including, before they get to the beach in Portland. That’s the reason for that.
Correct and we’ll be doing that at the state level as well.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:04:14)
Right. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2: (01:04:17)
Yes. Following up on the unemployment system, I have two questions. One for you, Governor and one for your commissioner. And the question for you is, in your travels, you mentioned going to the beach recently. How often are people coming up to you, about the unemployment system? And do you have anyone in your circle, or your family, or friends, struggling with this system, as so many others are?
Speaker 2: (01:04:40)
And then for your commissioner, I’d like to talk about the bones of the system. When people get a check one week, but then they go three more weeks without one, is that something in the way they’re filling out the form, or is there something in the bones, is the glitch in the system?
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:04:58)
People come up to me all the time. And if you follow a press conference, which we do every day, I think John, one of your colleagues said, now I’ll have to start answering the tough questions. This is the 58th press conference we’ve done by my count. So you may want to tell Charlie that we’re answering the tough questions every single damn day. People are rightfully coming out of the woodwork. If you’ve lost your job and in particular, the unprecedented numbers, and you are, if you add to that, the frustration that you can’t get through, and you already, the average American has, we’ve already seen the studies in New Jersey, is no difference. People are living at the edge of their affordability. One bad, usually defined as one bad healthcare event away from bankruptcy. Who could blame them for being frustrated? So I’ve gotten calls at home. I get texts. I get calls on my own phone. People in every Ask the Governor, every interview, every press conference, we get it.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:05:58)
And by the way, we’re no exception to the country right now. This is at levels that are just beyond anything we’ve ever seen before. Folks are upset. They’re nervous, they’re scared, and who could blame them? Rob, real quick on the second one.
Robert Asaro-Angelo: (01:06:13)
Yeah, real quick. Also, obviously, tons of friends and family, coming to me about these issues as well. But based on your one question, it’s always hard to answer generic questions, because every claim is different. But an overwhelming majority of folks who start getting paid, and then don’t receive benefits next week, is because they’ve answered a question, and I won’t say incorrectly. They answered the question, how they answered it. But those are the USDA guidelines. If someone answers one of these questions in a certain way, they are no longer eligible for UI benefits. Which is why we’ve gone to great lengths for me being here, putting out press releases, putting out basically, now they need to attest, that they’ve read the information about each question, before they go through and certify. So yes, if someone’s got benefits already, and they don’t get them the next week, there was no glitch in the system. That means that one of the questions was answered adversely.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:06:57)
Thank you. Channeling Sonny and Cher, we have Paul Mulshine. Paul, how are you?
Paul Mulshine: (01:07:03)
The Republican senators are calling for a inquiry into the longterm care problem. And I gather more than 53% of the deaths are there, and they’re complaining, and also a lot of my readers are complaining, that the administration was doing things like cracking down on golfers and joggers, while sending COVID-19 positive patients into nursing homes. And I gather there still isn’t full screening of the staffs in the nursing home. So, do you think there should be an inquiry into that because that’s where most of the deaths are?
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:07:35)
Anything else or?
Paul Mulshine: (01:07:36)
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:07:37)
Yeah. I don’t think, how we’re dealing with, this is not an and or. You can either deal with golfers who are noncompliant or, deal with the longterm care tragedy. We can do both. Listen, Paul, it’s an overwhelming tragedy, and it’s not unique to our state. We have, Judy hired, a national renowned firm a couple of weeks ago. They are right now, digging through this hole. They’re not only plussing up staffing there. They’re in there for a reason, to give us exactly, what’s gone wrong? What do we do better? How does this industry need to look in the future? Again, the uneven performance of this industry is jaw-dropping, and that’s as charitable as I can get. I’ve said all along, we can’t get there by ourselves. We welcome the legislative reality in this state.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:08:31)
And I think we’ve worked extremely well with the legislature, and communicated at a high level on both sides of the aisle. But you add National Guard, VAs, the net, the firm we’ve hired nationally, the directors that Judy has been putting out since March six. Testing now required by May 26, by mandate of universal of patients and staff, all staff. The numbers don’t lie. It is an overwhelming tragedy. There’s just no other way to put that. And I speak every day, to families who have lost loved ones. And they are disproportionately families of loved ones who were lost in a longterm care facility. And it tears your heart out. But we’re going to stay at this. I don’t begrudge anybody looking at this and saying, “Gosh, golly. How can this happen? How can we do better?” We’re doing the exact same thing, Judy, you want to add anything to that?
Judy Persichilli: (01:09:33)
No, I certainly agree with what the Governor said. This is a tragedy. And like he said, the numbers don’t lie. And I’ll reach out to anyone, that will help us determine what we should be doing going forward, so that this never happens again. The resiliency, of the longterm care industry, is thin. And they work at the margin. We know that. And, did they have PPE, adequate PPE? They did not. And neither did anyone else, in New Jersey, and in the United States. There was no stockpile, of PPE nationally. And there was no stockpile in the state. And we were just scrambling, to get as much as we could, and through relationships, quite frankly, that our Governor and our Chief of Staff, his Chief of Staff has had with DC. We got more than our share, including things like ventilators. And we were able to do as best we could, with what we got. And at the end of the day, the tragedy of longterm care will haunt us for a long time, but we will definitely put things in place that will prevent that from happening again.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:10:51)
I also meant to, in my list, Judy, I forgot, the Attorney General has launched an investigation. So this is not just all the things I’ve already said, but the Attorney General as well. So, thank you for that. We’re going to come down to Dave and then we’ll go straight back again. Dave.
Hi Governor, thank you. On the beach opening, this is huge news, and it’s going to involve a lot of people. Maybe I could hear from you, Governor, from the mayor slash freeholder, and from the colonel on this. With regard to enforcement, law enforcement, you had mentioned mayor, that you’re going to have the police out and about. But will there be a widespread encouragement to have law enforcement, out and about? You may get, I understand you’re trying to limit crowds on the boardwalk and the beaches, but you may get a huge throng of people. And the mindset is going to be, “Yahoo! It’s summer. Let’s kick back and relax and get some fun.”
Will tickets be issued if people get out of hand? Will people be kicked off the beach if they’re misbehaving or not following orders, directives and so forth? Parents, should they be encouraged to watch their kids? It’s hard. Kids are going to be playing. They’re going to be running around, there’s going to be rough housing. Kids are kids. How much of a concern is that? And, are you concerned yourself, Governor about the fact that this really is a very big step, and it has the potential for, a spike? How concerning is that?
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:12:30)
So I’ll start and maybe Len and Pat can come in behind me if that’s all right. Yeah, listen. If you go back to the, first of all, if you look at other places that have done, who were ahead of us in this Corona reality, and have driven this down dramatically, places like Germany, South Korea, Singapore, other places, you’ve seen flare ups. We’ve said, I think unequivocally, Judy will correct me if she sees this differently. If we bat a thousand, on taking steps responsibly, we’re going to have flare ups, which is why we have the testing, contact-tracing, isolation infrastructure that we’re putting together. So we accept that. If you look at those charts that we have showed the past number of days, lots of progress, still, a stark reality that we are arguably the most impacted, as we speak now, state in America. And so, I’d say two things about that.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:13:33)
Number one, there is a benefit, to take a lot of smaller steps, particularly ones that may on the surface look unrelated, because you are much better able, to realtime, in an iterative way, judge, the impact of those steps. Admittedly, beaches is a big one. Parks and beaches will be the two biggest ones we’ve taken so far. But curbside pickup and retail, is not really connected to non-essential construction. Or frankly, to what we’ll say, when we say it, about elective surgery, as an example. My point is, if you take a series of incremental steps, you could be much more nimble, in assessing the impact of those, because you can, as opposed to, you took 10 steps at once, and there’s a flare up, you have a hard time parsing through, why you had that flare up.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:14:26)
Secondly, I would say, there’s a range of responsible action right now. So there’s a range that goes from very conservative, to very liberal, in terms of the steps you can take. I personally would assess that beaches, are getting toward the edge of what we can responsibly do right now. So this is something that we’re all going to hold hands, and do together, recognizing that we know, people are dying to let steam off, they’re dying to get out. And, we have-
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:15:03)
… to get out and, we’re going to have a big burden of responsibility to get that as right as we can. I’d say one more thing before I turn it over to Lynn. Yes, if people are noncompliant, they will be dealt with. How they’re dealt with will depend on the community that you’re in. How the social distancing will be enforced is going to depend on the community that you’re in.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:15:29)
But this is a big step, there’s no question about it. And we’ve got to rely as we have from day one, we’ve got to rely on all of us to get this as right as we can. And with that, I’ll ask Len, just real briefly, and then Pat, how you see enforcing, how you see the reality of dealing with people who are noncompliant, et cetera, please.
Okay, Governor. Yes, having the police out on the beaches, nothing out of the ordinary. Every day during the summer we do have police on the quads that ride around just to make sure everyone’s safe, if anyone needs anything. We’re not looking for any problems. We’re not looking to arrest anyone. We’re not looking to have anyone removed from the beach.
I think the majority or most of the people that are going to be going to the beach know where we were and where we are now and what we have to do. I don’t envision what happened recently in Naples, Florida, where they opened the beach and had to close it because of noncompliant and them not following the rules. But, as the Governor stated, if we do run into someone that does not want to follow the rules, then they will be dealt with and removed from the beach and/or ticketed.
But I don’t envision this. I think everyone’s going to be able to police themselves. I think they’re going to be happy that they’re finally allowed to get out. There’s a lot of cabin fever going on right now, and I think that they’re going to be ready to go and enjoy themselves in a safe manner.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:17:04)
I’ll just add briefly, that as recently as this morning, we were on with Mike Delamater. Ocean County and Cape May County do the special police officer training. Obviously, training across all law enforcement was suspended. I think the Cape May class has about five days of hand-to-hand training left. So we’re working with the police training commission to make sure, as we do every summer in those shore counties, to bolster up our class twos and three officers, to make sure that we have that workforce out there in place to monitor social distancing.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:17:38)
The great, and Len referred to this, the great thing about New Jersey beaches, they may be configured differently from town to town, but you do have an ability to control the capacity. And that’s something that is, in this case, a huge blessing. Thank you. We’re going to go to Elise, if we could, Matt.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:17:57)
Good afternoon. I’m curious about the risk to lifeguards. There’s no way you can social distance what they do. So will beaches be open to swimming? Regarding the predicted $10.1 billion shortfall through fiscal 2021, are you working out how to plug that hole? For instance, the percentage of borrowing, the percentage of spending adjustments, the percentage of federal aid. What’s plan B if enough federal aid doesn’t materialize? And finally do you plan to continue to make the quarterly pension payments at the amount that you pledged? Thank you.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:18:38)
I’ll start, and I don’t know whether or not you may want to weigh in from a health standpoint. There will be swimming at the beaches. I don’t know of any beach, do you know of any beach, Len or Matt that is not … or Mike, that is not allowing swimming? A local municipality has the right to shut their beach and to make that decision. I’m not aware of any, are you?
Speaker 3: (01:18:59)
There’s also legal protections around swimming, but under your order, Governor, swimming is allowed both at beaches as well as in parks.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:19:08)
But again, a local municipality, a county, theoretically could say no to swimming, but at the moment we know of none. Is that …
Speaker 3: (01:19:13)
I think we’d have to review what they’re doing, because there are rights to access to water.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:19:21)
Anything you want to say on lifeguards and protecting themselves?
Yes. Generally you have two lifeguards on a stand. What we’re preparing, and I know our police chief and our chief of the beach patrol, we’re going to have one on a stand, have another stand a little further so that we can spread out this swimmers. So we’ll be able to do that so there’ll be one on a stand at this time.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:19:45)
Judy, anything you want to add? We’re good? I don’t know what the mix is right now, Elise, and part of this is we need legislative support. And as I said, I think the speaker, senate president, and I all agreed, there was a very constructive, good working group meeting on bonding yesterday. But we still need to see where that turns out, where the federal assistance, the direction it is headed.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:20:10)
It feels, we had this discussion, I had this with the leaders last night, it feels better than it did a week ago in the sense that you’re starting to see folks on the other side of the aisle come out, particularly governors and senators. Sadly, the plan B is, which we can’t fathom right now, is enormous cutting of services and headcount from the very people that we need at the point of attack right now in the biggest healthcare crisis in the history of our state and country.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:20:43)
So it’s not even as though that crisis is over here and you can do something over there to deal with it. We can’t. This is the frontline workers, the exact folks we need. And, by the way, we don’t need to be raising the unemployment ranks any more than we’ve already had them raised. Can you imagine if states weren’t able to continue to employ folks?
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:21:08)
And by the way, I heard of a poll yesterday, which was encouraging, that 80% of Americans believe that state aid, that they support direct state aid, including a majority of both parties. And I hope that finds its way to the deliberations in Congress. I would just say, we will make the quarterly, we’ll make the pension payments, was your last question, I believe. Sir?
Governor, follow up on the budget shortfall. Do you think that number is going to get any higher, because you had previously told President Trump that could get as high as 20 to 30 million? On longterm care, given the concerns and outcomes, do you think that, or do you have any confidence that longterm care operators can develop and implement universal testing and continue testing in the deadlines you set? If so, what gives you that confidence?
And lawmakers from both parties have called for hearings into the state’s response to longterm care providers. Do you think that situation, in particular the state’s role, deserves critical scrutiny at this point? And last one …
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:22:11)
Last question, please.
Last one. With the existing contact tracing that’s already in place, to what degree are you focusing on new hospital admissions? If so, what have you learned about who they are, where and how they’re getting sick, amid all social distancing?
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:22:27)
Could the budget shortfall get worse? Yes. I would hope if we can responsibly take reopening steps, like the one we’re talking about today, that it doesn’t, but it could, and it could in particular, if either we stop complying, which I don’t think will happen because New Jersey’s been number one in the American class in terms of doing the right thing, or if we have flare ups that hit us, even having batted a thousand.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:22:56)
But could it get worse? Yes. Judy could talk about longterm care and their testing, but they’re mandated to do this, and, the expectation is crystal clear. We’ve already said, lawmakers from both sides want to assess what’s happened. I’ve said this from day one. This country needs to do a postmortem and this state will do a postmortem on this entire process, and we owe it to the citizens to do that in the same spirit as the 9/11 commission was done led by Governor Kaine and Congressman Lee Hamilton.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:23:33)
That’s the sort of model that we would look to, not just nationally, but here as well, including obviously, in longterm care. I don’t have an answer on contact tracing and the new hospitalizations. Judy, anything on that or longterm care testing?
I didn’t quite understand the question about the contact tracers for new hospitalizations?
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:23:53)
Yeah, folks who are going in in the new hospitalizations, what the status? What’s the status around of the contact tracing around their situation?
All of the positive cases get reported to the local health officer and the local health officers are following all of the current cases. As we increase testing, that’s where we need more contact tracers because we expect that we’re going to get more positive cases.
Do you know at this point, how and where people are getting sick?
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:24:24)
What’s that again?
Do you know at this point how and where people are getting sick.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:24:28)
I think we gave you the chart, in terms of the regions, at least.
I mean, where they’re coming from. I mean, are they people who are staying at home, are they people who are essential workers who are amongst other people?
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:24:38)
I don’t know that we know.
Yeah, I don’t.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:24:42)
The new hospitalizations, we don’t have a crisp answer, but we probably, we can get that for you. We have it at least broken down geographically. You’re good? Do you have anything, sir? You’re good? Well, let’s go to Matt here. Hold on Matt.
Governor and Commissioner, I’m curious, Commissioner, if you have a number of new filers and pending claims, if we have a fixed number on that, and whether or not there’s any plans to do an audit or an investigation into some of the failures or, at least looking into upgrading the system. You mentioned some federal help there. Have you reached out to the feds? Is Jersey kind of looking at that angle?
Governor, Jackson officials say that they’re reopening municipal rec fields for sports, as long as people don’t gather in more than groups of 10 and don’t play contact sports. Does that violate your order? And just lastly, a gym owner in South Jersey has gone on TV and been vocal about reopening Monday in defiance of your order. Curious how you react to that. And just in general, folks that are still operating businesses that are nonessential and can’t be opened under your order. How do you respond to that?
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:25:54)
Do you want to hit, real quick, the unemployment, both in terms of new filers, pending and any audits you’re going to?
So the Governor mentioned, every Thursday we release new numbers. So the numbers we released today were based on filings last week, ending on Saturday. And there were 70,000. I think the exact number was 69,789 new filers last week. And as far as audits, to be honest, one of the first things I did when I came in was have a meeting about modernizing our UI system, and it doesn’t just mean the website. It means the whole functioning system.
And this is something that is a national effort. There’s a group called NASWA, the National Association of State Workforce Agencies, that has a regular group about this, that our Assistant Commissioner for Income Security, Ron Moreno, sits on. This is an ongoing effort by every single state in the country to upgrade and modernize their UI systems. And clearly, it’s not fast enough.
Clearly couldn’t have seen this pandemic coming, but quite frankly, we’re on this all the time. And as I said, the improvements we have made have made things better for how we’re dealing with things now. But as I’ve said before, this is not going to be fixed nationwide because it’s a nationwide problem. This is a federal answer for this.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:27:06)
I’d also say any post-mortem we’re going to do is not just going to be a healthcare post-mortem, it’s going to be a comprehensive post-mortem. Did you say Jackson was the town?
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:27:16)
I think, Matt, am I right in saying if you’re gathering less than 10 and you’ve got social distancing, that that is okay. Is that not correct?
With respect to contact sports, Executive Order 133 gave municipalities and counties the ability to operate their parks if they so choose, but they have to still abide by the restrictions that are in that order with respect to state parks, one of which is you can’t have organized or contact sports. This has been communicated to the town and we will follow up if they have any questions.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:27:45)
I thought you said they were not doing contact sports.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:27:49)
But just to clarify, fewer than 10 people can be in a space as long as they’re socially distancing, right?
The administrative order issued by the Colonel says that if you have a stay at home order in place and there’s a gathering span in it. Up to 10 people are presumed to be in compliance unless there’s evidence to the contrary. But the information we received from the town was that they were considering doing recreational sports activities, which would classify as noncompliant.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:28:15)
So let’s be clear about that. If it’s less than 10 and your social distancing, particularly if you’re outside, but frankly even, we said this the other day, for private prayer, that’s okay. As long as you’ve got good hygiene, you’re social distancing, less than 10. Sports is not okay.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:28:32)
And the gym owner is out of compliance. I don’t know. I’ve heard about this person. They’re out of compliance and that’s not going to be tolerated. I’ll leave that to Matt and Pat and they can deal with it from there. Thank you. Sir, do you have something? I’m looking at you? Do you have something? No. Ma’am? Nothing? Ma’am, how about you?
I’m with the Atlantic City Press, and so one of the questions I had for the freeholder is how do you see the little boardwalk shops, like the T-shirt shops, things like that? Can they operate in that curbside service way that other non-essential businesses are allowed to operate? How do you see that playing out?
And then, for the labor commissioner, did I understand you to say that 82,000 claims that have been withheld and, you said, stuck lingering because of certification response errors, that you’re going to make them payable so people can receive the payments before adjudification, but then you also said another 40,000 people answered something wrong this week.
Will that not matter anymore? Will anybody who answers something wrong, will they automatically get payments and worry about adjudicating later? Or is it just those 82,000 that’ll get paid, but another 40,000 are going to be back in line with payments not being made because of this thing?
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:29:57)
Is that it?
Yeah, that’s it.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:29:58)
A quick comment before Len will jump in and then Rob, the non-essential retailer reality, a T-shirt shop on the boardwalk is going to be similar to a shop, a mom and pop shop, in a downtown street, at least for the time being. So this is as of Monday morning, curbside retail pickup. That’ll be the case wherever that location is. Restaurants will continue to be takeout. And that’s whether it’s …
These are very tiny shops and they have no doors.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:30:29)
I understand what they are.
They’re wide open, so I’m asking maybe if the freeholder could describe how, physically, that could work.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:30:36)
I’m making the comment as a general matter. The rules of the road are the same. How they actually do it, I’ll defer to Len and he’ll have very good examples of some of the shops in his community. Then we’re going to go to Rob, and then we’re going to take this out. Len?
Thank you, Governor. First of all, we’re all happy that the small shops are going to be able to open. The business owners are extremely smart. For instance, the restaurants, we had many restaurants that never before had to do takeout, never did takeout. They’ve done innovative ways of getting along these past few months doing takeout. The shops are going to be able to do things such as deliver.
So you’ll be able to call to them and they can deliver to you. I know it’s going to be difficult. It’s not going to be anything like they’ve ever experienced before, but we’re all learning something new and we’re all doing things in a different manner just to keep going. And this is a way that they’re at least going to be able to open now, and this is a first step.
But I lay it on the business owners because they have used their minds in different ways during this entire time, and I go back to the restaurants who never did takeout before that are now doing it and doing it well with innovative ways of doing it, and the shop owners will be able to do deliveries, be able to meet the customer. I think it’ll work. It’s not perfect, but it will work.
Which would sidewalk sale type setups be legal under this?
I don’t …
[crosstalk 01:32:11] numbers of merchandise out front?
Governor? I don’t …
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:32:15)
My guess is no. We’re going to see how it goes. But I do want to echo what Len just said, the creativity. The small business owners are extraordinary. For all of its failings, thank God we’re a capitalist country because folks will figure out a way to get through this. Rob, do you want to answer the unemployment question?
Yep. Good question, Michelle. Just real quick, just want to say that one of my first jobs was on the Atlantic City boardwalk in one of those retail shops, and then also delivering bagels overnight in Atlantic City, and so I think that those two jobs uniquely prepared me for this job. I want to get back to the specifics, but broad sense, the 82,000, many of those are folks who’ve had certification question errors, and we’re going to be basically redoing that process week by week.
I want to confirm that I don’t know, of the seven questions, I don’t know that all seven wrong answers are going to be able to be fixed. So I want to get back to you with a specific answer after that, but yes, that will be fixed ongoing, but that does not take away the importance of somebody answering certain certification questions the right way. We’ll get back to you with specifics about that, though.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:33:17)
Thank you all. I’m going to mask up as I say farewells. So we covered a lot of ground today, and my guess is we’ll cover a lot of ground in the next couple of days. We’ve got at least elections, elective surgeries, poll guidance. What else is on that list? Charter fishing, potential guidance coming up. I want to thank the freeholder and mayor who is a great guy, a great friend, and a great leader.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:33:44)
And I want to wish you the best as you war game this weekend, and then as you kick things off a week from Friday. I’m not sure I’m going to be standing with you, but if I could find a way to do that, I would love that. If not, Memorial Day soon. Judy, to you, I meant everything I said and then some. I don’t know where we would be without you.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:34:02)
To you, Dr. Tan and your teams, thank you so much. Rob, again to you and your squad. I know this is as tough as it gets. And again, folks out there, we don’t blame you for your frustration, but you will get what is yours, and Rob, that wouldn’t happen without you. Pat, thanks to you and your squad on PPE and compliance and other matters. I know you’ll be on full alert and colleagues, as you always are in the summer. Jared, I know you and your team will be as well.
Governor Phil Murphy: (01:34:32)
Matt and Mike, I thank you. Everybody just keep doing what you’re doing. The level of doing the right thing in this state is better than any other state in America, and that shouldn’t surprise us for one second. We’re taking a big step. This is a big step. Of the steps we’ve taken up until now, I’d say county and state parks, Judy, was the biggest step we’ve taken. Beaches is the biggest now. And the fact, listen, as we’ve said this before, to your good questions, this is going to evolve over time to see how we do. And out-of-doors activity gives us more degrees of freedom. The indoor, the most difficult thing, is indoors sedentary, no, correct me if I’m wrong, with no circulation, no windows open. That’s going to be the toughest nut for us to crack. But I’m thrilled that we could sign this executive order. Great cooperation up and down the shore in our lake communities. We’ll see you back here at one o’clock. God bless you all.