Judge Kierny (24:15):
Good morning, everyone. You can all be seated. We're on record in State versus Davis C377407. Welcome back everybody. Anything we need to address outside the presence?
Michael Sanft (24:25):
Your Honor, I do have some concern with regards to the State's current presentation of evidence in this case.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Okay.
Michael Sanft (24:35):
There was some discussion, I believe, that was on recording that was something that I did not believe should have been included. Some prior bad act that was in the first, I don't know, maybe five or six minutes of the recording that we listened to on Friday. I did not make an objection to that particular point because I was trying to figure out whether it came in under some motion practice prior and I don't believe it does.
Judge Kierny (24:54):
And specifically what bad act is that?
Michael Sanft (24:57):
Is that Mr. Davis is talking specifically about criminal history and he had made mention something along the lines that he was involved in a shooting and it was also because of drugs. We've always known about drugs; that's in his criminal history, but with regards to his reference to a shooting, I think it's highly prejudicial in this case. And I don't know where it's at in there. I was trying to figure out with my people, where it was exactly, but we don't have this exact recording.
Judge Kierny (25:27):
Okay. So in my motion regarding the bad acts and regarding essentially all of the evidence that was going to be admitted in this case, there was a caveat that there would be certain things that would be excluded that could be redacted out. Was this something you were familiar with in your previous listenings or it just took you by surprise when you heard it this time?
Michael Sanft (25:46):
Well, we don't have the proposed redacted version of this.
Marc DiGiacomo (25:52):
There is no redaction done to this whatsoever. There were requests made to redact it, but our motion specifically addressed that his first criminal conviction was a misdemeanor for shooting into the occupied structure.
Judge Kierny (26:03):
Can I finish with Mr. Sanft real quick-
Marc DiGiacomo (26:05):
Sure.
Judge Kierny (26:05):
... and then I'll turn to you Mr. DiGiacomo? Mr. Sanft, you may finish.
Michael Sanft (26:09):
Oh no, I was listening to Mr. DiGiacomo. To me, the bigger issue is that we have this recording now. Obviously if there's anything there that is potentially going to be a problem, there would be, at least from the State, some effort to reach out to me and say, "Hey, here are the things that we think that still falls under the purview of what the court order was in this case, and maybe there's some things in here you want to discuss." I would think that that would've been a discussion prior to the publication of it. I just presumed that what we were hearing with this particular witness on Friday was the stuff that we had already heard.
(26:45)
The problem is, like I said, there's a reference to a shooting in here. There's reference to another... I can't remember what the other act is that's in there. But once again, it goes back to the fact that there was some motion practice done on this, and I agree with the court. The other part of the problem is that we've had reference to the Biggie Smalls murder. The State in their own motion practice had indicated that they weren't going to... That the Biggie Smalls murder had nothing to do with the Tupac investigation. And to me, once again-
Judge Kierny (27:17):
I think Mr. Duane Davis had no involvement in the Biggie Smalls.
Michael Sanft (27:21):
Correct.
Judge Kierny (27:21):
And we've admonished the jury that there is no indication that he has anything to do with that at this point. But ultimately, the nexus of this investigation was such that they were investigated together, for better or for worse.
Michael Sanft (27:34):
Right. And we can sit here and talk words all day with that jury waiting outside, but I think what we're proposing the court to do, what I would propose the court to do, is just have some type of limiting instruction to the jury indicating to them, "You may be hearing other things that are not the focus of this particular investigation of Tupac's murder." Something along those lines. Just a limiting instruction for them.
Judge Kierny (27:55):
Sure. Mr. DiGiacomo, do you have an objection to the limiting instruction?
Marc DiGiacomo (28:01):
No, I actually think, before every witness, maybe you just read that Tavares instruction to them each time.
Judge Kierny (28:08):
So just to remedy what we're talking about now, I'll have Mr. Sanft propose a limiting instruction and then from here on out, given the party's dual request, I'll read the Tavares instruction, unless it's a witness that has nothing to do with... If it was, for example, the gentleman who had taken the photo, he wouldn't have anything to do with the bad acts, then we wouldn't have to read. But if it were anybody else, anybody, probably law enforcement at this point, I can read it?
Marc DiGiacomo (28:34):
Yes, Judge. And just so that there's complete candor to the court, we did a motion on his prior shooting. It sounds like to me, it's not real clear. We didn't do a motion on his 2015 conviction. I didn't realize until it was rolling and you hear it's actually being spoken that he does reference some police contact in 2015. And I do realize he was convicted of that. I didn't know or recognize that that was in there. If the court wants to, since we're past that portion where he talks about it, we can have somebody redact the audio-
Judge Kierny (29:16):
That goes back.
Marc DiGiacomo (29:17):
... so that the one that goes back to the jury removes the reference to the 2015 conviction, because he talks about, "The last time I was in the feds" or, "The last time I was in prison," and then he mentions 2015. And that has to do with an event that's completely unrelated to our investigation. I just didn't realize. I didn't tie those two together until I heard the audio being played with the transcript running.
Judge Kierny (29:42):
So we'll have that redacted when it does go back in case they spend more time with it. Mr. Sanft, what is the proposed instruction that you would like at this time for me to read to the jury when they walk in?
Michael Sanft (29:53):
You're asking me to put words together?
Judge Kierny (29:54):
Yeah. That's your job.
Michael Sanft (29:56):
I know.
Judge Kierny (29:56):
That's what you're good at.
Michael Sanft (29:57):
It is my job. Here's my famous people [inaudible 00:30:00].
Judge Kierny (30:01):
I'll let Colleen make a proposal.
Michael Sanft (30:03):
Yes.
Binu Palal (30:03):
Your Honor, I would think it'd be something along the line-
Judge Kierny (30:05):
I'm going to let him propose it.
Marc DiGiacomo (30:06):
Okay.
Michael Sanft (30:07):
Yeah, let me propose it.
Binu Palal (30:09):
All right, then we can have some discussions about what it actually is that is-
Judge Kierny (30:13):
Okay, let him propose it and then you can object, but I think it's cleaner for the record if he proposes it.
Binu Palal (30:19):
I don't know that it matters for Tavares, but okay.
Judge Kierny (30:19):
Huh?
Binu Palal (30:22):
I don't think it matters for the purposes of Tavares, but okay.
Judge Kierny (30:24):
This isn't a Tavares instruction. The Tavares instruction's already been determined, because this isn't something that's being let in for the purposes that I had let in bad acts. This is something that they're asking just to disregard.
Marc DiGiacomo (30:35):
And that's only the 2015.
Binu Palal (30:36):
Yeah.
Judge Kierny (30:36):
Correct.
Marc DiGiacomo (30:38):
The shooting should still come in because the court ruled upon that.
Binu Palal (30:40):
Yeah, that's what I though we were talking about.
Judge Kierny (30:43):
So the shooting is there for credibility of the statements of defendant, motive and identity?
Binu Palal (30:47):
Yes.
Marc DiGiacomo (30:47):
In his book, he starts off with, "My first criminal conviction is shooting into an occupied house" and describes the event. That comes in. What shouldn't come in, and if he wants a limiting instruction on, is the 2015. I don't know if they would want a limiting instruction since we're going to redact the audio before the jury gets it. We'll also redact the transcript before the jury gets it. So I don't know if he wants to draw attention because they may not have caught.
Judge Kierny (31:14):
I'm going to let them talk and then I'll let you guys weigh in.
Michael Sanft (31:19):
I do have one other further matter, Your Honor.
Judge Kierny (31:21):
Okay.
Michael Sanft (31:21):
If we're done with this particular issue. The other issue is this: with regards to Mr. Dorsey's testimony, we have a record from Detective Mock who interviews Mr. Dorsey prior to his testimony. His testimony, though, on the stand really made things a little bit more easier to understand in terms of how his relation is with this case. In essence, what happens is that BET is asked by the district attorney's office to produce documents. Maybe it was through MOG, maybe MOG is the one who does it.
(31:55)
But in either event, BET says, "Okay, here's what we're going to produce." And they produce the actual, finished product as their production. They don't want to introduce B rolls. They don't do anything other than that. And they basically said, "That's all we've got." I think Mr. Diaz or Rios or whatever his name was prior to this had said something along the same lines that, "Hey, this is just how they do." The problem with what we're doing now is this: Mr. Dorsey gets up there and testifies and he says, "Look, my job, from what I understand, was to listen into the interview that's being conducted between Mr. Davis and the interviewer," whoever that person is. And he's supposed to be there to really make sure that Mr. Davis is not lying or saying something that's off from what he understands the 2008 proffer session to be, the recording.
(32:46)
Here's the problem with it: at the end of what he does, and what he's proposed now and what the State is now using, is surreptitious recordings in between the official recordings by BET. Now what does that mean? That means that while Mr. Davis is sitting in that room, he's sitting in that room to be an interviewer; and at some point he's-
Michael Sanft (33:00):
... sitting in that room. He's sitting in that room with the interviewer, and at some point he's going to be asking for breaks. He's going to be asking for time to talk to somebody else, which we understand it to be Wayne Higgins, his attorney.
Judge Carli Kierny (33:10):
His attorney.
Michael Sanft (33:11):
Those conversations are not hot mic conversations. They are conversations between attorney and client. And there is a reasonable expectation of privacy there because of the fact that it's done off-camera because BET does not record it. And on top of it, too, that as that's happening, they're talking in the tone. They're not yelling and screaming it out loud, but they're talking in a tone to say, "Hey, what do we do here?" Whatever the issues are. I think those parts of this recording that Mr... What's his name again?
Speaker 7 (33:41):
Dorsey.
Michael Sanft (33:42):
Dorsey had done, thank you, had done, I think those are the parts that need to be included from the jury's understanding because here's the thing, I understand he's not a state actor. I understand that it doesn't fall under this idea of, "Hey, well, he wasn't ordered by a detective to do that." And Dupree is definitely not a detective at this inaudible 00:01:02]. However, it is still a private in California to record some of these conversations that they believe is private. Regardless of if we're in a room and having a conversation, if I'm having a conversation with this individual sitting right next to me, and I believe that is private under California law, that is still illegally obtained material.
Judge Carli Kierny (34:22):
But ultimately, the remedy for a private actor acting in a nefarious, illegal, whatever you want to call it, way is not exclusion against the state because the state's not the actor doing that. So that was sort of my comment when it was brought up that way. I think the attorney-client privilege argument is definitely more interesting and is new or any final word on that before I turn to Mr. DiGiacomo?
Michael Sanft (34:46):
Well, I mean, because here's the issue that we have. Right now, what we have is an individual who basically takes his iPhone out, puts it down on a speaker next to where he's at. He's hiding in a room to avoid detection by Mr. Davis, and he's recording the entire time. You hear other people communicating or having some type of discussion on top of his recording, which means that it's done openly in front of this mic or wherever he's at. He doesn't see a screen or monitor. He doesn't know what is being recorded or not. He just records the whole thing.
(35:18)
The concern that I have with it is right now, as we're watching and listening to what's being played by the state, we don't see where exactly it is that they're going to bring in the parts that are not in the transcripts that we have from the recording that's the official BET offering versus the stuff that they have that would have the additional thing on top of it, the surreptitious recording by Mr. Dorsey.
Judge Carli Kierny (35:42):
Okay. State?
Marc DiGiacomo (35:44):
Two things. Mr. Dorsey had a transcript of his recordings that has been provided to the defense.
Judge Carli Kierny (35:52):
Okay.
Marc DiGiacomo (35:53):
And there's a transcript of the official BET recordings, which, if you notice while listening to it, even the BET transcripts does not pick up background conversations or transcribed background conversations between other people when Mr. Diaz is asking questions.
Judge Carli Kierny (36:09):
Okay.
Marc DiGiacomo (36:09):
Mr. Dorsey will testify, because I specifically had asked him about the attorney-client thing, he will testify at no point in time when Mr. Davis is talking to Mr. Higgins is there not a third party present from eOne Entertainment. So there is no privileged communication that occurs between Mr. Davis and his attorney. Even at one point you're going to hear Mr. Davis say, "Hey, hold on. This is a hot mic."
Judge Carli Kierny (36:35):
Let's bring him in and do a short evidentiary hearing then on that issue of attorney/client privilege.
Marc DiGiacomo (36:40):
Sure.
Judge Carli Kierny (36:41):
Okay.
Marc DiGiacomo (36:42):
I assume he's back there.
Judge Carli Kierny (36:43):
We'll have Mr. Dorsey come in real quick. We'll have him re-sworn, and then we'll just proceed on this limited issue outside the presence, and then ultimately, I'll make a determination.
(36:51)
I understand it's your proffer, but that's what he's going to say, but I'd rather have it fleshed out.
Michael Sanft (36:59):
That's fine. No problem.
Judge Carli Kierny (37:00):
Bring in Mr. Dorsey. Just Mr. Dorsey. No jurors. No jurors yet.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
That's what I heard. Even though [inaudible 00:37:05]. That's when I had it [inaudible 00:37:27].
Judge Carli Kierny (37:48):
Hey, Mr. Dorsey, we're going to have you sworn real quick. Raise your hand. You do solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give in this action shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Michael Dorsey (37:55):
I do.
Judge Carli Kierny (37:57):
You may be seated. May I have you state and spell your first and last name for the record?
Michael Dorsey (38:05):
Yes, it's Michael Dorsey, M-I-C-H-A-E-L D-O-R-S-E-Y.
Judge Carli Kierny (38:10):
All right. Thanks for coming back, Mr. Dorsey, I hope you had a good weekend.
(38:14)
We just needed to do a quick outside the presence of the earing so I can determine the legality of some things that are coming in, okay?
Michael Dorsey (38:21):
Sure.
Judge Carli Kierny (38:21):
Or potentially not coming in. So I'll let Mr. DiGiacomo ask him some questions about the issue we brought up.
Marc DiGiacomo (38:28):
Thank you. Mr. Dorsey, I know there's times on this recording where you capture conversations that involve the defendant and Wayne Higgins.
Michael Dorsey (38:37):
Yes, sir.
Marc DiGiacomo (38:38):
During those conversations, were they ever alone in a room having a conversation? Or was there always a third party present?
Michael Dorsey (38:45):
I believe they were always in the studio and there are, I think most of the time you actually hear Mario talking with them. It's like a three-way conversation. So I understand how privilege works to some extent and it sounded to me like always he was still in the studio, didn't go outside into a hallway. And again, you can hear Wayne Higgins talking with him.
Marc DiGiacomo (39:08):
And not just Mario Diaz. Isn't there a number of people-
Michael Dorsey (39:11):
Yes.
Marc DiGiacomo (39:11):
... to do this production that have to be in that room?
Michael Dorsey (39:13):
Correct. There would've been another producer. There's the sound recorders. There's at least one videographer. There's probably at least a lighting person in there. There's at least a good half dozen people in that room with them.
Marc DiGiacomo (39:24):
And at one point, does Mr. Davis make some comment about, "Hey, careful, this is a hot mic?"
Michael Dorsey (39:29):
He does, yes. He's kind of assuming, "This is a hot mic."
Marc DiGiacomo (39:34):
And so at no point where you're capturing a recording, there's not other people within the... Describe the size of the studio for us.
Michael Dorsey (39:43):
Sure. It's a very small studio. It's probably a quarter of the size of this courtroom.
Marc DiGiacomo (39:49):
So it's a very small room with four or five people where he's having this conversation?
Michael Dorsey (39:53):
That's correct. Yes.
Marc DiGiacomo (39:54):
Nothing further.
Judge Carli Kierny (39:55):
And Mr. Dorsey, where are you when these conversations are taking place?
Michael Dorsey (39:57):
I was in an office down the hall.
Judge Carli Kierny (40:00):
Okay. And so you had eyes on the studio the entire time?
Michael Dorsey (40:02):
I did not have eyes on the studio, no.
Judge Carli Kierny (40:05):
Okay. You could hear people speaking as to everything that was being said in there?
Michael Dorsey (40:10):
Yes.
Judge Carli Kierny (40:10):
And how were you recording again? Remind me.
Michael Dorsey (40:12):
I had a pair of headphones, and I had my phone, and I just hit record and put the headphones on the phone.
Judge Carli Kierny (40:18):
Okay, and so it's essentially the studio audio that you're using?
Michael Dorsey (40:22):
Exactly. The live audio coming right from the studio. Yes.
Judge Carli Kierny (40:25):
So it's a room, are there... Do you know if the studio has signs that they're recording at all times? Like signage that says something like, "This is a Recording Studio. You are [inaudible 00:40:36]," things like that.
Michael Dorsey (40:37):
Yes, recording studios typically have their signs up like that. Plus, of course, he would've signed a release so he knows he's being recorded.
Judge Carli Kierny (40:44):
Okay. Got it. Anything further? Sorry, I sort of hijacked that a little bit, Mr. DiGiacomo.
Marc DiGiacomo (40:49):
Not from the state.
Judge Carli Kierny (40:50):
Mr. Sanft, you may cross.
Michael Sanft (40:52):
Okay. Mr. Dorsey, you've never met Mr. Davis before?
Michael Dorsey (40:55):
We've never met. We've seen each other before.
Michael Sanft (40:57):
Okay. So on the day of the recording, you made it a point to not run into Mr. Davis, fair?
Michael Dorsey (41:03):
Correct.
Michael Sanft (41:04):
You were actually in this other room?
Michael Dorsey (41:06):
That's correct.
Michael Sanft (41:06):
And you're there just with headphones on?
Michael Dorsey (41:08):
Yes.
Michael Sanft (41:09):
So-
Michael Dorsey (41:09):
And I saw him walk by.
Michael Sanft (41:12):
Right.
Michael Dorsey (41:12):
I know he's disagreeing with me right now. I watched him go by.
Michael Sanft (41:13):
Sure. And that's fine.
Michael Dorsey (41:14):
And he looked at me.
Michael Sanft (41:15):
Okay. Are you done with the answer?
Michael Dorsey (41:16):
Yeah, I sure am.
Michael Sanft (41:17):
Okay. Now in terms of your work, I want to make sure I'm clear. Are you working as an employee of BET?
Michael Dorsey (41:25):
No.
Michael Sanft (41:28):
Okay. What are you at that point?
Michael Dorsey (41:29):
I am a contract employee, work for hire as a technical consultant for specifically this production. I'm not hired by BET. I'm hired by the production company.
Michael Sanft (41:38):
By the production company?
Michael Dorsey (41:39):
Yes, sir.
Michael Sanft (41:40):
And that's Entertainment One?
Michael Dorsey (41:41):
Entertainment One and Creature Films, like a subsidiary of Entertainment One.
Michael Sanft (41:45):
All right. And then in terms of your work with Entertainment One, that was bound with a confidentiality agreement, right?
Michael Dorsey (41:51):
Yes.
Michael Sanft (41:52):
Do you have proof right now that you're no longer bound to that agreement?
Michael Dorsey (41:55):
I do. I have a letter from an attorney at Paramount Pictures, which owns BET, approving me sharing my information. And then I also have email from Mark Ford, the head of Creature Films, also saying he had no objection.
Michael Sanft (42:12):
Okay. So in your work with Entertainment One, what you basically do, you have your phone or whatever recording device down next to the monitor in which you're listening to a conversation?
Michael Dorsey (42:22):
Correct.
Michael Sanft (42:22):
You cannot tell us who's where in your recording, correct?
Michael Dorsey (42:26):
Correct.
Michael Sanft (42:27):
You just hear noises, right?
Michael Dorsey (42:28):
That's right.
Michael Sanft (42:29):
Now, in terms of the actual recording itself, as the individual sitting there, are they sitting with mics on their lapels as they're sitting there being interviewed by that person?
Michael Dorsey (42:39):
You mean the person conducting the interview? Is he wearing a mic?
Michael Sanft (42:42):
Is he wearing a mic and is the person that he's interviewing wearing a mic [inaudible 00:42:48]?
Michael Dorsey (42:47):
I don't know if the, Mario Diaz, for example, who's conducting the interview, I don't know if he was wearing a lapel mic, but there would be two mics in the room, minimum. There would be a lapel mic on Keefe, and then there would be a shotgun mic over him that is capturing everything else in the room.
Michael Sanft (43:00):
Right. And so in terms of what you're recording, you don't know, for instance, if the cameras are on and off because you're actually just listening to sound.
Michael Dorsey (43:07):
That's correct.
Michael Sanft (43:09):
And in terms of the interview, you understand that Wayne Higgins was in the room as well as Mr. Davis?
Michael Dorsey (43:16):
Yes. He was there for the entire first interview, and then he was 10 minutes late to the second interview.
Michael Sanft (43:20):
All right. Now, before we were listening to this, are there any moments at all where Mr. Davis is talking loudly during what you would think would be a private conversation?
Michael Dorsey (43:33):
Loudly, he's just using a normal indoor voice is what I would say.
Michael Sanft (43:38):
Okay.
Michael Dorsey (43:38):
And-
Michael Sanft (43:38):
And then when you say that there was this statement that this is a hot mic, fair to say that that was a reminder to whoever he's talking to that, "Hey, this should be kept private?"
Michael Dorsey (43:47):
Correct.
Michael Sanft (43:47):
All right.
Michael Dorsey (43:48):
Yeah.
Michael Sanft (43:48):
So there were times where there was an understanding, or at least an idea that what they were going to have a conversation about was private?
Michael Dorsey (43:54):
There was one time, that was the only time.
Michael Sanft (43:56):
Now, after you had recorded what you did in this case, which is the entire thing.
Michael Dorsey (44:02):
Correct.
Michael Sanft (44:03):
You never had his permission to record all of it, right?
Michael Dorsey (44:06):
I didn't need his permission.
Michael Sanft (44:07):
Why?
Michael Dorsey (44:08):
Because he's there to be recorded. He's got mics on him. He has lights and a camera pointed at him. He's in a production studio. I'm officially hired on as a crew member. I'm allowed to do whatever I want, and-
Michael Sanft (44:19):
No, no, no. Let's back up here, I want to make sure I'm clear.
Michael Dorsey (44:21):
Sure.
Michael Sanft (44:22):
You're a crew member, but you don't own the rights to the production itself, right?
Michael Dorsey (44:25):
Correct.
Michael Sanft (44:26):
And you don't own the rights in terms of what the camera angles are or anything along those lines?
Michael Dorsey (44:30):
That's correct. I could not put this on YouTube and profit from it.
Michael Sanft (44:32):
Okay. Well, back up here again. I want to make sure I'm clear, did you take that audio recording that you made and give it to either Entertainment One or any of the subsidiaries in this case?
Michael Dorsey (44:42):
No.
Michael Sanft (44:43):
Okay. So you basically took something that you didn't have permission to take.
Michael Dorsey (44:46):
That's not true.
Michael Sanft (44:47):
Okay. Well, back up here. Tell me who you got permission from.
Michael Dorsey (44:49):
I didn't need permission. Do you understand? There's no permission needed for that. I'm there to do it. I made the recording because he showed up for the first interview not ready for his interview to be conducted, so I knew it was going to be broken up into two days. So I said, "I'm going to make a recording of this so that I can make sure we ask the correct follow-up questions when we come back." That's the only reason I made this recording.
Michael Sanft (45:10):
But you're not the contract person. You don't have a contract with-
Marc DiGiacomo (45:13):
I apologize. We're way afield of the issue that the court needs to rule upon. And this sounds like cross-examination for a jury.
Michael Sanft (45:22):
Oh, I'll get back into it with the jury. I'm just saying as of right now, Judge, we have a problem with this.
Judge Carli Kierny (45:26):
Overruled.
Michael Sanft (45:28):
Thank you. And just to make sure I'm clear, you take that recording and that's the recording that you're now publishing here for this jury, right?
Michael Dorsey (45:35):
Publishing, no. Playing for the jury, yes. Publishing, it suggests publicly. I'm not putting this out to the public.
Michael Sanft (45:41):
Right. That was a legal terminology, but you're playing that for the jury now.
Michael Dorsey (45:44):
Yes, sir.
Michael Sanft (45:44):
I have no further questions, Your Honor.
Judge Carli Kierny (45:44):
Anything further, State?
Michael Sanft (45:44):
Not from the state.
Judge Carli Kierny (45:51):
All right. In general, the attorney-client privilege under 49.095 is broken when you speak in front of a third party who's unrelated to the legal team. Here, it appears as though Mario, Dorsey and others were potentially present for the conversations. Additionally, the setting of the interview itself does not lend itself to a belief that the conversation would be privileged and/or private. It's a recording studio. The purpose is there to be recorded. A release is signed so that the person can be recorded. The entire room is microphoned up. Additionally, there are microphones on the people participating in the interview. In general, this isn't a situation that would lend itself to private conversations. I think based on the testimony, they are not privileged conversations.
(46:43)
Circling back to the issue regarding the instruction to the jury, Mr. Sanft, is there anything... Did you want me to reread the Tavares instruction, which I can add something related to the unrelated shooting to? The proposal for that would be this, you have heard testimony regarding drug trafficking, conspiracy, a federal conviction, gang affiliation, and an unrelated shooting.
Marc DiGiacomo (47:09):
Judge, that's not an unrelated shooting. In 2015, he lets the cops come into his house, and they find a gun, and I think some drugs. And that's what he goes to prison on in 2015. The shooting he's talking about is his teenage shooting that's written about in his book. So Mr. Sanft was conflating the two.
Judge Carli Kierny (47:31):
Okay.
Marc DiGiacomo (47:32):
The 2015, I believe [inaudible 00:47:33]-
Judge Carli Kierny (47:32):
So how about instead of federal conviction, prior criminal convictions?
Marc DiGiacomo (47:37):
A conviction in 2015? Because that's the only one that wasn't part of the motion.
Judge Carli Kierny (47:43):
My point is saying that it was unrelated is saying that it's unrelated to this incident.
Marc DiGiacomo (47:47):
Correct, an unrelated 2015 incident.
Judge Carli Kierny (47:50):
Okay. So what's your proposal, Mr. Sanft? I saw you had a piece of paper.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yes, Your Honor. Myself and the defense team worked on that Tavares instruction that says, "You are instructed that any testimony and/or evidence introduced about any unrelated shootings and/or murders is not admitted and should not be considered for propensity purposes, but instead for the purposes of motive, intent, or to establish the credibility of defendant's statements."
Judge Carli Kierny (48:22):
It's not only not to be considered for propensity. It's not to be considered for any outside thing, other than those narrow exceptions that we've delineated.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Okay. The propensity purposes was the...
Judge Carli Kierny (48:33):
So if you're okay with that, Defense?
Speaker 4 (48:36):
No.
Judge Carli Kierny (48:36):
You want to add or any other purpose somewhere? Okay.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah. We can add [inaudible 00:48:39].
Judge Carli Kierny (48:40):
Okay. Let them add that, and then bring it up to me, and I'll use that as my master. And we'll ultimately end up giving this instruction to the jury in their packet.
Michael Sanft (48:46):
Thank you, Your Honor.
Judge Carli Kierny (48:48):
So that's your suggestion and that is granted, Mr. Sanft, as soon as Ms. Pandukht finishes looking at it. Almost there, Mr. Dorsey.
Michael Dorsey (49:08):
Great.
Judge Carli Kierny (49:09):
Give us a minute.
Michael Dorsey (49:09):
I'm fine. I'm fine.
Judge Carli Kierny (49:10):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
[inaudible 00:49:17] disagree [inaudible 00:49:18].
Marc DiGiacomo (49:43):
We instructed that any testimony and/or evidence introduced about... Too many?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
[inaudible 00:49:55].
Marc DiGiacomo (49:55):
Take the two out. Yeah, any unrelated shootings and murders that is not admitted should not be considered by you for propensity or other purposes, except for the purposes of motive, intent or to establish the credibility of the defendant's statements. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
[inaudible 00:50:33].
Marc DiGiacomo (50:33):
Let's see if you can read it, Judge. It's some Binu's, some Taleen's handwriting.
Judge Carli Kierny (50:33):
God, yes.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Do you to read it?
Judge Carli Kierny (50:35):
Oh, gosh. You should both be doctors here.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
I know. I'll rewrite it for you.
Judge Carli Kierny (50:38):
No, it's okay.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
You sure?
Judge Carli Kierny (50:40):
I think I got it.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Okay. [inaudible 00:50:44].
Group (50:40):
[inaudible 00:50:46].
Judge Carli Kierny (50:59):
Okay. So this is what I'm going to read. Tell me if there's an objection. You are instructed that any testimony and/or evidence introduced about any unrelated shootings and/or murders is not admitted and should not be considered by you for propensity or any other purpose. It is admitted only for the purposes of motive, intent, or to establish the credibility of defendant's statements. Any objection?
Marc DiGiacomo (51:17):
No.
Judge Carli Kierny (51:19):
Perfect. All right. I can read it. So as soon as we bring the jury in, I'll apologize for being a little bit late. My fault. And then I will read them the limiting instruction and we'll get going.
Marc DiGiacomo (51:30):
Should we leave Mr. Dorsey on the stand?
Judge Carli Kierny (51:30):
Yeah, I think so.
Marc DiGiacomo (51:30):
Okay.
Judge Carli Kierny (51:37):
All right. So as soon as that jury's ready to go, we'll go.
Speaker 5 (51:53):
Stand for the jury.
Speaker 8 (51:53):
[inaudible 00:52:16].
Speaker 5 (51:53):
[inaudible 00:52:17].
Judge Carli Kierny (52:22):
Do the parties stipulate to the presence of the jury?
Speaker 6 (52:24):
Yes, Your Honor.
Judge Carli Kierny (52:28):
You may be seated. All right. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. I hope you had a good weekend. I apologize for the delay. We had a legal issue that I did need to decide before we brought you in, so I do appreciate your patience in that matter.
(52:41)
There's a limiting instruction that I need to read to you, and then we're going to resume with Mr. Dorsey's testimony. You are instructed that any testimony and/or evidence introduced about any unrelated shootings and/or murders is not admitted and should not be considered by you for propensity or any other purposes. It is admitted only for the purpose of motive, intent, or to establish the credibility of the defendant's statements. All right, Mr. DiGiacomo, Mr. Dorsey has already been sworn. And so you may proceed.
Marc DiGiacomo (53:08):
Thank you. Mr. Dorsey, in that first portion, the first 35:17, and we're about to get back to it. Let me ask you this, after 2019, did you become aware that Mr. Davis published a book?
Michael Dorsey (53:23):
Yes.
Marc DiGiacomo (53:25):
Did you read the book?
Michael Dorsey (53:26):
I did.
Marc DiGiacomo (53:27):
Were there historical facts he provided you in 2017 that were included within that book?
Michael Dorsey (53:35):
Yes, there were biographical facts from his childhood. They were in both.
Marc DiGiacomo (53:39):
And do you recall what those various biographical background-
Michael Dorsey (53:42):
I do.
Marc DiGiacomo (53:43):
... if you could tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury.
Michael Dorsey (53:44):
Sure. One of the stories was how his first time hanging out with the Crips when he was nine years old and he was shooting dice and his dad drove by and saw him and ended up punishing him for that.
(53:56)
He talked about playing Pop Warner football with Suge Knight. And not just that, but also he talked about going to Suge's house after they would win for parties in their backyard, like pool parties. He talked about a baseball coach at the Compton College who was dealing drugs. I think Keefe was in middle school and he started running as a courier for that guy. It was his first introduction to the drug game.
(54:23)
He talked about being in the Upward Bound program at UCLA. There may have been one other detail in there, but all details that I have only ever heard in that interview and read in his book, so I concluded that the author could have only gotten those from him.
Marc DiGiacomo (54:39):
All right, Judge. I'm going to do a little bit to fast-forward this to 35:17 I think we were at.
Judge Carli Kierny (54:50):
We put on record when you paused it, did you write that down?
Marc DiGiacomo (54:54):
It was 35:17 was where we paused it.
Judge Carli Kierny (54:56):
Okay.
Marc DiGiacomo (54:56):
And so I'm trying to get there. This program doesn't make it real easy to just jump that far.
Judge Carli Kierny (55:01):
Sounds good.
AUDIO (55:04):
Davis: [inaudible 00:55:06].
Marc DiGiacomo (55:06):
Went a little too far.
AUDIO (55:17):
Davis: [inaudible 00:55:18]. Growing up, I think what it was [inaudible 00:55:20]-
Marc DiGiacomo (55:17):
[inaudible 00:55:19].
AUDIO (55:17):
Davis: ... growing up [inaudible 00:55:22].
Marc DiGiacomo (55:17):
So here's the problem, [inaudible 00:55:27].
AUDIO (55:26):
Davis: I guess it was-
Marc DiGiacomo (55:27):
Sorry, Judge. The transcript won't come up if I don't start it at... [inaudible 00:55:33].
Judge Carli Kierny (55:33):
Start it over?
Marc DiGiacomo (55:35):
I'm not starting it over. I just have to roll from here to wherever we're going. So I'm just going to have to guess and hopefully we're close.
AUDIO (55:44):
Davis: No, we had ran into him at the House of Blues.
Marc DiGiacomo (55:50):
Sorry. One more time here. [inaudible 00:55:54]. We may just have to listen to a little bit more than we...
AUDIO (56:05):
Davis: Because that night, it seemed like the dude stuck his head up my ass. You know what I'm saying? He's a special agent in charge of the major crime unit. And ever since that night, that he was going to make my life a literal [inaudible 00:56:26]. I did five and a half, that mother fucker came up there at least ten times.
Marc DiGiacomo (56:36):
I'm going to stop this. Before his interview in 2017, had you ever heard of Special Agent [inaudible 00:56:46]?
Michael Dorsey (56:46):
I don't think so. I don't remember hearing much about the federal investigations into him. That was new information to me.
AUDIO (57:11):
Davis: Told the warden, "Who do you got up here, he's a serial killer." I'm like, "Oh, fuck" You know what I'm saying? He killed them rappers.
(57:22)
Diaz: [inaudible 00:57:24]. How did it evolve. You guys were cool and then you hung out a lot together?
(57:22)
Davis: When he'd come to California, we used to meet up and have fun. I was a baller, I had millions. In fact, I was doing better than him back then, shit. Having fun homie.
(57:22)
Diaz: Did he ever talk about Suge? Did he ever talk about getting scared?
(57:45)
Davis: [inaudible 00:57:46].
(57:45)
Diaz: I said, did he ever talk about Suge? Did he ever talk about being scared of all the bullshit going back and forth with East Coast/West Coast shit?
(57:56)
Davis: He didn't talk about that until later on in our relationship.
Marc DiGiacomo (57:59):
That's right.
AUDIO (58:00):
Diaz: That's what I mean. When did we get to that spot, that place where you guys were talking about that?
(58:07)
Davis: Yeah, me and my boy Zip was rolling up, we was going to the club one night, rolling up green leaf in the neighborhood and his phone rang. And he was like, "Uh..." I guess they must of fucking planned it or something, I don't know. He was like, "Man, why don't you speak to Keefe." So I got on the phone and was like, "What's up, dog?" He's like, "Man, I'm giving a concert out there, going on tour with the West Coast." He asked me, "Think it's cool to come out there?" And I said, "Why wouldn't it be cool?" He was like, "The big CEO guy." "The CEO guy?" And he's like, "Yeah, the big guy." And I didn't know what he was talking about, it was like a code word for Suge. So I guess he was kind of scared of the guy. So, we went to the Irvine Meadows, it was Summer Jam. Went to that concert-
Marc DiGiacomo (58:46):
Oh, be sure to find that.
AUDIO (59:17):
Davis: ... and Biggie had the hottest song out in the world, you know what I'm saying? And shit, I think... That song was One More Chance. We were boogieing on the stage and Suge was right there. When I came off the stage he asked me, "How do you know them?" "The same way I know you." [inaudible 00:59:31]. Shit then after that we went to the San Diego concert, there were a lot of brawls. As a matter of fact the Dallas Cowboys stayed in the same hotel we stayed in. So that was cool-
Marc DiGiacomo (59:47):
God, he's down to all the safety jails. He did this 10 years ago. It's amazing.
AUDIO (59:47):
Davis: ... Deion Sanders, Aikman, and all of them. [inaudible 00:59:48] were all around [inaudible 00:59:48] for the Dallas Cowboys. We were rooting for Troy Aikman.
Marc DiGiacomo (59:47):
[inaudible 00:59:48].
AUDIO (59:47):
Davis: He said, "I don't know if we're going to get you in trouble or not, Troy, the [inaudible 00:59:48] was all around the..." Then we went to Anaheim and that was on the Halloween night.
Marc DiGiacomo (59:58):
Perfect. Halloween.
AUDIO (01:00:15):
Davis: And Halloween night, it was cool there too.
(01:00:15)
Diaz: And he'd just give you passes for everyone? Everyone would go to concerts.
(01:00:21)
Davis: We would all just go give the tickets to the little homies. I was riding in the van. I was on the stage with him every time.
(01:00:26)
Diaz: Did you get to hang out with Biggie, obviously, right?
(01:00:32)
Davis: Yeah. Yeah. Biggie was cool. A cool dude and [inaudible 01:00:36].
(01:00:32)
Diaz: So when did Puffy start talking about Suge on a real serious level?
(01:00:44)
Davis: [inaudible 01:00:52].
(01:00:44)
Speaker 16: [inaudible 01:00:57].
(01:00:44)
Davis: Yeah, we already established that.
(01:01:03)
Diaz: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(01:01:03)
Davis: Now what did you say?
(01:01:03)
Diaz: I said, when did he start talking about Suge on a real serious level? Puffy.
(01:01:13)
Davis: Oh, being scared of Suge?
(01:01:14)
Diaz: Well, or doing something more than that.
(01:01:15)
Davis: I ain't really comfortable with talking about that right now. When you see me in that suit, you got me. All right?
(01:01:25)
Diaz: Okay.
(01:01:25)
Davis: I'm ready to talk that out.
(01:01:25)
Diaz: So let's take a break. You can go smoke. Can you be back here in 10 minutes? I want to get more before the two o'clock deadline.
(01:01:42)
Davis: Yeah. Yeah. You got to get me through my wife because she did take me back. I might've not been here.
(01:01:49)
Diaz: What do you mean? Do you want me to-
(01:01:50)
Davis: I said I might've not been here for [inaudible 01:01:53].
(01:01:50)
Diaz: Oh, of course. Yeah-
(01:01:50)
Davis: [inaudible 01:01:54].
(01:01:50)
Diaz: because she's not down there with you, right? She's in the hotel?
(01:01:57)
Davis: Yes.
(01:01:57)
Diaz: Oh, okay. I though you meant like-
(01:01:58)
Davis: Well, I've got to take care of her.
(01:02:00)
Diaz: Yeah, of course.
(01:02:00)
Davis: [inaudible 01:02:02].
(01:02:00)
Diaz: After lunch, we'll do a little more and then you're done.
(01:02:03)
Davis: Okay.
(01:02:03)
Diaz: Okay?
(01:02:03)
Davis: All right. I'm going to smoke really quick though.
(01:02:03)
Diaz. Is that cool?
(01:02:03)
Davis: [Inaudible 01:02:04] watching you. [inaudible 01:02:20] watching you. [inaudible 01:02:24].
Marc DiGiacomo (01:02:25):
Mr. Dorsey, is that an example where maybe the tape was running before you now restarted your recorder?
Michael Dorsey (01:02:31):
Correct. Yeah.
Marc DiGiacomo (01:02:31):
And that is 35:32, Judge.
Judge Carli Kierny (01:02:31):
Okay.
AUDIO (01:02:32):
Davis: [inaudible 01:02:34] rid of his problem.
(01:02:34)
Diaz: Well, can you tell me what he told you? His exact words, do you remember?
(01:02:58)
Davis: We're going to do that on the next one, when I have that free suit on. All right?
(01:02:59)
Diaz: All right. Hold on. So say it in your own words then, not his words. What did he ask you to do?
(01:03:03)
Davis: Hmm?
(01:03:04)
Diaz: Say it in your own words then, not his words. What did he want?
(01:03:08)
Davis: I guess he wanted to get rid of them dudes, it was problems, he wanted to get rid of his problems.
(01:03:13)
Diaz: And who were his problems?
(01:03:17)
Davis: The CEO. The big guy. Yeah.
(01:03:20)
Diaz: And when did... Because you said Hit Em Up was a big deal for him, right?
(01:03:25)
Davis: Hell yeah, that one-
(01:03:25)
Diaz: ... That was Tupac too.
(01:03:25)
Davis: Man, that was totally disrespect. You don't think so?
(01:03:26)
Diaz: Yeah, totally.
(01:03:28)
Davis: Yeah. I mean, I think he even said something about us. To me, he didn't say our names, but he said, "Whoever down with him, fuck them too." I'm like, "Damn."
(01:03:39)
Diaz: So you guys were cool with that, with helping him?
(01:03:47)
Davis: No. We had ran into him at the House of Blues. This is Pac, ran into him at the House of Blues. Him and the guy Big Syke on the Outlawz. And he had just made that record. Long Beach and Rosecrans. One little homies went up there and-
(01:03:53)
Speaker 17: God damn, shut the fuck up.
(01:03:53)
Davis: ... put him in a little thing right here to say, "Man, you know what the fuck that means, Long Beach and Rosecrans?" He was like, "Nah, I'm just rapping." And Sykes was like, "Yeah, he just rapping, man. He don't know nothing about that it stands for Blood, mother fucker. Stop, brother." So he was kind of scared that night. And we go out in the parking lot and whooped about five mother fucker's asses. You know what I'm saying? And he got into it with some dudes out there in the parking lot. And when he seen that shit, he was like, "Yo, them dudes ain't no joke."
(01:04:58)
Diaz: Sorry about that guys. So how much did Puffy offer you?
(01:05:01)
Davis: Hmm?
(01:05:02)
Diaz: How much did Puff offer you? Wayne's going to give the green light, right?
(01:05:09)
Davis: I'll have a good answer for you when I have on that suit on. I'm going to think it through for you, exactly, you know what I'm saying, the [inaudible 01:05:23].
(01:05:16)
Diaz: But he offered you... Can you just say he offered us some money or something like that? Can you say, that it was money at least?
(01:05:25)
Davis: Yeah. It was money, yeah. He offered us money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was kind of scared of that. He was really scared of those dudes, you know what I'm saying? Because Puff was no gang member, he was out of college and [inaudible 01:05:42] art school and all that shit. He ain't with that street life. But the real beef Suge should have had was, it should have been with Wu-Tang. Because Wu-Tang and them were the ones acting a fool at the Source [inaudible 01:05:50], they was calling him out. [inaudible 01:06:00] picking on some fucking kids, the Junior M.A.F.I.A., these are kids. [inaudible 01:06:04]...
Audio: Davis (01:06:00):
... picking with some fucking kids, junior mafia, you scared, these are kids, you're a grown ass man. You know what I'm saying? The beef should have been with the Wu-Tang, but he wanted to take it out on the bad boys, some kids, start-up with them, and push his weight around.
Audio: Diaz (01:06:17):
Well, that's because Tupac was having that shit-
Audio: Davis (01:06:23):
With Biggie, yeah, he was literally-
Audio: Diaz (01:06:24):
Suge hooked up with Tupac and said, "All right, we're going against these guys."
Audio: Davis (01:06:28):
This before he got out of jail though. Remember, the Source Awards, he was like, [inaudible 01:06:32] he ain't got no love for the West Coast. Saying that shit. All that shit, really I felt it was a jealousy thing. He should have just been happy, Suge should have been happy, you making money and this dude's making money. Be proud of each other. You know what I'm saying? What the fuck you want to bring each other down for?
Audio: Diaz (01:06:54):
So why did you want to get involved in that beef?
Audio: Davis (01:07:15):
I didn't want to get involved in that shit. They brought it to us. You bring something to the gangsters, I told you that earlier, get your cap pilled.
Audio: Diaz (01:07:15):
Yeah, I hear you. Is it true that Biggie and those guys from Badboy used to hang out?
Audio: Davis (01:07:19):
No, they never been to Compton, man, it was all lies, dude.
Audio: Diaz (01:07:29):
Never?
Audio: Davis (01:07:31):
Really. They had some bad cops around on Suge.
Audio: Diaz (01:07:34):
I read something about them hanging out in your girl's house in California Street.
Audio: Davis (01:07:39):
They never, never-
Audio: Diaz (01:07:39):
No pictures of that-
Audio: Davis (01:07:39):
Never, never hung out there, I promise you.
Audio: Diaz (01:07:50):
So let's cut to, let's talk about Orlando. We have 10 minutes before we cut out for lunch. So I wanted to know who your nephew is. Not a lot of stuff about him. Who is he? How old is he? Kind of family? Tell me a little bit about him.
Audio: Davis (01:08:06):
He [inaudible 01:08:07]
Audio: Diaz (01:08:06):
Who are we talking about?
Audio: Davis (01:08:06):
He's well respected, intelligent.
Audio: Diaz (01:08:06):
Who, Orlando?
Audio: Davis (01:08:06):
Orlando. My nephew, Orlando. Well respected, good student at school, everybody loved him. You know what I'm saying? He's just a likable guy, everybody loved Orlando. He liked Tupac too. You know what I'm saying? [inaudible 01:08:07]
Audio: Diaz (01:08:06):
So what got him involved in gang life?
Audio: Davis (01:08:06):
Gang life?
Audio: Diaz (01:08:40):
Yeah. Was he involved in gang life at all?
Audio: Davis (01:08:40):
No, he wasn't no gang banger.
Audio: Diaz (01:08:40):
That's good.
Audio: Davis (01:08:40):
Told you there's a difference between a gangster and a gang banger.
Audio: Diaz (01:08:54):
You want to talk to me about what happened at Lakewood Mall with Trevon Lane, the thing about the chain?
Audio: Davis (01:08:55):
Okay. I wasn't there.
Audio: Diaz (01:08:55):
Yeah, I know, but you can tell me the story because there's only so many people who know it.
Audio: Davis (01:08:55):
Okay. The guy, one of my little homies, he wanted to play college football for Arizona on a scholarship. He was at the mall. He wanted to help him get some stuff, like tennis shoes and sweats and all of the stuff so he could [inaudible 01:08:56] So he was there waiting on me. And then the homies come up there and Trevon, and the three Death Row guys were there. I guess, they was mad dogging him and talking shit to him and shit like that. Shit. So the homies came in the door, and he seen them.
Audio: Diaz (01:09:49):
Nice.
Audio: Davis (01:09:49):
First thing they do is sock the dude there and snatched his chain. Orlando never snatched that guy's chain. Never. Marcus snatched his chain. Chain was worth fucking but $300, that petty ass bullshit ass chain. They snatched a little ... It wasn't even like this. That fucking chain, talking about some bounty on that little punk ass chain. Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (01:10:01):
So there was a bounty on him?.
Audio: Davis (01:10:17):
Yeah, that little punk ass chain, homie, come on.
Audio: Diaz (01:10:20):
So he didn't do it?
Audio: Davis (01:10:21):
Orlando did not snatch that man's chain.
Audio: Diaz (01:10:24):
Why is it that Tupac then saw him and said that's the guy who snatched my chain?
Audio: Davis (01:10:32):
All this stuff was building up. It just went from the mall. One day we was on Sunset. And Suge pulled up in his Rolls Royce. Him, Snoop Dogg was in the black one, Tupac was in the white. I think we was at the Roxy, that was where we went to. They pulled up in their Rolls Royces at this bar. 30, 40 Crips out there. And he yelled out, "Keefe D." I'm like, "Oh shit." He jumped out of his car and talking to me. Suge, he was like, "Is it cracking up here?" Like, "Nah, dog." He said, "Well, Paradise is cracking." It's a club right there on Hyatt in Santa Monica. Went around there. Shit, when, we hit that street there on Santa Monica, some dudes just started shooting. Shot up Suge's Rolls Royce. Little Red's godfather was laying in the street. I guess he figured that we was behind that too. You know what I'm saying? No. We was with you, going over to [inaudible 01:11:30] There's all kind of little different angles on that shit. And it just went from all that.
Audio: Diaz (01:11:50):
So talk to me about, because I'm really interested in knowing about that a little more, how does the gang stuff feature into the story? How was it building is I guess what my question is? The mall thing, you just told me about Suge, what else, what else was building up?
Audio: Davis (01:12:13):
We seen them brawls at Lunas Park, a little club on Santa Monica and Robertson. And them brawls just talking shit. And we just kind of pushed them around. We didn't beat their ass or nothing. We just let them know, they fucked up. And this town always been our town. The Crips. They know they outnumbered. You know what I'm saying? Because I just left the state prison and I was a Mac rep up there. It was 51 Crips, four Bloods. You know what I'm saying? So they know they outnumbered and they can't win out here. The Crips are more dominant than they are and they know that.
Audio: Diaz (01:13:05):
But what made it kind of tense, because before Death Row, there was always tension, right?
Audio: Davis (01:13:13):
Between Crips and Bloods?
Audio: Diaz (01:13:14):
Yeah.
Audio: Davis (01:13:15):
Yeah, our neighborhood's always been into it because we on the same side of town. You know what I'm saying? Like the Lewis Park, Mob, the Ams. They go against the boys on Alondra. You know what I'm saying? But we always been dominant over them. You know what I'm saying? That's why I don't understand Chris Brown, Justin Beiber. And what's the other dude name? What's the tall, skinny guy that came in Compton the other week? What's that tall dude's name? Came to Fruit Town.
Audio: Diaz (01:13:48):
Lamar?
Audio: Davis (01:13:50):
No. What's his name? He owned that Love and Hollywood show. Soulja Boy. I just don't understand them. Because you can fucking get in trouble out here. Go to that state prison. Crips is going to rape y'all ass. Justin Bieber, Chris Brown. You know what I'm saying? Y'all tripping, homie.
Audio: Diaz (01:14:15):
Yo, but I'm just trying to understand what happened back then. Back then, was it that they got cocky, is that what happened because they were with Suge?
Audio: Davis (01:14:21):
Hmm?
Audio: Diaz (01:14:23):
Is it that they got cocky, is that what happened because they were with Suge?
Audio: Davis (01:14:35):
I guess, money get you cocky. I guess, money get you cocky. You know what I'm saying? They even beat up a Rollin' 60 and killed the guy at the club. DJ Quik and all them jumped on the dude and all that shit. That's what I figured that shooting was about on Santa Monica that day when this happened in the street I was just telling you about. Damn. I guess, they going to get his ass.
Audio: Diaz (01:14:47):
So this is more gang related than we think, it's not just East Coast-West Coast shit.
Audio: Davis (01:14:47):
[inaudible 01:15:08] You know what I'm saying? Because this is mafia shit, man. [inaudible 01:15:22] you feel me?
Audio: Diaz (01:14:47):
Yeah. Yeah. [inaudible 01:15:46]
Audio: Davis (01:16:02):
I was just a street man and he was just the studio man business wise. Damn. The FBI thing hit that because he stopped being the boss. That's why he jumped on it so fast. I can't really put him out there like that because he's still out there. You know what I'm saying? Our families go back since the '30s. You know what I'm saying?
Audio: Diaz (01:16:10):
Yeah.
Audio: Davis (01:16:21):
And he ain't no [inaudible 01:16:22]
Audio: Diaz (01:16:22):
Yeah, no, no, no. But I mean, Suge might be in jail for the rest of his life.
Audio: Davis (01:16:32):
Yeah, yeah, he might. No, I think the police are going to start [inaudible 01:16:35] All of them going to go around, all them crooked cops and shit. We was really up against it, homie. One in the city of Compton, they got Reggie Wright, Reggie Jr. Sergeant Reynolds, the Mayor, all these dirty motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? So we was going to eventually have to have some shootouts with them motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? They just got busted too.
Audio: Diaz (01:16:59):
I know.
Audio: Davis (01:17:00):
I loved it, I was like, "Yeah." They didn't get the main one though. They didn't get the main fucking dude. He just running around, he still a cop too.
Audio: Diaz (01:17:08):
They got Reggie and his dad.
Audio: Davis (01:17:10):
Huh?
Audio: Diaz (01:17:10):
They got Reggie and his dad.
Audio: Davis (01:17:11):
I said they didn't get the main one, his name Reynolds.
Audio: Diaz (01:17:13):
Oh really?
Audio: Davis (01:17:13):
Sergeant Reynolds. Pulled over my 60 kgs. He's making my life miserable as hell. [inaudible 01:17:19] Dirty motherfucker. They didn't get his ass.
Audio: Diaz (01:17:26):
That precinct was dirty as fuck.
Audio: Davis (01:17:28):
Yes it was. And we lived out there with him. Even the mayor, councilmen, we up there eating at IHOP, me and Lane, and here come the mayor. Man, you better sit your ass down, fool, he'll kill your ass. You know what I'm saying? Stupid bitch. That dude was stupid. Wasn't that Bradley? Omar Bradley. Yeah. That dude was stupid, homie.
Audio: Diaz (01:17:55):
Let's eat some food, man. All right, thank you guys. We're back in 45. Are you leaving?
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
No. [inaudible 01:18:09]
Audio: Diaz (01:18:08):
They're looking dapper.
Audio: Davis (01:18:09):
Wait till you see mussels, homie.
Audio: Diaz (01:18:14):
Thanks.
Audio: Davis (01:18:15):
All right.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
You got a big murder rap?
Audio: Diaz (01:18:24):
Yeah.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Can I see?
Audio: Diaz (01:18:24):
Yeah.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
[inaudible 01:18:26]
Audio: Diaz (01:18:25):
Oh yeah. Okay. Where are we eating? Oh, it's in there. Okay.
Audio: Davis (01:18:27):
You talking about Craig [inaudible 01:18:32]
Speaker 9 (01:19:33):
Once again, Mr. Darcy, and that's around 52 minutes, there's a break where you missed some of the transcript, what the transcript shows.
Mr Darcy (01:19:39):
Correct. Yes.
Audio: Davis (01:19:39):
[inaudible 01:19:45] go back in and drank and shit and party and then fight and shit.
Audio: Diaz (01:19:39):
And then what happened?
Audio: Davis (01:19:39):
What did you say?
Audio: Diaz (01:19:57):
Then what happened?
Audio: Davis (01:19:59):
Then I'm going to tell you that when I get on my suit.
Audio: Diaz (01:20:01):
Come on. You can tell me a little bit.
Audio: Davis (01:20:02):
What's did you say?
Audio: Diaz (01:20:03):
Tell me a little bit of, I mean, this is why we're here, we want to hear the true story of what happened that night.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:20:13):
Wayne, we need your permission.
Audio: Wayne (01:20:14):
[inaudible 01:20:19]
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:20:18):
Yeah.
Audio: Davis (01:20:18):
What?
Audio: Wayne (01:20:18):
[inaudible 01:20:22].
Audio: Davis (01:20:28):
Yeah. I want to talk about that one later. Do you want me to go to the aftermath?
Audio: Diaz (01:20:40):
Yeah. Can you talk about, before the aftermath, can you talk about that generally, just to give me something to work with and then we can do it again in more detail.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Like a summary?
Audio: Diaz (01:20:50):
Yeah, like a summary.
Audio: Davis (01:20:54):
Well, let me consult with him real quick.
Audio: Diaz (01:21:12):
Yeah, yeah. That's okay.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
He's talking to his lawyer I think.
Audio: Diaz (01:21:14):
Ray, the guy over there is his lawyer.
Audio: Davis (01:21:14):
I thought we weren't going to say that, dude.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
[inaudible 01:21:23].
Audio: Davis (01:21:14):
Hello. Hello. Where you rocking at? Hello. All right, I'll be there.
Audio: Diaz (01:21:14):
Yeah. Yeah, of course. Is that in my pocket?
Audio: Davis (01:21:14):
Yeah, tell him to come here for me.
Audio: Diaz (01:21:14):
You don't have to go into [inaudible 01:22:19]
Audio: Davis (01:21:14):
Listen, listen, listen. We got to consult with the US attorney. We don't want to get me locked the fucked ... you don't want me locked the fuck up, do you?
Audio: Diaz (01:21:14):
No, of course not.
Audio: Davis (01:22:31):
Okay. All right. We got to just consult with him. So by the next time ... He asked me to come down here last week, but I never did get a chance to talk to him. That's why I wasn't ready for y'all. But y'all pushed me, charged me. You know what I'm saying? I want to know what I can say and what I can't say. So I got to discuss that because that dude can put me in fucking jail, give me the death penalty.
Audio: Diaz (01:22:48):
[inaudible 01:22:55].
Audio: Davis (01:22:54):
They can give me the death penalty, homie. They just want him. He was just-
Audio: Diaz (01:22:58):
[inaudible 01:23:02].
Audio: Davis (01:23:02):
He was just like a fucking [inaudible 01:23:04]. He just like, "I deserve."
Audio: Diaz (01:23:05):
What you say?
Audio: Davis (01:23:05):
You hear me?
Audio: Diaz (01:23:05):
Yeah.
Audio: Davis (01:23:05):
It's way more than him.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
But hang on one second, this is an area where he may not want to ... have it worse than-
Audio: Diaz (01:23:05):
Right, right, right.
Audio: Davis (01:23:05):
So let's do this on the next one.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Okay, okay.
Audio: Davis (01:23:19):
Once I get over with him and he tell me-
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:23:21):
What you can do.
Audio: Davis (01:23:24):
Yeah. You don't want to get me locked up.
Audio: Diaz (01:23:24):
No.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:23:25):
He's still going to address it is just what he's saying.
Audio: Davis (01:23:27):
Yeah, I just got to go through this over him. I didn't want to tell y'all that this morning and stuff like that. The dude said come talk to him, that's why I do this.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
If he didn't do it, why is he afraid of getting the death penalty?
Audio: Davis (01:23:40):
Because if I make him look like an asshole, they're going to lock me up.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:23:40):
But he's still a threat?
Audio: Diaz (01:23:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Audio: Davis (01:23:41):
Okay?
Audio: Diaz (01:23:46):
Yeah. Okay.
Audio: Davis (01:23:48):
That's why I wanted to consult with him first.
Audio: Diaz (01:23:49):
No, no, no, [inaudible 01:23:51].
Audio: Davis (01:23:49):
Because y'all forced me to do this.
Audio: Diaz (01:23:54):
So where do you want to pick it up? The story.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
Where do you want to go right now?
Audio: Diaz (01:23:58):
Yeah, because he said-
Audio: Davis (01:23:59):
You want me to do the aftermath?
Audio: Diaz (01:23:59):
Yeah. Okay.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:23:59):
He about to throw the food away.
Audio: Davis (01:23:59):
What?
Audio: Diaz (01:24:07):
The man's got to eat.
Audio: Davis (01:24:08):
For real.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
[inaudible 01:24:11]
Audio: Diaz (01:24:11):
We got food, right?
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
[inaudible 01:24:13] He just said that.
Audio: Diaz (01:24:30):
All right. So we're going to take this after the fact, after the murder, yeah?
Audio: Davis (01:24:45):
The aftermath. We go, we get home, so we on my street, it's about 4:15. Reggie Wright Sr. he was the captain of the Compton Police back then. I guess, he must have did his war room with the oncoming shift. As soon as he did that shit, that motherfucker jumped in that police car, came on my motherfucking street, ran the stop sign and everything, doing about 70. Pulled up on the wrong side of the street, jumped out of his car, said, "Listen here you motherfucking Keefe D, you motherfuckers killed my motherfucking son. The belts is coming off." I'm like, "Man, what the fuck are you talking about?" He's like, " You heard me, motherfucker." I'm like, "Damn."
(01:25:35)
So with my immediate crew, I said, "Look they trying to get into it, they trying to get in. So we got to watch these motherfuckers." So we stopped hanging around there right then because we seen the wrath of the police.
Audio: Diaz (01:25:51):
What does he mean by my son?
Audio: Davis (01:25:53):
His son is fucking Suge's man, he's Suge's man. You know what I'm saying? All them, they from the same neighborhood and everything. David Mack, all them dudes, man. So we really had it rough. So we might have to go to war with the police. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't just the gang members, they had the police. Shit. Feel me?
Audio: Diaz (01:26:21):
Was there anybody else after you?
Audio: Davis (01:26:28):
I don't know. You know what I'm saying? They got a lot of deranged fans and everything. You know what I'm saying? Shit. Some girl might for Tupac. You know what I'm saying?
Audio: Diaz (01:26:38):
When did the cops finally get to you?
Audio: Davis (01:26:41):
No, when we got back, the Moon Man on MTV was like, "Keefe D nephew." So it looked like Suge told from day one. You know what I'm saying? Like that motherfucker told from day ... Keefe D nephew. Why the fuck do you use my fucking name? You know what I'm saying? I just didn't understand that. Keefe D nephew. Moon Man coming on every hour. You know the little Moon Man? Like damn. [inaudible 01:27:16].
(01:27:16)
My connection called me and said, "Come meet me in El Segundo and Sepulveda." I went and met him at the Chevron right there. He's like, "Dog, you all going to jail." I said, "What?" He said, "Yeah, y'all going to jail." I'm like, "No, homie, man, I'm out of here." I ain't seen that motherfucker since that day, homie. So, I hate I met Puff, destroyed my life. Now he's super rich. The motherfucker ain't even send me a pair of Sean John drawers or nothing. You know what I'm saying? God damn. Or noodle me while I was in jail. Just left me for dead out here. You know what I'm saying? And that ain't the way fucking ... You know what I'm saying? That ain't the way the game go. Shit. Had your back, you ain't have my back.
Audio: Diaz (01:28:22):
When did you talk to police?
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:28:25):
Because you gave them a statement at some point.
Audio: Davis (01:28:30):
What's that?
Audio: Diaz (01:28:30):
You gave them a statement at some point, right?
Audio: Davis (01:28:32):
I gave them a statement?
Audio: Diaz (01:28:33):
Yeah.
Audio: Davis (01:28:34):
No.
Audio: Diaz (01:28:36):
No? Well, I mean, the proffer deal is a statement, no?
Audio: Davis (01:28:46):
Yeah. [inaudible 01:28:46] What's that, man? You just going to take that and say nothing back there?
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:28:47):
I don't got to, you already [inaudible 01:28:50]
Audio: Diaz (01:28:47):
But isn't it part of the same thing?
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
[Inaudible 01:28:55]
Audio: Diaz (01:28:47):
I'm just saying at some point you did talk to police, is that not true?
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
I think that's what he said.
Audio: Davis (01:29:06):
What's that? Remember what I told you outside because ... that's why I didn't want to do this today.
Audio: Diaz (01:29:10):
Right, right, right. Well, I mean-
Audio: Davis (01:29:11):
Some shit you give me, motherfucker.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
[inaudible 01:29:13]
Audio: Diaz (01:29:13):
All right. I hear you.
Audio: Davis (01:29:16):
Yeah. Dude asked me to meet him last week, but I wasn't able to, man, my wife was sick, homie. I could have had all your answers. You know what I'm saying? Shit. I didn't want to tell you all that, all my business like that. But you forced my hand.
Audio: Diaz (01:29:28):
I think Tara.
Audio: Davis (01:29:28):
All right. Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (01:29:36):
Yeah. Let me just see what I can talk to you about then because a lot of the stuff I have here is about that night.
Audio: Davis (01:29:43):
Okay. We're going to have all the answers though, I swear.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:29:50):
So you're not talking about that, is that what you're saying?
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
I think.
Audio: Diaz (01:29:55):
Can you talk about Zip and talking to Puff afterwards?
Audio: Davis (01:30:01):
Zip and Puff?
Audio: Diaz (01:30:02):
Yeah. I mean, at some point you needed to talk to them about shit. Is that the same shit?
Audio: Davis (01:30:07):
Yeah.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
What's that?
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
[inaudible 01:30:24]
Audio: Diaz (01:30:24):
So after that happened, did you get in contact with Zip or Puff?
Audio: Davis (01:30:34):
Me and Zip was together, he was with us at the fight.
Audio: Diaz (01:30:41):
No. Afterwards you didn't see him, he didn't come back to LA with you, did he?
Audio: Davis (01:30:42):
Yeah, he did, yeah. We went up to the wing stop for wings, LA Wings right there on the Third and La Brea, on the other side where Pink's is. They got an LA Wing stop right there.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:31:01):
[inaudible 01:31:02] with Zip. It was Beverly though or Melrose.
Audio: Diaz (01:31:05):
What did you talk about?
Audio: Davis (01:31:05):
All kinds of shit. Money. You know what I'm saying?
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Yeah. So that we don't waste our time. Can we do something where you can talk to me and then you can get approval? You get approval of whether we use it or not? Because otherwise ...
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:31:25):
[inaudible 01:31:29]
Audio: Davis (01:31:28):
We only can answer three questions, homie. I can go into full detail with you and everything, homie.
Audio: Diaz (01:31:34):
No, no, no. You don't have to do ...
Audio: Davis (01:31:36):
Once I get the green light where I'm covered. You know what I'm saying? Because I can't make them look like a god damn asshole downtown. Them motherfuckers is powerful, dude. They took down Saddam Hussein. They trying to take down Donald Trump. You know what I'm saying? [inaudible 01:31:57] You know what I'm saying? Shit. These dudes are powerful.
Audio: Diaz (01:31:43):
Can you talk about Orlando afterwards? Because he made some public statements.
Audio: Davis (01:31:43):
What did he say?
Audio: Diaz (01:31:43):
I don't have the actual-
Audio: Davis (01:31:43):
Transcripts.
Audio: Diaz (01:31:43):
... the transcripts or anything. I just know that he was bragging about it.
Audio: Davis (01:31:43):
Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (01:31:43):
No?
Audio: Davis (01:31:43):
No. That's against the code, homie. Hell, no. Hell, no. I never heard him bragging, nothing about that. Doesn't know how to brag. You know what I'm saying? That's against the code, homie.
Audio: Diaz (01:32:35):
So how did you guys lay low afterwards, what did you guys do?
Audio: Davis (01:32:41):
You want to know the truth? We didn't lay low. We was after their ass. Mr. Man laid low. He the one who flew out to the Caribbean and shit. But we had his address. This is some mafia shit, man. We didn't lay low, we had to stay sharp, man, because we had to watch out for the police, we had to watch out for them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we didn't lay low.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
What's he talking about the mafia?
Audio: Diaz (01:33:23):
I think this you can answer. Why didn't they bring up any charges against Orlando?
Audio: Davis (01:33:26):
Because they couldn't prove it.
Audio: Diaz (01:33:26):
Could you give it to me in a complete sentence.
Audio: Davis (01:33:26):
Why they didn't bring up any charges because they couldn't prove it. Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (01:33:38):
Did they talk to him?
Audio: Davis (01:33:55):
Yeah. They raided everybody house. I think it was October the 7th or something like that. Raided everybody house. Just so happened, one of my homies, he's a grease trap guy, to pick up the old cooking grease, he came, knocked on my door about four o'clock in the morning, five o'clock. Said "Keefe D, the FBI, and about a hundred police is up at the donut shop." I told him, "Wait one minute." I grabbed my shoes, I put on my pants, grabbed my shoes and shirt and stuff, left my car there, I jumped in the truck with him, told him to drop me off at the Metro rail. I missed the raid by five minutes. Otherwise, they would've got me.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
Did he say somebody tipped him off?
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:34:34):
Mm-hmm.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
[inaudible 01:34:36]
Audio: Diaz (01:34:35):
Let's go back to Orlando because, I mean, he passed away, unfortunately, so maybe you can talk about what he did that day, without mentioning you, is that something you feel comfortable doing? I mean, you can't implicate him, he's dead. There's nothing that can happen.
Audio: Davis (01:34:56):
What did you say?
Audio: Diaz (01:34:57):
Can you talk about what Orlando did that night?
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
[inaudible 01:35:01]
Audio: Davis (01:35:01):
The night in Vegas?
Audio: Diaz (01:35:01):
Yeah. Without mentioning you at all, just talk about that.
Audio: Davis (01:35:04):
He was at the hospital. He went to the hospital to get his shoulder fixed and stuff like that.
Audio: Diaz (01:35:04):
Yeah, but I'm talking about before that.
Audio: Davis (01:35:15):
There's three questions you're stuck on, homie, I got to go consult with this man because-
Audio: Diaz (01:35:21):
I'm just saying he's not, I mean, Wayne's a lawyer, Wayne, can you confirm that? Can he talk about Orlando without mentioning his name, without mentioning Keefe's name?
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
That's what I asked Mario, see if he'll talk, what does he know about what Orlando did that night without including himself in that? Do you know what I mean? Because Orlando's dead. Been dead almost 20 years.
Audio: Diaz (01:35:48):
Did Orlando go after Tupac that night after the fight?
Audio: Davis (01:35:57):
Huh?
Audio: Diaz (01:35:57):
I got to do my job.
Audio: Davis (01:35:58):
No, he didn't go after Tupac.
Audio: Diaz (01:36:01):
He did not?
Audio: Davis (01:36:04):
Man, wait till I get on the suit, man. Keep going, let's go somewhere else. You want to talk about Puff, something like that?
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
[inaudible 01:36:14]
Audio: Diaz (01:36:15):
What's that?
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
[inaudible 01:36:18].
Audio: Diaz (01:36:19):
I did. He didn't want to answer, but I'll ask you.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
[inaudible 01:36:25].
Audio: Diaz (01:36:26):
Okay. Did you try to get money from Puffy after the fact for the deal that you had arranged for him?
Audio: Davis (01:36:33):
No, because it was hot. You know what I'm saying? You just can't jump out there like that. Got to be smarter in this game. You know what I'm saying? Otherwise, it'll take your ass down. It would [inaudible 01:36:48] You know what I'm saying?
Audio: Diaz (01:36:47):
So what was your plan?
Audio: Davis (01:36:53):
I seen him about maybe six months later at the House of Blues right there. And he invited us to the Pitty Pictures Museum the night before. And we went up there. Fuck. We was up there partying. I'd seen him at the Pitty Pictures Museum. He like, "Keefe D, the FBI is all over us." You know what I'm saying? "If you want to catch no heat." You know what I'm saying? "Shit, they up in this party right now." I'm like, "Really?" Like, "Yeah." So that's why I didn't understand how the fuck Biggie can get killed. You know what I'm saying? If the FBI all around there. You know what I'm saying? Said they up in the party and everything ever since we got off the plane. Fuck.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
God, I just thought of something that I never thought of.
Audio: Diaz (01:37:54):
We'll talk about Biggie in a second, but did you ask him for the money that-
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
That's why there's no way Keefe and the South Side Crips kill Biggie. [inaudible 01:38:00]
Audio: Davis (01:37:59):
What's that?
Audio: Diaz (01:38:00):
Did you ask him for the money that he owed you?
Audio: Davis (01:38:01):
[inaudible 01:38:05]
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
[inaudible 01:38:03] and the FBI are all over. So Keefe would've been like, fuck, the FBI are outside right now, murder's off, we can't kill him right now.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:38:08):
Yeah, of course.
Audio: Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
I never put that together before.
Audio: Diaz (01:38:13):
Is it true that, there's a rumor going around that Zip got half the money?
Audio: Davis (01:38:20):
That's what the FBI said.
Audio: Diaz (01:38:23):
Say it again, because I don't ...
Audio: Davis (01:38:25):
That's what the FBI said, that Zip got the money.
Audio: Diaz (01:38:30):
Do you believe them?
Audio: Davis (01:38:33):
They is a motherfucker. See Donald Trump and Mr. Trump Jr. right now is in trouble about some fucking emails and shit. They are motherfuckers. You know they are motherfuckers.
Audio: Diaz (01:38:46):
Did you talk to Zip about the money?
Audio: Davis (01:38:51):
No. Man, soon as I left, I told you that, man, Ted Holiday had his head up my ass, homie. I still got invoiced from him. You know what I'm saying? Shit. That dude's a mother ...
Audio: Duane Davis (01:39:00):
... hemorrhoids from him. You know what I'm saying? Shit, that dude's a motherfucker. He head of the major crime unit. Shit, that dude's a motherfucker, dude.
Audio: Diaz (01:39:11):
Here's the thing. You're not upset about not getting paid?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:39:15):
Hm?
Audio: Diaz (01:39:15):
Were you not upset about not getting paid?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:39:18):
There's a time to get paid. I was trying to pick the perfect spot, dude. You know what I'm saying? I was trying to just pick the perfect spot.
Speaker 10 (01:39:21):
What does that mean, the perfect spot?
Audio: Diaz (01:39:31):
All right. Let me just backtrack here for a second.
Speaker 10 (01:39:34):
What does he mean by that?
Audio: Diaz (01:39:37):
Yeah, you can switch over.
Speaker 10 (01:39:40):
Yeah, he's afraid to talk in this office building.
Speaker 11 (01:39:41):
Yeah. He wants a spot-
Speaker 12 (01:39:43):
He wants to be in a warehouse or somewhere.
Speaker 10 (01:39:45):
Yeah. He wants a safe house. I don't know if they come up with the spot or what, but yeah, he doesn't want to be here.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:39:54):
We knew what was up. Just trying to do a deal, because of fucking money.
Audio: Diaz (01:40:10):
All right.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:40:10):
They was going to give us some money in here.
Audio: Diaz (01:40:13):
Right. No, I mean, because you were saying like, "Yeah, I didn't do it then. I didn't do it." I just want to make sure that. I want to know where your head's at. You had a plan.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:40:23):
I am a kingpin. I was making more money than Puff be doing then.
Audio: Diaz (01:40:26):
You're picking your spots too.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:40:29):
Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (01:40:29):
Right. I hear you.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:40:29):
Playing my cards right. Yeah.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:40:38):
And also we put a wiretap, that [inaudible 01:40:39] you to communicate.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:40:38):
Not at all. We was up under a microscope. You know what I'm saying? We got crooked-ass Compton Police feeding these dudes downtown all the information. You don't have to say it, homie. Y'all need to be on our fucking side, homie. You know what I'm saying? Everybody on Tupac's side, and all these other dudes side, they should be on our fucking side. We the one that was catching it. Had crooked Compton polices, Crooked [inaudible 01:41:11]. You know what I'm saying?
Audio: Diaz (01:41:13):
Right.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:41:14):
They telling them people downtown, the LPI shit. You know what I'm saying? Shit.
Audio: Diaz (01:41:19):
Yeah. No, I hear you.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:41:20):
I mean, we was up against it homie. It's the shit that's coming out right now.
Audio: Diaz (01:41:30):
Maybe we can talk about that sensitive stuff on the street somewhere. You know what I mean? Like bring a camera. Something [inaudible 01:41:46]. Give me a second. They're doing it, the same thing [inaudible 01:42:01]. Yeah, yeah. That's all good.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:42:00):
Go over everything. And he going to give me the green light. Okay? You say, yes or no.
Audio: Diaz (01:42:00):
Is it true that you went to that Hollywood Walk of Fame ceremony for Puffy?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:42:07):
Huh? Where you heard that from?
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:42:31):
Him. He said it.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:42:31):
Damn, yeah, that's true. When he got his star?
Audio: Diaz (01:42:31):
The star where?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:42:31):
On the Hollywood Walk of Fame. The day he got his star. There was too many people, so he couldn't really get close to me.
Speaker 10 (01:42:31):
Okay. He confirmed it.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:42:31):
One of my boys did run into him at the club.
Audio: Diaz (01:42:31):
When?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:42:51):
He was excited, keeping the gun out, and all that shit. Motherfuckers, ran into a couple more dudes that know him, And he like, "Man, Puff's every quarter's, Puff's, they be like $20,000 worth of clothes. Ain't that a bitch" So a couple of times I called Daddy's house. He never returned my calls or none of that shit. You know what I'm saying? So I guess he was just trying to wash his hands with us, whatever. I fucked him. And that's wrong. That ain't the way to go. You know what I'm saying? He had your fucking back, supposed to have our fucking back. He doesn't know what we was up against out here. I hate I took that fucking phone call from his ass. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the fucking cops on our ass. Because me and Suge was friends, motherfucker. We've known each other since we were nine, 10 years old. I'm tripping though. Yeah. I'm kind of mad at the dude, dog. You know what I'm talking about? Puffy, yeah. I'm kind of mad at him.
Audio: Diaz (01:43:42):
And there was never any ... You stopped trying after a while, there was never any contact?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:43:47):
Yeah. No more contact.
Audio: Diaz (01:43:57):
Yeah. Let's go to Biggie. So he invited you to the Peterson Museum, to that-
Audio: Duane Davis (01:44:02):
Puff did.
Audio: Diaz (01:44:03):
... Vibe Party. Yeah.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:44:04):
Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (01:44:09):
You said there were too many people there. The feds were there.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:44:13):
Yeah, he said that.
Audio: Diaz (01:44:14):
Right. So that wasn't the place or the time, right?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:44:18):
Hell no. The FBI there, they see us together, they put shit together.
Audio: Diaz (01:44:24):
But why did you go in the first place?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:44:26):
Why did I go? Because he throw smashing parties, dog, and all that. You know what I'm saying? He was literally invited. You know what I'm saying? They kind of needed us. They should have kept us because probably would still be alive today. You know what I'm saying? Instead of talking about the FBI around. I guess you were scared of us. I don't know. FBI around. I guess the FBI was going to protect him, but it don't look like they protected him because he dead. Then two or three days later, Sergeant Reynolds pulled up talking about we killed Biggie. You know what I'm saying? Called the people downtown crooked cops, man. That's some bullshit.
Audio: Diaz (01:45:15):
So can you tell me definitively that you had nothing to do with Biggie's murder?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:45:20):
Nothing.
Audio: Diaz (01:45:22):
Can you give me a full sentence?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:45:26):
We had nothing to do with no Biggie Small's murder. Boy Biggie was our friend. Why would we want to kill our ...
Audio: Diaz (01:45:35):
Why do you think people thought that?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:45:42):
Because of the money and all this other shit. And then the crooked cops, they started feeding over their superior's head. Sending some bullshit. They know they did that shit. So they telling the people downtown, the FBI friends, "Get the heat in, get the heat in." Of course, to get the heat up off him. Yeah. Man, we was up against it all. The mayor, even the mayor was against us.
Audio: Diaz (01:46:07):
I hear you. And when you say the money, you mean the money that was owed from Puffy?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:46:10):
Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (01:46:11):
Can you say that?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:46:15):
Well, the money that was owed from Puffy. Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (01:46:19):
That's why people thought that you killed Biggie?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:46:23):
Yeah. That's why they thought killed Biggie. Yeah. Didn't kill no Biggie though.
Audio: Diaz (01:46:27):
So why did you agree to tell your story after all these years?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:46:36):
I agreed to tell my story?
Audio: Diaz (01:46:37):
Yeah, to us. I mean, I know why you told your story to police.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:46:41):
Saved my fucking life. And I was really facing the death penalty. And I just didn't save my life, I saved my whole crew life. They just put down like 48 indictments. All my big hitters, all my homies, all my family, even the plugs, even the Colombians. You know what I'm saying? That shit. They had our ass, though. You know what I'm saying? Some shit. Dude said he was from DC and they used a psychology game on me. That shit. That's how they got me.
Audio: Diaz (01:47:28):
And to us, why'd you want to tell that story to us?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:47:34):
Because I felt we was betrayed. Betrayed. Then just the way we was done by the crooked cops, the media, everybody. You know what I'm saying? I was wronged. We was wronged it really. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Dude, they come raid our house. Suge's friends come raid our house, take our guns. That shit wrong. Shit just totally wrong. People think we was lying about the shit. Shit just hit the fan last week with Reggie Wright Senior and Junior. But you know they ain't crooked. Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (01:48:19):
Tell me about that. I think you touched on it, but I want to know more about Suge enlisting crooked cops to help him out. What was that about?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:48:31):
I don't know what the fuck it was about. It was smart though. King move. You know what I'm saying? The shit. What you do in the dark, don't come to the light. And that shit is going to hit the fan. You know what I'm saying? That shit. Like you say, you ain't bigger than the law. And the FBI's a motherfucker they take your ass down. Shit, I ain't no better than Noriega. I ain't no better than fucking Saddam Hussein. None of them sons of bitches. You know what I'm saying? John Gotti, none of it. They took him down. I'm a peon to them. You know what I'm saying?
Audio: Diaz (01:49:11):
But was that widely known that Suge was hanging around, was protected by cops?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:49:19):
Hell yeah. Everybody knew that. Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (01:49:21):
Knew what?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:49:22):
Knew that he was protected by crooked-ass cops. Son of bitch dirty ones. I wish I could tell you everything, but you know what I'm saying?
Audio: Diaz (01:49:33):
Yeah, yeah. But that just-
Audio: Duane Davis (01:49:33):
Wish I could tell you everything.
Audio: Diaz (01:49:34):
Did that ever give you pause to fuck with Suge? Did you ever say I shouldn't fuck with Suge because these cops are going to be on my ass afterwards?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:49:50):
No, I'm more down with my nephew than I am down with Suge. Fuck Suge as far as it comes to that. That's my family. I'm his uncle. I'm here to protect him, you know what I'm saying, and all that.
Audio: Diaz (01:50:02):
Was there ever a time where you felt bad about Tupac?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:50:07):
Was there ever a time I felt bad about it?
Audio: Diaz (01:50:09):
Yeah.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:50:11):
I wish it ever happened. I lost my Plug. You know what I'm saying? Colombian boy left. Went back to Bogota. Shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I hate it happened.
Audio: Diaz (01:50:25):
Can you say what? So you wish what hadn't happened?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:50:29):
I wish I never happened to Tupac because, shit, it changed my whole fucking life. My plug that I was making all them hundreds of millions with, fucking went to Bogota, left. He didn't want to get caught up in our bullshit. I wish I would've listened to him. I should have jumped on the plane with his ass to Bogota. You know what I'm saying?
Audio: Diaz (01:50:50):
[inaudible 01:50:57].
Audio: Duane Davis (01:50:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. All right.
Audio: Diaz (01:50:50):
That's okay.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:51:00):
That's my son and my wife. They on my ass all the-
Audio: Diaz (01:51:03):
We're almost out. What's that?
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:51:07):
Yeah, of course. Yeah, sorry. You have to repeat it because the phone was ringing.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:51:11):
Okay. About the Bogota?
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:51:12):
No, no, no. About Tupac. Did you ever feel bad? I mean, this is a kid on the prime of his life.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:51:18):
Prime of his life.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:51:18):
Yeah, an artist that everyone loves.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:51:27):
To me, it was an ignorant kid in the prime of his life doing stupid shit out here.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:51:30):
How so?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:51:30):
How so? He shot the police in Atlanta. Jumped on my nephew, him and his little guy. "You a rapper. Stay in your lane. Stay in your fucking lane. You're not a gangster. You're a fucking rapper. I told you earlier, stay in your fucking lane, dude. You're not doing what we doing." So he should have just stayed in his lane. I hate it happen to him, stuff like that. It really changed my fucking life. My plug left. Shit, [inaudible 01:52:18]. I met him. "I'm out of here. Y'all going to jail." I wish I would have been on the plane with his motherfucking ass. You know what I'm saying? That shit. I hate it happening, bro.
Audio: Diaz (01:52:30):
If Tupac had not gotten involved with your nephew in the lobby of the MGM, would he still be alive?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:52:44):
I don't know. He ignorant. It's a motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? I guess he went with that mob and that shit went to his head homie. That's the way I feel about it. That shit went to his head, and all that shit. He's ignorant, so he run into a lot of problems out there trying to be a gang member. You know what I'm saying? But see, in our community, we try to get up out the game. Try to play sports, rap, stuff like that. Try to get up out the game. Our motive is to get up out the game. Get us a home, get us a family. These motherfuckers nowadays has got millions of dollars enjoying their fucking game. That shit is backwards. You know what I'm saying? Shit is backwards.
(01:53:40)
Chris Brown, Soulja Boy, Justin Bieber, got to listen. You got all that money. Get away from this bullshit, because all it'll lead to is death, penitentiary, and heartaches for your family. You know what I'm saying? People out here, we grew up in this shit. You guys from another town, dude, need to leave that shit alone. Take it from Keefe D. Leave that shit alone, homeboy.
Audio: Diaz (01:54:10):
So let me ask that question again. I really like that answer, by the way. I think it's true. It's like everyone's coming ...
Audio: Duane Davis (01:54:15):
Yeah, these dudes from Virginia coming to being gang members. That's stupid. That's backwards.
Audio: Diaz (01:54:21):
So is-
Audio: Duane Davis (01:54:22):
The real gang members is trying to get up off this shit.
Audio: Diaz (01:54:28):
If that shit hadn't happened with Orlando, would you have left it alone that day?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:54:34):
Yes. Yeah. Me and Suge is friends. We were friends. We grew up together. Shit shouldn't have never happened. You know what I'm saying?
Audio: Diaz (01:54:44):
Well, try to-
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:54:45):
[inaudible 01:54:46].
Audio: Duane Davis (01:54:46):
That shit shouldn't have never happened because me and this guy grew up together. We was friends since we was kids. You know what I'm saying? I want to tell you the whole truth about this shit, about the balls we-
Audio: Diaz (01:54:58):
That's okay. But, this brings up a good question. Did Suge know who he was dealing with, with Orlando? Did he know that he was your nephew?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:55:09):
I told you one man came and said, Keefe D nephew. LA Times. Keefe D nephew.
Audio: Diaz (01:55:17):
I don't mean then. I mean before.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:55:19):
What?
Audio: Diaz (01:55:19):
Before he kicked him in the head.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:55:22):
I don't know. I think that was a stupid choice. But he did say that night, he told the police that night that Keefe D nephew. You know what I'm saying? He did say that. You know what I'm saying? He keep on saying he ain't said nothing, bitch you know you said something. You know what I'm saying? And why you use my name? That's what I don't understand. He trying to get me arrested too.
Audio: Diaz (01:55:47):
Right. Orlando had a deal, right, to testify for Suge. Can you talk about that?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:55:59):
What's that?
Audio: Diaz (01:56:00):
You heard me. Orlando had a deal to testify for Suge at one point.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:56:05):
You taking all the stories out of my book. You know what I mean? Made my book no good no more.
Audio: Diaz (01:56:11):
Hey, this is good promotion for your book.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:56:12):
What's that?
Audio: Diaz (01:56:12):
This is good promotion for your book.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:56:13):
Oh, you know about that too?
Audio: Diaz (01:56:17):
You just told me about your book.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:56:19):
No, I'm talking about that meeting.
Audio: Diaz (01:56:22):
Oh, I don't know. But is there any truth to that?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:56:28):
What?
Audio: Diaz (01:56:28):
That Orlando agreed to a deal to testify for Suge?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:56:32):
Okay. I'm to stop right there. What's that? We not going to go over that one.
Audio: Diaz (01:56:49):
Okay.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:56:49):
Save me something for my motherfucking book. God damn, going to be no surprises? I hear you homie, damn. You did your work though. I like that.
Audio: Speaker 6 (01:56:57):
I'll say, I see. I see. I'll see
Audio: Diaz (01:56:58):
Well, next time we talk, I'm going to drill you on those.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:57:03):
All right.
Audio: Diaz (01:57:03):
There's no escaping it. Nora, are we good? Do you have anything?
Audio: Nora (01:57:19):
I was just wondering [inaudible 01:57:20].
Audio: Diaz (01:57:20):
Yeah, you feel comfortable talking about that?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:57:20):
What?
Audio: Diaz (01:57:20):
She said, can you talk about the hierarchy being the kingpin and stuff?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:57:25):
Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (01:57:25):
How is the structure?
Audio: Nora (01:57:25):
[inaudible 01:57:29].
Audio: Duane Davis (01:57:36):
Yeah. Look
Audio: Diaz (01:57:37):
Look at me. Don't look at her.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:58:01):
Okay. Like the codes of the street? Our gang is built through respect and the work you put in. And as far as power, you know what I'm saying? That's the way our gang is structured.
Speaker 11 (01:58:01):
It's okay, that's the bell sound. That could be [inaudible 01:58:03].
Audio: Duane Davis (01:58:02):
You got the OOGs, OGs, OBGs, BGs, and the TGs.
Speaker 10 (01:58:09):
Tell him to tell him where he was in the [inaudible 01:58:13]. Biggie got [inaudible 01:58:14].
Audio: Duane Davis (01:58:19):
And the OTSs. That way our gang is instructed. So I could fall in the OOG, because I was there when the gang was constructed. So this way it goes. You either become a gang banger as you get older, or a gangster. Or go to school, or get a job. By 25, that's when you determine who you're going to be. You going to be a gang banger? Drinking, smoking weed and stuff all day long with your pants hanging down. Are you going to get a job? That mean you out the gang. Or are you going to become a gangster, for the gang. That's the way our gang is constructed. Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (01:59:08):
Do you think that Suge ran the label like a gang?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:59:17):
Yeah. Yes. He kind of hired all gang members. You know what I'm saying?
Audio: Diaz (01:59:30):
Yep.
Audio: Duane Davis (01:59:30):
He hired all gang members.
Audio: Diaz (01:59:30):
So who was he in the structure?
Audio: Duane Davis (01:59:30):
Who was Suge in the structure? I guess his money gave him the power. How people listened to him. Money is power. You know that shit. I guess they ... Well, we knew he was a busser. The Crips did. I know our side of town did because we played football with the guy. You know what I'm saying?
Audio: Diaz (02:00:00):
Right.
Audio: Nora (02:00:00):
Anything you said before [inaudible 02:00:02].
Audio: Diaz (02:00:02):
I want to go back to the Biggie night.
Audio: Nora (02:00:05):
I don't know if you were. [inaudible 02:00:07].
Audio: Diaz (02:00:06):
Where were you? And how did you hear that Biggie had died? Your phone's ringing.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:00:11):
We're good. We're good.
Audio: Diaz (02:00:16):
We're almost done. I got you.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:00:17):
That's wife. She on me.
Audio: Diaz (02:00:21):
Just five more minutes. I promise.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:00:23):
Okay. Okay.
Audio: Diaz (02:00:25):
Where were you, and how did you hear that Biggie had died?
Audio: Duane Davis (02:00:30):
I was under the parking garage and everybody ran back in up under the parking garage and said, "They just killed Biggie. They just killed Biggie." I'm like, "What?" I'm like, "Damn, that was fucked up." By then, all the LAPDs was there. And I was waiting on my car to get valeted up out of there and. Valeted up out of there. Then three days later punk-ass Compton Police them crooked motherfuckers pulled nephew over said, "You guys kill Biggie too?" We got all this bullshit. You know what I'm saying? Some bullshit. They go down there. They just playing dirty pool with us, dog. You know what I'm saying? I was really like the fall guy. To me, fucked over me, man. They fucked over my life.
Audio: Diaz (02:01:26):
But they cleared you, right? I mean, you're not-
Audio: Duane Davis (02:01:30):
My life been fucked over ever since homie. You just don't understand, dude. And I still got to watch people. You know what I'm saying? To me, they violated my civil rights, my everything, dude. You know what I'm saying?
Audio: Diaz (02:01:48):
Did you suspect that somebody was casing the party, the bad boy?
Audio: Duane Davis (02:01:52):
Casing the party?
Audio: Diaz (02:01:52):
Yeah.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:01:53):
You heard about that? Boy, you a motherfucker. You did your little work. Yeah, they was up there. The Bloods was there. They came up there. I told Puff. I said, "Y'all be careful. They niggas was up here." They're like, "All right, all right." And sure enough, it went down. I was sad. They come up here and get ate up out it. It's a zoo out here, a jungle. Y'all coming from that little punk-ass town, with all the shit. Eat your ass up out here, boy. It's gorillas, homie. This shit is lions and tigers and bears.
Audio: Diaz (02:02:35):
Did you-
Audio: Duane Davis (02:02:35):
And they will eat up the weak out here.
Audio: Diaz (02:02:38):
Oh, I know. How'd you feel about Biggie dying, since you knew him personally?
Audio: Duane Davis (02:02:44):
Oh, it kind of fucked me up. You know what I'm saying?
Audio: Diaz (02:02:45):
What did?
Audio: Duane Davis (02:02:49):
When Biggie got killed, it kind of fucked me up. I was sad behind it, everything, man. It was fucked up on it. Then these bullshit-ass cops don't put that out in the media like we did that bullshit, just to get the heat up off their ass. You know what I'm saying? But it all going to come out. It's just coming out every day, home boy. Believe me.
Audio: Diaz (02:03:14):
All right brother, I'm going to set you free.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:03:14):
Let my wife get me. All right.
Audio: Diaz (02:03:15):
Oh, wait. Just sit here for 20 seconds with no sound.
Audio: Speaker 6 (02:03:19):
Room tone. Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (02:03:19):
So don't make any sound. Just have to record the tone of the room.
Audio: Speaker 6 (02:03:46):
This is room tone. End room tone.
Audio: Diaz (02:03:46):
Okay. Thanks for that.
Audio: Nora (02:03:48):
[inaudible 02:03:50].
Audio: Diaz (02:03:49):
Oh.
Audio: Nora (02:03:52):
Why did they call Baby Lane?
Audio: Diaz (02:03:55):
Yeah, that's a good story.
Audio: Nora (02:03:55):
It's like, I don't know people.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:03:59):
Because our street-
Audio: Diaz (02:04:00):
Wait, wait. Stay there. Sit back. Just do this question real quick. Sorry, I thought you were done. That was your only question before.
Audio: Nora (02:04:08):
I can't help it.
Audio: Diaz (02:04:16):
Okay. So why Baby Lane?
Audio: Duane Davis (02:04:18):
Why did we call him Baby Lane?
Audio: Diaz (02:04:20):
Why was Orlando ... Yeah, tell me that.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:04:21):
Because he was born on Burrs Lane.
Audio: Diaz (02:04:24):
Sorry, sorry. Tell me the whole story. The sentence. Orlando was called Baby Lane because ...
Audio: Duane Davis (02:04:29):
Orlando was called Baby Lane because he was born on Burrs Lane. The street, Burrs. And they just called him Lane, short for Orlando. So he took our street name and his pops was real high in the echelons of our gang. One of the founding fathers.
Audio: Diaz (02:04:51):
And the baby isn't because he had a baby face or anything like that?
Audio: Duane Davis (02:04:54):
No. Baby Lane. Short for our street.
Audio: Diaz (02:04:57):
Right. And Keefe?
Audio: Duane Davis (02:04:59):
Keefe? We had like three Keefes in our hood. So they just broke them down and they just put KPD on it.
Audio: Diaz (02:05:09):
So they gave you the initials so then they separate you from the others?
Audio: Duane Davis (02:05:12):
Others, yeah. And that shit just went like a wildflower. Blew up, got rich, had all the money, all the women. Don't put that on there. My wife's going to kill me.
Audio: Diaz (02:05:29):
Yeah.
Audio: Nora (02:05:29):
[inaudible 02:05:29].
Audio: Duane Davis (02:05:29):
You going to have my wife deposit for that car too.
Audio: Diaz (02:05:32):
This has got to be the last one.
Audio: Nora (02:05:34):
OG, I think most people know it.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:05:37):
Original gangster. Yeah.
Audio: Nora (02:05:38):
Right. An OOG, there's OTS.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:05:42):
A OOG is the dude that's like y'all have been around a while, the founding fathers and stuff. Founding fathers of the gang. That's where our gang stopped, the OOG. And our youngest gang members is called TSs, Tiny Soldiers. But we got about six different generations.
Audio: Diaz (02:06:03):
Okay. Thank you.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:06:03):
My wife wants to have a deposit for that car too.
Audio: Nora (02:06:03):
Okay.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:06:03):
Yeah, she's crazy.
Audio: Diaz (02:06:18):
So why don't you talk to ... Well, we got to talk to you a bit and call him. Talk on the phone. And then if things get heavy for you, maybe we can just talk about Orlando and then leave it at that. But these guys are expecting details from that night. Okay.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:06:39):
All right. Yeah. You don't worry. That's dude-
Audio: Diaz (02:06:42):
I don't want to put you on the truck.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:06:45):
Hear the name from the chancellor's department in DC, dude. I swear to God on it.
Audio: Diaz (02:06:49):
I hear you.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:06:51):
They have some major players on me, dog. The other dude named Michael Carrera. Oh, man. He's a US attorney in this area. We call his ass root beer. That dude hate me on me. I swear to God.
Audio: Diaz (02:07:08):
No, like I said, I mean-
Audio: Duane Davis (02:07:13):
He come in the room like, "Y'all fucking dealing with the fucking devil right now."
Audio: Diaz (02:07:14):
They're wrapping up right now.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:07:15):
Somebody going to wind up dead around this fool. Sir, I swear to God. Swear to God.
Audio: Diaz (02:07:19):
Off camera.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:07:20):
Swear to God, man. I'm going to be nice. I'll be good. I'm not about the devil.
Audio: Diaz (02:07:25):
No, no. I mean, do what you got to do. And then can we set up a date, Nora? Like an actual day where there's no misunderstanding you're here for this period.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:07:37):
Soon as I know [inaudible 02:07:40].
Audio: Diaz (02:07:39):
Or we can go out to Vegas because what I wanted to do is for you to take us on the street. Why is that funny? Why is that funny?
Audio: Nora (02:07:52):
You went through this with us.
Audio: Diaz (02:07:52):
Yeah, right? Yeah.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:08:01):
Yeah. That was funny. Let me tell you-
Audio: Diaz (02:08:02):
They never-
Audio: Duane Davis (02:08:03):
The dude, I seen Rick Ross at the airport. He just put my face off. He was like, "I know it." He said, "Bro, I know you from somewhere." "You don't want to know who I am." He's like, "I know you." I'm like, "Yeah, yeah. You really want to know?"
Audio: Diaz (02:08:25):
Yeah.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:08:27):
Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (02:08:27):
We'll figure it out.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:08:28):
The 20th, my sister, we giving her a 70th birthday party. Her milestone 70, my sister, that's on the 29th. So I'm going to be there about four days before then for a whole week.
Audio: Diaz (02:08:40):
Okay. Here, you mean?
Audio: Duane Davis (02:08:46):
In California. Yeah.
Audio: Diaz (02:08:46):
California.
Audio: Nora (02:08:46):
The 29th of July?
Audio: Diaz (02:08:50):
But if we just wanted to come out to Vegas, can we do that too? I mean, I'm not joking about the street stuff.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:08:55):
Possibly.
Audio: Diaz (02:08:55):
Yeah. Then you can just tell me on the street it'll be different than this. It'll be less formal.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:09:00):
Okay.
Audio: Diaz (02:09:00):
Okay.
Audio: Duane Davis (02:09:01):
All right.
Speaker 10 (02:09:01):
We'll take a short break.
Speaker 13 (02:09:12):
Let's see. We've been going for about an hour and a half. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, do you guys have to take a restroom break? Anyone? Raise your hand. Okay. If you want to just do maybe another half hour and then we'll take our lunch break.
Speaker 10 (02:09:23):
Okay.
Speaker 13 (02:09:24):
Okay, perfect. Do you need to use the restroom? Okay. All right. We will have to take our break now. So we will take a recess. During the recess, you are admonished not to talk or converse amongst yourselves or with anyone else on any subject connected to the trial or read, watch, listen to any report or commentary on the trial, or any person connected with this case by any mean of information, including without limitation, newspaper, television, internet, radio, or form or express any opinion on any subject connected with the trial until it is submitted to you.
(02:09:54)
Please rise for the jury. We'll see you guys back here at, let's say, 11:40.
Speaker 10 (02:10:04):
12:45.
Speaker 13 (02:10:04):
11:40.
Speaker 10 (02:10:07):
Is this [inaudible 02:10:07]?
Speaker 13 (02:10:07):
We're just going to take a short break, I think. For the record, the jury has exited the room. When we get back, we can do another 30, 45 minutes or so. We have lunch coming somewhere around noon. So if we were to break now, I don't know if we have enough time to eat.
Speaker 10 (02:10:42):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 13 (02:10:44):
All right. We'll be in recess.
Speaker 10 (02:10:44):
Sure.
Speaker 13 (02:10:44):
Okay.
Judge (02:26:02):
Okay. Back on record in State versus Davis C377407. Anything we need to address outside the presence?
Mr. DiGiacomo (02:26:08):
No, Your Honor.
Speaker 18 (02:26:09):
No.
Judge (02:26:10):
Okay. Let's bring in the jury. Please rise for the jury. All right, do the parties stipulate to the presence of the jury?
Speaker 18 (02:27:42):
Yes, Your Honor.
Mr. DiGiacomo (02:27:42):
Yes, Your Honor.
Judge (02:27:43):
You may be seated.
Mr. DiGiacomo (02:27:47):
We need to get the witness.
Judge (02:27:48):
Where's Mr. Dorsey?
Mr. DiGiacomo (02:27:50):
I assume he's still back there with [inaudible 02:27:52].
Judge (02:28:00):
Okay.
Mr. DiGiacomo (02:28:00):
And Judge, if you just let us know when lunch shows up, we'll break.
Judge (02:28:05):
Let's do about 40, 45 minutes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (02:28:14):
Okay.
Judge (02:28:14):
All right. We have Mr. Dorsey back. You're still under oath, sir. Mr. DiGiacomo, you may resume your questioning at this time.
Mr. DiGiacomo (02:28:21):
Thank you. Mr. Dorsey, that was the July 17th, 2017 conversation that we just listened to, correct?
Mr. Dorsey (02:28:30):
It was the first interview, yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (02:28:33):
And then the second interview, and I have a copy of the transcript for you to look at it, was July 28th of 2017. Does that sound accurate?
Mr. Dorsey (02:28:39):
That sounds right, yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (02:28:41):
We're just going to start playing that, Judge. And that is State's Exhibit number 122.
Judge (02:28:47):
Okay. 122 is now playing.
Diaz (02:28:54):
Are you moving back, you think, anytime soon? Are you going to stay with-
Davis (02:28:55):
Who said move back? I don't like-
Diaz (02:29:01):
You don't like? I know you don't like... I mean, your wife's got that business of hers or whatever, right?
Davis (02:29:03):
Yeah.
Diaz (02:29:05):
So she'd have to give it up for you to come back?
Davis (02:29:09):
No, she with a corporation, so they move her around.
Diaz (02:29:12):
Oh, that's cool.
Davis (02:29:12):
I never said she won't do that.
Diaz (02:29:28):
It looks good. I mean, I see a white man on the background. Other than that...
Interviewer (02:29:29):
[inaudible 02:29:33].
Diaz (02:29:33):
Yeah, actually I see a white man's torso in the background.
Interviewer (02:29:43):
Yeah. [Inaudible 02:29:44].
Davis (02:29:43):
Where Tara at?
Diaz (02:29:43):
What's that?
Davis (02:29:44):
Where's Tara?
Diaz (02:29:47):
Who's what?
Davis (02:29:47):
Where Tara?
Diaz (02:29:48):
Tara?
Davis (02:29:49):
Yeah.
Diaz (02:29:50):
I don't know, I haven't seen her today. She called me and told me that you called her this morning. But I don't think she's in the office actually.
Speaker 19 (02:30:00):
Do you mind looking up? Look at Mario for one second. I just want to make sure your background looks good and we'll be in business.
Diaz (02:30:07):
You're going to be looking at me the whole time.
Speaker 19 (02:30:08):
So Dave, I think it's hitting the whole thing. We want to raise it up and down. [inaudible 02:30:22]. There we go. Just down.
Diaz (02:30:10):
Hey, Eric?
Speaker 15 (02:30:10):
Yeah.
Diaz (02:30:35):
Oh, well do this first. What the hell's happening over there? Did you get in touch with him?
Speaker 15 (02:30:48):
Yeah, he's not picking up for Nora either. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yep.
Speaker 19 (02:31:06):
Excuse me. Right at the neckline. Looks good.
Speaker 15 (02:31:09):
But that's all right, right, Keefe? You know what you're going to talk about, right? Do you need him here? He's not picking up.
Interviewer (02:31:15):
What?
Davis (02:31:15):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we already discussed that. I don't know when the fuck he... Nothing.
Diaz (02:31:15):
Me neither. Yeah.
Davis (02:31:15):
I'm talking about [inaudible 02:31:31] Wayne.
Diaz (02:31:15):
Where'd he go?
Interviewer (02:31:15):
How long before you start?
Diaz (02:31:38):
I need Wayne. I mean, I'm ready to start.
Speaker 16 (02:31:39):
Oh, you were listening. Yeah, I can't find the lawyer.
Interviewer (02:31:43):
Yeah, I just heard them say, "You don't need him here, do you?" He's like, "Yeah, I do."
Diaz (02:31:44):
How much time we got left? I mean, I wanted to talk a little bit about the fight.
Davis (02:31:44):
Man, I told... I wasn't comfortable wearing the little black stuff.
Diaz (02:31:44):
You didn't do what?
Davis (02:32:06):
I told her that we was in the office that day when we was arguing, you know what I'm saying? I said that, give me two weeks. And she said, "I gave you six months." And she said, "Keefe, I got the people here. Just shoot this woo woo." Smelling like shit. You know what I'm saying?
Diaz (02:32:22):
Right. Oh, you wanted to let her go do the whole thing again?
Davis (02:32:22):
Yeah.
Diaz (02:32:25):
Okay. We can do a little bit of that, maybe, sure. You all right? You look great. I have it already. We don't have to go through the entire story.
Davis (02:32:37):
I look great.
Diaz (02:32:37):
You look fine. Yeah.
Davis (02:32:40):
To you.
Diaz (02:32:40):
To me. To everyone. To everyone who's seen it.
Davis (02:32:48):
Hey, man, don't release that on the internet like y'all did the last time.
Diaz (02:32:49):
No, no, of course not.
Davis (02:32:49):
Who released that shit?
Diaz (02:32:55):
I wasn't even working here one night. I have no idea.
Interviewer (02:32:58):
Did you hear about that?
Davis (02:32:59):
You ain't worked there?
Diaz (02:33:12):
No, I've been here for five weeks.
Davis (02:33:12):
Oh.
Interviewer (02:33:15):
So he shot like a promo? He came in before Mario got hired and shot a promo and then somebody like BET or somebody leaked it.
Speaker 16 (02:33:22):
Somebody from [inaudible 02:33:25] I actually was here... I was here with him [inaudible 02:33:29].
Diaz (02:33:38):
So let's talk about the other stuff then, and then we'll get into that. [inaudible 02:33:40]. I'm just going to go back to the stuff that you talked about in the other-
Davis (02:33:39):
Okay.
Diaz (02:33:39):
And then we get to that. Yeah. Everybody ready to start?
Interviewer (02:33:44):
Yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 15 (02:33:49):
Can you give me a [inaudible 02:33:49].
Interviewer (02:33:49):
All right, here we go.
Diaz (02:33:49):
[inaudible 02:34:00].
Interviewer (02:33:49):
Yeah, yeah, got it.
Diaz (02:33:49):
So they're very close in front of you.
Interviewer (02:33:49):
No problem.
Diaz (02:33:49):
[inaudible 02:34:19].
Interviewer (02:35:14):
Move your chair for one sec. [inaudible 02:34:28]. I'll probably operate this [inaudible 02:34:59]. Yeah, yeah. No, I see it. Thank you. Are we a little tighter now or no? [inaudible 02:35:15]. I'm not seeing it. I just told him I thought it was fine. [inaudible 02:35:22].
Diaz (02:35:34):
All right, let's go. Eric?
Interviewer (02:35:36):
Yep. That's cool. I'm rolling.
Diaz (02:35:41):
Yeah. Oh, you are... Okay guys, can we settle?
Interviewer (02:35:45):
We are rolling. So everyone please make sure your phone is on silent [inaudible 02:35:49].
Diaz (02:35:50):
So last time when we talked about, you gave me a little bit of your background. Where'd you grow up? What was Compton like when you grew up? Why don't we talk a little bit about that just to get us warmed up?
Davis (02:36:00):
Okay.
Diaz (02:36:00):
Let me just move my chair up. So remember you're going to be looking at me and remember to try to speak in full sentences, right? I'm going to always stop you if you don't do it.
Davis (02:36:20):
Okay.
Diaz (02:36:20):
So I grew up in blah, blah, blah. My neighborhood was this...
Davis (02:37:39):
Okay. I grew up in Compton. I moved here in 1965 and it was all white back then. We was the first Black family on the street. It was pretty cool. Then the Blacks started moving in in like '69, '70, '71. Then most... Hold on, let me stop.
Diaz (02:37:39):
It's all right. [inaudible 02:37:40].
Davis (02:37:39):
No, I ain't-
Diaz (02:37:39):
I think it's the computer. Yeah. Sorry. I did. I did. I did. Now you turned it off.
Speaker 17 (02:37:39):
I turned it off.
Diaz (02:37:39):
It's off. Go ahead.
Davis (02:37:55):
Okay. I grew up in Compton, 1965. Moved out there. We was the first Black family on the street, literally in the neighborhood. So Blacks started moving in about '69, '70, '71. Most families, both of their parents, pops and moms and pops. Our neighborhood was pretty nice, pretty green grass. Then the gangs came in about '70, '71. Our neighborhood started gang banging in 1972.
Diaz (02:37:58):
And what affiliation were the gangs?
Davis (02:38:10):
It was Crips and Bloods. And our neighborhood was US at first. Then they turned to Crips in 1972.
Diaz (02:38:10):
And you were a good kid, you were telling me, right?
Davis (02:38:14):
Yes.
Diaz (02:38:14):
You were a good student and all that stuff.
Davis (02:38:15):
Good student, yeah.
Diaz (02:38:15):
How did you go... Tell me that, and then tell me how you fell in with gang activity.
Davis (02:38:15):
How I fell in with gangs?
Diaz (02:38:15):
Yeah.
Davis (02:38:15):
Really, how I fell in with gangs. It was a fad around our neighborhood. I was a good student, but I still was a gang member back then. I used to be like the ball boy for Compton College, so I knew older dudes and stuff like that. They gave me more wisdom-
Diaz (02:38:15):
Played ball with Suge Knight, right?
Davis (02:39:02):
Yeah. I played Pop Warner Football at Brady Compton with Suge Knight. His dad was a coach and stuff like that.
Diaz (02:39:06):
Was he a cool dude?
Davis (02:39:06):
Yeah, he was cool back then. He was like a year younger than us. Him and his cousin played on our team. He was twins. Ronald and Donald Knight, and Suge, all three of them played on the team. His dad was our coach.
Diaz (02:39:11):
Oh, really?
Davis (02:39:11):
Yeah.
Diaz (02:39:27):
Yeah. At some point you guys were tight, right? Back then?
Davis (02:39:27):
No, we were just football teammates. Yeah, we used to go over to his house. We'd win the games, go to his house, go swimming. Used to go to his other uncle house. Ronald and Donald house too, we go swimming over there after we'd win and stuff.
Diaz (02:39:48):
So let me check my notes here. When did you first hear about Death Row?
Davis (02:39:54):
Death Row?
Diaz (02:39:54):
Yeah. About the label and all that stuff.
Davis (02:40:00):
In 1990.
Diaz (02:40:03):
Tell me in a full sentence.
Davis (02:40:08):
I heard about Death Row in 1990 before Suge was even involved in it.
Diaz (02:40:13):
What was your impression? Is it true that you were somewhat involved at the beginning with them?
Davis (02:40:21):
Yes.
Diaz (02:40:21):
Can you explain what that was?
Davis (02:40:21):
I did the footwork for the project. I really didn't think it was going to work. Two years later it came up.
Diaz (02:40:21):
So what was that footwork?
Davis (02:40:21):
What was the footwork?
Diaz (02:40:21):
Yeah.
Davis (02:40:21):
Just the footwork, basic footwork.
Diaz (02:40:45):
Well, we have it on camera. You told me about delivering the money and all that stuff.
Davis (02:40:52):
Yeah.
Diaz (02:40:53):
So can you expand on that?
Davis (02:40:53):
What you say?
Diaz (02:40:54):
Can you tell me about it?
Davis (02:40:55):
I just did the footwork with the money part. Yeah, that's all. But I can't tell you who I did it for, you know what I'm saying? But I did the footwork for the project.
Diaz (02:41:11):
Sorry, I think maybe Wayne's calling. Hey, Randy? Can you check to see... Somebody from the reception is calling me? Oh, he is. Okay. Okay.
Davis (02:41:21):
Yeah, he need to be in here.
Diaz (02:41:33):
Yeah. So he's not going to have time? [inaudible 02:41:46].
Davis (02:41:42):
He's not going to have time for me? I'll go get him.
Diaz (02:41:53):
No, no, I'll do it. Let me just finish this thought before we forget it and he can wait for a second. So without naming names, what kind of people did you do the footwork for?
Davis (02:42:01):
Huh?
Diaz (02:42:01):
Without naming names, what kind of people did you do the footwork for?
Davis (02:42:03):
For bosses.
Diaz (02:42:07):
Yeah, just tell me in a full sentence, I did the footwork for...
Davis (02:42:10):
I did the footwork for bosses. Me and Suge got the same boss, really literally.
Diaz (02:42:10):
And was it drug money?
Davis (02:42:10):
Yes. Yes, it was.
Diaz (02:42:10):
In a full sentence, please.
Davis (02:42:10):
Yes, it was drug money.
Diaz (02:42:37):
Let me get Wayne then. We can stop now. Yeah. I mean, well, how much time do we have in that? [inaudible 02:42:45]. Okay. Yeah, let's just keep rolling.
Davis (02:42:52):
I ain't talking about me. I'm good. Okay, hey, yeah, I'm good.
Interviewer (02:43:03):
You're doing a good job.
Diaz (02:43:08):
I feel everything jiggling. I feel everything jiggling.
Davis (02:43:18):
So he is in there talking to Tara?
Diaz (02:43:20):
They're going to talk if you're not there.
Davis (02:43:21):
Why he do that every time I'm in there?
Diaz (02:43:24):
What?
Davis (02:43:24):
He supposed to be in there with me, dawg.
Diaz (02:43:28):
Just come in. It's just creating more headaches-
Davis (02:43:31):
But I'm saying, why would [inaudible 02:43:36] conversation [inaudible 02:43:39]. Some bullshit, man. I made this happen. And he told my sister that, I swear to God, man. And she stretch me every motherfucking month for rent money because he told her that.
Diaz (02:43:58):
Just please come in, yeah.
Davis (02:43:59):
Yeah. [inaudible 02:44:02] I've been doing this thing.
Diaz (02:44:03):
It makes my life more easy. Yeah, we're good.
Davis (02:44:07):
He really crossed me, nigga, no way in hell he'd even let that bull come up. He would've been saying something about my brother. Hell no [inaudible 02:44:31] he hooked us up. Matter of fact, I didn't even talk to him. I talked to you first about it. No, listen, I don't know if he was already going to his house and all that, spending the night and all that.
Diaz (02:44:39):
Oh, you got [inaudible 02:44:39]. He's talking to Tara and Tara has to leave, so he's going to be here in 10 minutes.
Davis (02:44:42):
Tara's got to leave. I need to talk to her too though.
Diaz (02:44:47):
Do you know where she is?
Davis (02:44:47):
Yeah [inaudible 02:44:53].
Interviewer (02:44:47):
I'll translate.
Davis (02:44:47):
Where Tara at?
Interviewer (02:44:47):
[inaudible 02:45:02] right, basically, yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:44:47):
[inaudible 02:45:01].
Speaker 20 (02:45:01):
Right, basically, yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:45:01):
[inaudible 02:45:03].
Speaker 20 (02:45:06):
That's a huge admission from an OG from Compton with verifiable connections to say on camera. Yeah [inaudible 02:45:14].
Mario Diaz (02:45:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 20 (02:45:11):
He's the go between.
Mario Diaz (02:45:11):
Why does this have to be so complicated? It's like the fucking [inaudible 02:45:19] it's unbelievable.
Speaker 20 (02:45:11):
Nobody's talking to Suge right now because he's cut off, but they fell out, but I don't know. Certainly not after Tupac's [inaudible 02:45:19].
Speaker 21 (02:45:18):
I'll get pushing to get everything going and then we can kind of figure out [inaudible 02:45:36].
Mario Diaz (02:45:35):
Hey. Doing good. Yep. [inaudible 02:45:36] I have it.
Speaker 22 (02:45:35):
We talked about 2:30 [inaudible 02:46:07].
Mario Diaz (02:46:11):
So I'll give it to you after. Yeah. I mean, I have to get it from them, but I can give it to you. So...
Speaker 21 (02:46:11):
[inaudible 02:46:17].
Speaker 22 (02:46:11):
[inaudible 02:46:19].
Speaker 21 (02:46:11):
As soon as we get everything done today, we can probably [inaudible 02:46:24].
Mario Diaz (02:46:24):
Well, I wanted to go to Vegas and-
Speaker 21 (02:46:25):
Do the hero shots [inaudible 02:46:26].
Mario Diaz (02:46:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 21 (02:46:25):
[inaudible 02:46:27] right after the hero shots [inaudible 02:46:30] we could probably could do 10 today [inaudible 02:46:35].
Mario Diaz (02:46:25):
I only have authorization for trial.
Speaker 21 (02:46:25):
[inaudible 02:46:38].
Mario Diaz (02:46:25):
We can talk-
Speaker 22 (02:46:25):
[inaudible 02:46:40].
Speaker 21 (02:46:25):
If you need it.
Speaker 22 (02:46:25):
Because I need a [inaudible 02:46:44].
Speaker 21 (02:46:49):
But then, when we go meet you in Vegas for your hero shots, we'll just bring the other... What was it? 26 [inaudible 02:46:53] does that work? Still want to get some good hero shots [inaudible 02:46:57].
Mario Diaz (02:46:49):
It's all good.
Speaker 22 (02:46:49):
[inaudible 02:47:01].
Mario Diaz (02:47:02):
Hi, Ashley. This Mario Diaz calling you back. Hi.
Ashely (02:47:03):
[inaudible 02:47:05].
Mario Diaz (02:47:03):
Good.
Ashely (02:47:03):
[inaudible 02:47:06].
Mario Diaz (02:47:03):
Okay.
Speaker 20 (02:47:16):
I don't know why they're taking a break. I didn't hear. Somebody couldn't get in or something.
Speaker 22 (02:47:20):
[inaudible 02:47:21].
Speaker 20 (02:47:20):
I don't know. I've not heard his voice, but he didn't say much about that.
Mario Diaz (02:47:26):
Yeah. He didn't mention it once.
Speaker 23 (02:47:26):
Oh, good.
Mario Diaz (02:47:26):
It was the wrong path.
Speaker 23 (02:47:26):
Oh, was going to take the wrong path?
Mario Diaz (02:47:26):
Hey there. How are you?
Speaker 24 (02:47:26):
[inaudible 02:47:38].
Mario Diaz (02:47:42):
I'm good. I'm actually... I just wanted to call you back real quick because I'm... but I'm doing interviews today, so I don't have a lot of time.
Speaker 24 (02:47:45):
[inaudible 02:47:47].
Mario Diaz (02:47:49):
Tell me.
Speaker 21 (02:47:50):
[inaudible 02:47:50] for lunch.
Davis (02:48:08):
Yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:48:09):
How did that get started?
Davis (02:48:13):
Oh, we had a place called Compton Hydraulics. My brother did. And they used to call up there and ask for lowriders.
Mario Diaz (02:48:14):
Who did?
Davis (02:48:30):
All kind of entertainers and movie people and everything. So that's all, yeah. Puff called Batman from... What's his name? Marcus Houston. Yeah, he called Hous. A few of them called him.
Mario Diaz (02:48:37):
And how did you end up in the videos?
Davis (02:48:39):
How did I end up?
Mario Diaz (02:48:42):
Well, you... your crew. I just-
Davis (02:48:45):
I never was in no video. I would never put myself out there like that.
Mario Diaz (02:48:48):
Wasn't Orlando in some of the videos too? I feel like I've seen his face in some of the videos.
Davis (02:48:50):
Not that I know of. Not that I know of.
Mario Diaz (02:48:58):
But you started hanging out with Puffy and going to concerts. How did that relationship start?
Davis (02:49:07):
He called one night.
Mario Diaz (02:49:07):
Who did?
Davis (02:49:33):
Puff. Puff called one night and asked us was it cool to come out on the West Coast for his concerts. Yeah. And so... shit. Then he came. The first concert we went to was in Irvine at the Summer Jam. And Suge was there. When they got off the stage, once Biggie had performed, Suge asked me how did I know them guys? And I seen he was kind of getting jealous then because Biggie had a hot record right then, had One more Chance. Yeah, that was the hottest thing going on at the time.
Mario Diaz (02:49:53):
So how did you get on stage with those guys?
Davis (02:49:59):
I knew some New York people that knew them. New York guys, yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:50:03):
So you were on stage during the performance?
Davis (02:50:07):
Yes. I was on stage with them, yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:50:11):
I wanted to ask you how that works because they call you guys up to see if it's okay to come to L.A. What does that mean? For some of us who don't understand how you-
Davis (02:50:23):
Hold on.
Mario Diaz (02:50:24):
Yeah.
Davis (02:50:29):
No, he would call and see if it was cool to come out here to L.A. because he was scared of Suge and them, you know?
Mario Diaz (02:50:33):
Yeah.
Davis (02:50:34):
They had beef. Some shit started in Atlanta or something. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:50:40):
Did you guys offer him security? Is that how it went down or?
Davis (02:50:46):
No, we ain't no security guards. You know what I'm saying? No, we just went to the concerts with him. I guess he was trying to be slick because we were Crips, and his enemies are Bloods. You know what I'm saying? I guess he was being smart, or I don't know. But me and Suge were friends, so I used to go to parties, everything with Suge. Me and Suge hit parties and all the clubs, all that.
Mario Diaz (02:51:11):
So at that point it was still cool?
Davis (02:51:12):
Yeah, we were still cool.
Mario Diaz (02:51:13):
You still talked to Suge, no problem? You still talked to... You hung out with Puffy's people, no problem?
Davis (02:51:19):
Yeah. No problem, yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:51:19):
When did it become a problem?
Davis (02:51:23):
I guess when that guy, Big J, got killed in Atlanta.
Mario Diaz (02:51:28):
Tell me about that.
Davis (02:51:31):
The word on the street was Puffy bodyguard killed him. Yeah, out there in Atlanta at a party or something.
Mario Diaz (02:51:44):
I want to understand how... Puffy is afraid that Suge's going to do something, so he calls you guys up, right?
Davis (02:51:53):
No, he was having a tour that year, a BET tour, and he was... Shit, I guess he was paranoid, scared. I guess he used the Crips. You know what I'm saying? Shit. So he just called and asked, "Can we come to the concert?" Yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:52:11):
Did you guys have a good time with him?
Davis (02:52:13):
Oh yeah, it was cool. Had a nice time.
Mario Diaz (02:52:15):
All right. So let's go through all that stuff we talked about last time. How many times did you meet Puffy?
Davis (02:52:20):
How many times have I what? Met Puffy?
Mario Diaz (02:52:21):
Yeah?
Davis (02:52:21):
Shit, I can't remember. It was so many times; I can't even remember. Can't remember. It was a lot of times.
Mario Diaz (02:52:28):
Was there a specific time and place where you guys talked about him being scared?
Davis (02:52:35):
Shit. At Greenblatt's on Sunset.
Mario Diaz (02:52:39):
What happened then?
Davis (02:52:40):
Shit. You eat upstairs at the deli, and you order your food downstairs. So me and him went downstairs and ordered a couple of champagne bottles, and we talked about it then.
Mario Diaz (02:52:54):
What did he say?
Davis (02:52:56):
What did he say? Shit, he was just scared of the guy and shit. That's all.
Mario Diaz (02:53:03):
Did he ask you to do something for him?
Davis (02:53:09):
Shit. Not really. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:53:11):
Yeah. He's nodding. He's saying yes.
Davis (02:53:31):
Okay. Yes, he asked us to do something for him, yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:53:32):
Can you tell me what that is?
Davis (02:53:36):
I guess he wanted the big guy taken care of. Yeah. Shit. That's all I know. Shit. I'm not no killer, so... Shit, I don't know why he was asking me, you know?
Mario Diaz (02:53:51):
Yeah.
Davis (02:53:51):
Yeah. Shit. That ain't my line of work. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:53:57):
So how did you meet Puffy initially? Was it through Zip? We talked about who Zip was. Let's dig in a little bit. Who's Zip, and how did you meet him?
Davis (02:54:09):
How I meet Zip? We played a baseball game at our park. It was a different neighborhood, and he happened to be their pitcher.
Mario Diaz (02:54:16):
He happened to be their pitcher?
Davis (02:54:20):
Happened to be their pitcher, yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:54:21):
And what was his line of work?
Davis (02:54:25):
What was his line of work? Well, he was a pimp, and he get money in the streets. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:54:31):
Were you guys in business together?
Davis (02:54:42):
No, not really.
Mario Diaz (02:54:42):
Just tell me what he did for you in terms of the Puffy relationship. Did he connect you to him? Is that who introduced you?
Davis (02:54:51):
Yeah, that's who introduced... yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:54:52):
So, please say that in a complete sentence.
Davis (02:54:53):
Oh, oh. Yeah, Von Zip introduced me to Puff. That's how I met Puff, yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:55:03):
Right. Let me just keep checking my notes here. So once you knew what Puff wanted, did you look for an opportunity to help him out with his problem?
Davis (02:55:28):
Oh, no, sir. I didn't need the money. I was well off my damn self. Matter of fact, he was just starting out, so my pockets was fatter than his.
Mario Diaz (02:55:37):
Okay.
Davis (02:55:37):
Okay.
Mario Diaz (02:55:40):
Tell me about your life during that time. You're pulling in a lot of money, right?
Davis (02:55:46):
Yes. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:55:49):
Paint a picture of what that looks like. What was it? How much money were you bringing in? How large were you living?
Davis (02:55:58):
Do I got to say that? It's not-
Mario Diaz (02:56:03):
You can give an idea. You don't have to be super specific to the dollar amount. Yeah. Just give me a sense of it.
Davis (02:56:11):
About 4.2, 4 million every month [inaudible 02:56:19] yeah. It wasn't mine, so... yeah, yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:56:24):
How much did you keep?
Davis (02:56:26):
About 20%. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:56:33):
So to you-
Davis (02:56:34):
That's how much I was making, yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:56:34):
So to you, the money didn't matter?
Davis (02:56:35):
Yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:56:38):
When things got hot in Vegas, and we'll talk a little bit more about that, but when things got hot in Vegas, was it about the money when you guys went after Suge and Tupac?
Davis (02:56:56):
Really, it seemed like they came after us. Jumped on my nephew at the... yeah. Seemed like they was targeting us. Yes.
Mario Diaz (02:57:07):
No, that's cool.
Davis (02:57:08):
Okay.
Mario Diaz (02:57:13):
So let's go back. I'm jumping around a lot. Let's go back to the Puffy thing. After you met with him at Greenblatt's, when did you see him again?
Speaker 25 (02:57:27):
[inaudible 02:57:29].
Mario Diaz (02:57:32):
The candy?
Speaker 25 (02:57:33):
Yes.
Mario Diaz (02:57:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 25 (02:57:33):
[inaudible 02:57:35].
Mario Diaz (02:57:35):
He can hear the candy going...
Davis (02:57:37):
Hold on. All right [inaudible 02:57:39].
Mario Diaz (02:57:39):
Either swallow it or spit it out.
Davis (02:57:44):
Okay.
Mario Diaz (02:57:47):
After you met him at Greenblatt's, did you see him again?
Davis (02:57:51):
After that?
Mario Diaz (02:57:52):
Yeah.
Davis (02:57:55):
Yeah, I've seen him a few times at concerts, a few concerts and stuff like that, yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:57:57):
And was he still concerned about the beef with Suge?
Davis (02:58:04):
No, not really. Shit, he had about 50 Crips with him. Shit. And he hired some Navy SEALs too. So Goddamn. I was like, "damn". Yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:58:12):
So just tell me the beginning of that though. So Puffy wasn't afraid because?
Davis (02:58:17):
Oh, Puffy, he wasn't afraid because he had 50 Crips with him, and plus, he had about 10 Navy SEALs in the room with him. Shit.
Mario Diaz (02:58:26):
Right.
Davis (02:58:26):
Yes.
Mario Diaz (02:58:28):
So let's talk about Orlando. Who's Orlando Anderson?
Davis (02:58:37):
Orlando Anderson is my nephew. My nephew, my best friend, and my son, everything. He's everything.
Mario Diaz (02:58:47):
You guys did a lot of stuff together, hung out, chilled out?
Davis (02:58:55):
He was a youngster, just graduated from high school. They jumped on him, 20-year-old kid. Some grown mans jumped on a kid. That's my nephew. You know what I'm saying? Seemed like he always picking on some kids. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (02:59:15):
Did he become part of your crew?
Davis (02:59:17):
No, not really. I would never put my nephew in a position like that, to be part of another crew like that.
Mario Diaz (02:59:27):
But, I mean, he's affiliated with gangs, right? He's affiliated with the Crips? He's not? I've seen pictures of him flashing gang signs.
Davis (02:59:37):
Well, shit. He grew up over there. That's the culture. Yeah, it's the culture over there. Yeah, that's all. He went to school. That's our neighborhood, period.
Mario Diaz (02:59:47):
So what happened? I want to set the stage for what happened at the lobby of the MGM, right? Somebody saw him and said, "That's the guy who stole my chain," right?
Davis (03:00:02):
Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:00:03):
There had been a previous incident at the Lakewood Mall.
Davis (03:00:09):
Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:00:10):
Can you tell me what you know about that stuff?
Davis (03:00:14):
It was this football player. I mean, it was a guy, one of my little homeboys named Marcus. He was going to play football for Arizona State. And we was up there to buy him some stuff to go play football with, like shoes to go off to college. We'd send him off right.
Mario Diaz (03:00:34):
You were there?
Davis (03:00:35):
No, I wasn't there.
Mario Diaz (03:00:36):
Okay.
Davis (03:00:37):
But they was there to send him off right, give him support so he could be all right when he go to college. It just so happened he run into three of the Death Row guys, and he was there by himself, and they was bird-dogging him, talking shit to him. Death row, Mob Piru, and all that, so shit... It jumped off. Marcus said he wasn't no punk; he can fight good. And he was a football player, so he athletic. He knocked the guy out, grabbed his chains as well. We ain't have no bounty on no chain. We don't want that little punk ass chain. You know what I'm saying? That little chain... yeah, that wasn't worth shit.
Mario Diaz (03:01:25):
So they started it?
Davis (03:01:26):
They started it, yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:01:28):
And who's Marcus?
Davis (03:01:31):
Marcus? He was a football player from... He was from our neighborhood. He was just graduated from Dominguez High School. He going to play football. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:01:39):
And he was there that day with-
Davis (03:01:40):
He was there at the mall by himself. Then, it was three guys from Death Row there from Mob Piru. They was bird-dogging him, talking shit to him... Because he had on a little S hat that represent our neighborhood. So they was bird-dogging him, and he... just so happened that my nephew happened to come up to the mall.
Mario Diaz (03:02:03):
He got involved because he saw what was happening, or how did he get there?
Davis (03:02:05):
How did my nephew get there?
Mario Diaz (03:02:05):
Yeah?
Davis (03:02:07):
No, they was going to meet him up there, so he can buy him some stuff. Send him off right to Arizona State. Good athlete, played strong safety.
Mario Diaz (03:02:18):
Yeah. I'm just trying to get straight. They were together when they encountered the guys from Death Row?
Davis (03:02:28):
No, Marcus was by himself.
Mario Diaz (03:02:30):
How did Orlando get involved there?
Davis (03:02:33):
Orlando and Marcus friends. They just graduated from high school. They all friends, played sports together. They came up to the mall to meet Marcus so they could help him... send him off right to college.
Mario Diaz (03:02:45):
No, I understand that. But when the shit started happening, where was Orlando?
Davis (03:02:51):
He was walking into the mall, walking into the Foot Locker. And Marcus seen his homeboys like, "We're even now, motherfucker." You know what I'm saying? And Marcus just took off on him.
Mario Diaz (03:03:05):
I understand.
Davis (03:03:05):
Knocked the dude through the shoes. Took his little chains.
Mario Diaz (03:03:09):
Right.
Davis (03:03:10):
Snatched his chain. Orlando didn't have nothing to do with that fucking chains, period.
Mario Diaz (03:03:14):
Because I understood that there was a bounty for the chain.
Davis (03:03:18):
That's bullshit. What? $200, $300 chains? Bounty? We didn't need that fucking chains.
Mario Diaz (03:03:26):
Yeah.
Davis (03:03:26):
Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:03:28):
All right. So that's Orlando. We go to Vegas now, right? In Vegas, you guys go to the fight. Tell me why you went to Vegas.
Davis (03:03:39):
We was going to the fight, the Mike Tyson fight. We've been going to the fight since like '88, '89 before rappers was even famous going to the fucking fights. The one fight I was at, I was sitting next door to Mike Douglas. MC Hammer was outside the fucking gate. I mean, trying to get into the motherfucking VIP section. So yeah, shit.
Mario Diaz (03:04:01):
Yeah.
Davis (03:04:02):
Yeah, I've been going to fights. Las Vegas, yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:04:07):
And you knew that Suge was going to be there?
Davis (03:04:11):
No, not really. I didn't know Suge was going to be there. I seen Suge the day before the fight outside in the lobby. He was in their Rolls-Royces. And then... Oh, shit. Yean, I seen him there, and he spoke to me and everything. Yeah, if we had beef, he should have said something there.
Mario Diaz (03:04:29):
So who were you with?
Davis (03:04:31):
Who were I with?
Mario Diaz (03:04:32):
Yeah?
Davis (03:04:33):
Shit. A few of my homeboys. Yeah, he seen me the day before the fight. Pulled up in this Rolls-Royce. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:04:43):
And Orlando, obviously?
Davis (03:04:47):
Yeah. I think Orlando was with us too, yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:04:52):
All right. So the next thing is you guys went to the fight.
Davis (03:04:57):
Yes, we went to the fight.
Mario Diaz (03:04:59):
And the fight ended quickly?
Davis (03:05:00):
Yes. Well, yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:05:03):
Is that Mike Tyson?
Davis (03:05:04):
Mike Tyson, yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:05:04):
Right.
Davis (03:05:04):
First rounder, yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:05:06):
And you wanted to eat somewhere.
Davis (03:05:07):
Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:05:10):
Right? Tell me what happened after the fight.
Davis (03:05:15):
We all sitting in different spots of the arena. I told everybody, "Let's meet up at the cafe in the MGM," so, shit... I seen Tupac and Suge them going to the fight. They seen me too. Shit. I went to the cafe and then some guys, some of my homeboys from East Coast Crips, came in there and said, "Hey, homie, the Death Row dude, Suge them, just jumped on your nephew." I'm like, "Oh, yeah?" Yeah, that's what happened.
Mario Diaz (03:05:55):
What'd you do? What'd you do then?
Davis (03:05:57):
I went to look for my nephew, make sure he was all right. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:06:16):
And what happened? Did you find him?
Davis (03:06:16):
Yeah, I found him. He said he was cool and stuff. His shoulder was kind of out of place. I said, "Do we need to go to the hospital," and then he... yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:06:16):
What did he tell you happened?
Davis (03:06:20):
He said they just rushed him. Said Suge and bunch of them just rushed him. Yeah, and Tupac.
Mario Diaz (03:06:27):
Why did it happen?
Davis (03:06:33):
We had no idea why it happened. I guess when we were at Lakewood Mall. But they seen us the day before. The fuck?
Mario Diaz (03:06:39):
So the day before... You're saying that Tupac and Suge both saw you and Orlando?
Davis (03:06:44):
I don't think Tupac was with him-
Mario Diaz (03:06:48):
But they-
Davis (03:06:48):
... because... yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:06:51):
What happened is... I mean, the way I understand is-
Davis (03:06:54):
Tupac had a hot head and just trying to take off with somebody, trying to be a gangster. I don't know. I guess he got a hot head for... crazy dude.
Mario Diaz (03:07:03):
Well, he claims that the stupid necklace... That's the guy who grabbed the necklace off of his friend.
Davis (03:07:11):
Yeah. That little $300 necklace? Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:07:16):
I know. It's funny, right?
Davis (03:07:17):
Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:07:18):
This shit is all over-
Davis (03:07:18):
All over [inaudible 03:07:19] yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:07:20):
About a stupid necklace, you know?
Davis (03:07:23):
Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:07:23):
And people die.
Davis (03:07:24):
[inaudible 03:07:24].
Mario Diaz (03:07:24):
What happened after that?
Davis (03:07:39):
What happened after that?
Mario Diaz (03:07:39):
Yeah.
Davis (03:07:39):
Shit. We went to the parking lot, got our cars. Went and had a little meeting. One of our little homies said he going to have a concert at the 662 club. So I was just going to just confront him and ask him why would he jump on my nephew, you understand? Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:08:06):
I understand. Just tell me what the little conference was about. You had a little meeting you said.
Davis (03:08:14):
What's that?
Mario Diaz (03:08:15):
You said you had a little meeting. What was that meeting about?
Davis (03:08:22):
No, we were just going to go to the 662 club and see if Tupac wanted to get down. You know what I'm saying? Since we friends, me and Suge friends, I just wanted to see if Pac wanted to get down because I'm quite sure my nephew would have knocked his ass out. Because my nephew an athlete, really. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:08:34):
Okay. And then what happened? You guys went off? Tell me, with as much detail as you can remember, what happened after that?
Davis (03:08:49):
Okay. This has been, what, 20 years ago almost? I'll tell you as much as I can.
Mario Diaz (03:08:52):
Of course.
Davis (03:08:55):
So we went to the store. I mean, we went to the 662 club. We were there about an hour. They didn't ever show up, so we left. Wanted to go party, so we brought some champagne, case of champagne. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (03:09:11):
Let's take it step by step. So you went to 662 to look for them, but they never showed?
Davis (03:09:17):
No, we went to see what it was about. You know what I'm saying? I wanted to talk to Suge because I've been knowing him since I was nine years old, shit. Plus, I helped him get his record business going. Shit. You know what I'm saying? You going to bite the hand that feed you? Shit.
Mario Diaz (03:09:37):
So you went into the club, and he wasn't there?
Davis (03:09:40):
No, I never went into the club. I just went in the back where they was going to come in.
Speaker 26 (03:09:44):
This is probably a good stopping point.
Speaker 21 (03:09:44):
Okay.
Speaker 26 (03:09:44):
I can go another three or four [inaudible 03:09:54].
Speaker 21 (03:09:55):
Well, JEA just said there was a mix up with the food, so we're looking at about 15 more minutes.
Speaker 26 (03:09:59):
Okay.
Speaker 21 (03:10:00):
But I can also give them their break and then bring it in 15 minutes. Get you just a natural stopping point, and we'll break.
Speaker 26 (03:10:08):
Okay.
Speaker 21 (03:10:09):
So this is it?
Speaker 26 (03:10:09):
This is it.
Speaker 21 (03:10:11):
Okay. All right. All right, we'll take our lunch break now. During this recess, you are admonished not to talk or converse amongst yourselves or with anyone else on any subject connected to the trial or read, watch, or listen to any reports or commentary on the trial of any person connected with this case by any medium of information, including without limitation, newspaper, television, the internet and radio, or form or express any opinion on any subject connected with the trial until the case is submitted to you. I'll have you guys back here at 1:30. Please rise for the jury.
(03:10:33)
For the record, the jury has exited the room. Anything we need to address outside the presence?
Speaker 26 (03:11:09):
No [inaudible 03:11:10].
Speaker 27 (03:11:10):
No, Your Honor.
Speaker 21 (03:11:11):
Okay. We'll be in recess.
Speaker 28 (03:18:00):
(silence)
Speaker 29 (04:17:49):
I'll give you guys a minute. We can go off. Back on record in State versus Davis, C377407. Anything we need to address before bringing in the jury?
Speaker 30 (04:18:04):
Not from the state.
Speaker 31 (04:18:04):
No, Your Honor.
Speaker 29 (04:18:04):
Okay, perfect. We'll bring him in.
Speaker 32 (04:18:07):
Let's go.
Speaker 33 (04:18:07):
Stand for the jury.
Speaker 29 (04:18:07):
Could the parties stipulate to the preference of the jury?
Speaker 30 (04:18:07):
Yes, Your Honor.
Speaker 31 (04:18:07):
Yes, Your Honor.
Speaker 29 (04:19:38):
You may be seated.
(04:19:42)
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Good to see you. State, we are still on Mr. Dorsey's testimony. You may proceed with your video.
Speaker 31 (04:19:51):
Thank you, Judge. And just for the record, we stopped at 40 minutes and 51 seconds and I'm going to circle back.
Speaker 29 (04:19:51):
Okay.
Video: Duane Davis (04:19:51):
So I wanted to talk to him about that situation.
Video: Diaz (04:20:06):
I assume it probably was very ... it was not ... It wouldn't be smart to go inside 'cause it's full of Bloods, right?
Video: Duane Davis (04:20:11):
Well, I'm quite sure they'd know not to touch me. 'Cause they've seen me before I went into the fight, seen me the day before the fight. You know what I'm saying?
Video: Diaz (04:20:28):
Right.
Video: Duane Davis (04:20:28):
Yeah.
Video: Diaz (04:20:28):
So you didn't see him there. You left after waiting for him for an hour, right?
Video: Duane Davis (04:20:32):
Yeah, I left.
Video: Diaz (04:20:37):
And then what happened?
Video: Duane Davis (04:20:37):
Went to the liquor Barn, stopped and got some liquor. Stopped and was going to party and shit. Had a little drinks and left, headed back for the hotel.
Video: Diaz (04:20:52):
Okay. And this is all with how many people? Who's in the car?
Video: Duane Davis (04:20:54):
It was four of us.
Video: Diaz (04:20:57):
Including?
Video: Duane Davis (04:21:10):
Including me and my nephew, a little boy Bubble Up and Big Dre. So, we're going up Flamingo, got to Las Vegas Boulevard and shit ... We were waiting there [inaudible 04:21:29] around. Happened to see my friends, Suge. Tupac was hanging out the window. There they go right there. So my partner bust a u, went by there, got up there by where he was. Shit. Pac looked like he got a gun, got the bustling. Shit. I got to duck. Shit. I got to bustling back, duck and hit the corner, made a right. So the white car got to chasing us, still bustling. We ditched them out, went in the back of the Carriage House. It's a hotel by the Carriage House. Got up out of the car.
Video: Diaz (04:22:20):
Okay. So let's again take it step by step. What car were you driving?
Video: Duane Davis (04:22:26):
I wasn't driving no car.
Video: Diaz (04:22:29):
Oh, what car were you in?
Video: Duane Davis (04:22:33):
A white Cadillac. A really white car Cadillac.
Video: Diaz (04:22:34):
Okay. And then when you saw them, how did you recognize them? When you were driving on the street, how did you know it was them?
Video: Duane Davis (04:22:44):
He was hanging out, Tupac was hanging out the window, passenger side window. Talking about, "This is Tupac." I mean, all the chicks was like, "Tupac, Tupac," and he was like a celebrity, like he was in a parade.
Video: Diaz (04:23:02):
And so after that, you knew that they were ... What were they driving?
Video: Duane Davis (04:23:07):
They was driving a BMW. Yeah. But shit. Once we got back to Compton, they was saying like me and Reggie and all them was shooting at the car. So we went and got the car painted. We took it to the paint shop, you know what I'm saying, so we turned the car in so there wouldn't be no evidence.
Video: Diaz (04:23:28):
Okay. Let's go back to the moment that it happened, right? So you're driving. You see Suge and Tupac in the BMW. You turn around, right? You described it as a U-turn.
Video: Duane Davis (04:23:40):
Yeah.
Video: Diaz (04:23:40):
So that you're facing. So you're coming from the opposite direction, right? Tell me what happened in that moment.
Video: Duane Davis (04:23:47):
What did you say? One more time.
Video: Diaz (04:23:50):
Tell me what happened in that moment when you finally come close to their car.
Video: Duane Davis (04:23:57):
No, we came up close. We came up on the gutter lane.
Video: Diaz (04:23:57):
Okay.
Video: Duane Davis (04:23:57):
Shit. Pac ...
Duane Davis (04:24:00):
Pac reached down and got his little shit, got to busting, shit. And we got the busting back, shit. I was never busting, I was the one ducking, shit. I didn't want to get hit. A couple of people had some little fragments of glasses in the hair and shit, you know? Shit. Once we hit that light on Cobalt, a white Seabreeze was chasing us, shit, and it was a lot of shots. We got the fuck on, and we made a right right through... There's another little street right there where The Carriage House was.
Mario Diaz (04:24:40):
So who pulled the trigger?
Duane Davis (04:24:49):
Who pulled the what?
Mario Diaz (04:24:50):
Who pulled the trigger?
Duane Davis (04:24:50):
I don't know to tell you the truth. I didn't see it.
Mario Diaz (04:25:00):
Did Orlando pull the trigger? Who's closest to the other car?
Duane Davis (04:25:07):
Big Dre was the closest to the other car, because I was talking, shit. The dude was crazy. I said, "This dude was really trying to get a reputation." He was jumping around. I was like, "Damn."
Mario Diaz (04:25:25):
I want to make this really clear. You mean to tell me that even though you were in the car with those three guys, and you talked to them a bunch afterwards, you don't know who shot the shots?
Duane Davis (04:25:47):
That would be incriminating myself.
Mario Diaz (04:25:47):
Okay. Are we cool with that, Ray?
Speaker 34 (04:25:47):
Let's take a break.
Mario Diaz (04:25:47):
Yeah. Okay. Just stop.
Duane Davis (04:25:47):
Let me hit a smoke too.
Mario Diaz (04:26:05):
Yeah, yeah. Come back. Just give me one quick second. All right, so let's go back to that... Okay. Describe Tupac. What did he look like? Did he look like he was going to pull something? Just tell me everything you remember.
Duane Davis (04:26:27):
Okay. When we pulled up, I was in the front seat, passenger side. He went down, got his shit, and got the busting. We got the busing. So shit, I ducked. All I know is shit came from the back seat, and he got the busting back. Shit, we hit the corner after the shooting, and another white car got to chasing us, they got to shooting too, shit.
Mario Diaz (04:27:00):
You told me that already. I just want to get it straight in my mind, who's sitting in the back?
Duane Davis (04:27:08):
My nephew and my partner, Big Dre.
Mario Diaz (04:27:10):
And who's driving?
Duane Davis (04:27:12):
My partner, Bubble Up.
Mario Diaz (04:27:17):
Behind the driver is Orlando, right?
Duane Davis (04:27:19):
No, Big Dre.
Mario Diaz (04:27:20):
Big Dre. And Orlando's on the other side behind you?
Duane Davis (04:27:23):
Yes.
Mario Diaz (04:27:26):
When the shots are ringing out, who's closer to the window?
Duane Davis (04:27:30):
Oh, Big Dre was. He was the same passenger, he was behind the driver. Big Dre was behind the driver.
Mario Diaz (04:27:39):
Where'd the shots come from?
Duane Davis (04:27:39):
From the back seat.
Mario Diaz (04:27:41):
Yeah, but who's closest? Who had the gun?
Duane Davis (04:27:46):
I don't know, sir, to tell you the truth. I was ducking.
Mario Diaz (04:27:52):
The fact that there was a gun there, does that mean that you guys were ready for something? Or you just-
Duane Davis (04:27:59):
No. We're gangsters, we're running with guns. Better be caught with it than without it.
Mario Diaz (04:28:05):
Do you remember anything else about that moment where the two cars met?
Crew (04:28:15):
[inaudible 04:28:17].
Mario Diaz (04:28:18):
Oh, I'm so sorry, man. Do you remember anything else about that moment?
Duane Davis (04:28:27):
No, not really. It was 20 years ago. Giving the best recollection I can remember.
Mario Diaz (04:28:34):
So let's talk about what we sort of started talking about outside. There's allegations by certain police detectives that you had made a statement about who shot Tupac.
Duane Davis (04:28:51):
Not to my recollection. I'm telling you the truth. You asked me for the truth, I'm here to tell you. 20 years, here to tell you.
Mario Diaz (04:28:59):
So-
Duane Davis (04:29:00):
Get it from the horse's mouth, right here.
Mario Diaz (04:29:03):
Was there ever any discussion about who actually did the shooting?
Duane Davis (04:29:09):
Was it ever a discussion with who?
Mario Diaz (04:29:10):
You guys.
Duane Davis (04:29:12):
No. That's the code of the streets. Shit, somebody can get out of free jail card when you tell people.
Mario Diaz (04:29:28):
What are your thoughts about Greg Kading and his investigation, and all the stuff that's been out there?
Duane Davis (04:29:36):
How I felt about it?
Mario Diaz (04:29:37):
Yeah.
Duane Davis (04:29:41):
Shit, I was railroad, I felt I was railroad, crossed, endangered my life, put me in a bad fucking situation, bad spot. Life been fucked up ever since. Don't nobody trust me. It's fucked up.
Mario Diaz (04:30:05):
Why don't they trust you? Because they think you snitched?
Duane Davis (04:30:07):
Yeah. Yeah.
Mario Diaz (04:30:10):
So can you tell me now whether what he published is true or false? Is there some truth to it? Some of it is true, some of it is false?
Duane Davis (04:30:22):
Shit, I think he just trying to make a dollar. He got fired. Trying to make a dollar off a motherfucker. Yeah, that's what I figure. He was just trying to, shit, use me so he can't use me no more. Shit, I'm fucking used up, man. Shit, he fucked over me, that's what I feel.
Mario Diaz (04:30:46):
And do you feel like the information that he has is completely false?
Crew (04:30:52):
Pause one second.
Mario Diaz (04:30:52):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Crew (04:30:52):
[inaudible 04:30:57].
Duane Davis (04:30:52):
Damn.
Crew (04:30:52):
[inaudible 04:31:00].
Mario Diaz (04:31:00):
The information that he has is completely false. I mean, it's known that they had a case on you, so you talked to them.
Duane Davis (04:31:13):
What'd you say?
Mario Diaz (04:31:15):
I said it's known that they had a case on you.
Duane Davis (04:31:16):
It's known?
Mario Diaz (04:31:18):
I mean...
Duane Davis (04:31:19):
Shit, not that I can remember. Shit.
Mario Diaz (04:31:28):
I'm trying to-
Wayne Higgins (04:31:29):
What are you asking?
Mario Diaz (04:31:29):
I'm trying to ask him to talk about what is known out there, the fact that he pointed at Orlando as being the shooter, and it's been published, and that's what... There are documents that have been published.
Wayne Higgins (04:31:48):
So I think the question is...
Mario Diaz (04:31:49):
So my question was, how do you feel about that? Is there any truth to that? What is true? What is false?
Wayne Higgins (04:31:55):
Right, but what I'm saying is you didn't ask him that question.
Mario Diaz (04:31:58):
I did. You weren't here.
Wayne Higgins (04:31:59):
No? Oh, really? Okay.
Mario Diaz (04:31:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Wayne Higgins (04:31:59):
So just ask him about was there an investigation, and there were statements made, and what is his opinion of the statements that were made.
Mario Diaz (04:32:07):
Pardon me? Can you repeat that again?
Wayne Higgins (04:32:09):
There's an investigation, there were statements made that you made certain allegations, and what is your opinion on those statements that they said was made.
Mario Diaz (04:32:17):
Right.
Duane Davis (04:32:17):
And what should I say, brother?
Wayne Higgins (04:32:21):
Well, you're going to comment about what the real truth is compared to what people are saying. Say, "This is what's true, and this is what people..." That's not true what people are saying.
Duane Davis (04:32:36):
Okay. All right. Come on. Yeah.
Wayne Higgins (04:32:36):
[inaudible 04:32:36].
Mario Diaz (04:32:36):
Of that stuff that's been made public, what is true and what is false?
Duane Davis (04:32:41):
I'm giving you the truth right here, sir. Getting it from the horse's mouth. So, shit, you can't get it no truer.
Mario Diaz (04:32:49):
Right. So what I want to know is if you were in the car, and you were there with your nephew, it's pretty close to what Greg Kading is saying, right?
Duane Davis (04:33:06):
Shit, is it pretty close? What'd you think?
Wayne Higgins (04:33:14):
I think he's going to understand what he's asking you. He's asking you-
Mario Diaz (04:33:21):
In your own words, in those tapes that were made public, and this book, Murder Rap, there's a film called Murder Rap, you, in your own words, were... We heard you say Orlando was the shooter.
Duane Davis (04:33:35):
You heard me say it?
Mario Diaz (04:33:36):
Yes.
Duane Davis (04:33:40):
Ain't nobody ever had no tape recorder with me, not to my knowledge. I don't know where the fuck he gets a tape recorder. That shit maybe was made up or something. I don't know.
Mario Diaz (04:33:50):
So you're denying that you ever said that Orlando was the shooter?
Duane Davis (04:33:51):
Yes, I'm denying.
Mario Diaz (04:33:57):
And your statement now is that you were in the car and shots rang out from your car, but you don't know who did it?
Duane Davis (04:34:02):
Exactly.
Mario Diaz (04:34:02):
Okay.
Duane Davis (04:34:02):
It came from the back seat.
Mario Diaz (04:34:06):
Okay. Is there any reason why you wouldn't be forthcoming about this information? In other words, is there a deal that you have in place that would not allow you to say any detail about that?
Wayne Higgins (04:34:23):
[inaudible 04:34:25].
Duane Davis (04:34:29):
I've lost you.
Wayne Higgins (04:34:30):
Do you want me to jump in [inaudible 04:34:35]?
Duane Davis (04:34:31):
Yeah. No.
Wayne Higgins (04:34:36):
The way he's asking the question, and the way when you want to answer the question is you want to explain to him that, one, you don't have a recollection of making a report, which is what you said. And secondly, the circumstances which police officers tried investigating is not consistent with what the truth is. What they're saying is different than what you're saying right now, which is you're really telling the truth because the police don't have any motive for you to tell the whole story is self-defense, and what really happened. They need to get to... You know what I'm saying?
Duane Davis (04:35:11):
Yeah.
Wayne Higgins (04:35:11):
You can be more detailed like that. That's how you're going to do it.
Duane Davis (04:35:11):
Okay.
Wayne Higgins (04:35:11):
Yeah. And you might want to mention that you really don't recall dealing with Kading in that way. You did deal with Dupree, remember you dealt with Dupree? So you might want to... That's only person that you remember.
Mario Diaz (04:35:33):
Well, let's start there, because it just feels like a big... It's getting confusing. Let's start there. You met with police, who did you talk to? And what did they want from you? What did you tell them, et cetera?
Duane Davis (04:35:54):
Well, what did I tell them?
Mario Diaz (04:35:56):
Well, yeah.
Duane Davis (04:35:58):
Shit.
Mario Diaz (04:36:00):
Let's start from the beginning. When did you meet with police? Who did you meet with, and what did you tell them?
Duane Davis (04:36:05):
Wayne?
Wayne Higgins (04:36:05):
I think he's asking you in general, not that situation. Did anybody ever show up or ask you questions-
Duane Davis (04:36:15):
Correct. Oh, shit. They've been sweating me for the last 20 something years, shit. Okay, you ready?
Mario Diaz (04:36:22):
I am.
Duane Davis (04:36:23):
Okay. Well, they've been sweating me for the last 20 something years ever since that day that shit happened, because the first news reporter came out said, "Keffe D nephew." Ever since then, I've been sweated by everybody, cop, the police, FBI, fucking everybody. U.S. attorneys fucking on my ass, man. I did five and a half years in the feds. Every other month they was up there saying, "He's a rapper killer." I've just been targeted. Just been on my ass ever since.
Mario Diaz (04:37:03):
And there's some truth to that, right? I mean, you were in the car.
Duane Davis (04:37:08):
Yes. Some truth. Yes. I was in the car.
Mario Diaz (04:37:17):
And then what statements did you give police?
Duane Davis (04:37:21):
The statement I gave police? Shit-
Mario Diaz (04:37:24):
In general.
Duane Davis (04:37:33):
I didn't give no statements. No, I ain't ever been tape recorded or nothing.
Mario Diaz (04:37:39):
But when it first happened, did they come and interview you?
Duane Davis (04:37:43):
Did they come and interview me? Yeah. Oh yeah, the FBI did. Oh, shit.
Mario Diaz (04:37:48):
What did you tell them? I guess what I'm asking is what did I tell them? Did you tell him what you're telling me today?
Duane Davis (04:37:54):
Nope.
Mario Diaz (04:37:54):
Why not?
Duane Davis (04:37:57):
Why not? Shit, probably go to fucking jail.
Mario Diaz (04:38:03):
So help me understand, why are you now telling me what you're telling me?
Duane Davis (04:38:11):
Because I wanted to get the truth out. You get it from the horse's mouth. One more time, Wayne?
Mario Diaz (04:38:21):
Is that okay?
Wayne Higgins (04:38:21):
I think it's one statement he may need to us correct. He said because you'll go to jail, but-
Mario Diaz (04:38:21):
Oh.
Wayne Higgins (04:38:27):
... you want to explain because you were innocent. I think you need to explain that.
Duane Davis (04:38:38):
Oh, okay. Because I'm innocent. I didn't have nothing to do with that. I was putting myself... I was in a fucked up situation. I'm innocent. I didn't do a motherfucking thing. Want to jeopardize my freedom when I've got good things going on. I was living good.
Mario Diaz (04:38:57):
That's right. You're telling me now because you wanted the truth to come out. Why is that important to you?
Duane Davis (04:39:08):
Because it's been several reports, and everybody just trying to make money off this shit. Everybody. Soliciting me, hanging me out to dry, making me feel like a piece of shit.
Mario Diaz (04:39:23):
Okay. So now let's just put that on the side for a while-
Duane Davis (04:39:33):
Okay.
Mario Diaz (04:39:33):
... and go back to what happened after the shooting. What did you guys do? How did you cover your tracks?
Duane Davis (04:39:45):
Well, I got away and I went to the hotel room. Then the next morning, woke up, and took off in the rental car that I had. Me and my nephew drove home. So once we got home, the guys were like, "Man, we need to get this car fixed." I said, "Man, I don't want nothing to do with that. Y'all go get that fixed."
Mario Diaz (04:40:12):
What was the matter with the car? Do you remember?
Duane Davis (04:40:14):
It had bullet holes in it. One of the little homies took the car to the shop, had the car painted.
Mario Diaz (04:40:24):
And then Orlando, I remember I read something about him giving some statements and stuff like that. Did you guys talk about what happened afterwards? Did you talk to your nephew about not saying anything?
Duane Davis (04:40:41):
That's just a code on the streets. They know not to say nothing, everybody... Just the code of the streets not to say nothing.
Mario Diaz (04:40:51):
When Suge had his parole hearing, Orlando testified on his behalf. Why did he do that?
Duane Davis (04:41:04):
Damn. Well, he paid us off. You want me to tell the whole truth? Well, the night before his hearing was court date. My nephew called me saying meet him up at the lawyer's office. So I get to the lawyer's office, it's Reggie Sr., Sergeant Reynolds, and Suge Knight up at the lawyer's office, and, shit, two Compton polices. One of them a captain and a sergeant, I was like, "What the fuck." So I knew some fishy was going on then.
Mario Diaz (04:42:06):
And he offered you how much?
Duane Davis (04:42:09):
He gave up $60,000.
Mario Diaz (04:42:12):
In exchange for?
Duane Davis (04:42:13):
To say that he didn't do nothing.
Mario Diaz (04:42:16):
For Orlando to say that?
Duane Davis (04:42:17):
Yes.
Mario Diaz (04:42:20):
Just give me that in a full sentence.
Duane Davis (04:42:22):
Well-
Mario Diaz (04:42:22):
Not going to hear my voice.
Duane Davis (04:42:23):
Okay. Well, my nephew asked me to come up to the lawyer's office, and I get there, Suge Knight, Reggie Wright Sr., and Sergeant Reynolds from the Compton PD was there at the lawyer's office. And he was trying to work out a deal where nephew wouldn't say that the guy kicked him. But it didn't work, because the next day the judge said, "I can see him kick you in the head right fucking now."
Mario Diaz (04:43:03):
Did Orlando regret that?
Duane Davis (04:43:06):
I'm sorry?
Mario Diaz (04:43:07):
Did he regret it?
Duane Davis (04:43:08):
Did he regret what?
Mario Diaz (04:43:10):
Going to court and saying this stuff that wasn't true.
Duane Davis (04:43:16):
It's a code in the streets, man. Shit.
Mario Diaz (04:43:19):
What's interesting about this is that... At this point, does Suge know that you guys were in that car?
Duane Davis (04:43:29):
Not that I know of. I don't know.
Mario Diaz (04:43:35):
Just give me a-
Duane Davis (04:43:36):
Not that I know.
Mario Diaz (04:43:38):
You understand where I'm coming from, right?
Duane Davis (04:43:39):
Yeah, because the newspaper article came out and said, "Keffe D nephew." I just want to know why the fuck he's saying my fucking name. When I figured his strategy was, to kill the head of the snake. Chop off the head of the snake. The rest of the party will fall.
Mario Diaz (04:44:02):
Right. But I'm talking about paying you off to go to court and say that Suge had nothing to do with the... He's the victim, right? You're paying him off.
Duane Davis (04:44:15):
We're the victim.
Mario Diaz (04:44:16):
No, no, no.
Duane Davis (04:44:16):
Oh.
Mario Diaz (04:44:16):
What I'm saying is Orlando's the victim.
Duane Davis (04:44:19):
Yes.
Mario Diaz (04:44:20):
Yeah. He was the one who got beaten up.
Duane Davis (04:44:21):
Beaten up. Beat the fuck up. Yes.
Mario Diaz (04:44:22):
He goes-
Duane Davis (04:44:22):
A kid.
Mario Diaz (04:44:23):
... and says that Suge didn't beat him up, which is clearly not true.
Duane Davis (04:44:28):
Yeah.
Mario Diaz (04:44:28):
Right?
Duane Davis (04:44:28):
Yeah.
Mario Diaz (04:44:29):
But on top of it, you guys had shot at him, and he doesn't know that.
Duane Davis (04:44:40):
I can't tell you because he's the only one from his crew really that know me, and the newspaper article came out saying, "Keffe D nephew." So I figured he said it from day one, "Get rid of Keffe D." Shit.
Mario Diaz (04:45:00):
So he had it out for you?
Duane Davis (04:45:01):
I thought we're fucking friends. I really just though we were friends, man. He really was biting off the hands that fed him. He didn't know that I did the groundwork for his record company. This motherfucker was beating my nephew, a kid.
Mario Diaz (04:45:24):
Something I wanted to ask you before, and I forgot to ask you was the day before the fight when you saw him, what did you guys talk about?
Duane Davis (04:45:34):
He just said, "What's up? What's up, big dog?" I said, "What's up?" We two major players in the game, but we got the same boss, shit. He just had the music industry and I had the streets. That's all.
Mario Diaz (04:45:49):
But you guys were cool?
Duane Davis (04:45:50):
Yeah, we was cool. Yeah, we played football since we was little kids.
Mario Diaz (04:45:54):
No, but I mean in that moment, when you saw him the day before the fight?
Duane Davis (04:45:58):
Yeah. He acted cool, shit.
Mario Diaz (04:46:00):
Yeah. Yeah. Another question that I remember that I wanted to ask you is who shot the Cadillac? Because you had to get-
Duane Davis (04:46:07):
They were saying it was Pac. I don't know why they did even test me for powder burns. I don't know why-
Mario Diaz (04:46:14):
Sorry. I talked in the middle of it. Tell me again, please.
Duane Davis (04:46:18):
I don't know why the police didn't check him for powder burns because he got to shooting and everything. I was duck. Car was all shot the fuck up.
Mario Diaz (04:46:28):
Okay. Okay. Just moving on. We've got 15 more minutes. How much time do you have on those cards? Are we good?
Crew (04:46:39):
[inaudible 04:46:43]. 11.
Mario Diaz (04:46:43):
11? Okay, cool. Just give me a second. Let me just pull this up.
Duane Davis (04:46:52):
You want me to say about Reggie threatening me the next day?
Mario Diaz (04:46:55):
I thought that was for you. You said-
Duane Davis (04:46:57):
You want me to do it?
Mario Diaz (04:46:57):
... you wanted to keep that to you. Yeah, of course.
Duane Davis (04:47:01):
Okay. All right. We're rolling.
Mario Diaz (04:47:03):
Yeah. Go for it.
Duane Davis (04:47:06):
Okay. Well, the next day I got on, I was in my front yard about 4:15. Here come Reggie Sr. coming up from Greenleaf off Burris, ran the stop sign and everything, parked on the wrong side of the street. Jumped out the car talking about, "Hey, Keffe D. Let me tell you something, motherfucker." I said, "What's up?" He's like, "If you kill my motherfucking son, belt's coming off. You get your motherfucking ass." I said, " What the fuck is you talking about?" He said, "I'm just letting your ass know, motherfucker." I just looked at him crazy, "What the fuck is you talking about?" Reggie Sr., so it was bad. The mayor and everybody was against us, man. Yeah, everybody. The whole town. The whole-
Mario Diaz (04:48:02):
And can you explain who... Because I don't know that a lot of people know who Reggie Sr. is.
Duane Davis (04:48:05):
Reggie Sr. is a Compton police. He's a captain. They had another guy, Reynolds. It was all under the Death Row banner.
Mario Diaz (04:48:16):
Can you-
Duane Davis (04:48:16):
Even the mayor, Omar Bradley was all up under that shit.
Mario Diaz (04:48:22):
Can you tell me what... Because I think we touched on that before, but I didn't really get a good picture, is how affiliated was Suge with LAPD?
Duane Davis (04:48:34):
LAPD and Compton Police.
Mario Diaz (04:48:38):
And Compton Police, yeah.
Duane Davis (04:48:39):
Yeah, he was all shit. Most of the guys was from his neighborhood. A lot of the guys from... Like David Mack, Reggie Sr., Reggie Jr., Patterson, Reynolds, all them was from his neighborhood. So that's how he got that plug with them. Shit. It was really, really dangerous for us. I just really tried to stay out of the city of Compton.
Mario Diaz (04:49:10):
Because when you go against Suge, you're going against Compton?
Duane Davis (04:49:13):
Yes.
Mario Diaz (04:49:13):
Can you tell me that in a sentence?
Duane Davis (04:49:14):
When you're going against Suge, you're really going up against the police, Compton Police, Rampart, all that, all his neighborhood friends. So he kind of had a winning battle. Who else better to have on your team is the police, so we was fighting a losing battle with them guys. Raid our little spots, take all our guns.
Mario Diaz (04:49:41):
So that's cool, because I wanted to establish that connection because a lot of people don't know that he was protected.
Duane Davis (04:49:48):
Yeah, he was protected by the mayor, city councilmans, Compton PD, big ranking fellas.
Mario Diaz (04:49:56):
Who he was paying off?
Duane Davis (04:50:00):
Shit, he was buying police cars and stuff like that, and giving out turkey drives for the city, all that shit. So he was really protected. He was in there.
Mario Diaz (04:50:09):
So when he was giving out turkeys to people, or having shit in the park, whatever, free food for people, that's to pay off cops?
Duane Davis (04:50:21):
No. They had very nice cars that they shouldn't have on no police salaries. Very nice cars.
Mario Diaz (04:50:31):
It's crazy that the record business paid for that.
Duane Davis (04:50:36):
Yeah. I paid for that.
Mario Diaz (04:50:38):
Yeah.
Duane Davis (04:50:38):
Yeah. I started them off.
Mario Diaz (04:50:41):
Right.
Duane Davis (04:50:42):
Yeah.
Mario Diaz (04:50:42):
Yeah. No, I hear you. So I wanted to establish that connection. I also want to ask you, what's the connection between Puffy and Zip? Because you never told me that. You told me that he introduced you to Puffy, but I don't know what their relationship is.
Duane Davis (04:50:59):
I didn't really know that. I didn't get deep into that. It was just, "Oh, shit." I was a major player. I had the brand.
Mario Diaz (04:51:10):
Right.
Duane Davis (04:51:11):
Yeah.
Mario Diaz (04:51:12):
So it's just that Zip came to you and then that's how you ended up meeting Puffy?
Duane Davis (04:51:17):
Yes.
Mario Diaz (04:51:18):
Okay. Sorry. I think I-
Duane Davis (04:51:32):
Three minutes?
Mario Diaz (04:51:34):
Nine more minutes.
Duane Davis (04:51:35):
Okay. [inaudible 04:51:36].
Mario Diaz (04:51:37):
No, I think we went over a bunch of shit.
Duane Davis (04:51:43):
Oh-
Mario Diaz (04:51:43):
[inaudible 04:51:44].
Duane Davis (04:51:44):
... let's go back to Chris. I want to take Chris Brown out of there though.
Mario Diaz (04:51:52):
Who-
Duane Davis (04:51:52):
What I said about them dudes being Bloods.
Mario Diaz (04:51:52):
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Duane Davis (04:51:52):
Yeah. Take Chris Brown out of there, because my niece-
Mario Diaz (04:51:54):
You have to tell me the whole thing again then so I can use it.
Duane Davis (04:51:57):
Okay. My niece-
Mario Diaz (04:51:59):
Sit back-
Duane Davis (04:51:59):
Okay. Sit back?
Mario Diaz (04:52:00):
Yeah.
Duane Davis (04:52:00):
All right.
Mario Diaz (04:52:02):
Go ahead.
Duane Davis (04:52:03):
About the Chris Brown?
Mario Diaz (04:52:04):
Yeah.
Duane Davis (04:52:04):
Okay. Well, these guys running around here claiming Bloods, these little entertainers like Justin Bieber, Bow Wow, and what's the guy's name on Love & Hip Hop?
Mario Diaz (04:52:20):
We had the same question last time. Somebody came-
Duane Davis (04:52:23):
That tall...
Mario Diaz (04:52:23):
... off with it. What's the guy's name?
Crew (04:52:25):
[inaudible 04:52:26].
(04:52:25)
[inaudible 04:52:28].
Mario Diaz (04:52:25):
What's that?
Crew (04:52:25):
Soulja Boy.
Mario Diaz (04:52:25):
Soulja Boy.
Duane Davis (04:52:29):
Okay. Oh, let me start over again. All right. Well, as far as the guys claiming Bloods, it's Justin Bieber, Bow Wow, and Soulja Boy. It's just a fab, y'all need to stop that stuff out. People from our background that's trying to get up out of this stuff. You guys wait to get a million dollars and want to be a Blood, that's wrong, y'all doing it backwards. You guys not from here. You get caught up in that bullshit because you guys are doing it backwards. You guys should be trying to lead for examples, set example for kids. Don't try to gangbang.
Mario Diaz (04:53:14):
You told me that last time. You gave me a really good quote. You were like, "You're doing it the other way around. You're doing it backwards.
Duane Davis (04:53:20):
Backwards.
Mario Diaz (04:53:21):
You're supposed to be getting-
Duane Davis (04:53:23):
Out of the hood.
Mario Diaz (04:53:23):
... [inaudible 04:53:26], so tell me-
Duane Davis (04:53:25):
Okay. You supposed to be getting out of the hood, not coming back million dollars going into the hood. Our object is to get out the hood. Get out of gangs. You are guys doing it backwards. You guys need to cut that bullshit out.
Mario Diaz (04:53:41):
Because we talked about Tupac, is that how you felt about Tupac?
Duane Davis (04:53:45):
Yeah. Yeah. I feel all these guys, entertainers, you guys fake it.
Mario Diaz (04:53:50):
Yeah, but Tupac specifically, what was it about him?
Duane Davis (04:53:53):
What was it about Tupac?
Mario Diaz (04:53:54):
That you didn't like? Because you told me you didn't like him last time?
Duane Davis (04:53:56):
I didn't ever say I didn't like him.
Mario Diaz (04:53:59):
Yes, you did. You thought he was a punk-ass gangster wannabe or something, you said.
Duane Davis (04:54:05):
Oh yeah, he going around jumping sets. He going around jumping sets. First you went to Outlawz. He was from New York, Baltimore, Oakland. Goddamn, that's against the code, man. You can't be jumping sets, homie. Stick the one set, homie, because you tripping. And that ain't the way to go, you don't supposed to join the gang, supposed to be getting out of the gang. 25, become a grown man and get up out that shit. Shit ain't about nothing. It'll to prison or the fucking graveyard. So best thing to do, Justin Bieber and them, stay the fuck away from that bullshit, because that ain't right. I'm telling you from an OG.
Mario Diaz (04:54:54):
What-
Crew (04:54:54):
[inaudible 04:54:55].
Mario Diaz (04:54:56):
How long?
Crew (04:54:57):
A minute or two.
Mario Diaz (04:55:01):
Okay. How-
Duane Davis (04:55:03):
The threats. Mike Tyson and them. You'd like to do that too?
Mario Diaz (04:55:06):
Yeah, go for it.
Duane Davis (04:55:07):
Okay. A few people threatening me on the internet. Mike Tyson, Treach, Spice 1. Stick to rapping and boxing, you guys ain't about that life, man. You don't want to do life in prison. You need to cut that bullshit out, man.
Mario Diaz (04:55:28):
So you're telling all these people not to do this?
Crew (04:55:30):
[inaudible 04:55:32].
Mario Diaz (04:55:31):
Oh, go for it. I'll just give you the question while he changes that.
Duane Davis (04:55:36):
Okay. I'm telling all these people not to do this and I'm no fucking leader.
Crew (04:55:40):
[inaudible 04:55:41].
Mario Diaz (04:55:41):
Well, but also-
Duane Davis (04:55:42):
I quit though.
Mario Diaz (04:55:42):
Yeah. Oh, good.
Crew (04:55:43):
[inaudible 04:55:44].
Mario Diaz (04:55:43):
So you say that. Say that, because that's part of why you're talking to me now, because you're out of the game?
Duane Davis (04:55:47):
Yeah. I'm 50 something years old, grandkids.
Mario Diaz (04:55:49):
Right, right.
Crew (04:55:50):
[inaudible 04:55:50].
(04:55:50)
Thank you. [inaudible 04:56:12].
(04:55:50)
[inaudible 04:56:12].
Mario Diaz (04:56:21):
I have to say, I think the tie and the suit looks better than the penguin shirt.
Duane Davis (04:56:26):
My daughter and them said I look like a swap meet bum, "Daddy, if you let them put... I swear to God, that's shit that from the swap." They know. Tell the truth, homie. That shit-
Crew (04:56:36):
[inaudible 04:56:37].
Duane Davis (04:56:36):
Yeah. Yeah. [inaudible 04:56:41].
Mario Diaz (04:56:36):
It's like a [inaudible 04:56:41].
Duane Davis (04:56:40):
Told me the bird on your chest is what you have there.
Crew (04:56:41):
Yeah. I mean, but I know it's not [inaudible 04:56:45].
Duane Davis (04:56:46):
Yeah. Yeah. No. Shit, it's Versace, homie.
Crew (04:56:49):
Yeah. Yeah. It's hella clean, man.
Duane Davis (04:56:50):
Yeah, man. Okay, the belt 1,400, shoes 2,200. Balling, man. Shit.
Crew (04:56:58):
That's right.
Duane Davis (04:56:59):
Yeah, if it wasn't for me Suge would have never had a record company, homeboy.
Mario Diaz (04:56:59):
All right, what-
Crew (04:56:59):
Suge would say...
Duane Davis (04:57:00):
[inaudible 04:57:00] wouldn't have never had a record company homeboy.
Diaz (04:57:02):
We're going to do four or five more and then we're done.
Mr. Sanft (04:57:06):
[inaudible 04:57:06]. I can't see anything
Diaz (04:57:12):
Yeah, you're seeing it completely on A. Yeah, you're good. So I just want to pick that up. So you were telling all these people not to go back, right?
Duane Davis (04:57:24):
Yes.
Diaz (04:57:25):
But that was your life.
Duane Davis (04:57:27):
Yes. I'm trying to tell them not to make the same mistake I made. You know what I'm saying?Get up out that shit, man. It ain't worth it. I'm 54 years old, got seven grandkids. You know what I'm saying? It ain't about that, man.
Diaz (04:57:41):
What did you learn that you want to make sure these guys don't. What mistakes did you make that you don't want people to make?
Duane Davis (04:57:49):
The mistakes I made? What, as far as the drug game, man?
Diaz (04:57:55):
Yeah. Whatever. Yeah.
Duane Davis (04:58:02):
[inaudible 04:58:01]. Mistakes I made with trusting people. You know what I'm saying? Everybody ain't your homeboys. You know what I'm saying? It just ain't right, man. A lot of people folded like folding chairs homie.
Diaz (04:58:17):
I mean, were you ever afraid? I'm sure getting out of the game makes it better to live with some peace of mind. Nobody's going to jump you all of a sudden.
Duane Davis (04:58:26):
Yeah.
Diaz (04:58:26):
Is that true?
Duane Davis (04:58:30):
I'm a killer. I was just messing with you. We going to go over this stuff before you put it on the air, right?
Diaz (04:58:37):
Yeah.
Duane Davis (04:58:37):
She said we going to chop it up [inaudible 04:58:39].
Diaz (04:58:38):
Yeah. We're going to make it look good.
Duane Davis (04:58:40):
Okay.
Diaz (04:58:41):
All right. So a couple of serious questions. Tupac dies. How do you feel about it? I mean, this is a guy who was a major rap star, movie star. You're telling me...
Duane Davis (04:58:55):
How do I feel about it?
Diaz (04:58:55):
You're telling me now that people shouldn't act like gangsters. Do you feel sad about it at all?
Duane Davis (04:59:02):
How do I feel about it? Well, I hate the brother, he put himself in the predicament, stuff like that. Just take it off. That ain't the way you go. Life don't go like that, just taking off on innocent people. My nephew was young, 20 years old, just take off on him. He didn't do nothing to you. He didn't do nothing to you.
Diaz (04:59:29):
So you think it was deserved?
Duane Davis (04:59:32):
No, I don't think it was deserved. Brother should have kept himself to himself and I hate it. I hated that it had to go that way because it really fucked up my life. Period.
Diaz (04:59:46):
Yeah. Do you think about his family?
Duane Davis (04:59:48):
Yes.
Diaz (04:59:49):
What do you think about it?
Duane Davis (04:59:53):
I hate that it had to go that way. You know what I'm saying? Lord be with you guys. That's the way I feel.
Diaz (05:00:03):
Since you said it ruined your life, do you have concerns about revealing all this stuff to me now?
Duane Davis (05:00:10):
Oh, shit the Lord got me. I'm protected by the Lord, the hand of the Lord. Got a shell over me. He held me through cancer and everything. He kept a shell on me from being killed by the Compton Police, just Rampart, all that. When I was in... Yeah. Shit.
Diaz (05:00:32):
Yeah. Since you told us about what happened that night in Vegas, do you feel bad? Do you feel like you want to apologize to Tupac's family?
Duane Davis (05:00:47):
Yes. I hated it had to happen, bro. You know what I'm saying? He was a good guy. I mean, I hated that had to happen. He was a good rapper and stuff. He was a good role model for the people. I just hate he had that bad side in him. You know what I'm saying? Always wanting to take off.
Diaz (05:01:04):
Do you want to apologize to his family?
Duane Davis (05:01:09):
No. No, I didn't do nothing. I didn't do nothing to his family.
Diaz (05:01:15):
Okay. One last time. You said the shots came from the back. Big Dre, Orlando. Who shot Tupac?
Duane Davis (05:01:31):
I'm going to keep it for the code of the streets. It just came from the back seat, bro.
Diaz (05:01:38):
So can you just tell me it was either one or the other?
Duane Davis (05:01:44):
Can't tell you that. It was in the back seat.
Diaz (05:01:47):
I mean, this is not, I mean, Duane, this is not something that we don't know already. You told me who was seated in the back and you're saying the shots came from the back. So I'm asking you to tell me in your own words that either it was one or the other.
Duane Davis (05:02:02):
I don't know who it was. It just came from the back seat.
Diaz (05:02:08):
They're both dead.
Duane Davis (05:02:10):
Yeah.
Diaz (05:02:13):
What's your concern?
Duane Davis (05:02:14):
What's my concern?
Diaz (05:02:15):
Yeah. I mean, honestly, just...
Duane Davis (05:02:20):
Right now, I just want to... I mean, the Lord is protecting me, so I really don't have no concern. I'm in the hands of the Lord. Yeah. All my people is religious.
Diaz (05:02:33):
No, I mean, your concern in revealing who shot Tupac.
Duane Davis (05:02:37):
What's my concern?
Diaz (05:02:37):
Yeah.
Duane Davis (05:02:44):
I don't have no concern. I just don't want anyone be saying I'm a fucking rat and running around like that, dude.
Diaz (05:02:51):
So this is about your code, right?
Duane Davis (05:02:54):
Yes.
Diaz (05:02:54):
Can you tell me that?
Duane Davis (05:02:55):
Yeah. Oh, this is about the code. It came from the back seat on. I'm tired of everybody trying to extort money. You know what I'm saying? Everybody just out for the money being greed. You know what I'm saying? It's a bunch of bullshit. They've been soliciting us for years, man.
Diaz (05:03:22):
All right. One more question. You know how I do my little research? I read that a Glock 40 was found in Corey's yard. Is that true? Corey Edwards?
Duane Davis (05:03:33):
Well, they said Corey was the first one that made statements about the situation. I never gave Corey no gun, and nobody from that car never gave Corey no gun.
Diaz (05:03:53):
Can you tell me how the gun ended up in the car?
Duane Davis (05:04:02):
I didn't have no gun. I don't know who had a gun.
Diaz (05:04:05):
Okay. What happened to the gun after the murder? What'd you guys do with it?
Duane Davis (05:04:12):
I have no recollection what happened to that gun, sir.
Diaz (05:04:19):
Okay.
Duane Davis (05:04:22):
So you know about Corey snitching me out like that?
Diaz (05:04:24):
No. I mean, I just read that... I didn't know about the snitching, I knew that the gun was found in his backyard.
Duane Davis (05:04:31):
Yeah. His neighbor got killed. This shit ain't going on the thing is it? It is?
Diaz (05:04:33):
No, no. Talk to me.
Duane Davis (05:04:35):
No, his neighbor got killed. He got scared.
Diaz (05:04:38):
Right.
Duane Davis (05:04:38):
[inaudible 05:04:38]. You know what I'm saying? Oh, man.
Diaz (05:04:45):
All right, man. Well, do you think somebody tossed a gun to frame him? The one that was found in the backyard?
Duane Davis (05:04:54):
That was bullshit. Corey was just trying to get out of trouble.
Diaz (05:04:54):
Right.
Duane Davis (05:04:56):
Yeah.
Diaz (05:05:01):
We'll pick it up in Vegas then. Yeah?
Duane Davis (05:05:05):
[inaudible 05:05:05], that's what he said.
Diaz (05:05:06):
Told you. I mean, that's what Tara wants too. It's not just me. Thanks, man.
Higgins (05:05:14):
Yeah. [inaudible 05:05:14] that's something that I want to talk about but I would think maybe you might want to ask some aesthetic questions now. Was it sunny? Was it clear? Were windows up and down? You might now.
Diaz (05:05:34):
Well yeah, let's get that real quick. Yeah. I mean, it's actually. It's nighttime so...
Higgins (05:05:40):
Yeah, but you might want to mention it. He did say it happened at night. [inaudible 05:05:44]
Diaz (05:05:43):
Let's just do it real quick.
Higgins (05:05:45):
Just the setting.
Diaz (05:05:46):
Three minutes.
Duane Davis (05:05:46):
My sister going to kill me, man, if I don't go to cook that food.
Diaz (05:05:49):
It's your lawyer who's asking you.
Higgins (05:05:50):
It's just setting. [inaudible 05:05:54].
Diaz (05:05:55):
Because it helps the description. Yeah, let's keep rolling. Sorry guys. Randy, do you have anything?
Randy (05:06:01):
I have no idea. I'll tell you and you can tell me if it's recording.
Diaz (05:06:04):
Okay. I'm just going to stand right here.
Duane Davis (05:06:09):
Okay.
Diaz (05:06:10):
Just so that we can sort of paint a picture about that night. Just tell me, was it cold? Was it warm? It happened in...
Duane Davis (05:06:20):
It was warm. It was kind of warm. September 7th. It was warm. It was warm and, shit... What else? What else?
Diaz (05:06:34):
Were you guys drunk? Because you...
Duane Davis (05:06:36):
No. No, we weren't drunk or nothing. [inaudible 05:06:41]. We was going to go get our drink bottles and smoke some weed and stuff.
Diaz (05:06:46):
You knew what you were doing.
Duane Davis (05:06:46):
I'm sorry?
Diaz (05:06:46):
You weren't under the influence? Nevermind. Were you driving fast? How fast were you driving? How slow were you driving?
Duane Davis (05:06:57):
I was never driving. I was in the passenger seat.
Diaz (05:06:58):
You were in the car, so...
Duane Davis (05:07:00):
Oh, we took it... We know not to burn rubber, that would put us on [inaudible 05:07:04]. From being in Compton, you know not to burn rubber and stuff like that. Shit.
Diaz (05:07:14):
How long were you driving around till you saw them? How long did you drive around until you saw them?
Duane Davis (05:07:20):
Hell, it wasn't long. We just all left the liquor store and it took about five, 10 minutes to the casino.
Diaz (05:07:33):
And what were you doing before that? You just driving around? Just tell me that.
Duane Davis (05:07:36):
No, no. We was going back to the liquor store, going to the hotel to our hotel room.
Diaz (05:07:41):
So you were not out there looking for them specifically?
Duane Davis (05:07:44):
No.
Diaz (05:07:45):
You just happened to see them?
Duane Davis (05:07:46):
Just happened to see them.
Diaz (05:07:47):
So it was their bad luck?
Duane Davis (05:07:48):
Yeah, it was bad luck. If he hadn't even been out the window, we would've never seen him. He was hanging out the window like he was in the parade. Tupac, the ladies was hollering at Tupac, going like this, hanging out the window.
Diaz (05:08:04):
Okay. Any other details that are important. [inaudible 05:08:10]. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you see...? Well, you just told me...
Duane Davis (05:08:12):
It was dark, nighttime. Nighttime. What time was it? About 9:00? At nighttime, yeah. Dang, [inaudible 05:08:25] you on that?
Diaz (05:08:24):
Did you guys have the windows down? Was the radio playing?
Duane Davis (05:08:30):
Yeah, the radio was playing. We were just going to get out and have some fun. Yeah.
Diaz (05:08:34):
Okay. Randy, what you got? You can ask him.
Randy (05:08:39):
Well, I just think there was. [inaudible 05:08:44]. There was word on the street that Orlando, after the shooting, was taking credit for it.
Duane Davis (05:08:55):
No.
Randy (05:08:55):
Can you speak to that, react to those sentiments?
Duane Davis (05:09:01):
Orlando would never go around bragging about no stuff like. Why would he incriminate himself? You know what I'm saying? If he did some stuff like that. Orlando would never do no stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? Never in his life.
Randy (05:09:17):
So to the best of your knowledge, there was no chatter in the streets between the two gangs about that?
Duane Davis (05:09:24):
No, not to my knowledge. I heard that he had a hit out on me for $100,000, so I ain't worried about that.
Randy (05:09:34):
Describe that. What did you hear about this hit?
Duane Davis (05:09:36):
What's that?
Randy (05:09:37):
What did you hear about this hit?
Duane Davis (05:09:41):
Yeah, the meeting at Lueders Park and he said he had a hit out on me. I just started laughing.
Randy (05:09:46):
Who had a hit out on you?
Duane Davis (05:09:48):
Shit, the fucking Death Row Pirus. Maybe the police. That's the only person I was worried about was the police because they can handcuff you and pull you over and kill your ass. You know what I'm saying? Shit. Yeah.
Diaz (05:10:06):
You good? [inaudible 05:10:16].
State Attorney (05:10:23):
Mr. Dorsey, those were the two conversations we listened to in 2017, correct?
Mr. Dorsey (05:10:27):
Yes.
State Attorney (05:10:28):
And then in 2018, the finished product the jury saw yesterday, that was Mario Diaz's finished product?
Mr. Dorsey (05:10:36):
Yes. February of 2018 is when the show premiered.
State Attorney (05:10:39):
At some point, did you become aware of a book written by Mr. Davis and a Jusuf Yah?
Mr. Dorsey (05:10:47):
Yes. It was maybe late 2018 when I think a Twitter account popped up under Keffe's name and they were starting to promote it and put excerpts from the book up. That's when I knew for sure the book that he had mentioned during his interview with Death Row Chronicles that that was actually happening.
State Attorney (05:11:10):
And then in 2019, did you actually get a copy of the book?
Mr. Dorsey (05:11:13):
Yes. As soon as the book was published, like the first day, I got a copy and read it.
State Attorney (05:11:17):
Did you read it?
Mr. Dorsey (05:11:19):
I did. I read it immediately in one go, one sitting.
State Attorney (05:11:23):
Subsequent to that, have you seen Mr. Davis hold the book up and claim ownership of this book?
Mr. Dorsey (05:11:31):
Yes. When he did his first Vlad TV interview, Vlad TV is a channel on YouTube that's a really popular interview channel, that was in, I think, the summer of 2019, he at one point held up a copy of his book and told people that they should read it and that it was the real truth.
State Attorney (05:11:52):
First, I'm going to show you State's proposed exhibit 67 and 68. I'd ask you to take a look at those.
Mr. Dorsey (05:12:01):
Yep.
State Attorney (05:12:03):
Do those appear to be the front and back cover of that book that Mr. Davis was displaying and taking ownership of?
Mr. Dorsey (05:12:10):
Yes, they do.
State Attorney (05:12:11):
Move to admit.
Judge (05:12:12):
Any objection?
State Attorney (05:12:13):
No objection, Your Honor.
Judge (05:12:13):
So admitted.
State Attorney (05:12:18):
Showing you what's been marked as 127, just briefly flip through that, that's the Kindle version because there is a redaction in there. While he's doing that, I'm going to put 167 and... 167.
Mr. Dorsey (05:12:57):
Yes, sir.
State Attorney (05:12:58):
Appears to be the Kindle version of that particular book?
Mr. Dorsey (05:13:04):
Yes, sir.
State Attorney (05:13:06):
I don't want to go through the entire book with you.
Mr. Dorsey (05:13:08):
Thank you.
State Attorney (05:13:09):
I do have some questions. Does Mr. Davis in the first chapter describe his purpose in writing this book?
Mr. Dorsey (05:13:22):
I don't recall exactly what he says at the beginning of the book.
State Attorney (05:13:25):
Okay. The jury will have it back, so...
Mr. Dorsey (05:13:26):
Yeah. Thank you.
State Attorney (05:13:27):
I guess, Judge, I'll move to admit, what is that? 127?
Judge (05:13:32):
Is that the book? So Kindle excerpts of the book.
State Attorney (05:13:37):
It's the Kindle book with the court's redaction.
Judge (05:13:40):
Okay. Any objection that hasn't previously been litigated?
Mr. Sanft (05:13:44):
Your Honor, may I approach?
Judge (05:15:36):
You may. That will be admitted.
State Attorney (05:15:39):
Within this book, does the defendant... Well, let me ask you this. Do you know who Michael Durrogh is?
Mr. Dorsey (05:15:48):
Yes. Michael Durrogh Jr., street name was Lil Al. He was Orlando Anderson's best friend. I understand going back to when they were toddlers.
State Attorney (05:15:57):
And in the book, does Mr. Davis claim that he had some little homies in Las Vegas and that's how he learned about the 662?
Mr. Dorsey (05:16:09):
Yes. He said that there were people that were locals there that had heard the advertisements that the concert was happening that night with Tupac.
State Attorney (05:16:15):
Judge, I'm going to ask you to take judicial notice of State of Nevada versus Michael Durrogh 96C13644 in the 8th Judicial District Court of Nevada, that Michael Durrogh was bound over to district court on June 13th of 1996 for trafficking in a controlled substance and transporting a controlled substance, pled guilty, and on August 20th of 1996 was remanded to bootcamp and was in bootcamp at the time of the homicide.
Judge (05:16:44):
Give me the case number again.
State Attorney (05:16:45):
96C136488.
Judge (05:16:46):
93649?
State Attorney (05:16:47):
96C136488.
Judge (05:16:55):
488. Okay, perfect. Give me one second. Durrogh, D-U-R-R-O-G-H?
State Attorney (05:17:09):
Yes, ma'am.
Judge (05:17:10):
Let me check. Judgment of Conviction. There is a judgment of conviction from a plea on 2/3/97 showing that. Judicial notice is taken.
State Attorney (05:17:34):
Thank you. And specifically that he was remanded to the custody of NDOC on August 20th, 1996 and remained there through the time of the homicide.
Judge (05:17:47):
August 20th, there was a hearing status check on 120 day evaluation. And then he was ordered committed. The order of commitment was 8/22/96. Okay. I'll take that judicial notice then.
State Attorney (05:18:02):
Thank you, Judge.
Judge (05:18:03):
Thank you.
State Attorney (05:18:04):
I'm sorry. Did you give Michael Durrogh's moniker?
Mr. Dorsey (05:18:07):
Yeah, it was called Lil Owl. Lil Owl on the street. Owl like the bird.
State Attorney (05:18:12):
Within the book, does Mr. Davis use a different moniker for Lil Owl?
Mr. Dorsey (05:18:16):
Yes, he calls him The Reaper.
State Attorney (05:18:21):
We just heard Mr. Davis talk about Corey Edwards in that second interview.
Mr. Dorsey (05:18:27):
Right.
State Attorney (05:18:27):
Do you know who Corey Edwards is?
Mr. Dorsey (05:18:29):
Yes. He was at the time a close associate of Keffe D's. I think he referred to him as a lieutenant in his organization.
State Attorney (05:18:37):
And the moniker, he uses the real moniker in his book, correct?
Mr. Dorsey (05:18:40):
His name was C-Ray.
State Attorney (05:18:44):
At the end of... Well, before I get to the end of this book, early on, does the defendant describe his early criminal career that ultimately resulted in some convictions that sent him to prison?
Mr. Dorsey (05:18:59):
Yes.
State Attorney (05:19:02):
And Judge, I have marked as state's proposed exhibit number 73 and 74 a felony conviction for possession of a controlled substance in Municipal Court of Compton Judicial Court, County of Los Angeles, State of California in case number A636901, as well as same charge, case A637226.
Judge (05:19:33):
Any objection? You asking to admit this?
State Attorney (05:19:35):
Yes.
Judge (05:19:35):
Any objection, Mr. Sanft?
Mr. Sanft (05:19:37):
No objection, Your Honor.
Judge (05:19:38):
So admitted.
State Attorney (05:19:41):
Mr. Davis also describes going to prison for three or four years in the late '80s.
Mr. Dorsey (05:19:50):
Yes. He refers to it as Gladiator School.
State Attorney (05:19:56):
Now at the back of the book, he calls out some people that he's upset with.
Mr. Dorsey (05:20:02):
Yes.
State Attorney (05:20:04):
One of those people is...
Mr. Sanft (05:20:06):
Objection, Your Honor as to leading.
Judge (05:20:09):
Okay. Will you rephrase?
State Attorney (05:20:10):
Do you know... Well, who's Uchis?
Mr. Dorsey (05:20:15):
Uchi?
State Attorney (05:20:15):
Yeah.
Mr. Dorsey (05:20:18):
Uchi, I think we believe is Wynn. Wynn Prince, who was a very good friend of his that he believed had snitched him at some point.
Mr. Sanft (05:20:24):
Your Honor, I'm going to object to this as speculation.
Judge (05:20:27):
What's your response, State?
State Attorney (05:20:29):
Well, I'll lay a little more foundation.
Judge (05:20:31):
Okay. So it's sustained at this time. You may attempt to lay more foundation.
State Attorney (05:20:35):
What does Mr. Davis say about Uchis in the book?
Mr. Dorsey (05:20:40):
He says that Uchi has been a good friend of his since they were shooting.
Mr. Sanft (05:20:41):
Before he answers the questions, may we approach?
Judge (05:27:18):
Yes. All right. You're to disregard the last answer to the incomplete question. State, you may proceed.
State Attorney (05:27:23):
Thank you. Can you describe to me what the defendant describes about Uchis in the book?
Mr. Dorsey (05:27:29):
Sure. He says he's one of his oldest friends, describes him as his right-hand man, and says that he is dead, that he's been killed. All three of those things line up with Wynn Prince.
State Attorney (05:27:38):
I'm going to ask you the next question, which is, what do you know about Wendell Prince?
Mr. Dorsey (05:27:45):
Not a whole lot other than just he was really tight with Keffe. There's a great photo of them together, there's actually several photos of them together over the years. And I think Wendell Prince was ultimately killed, I think in a backyard over a drug deal or something like that. And I believe Keffe was listed as a pallbearer at his funeral.
State Attorney (05:28:05):
What does he say about Tucker in the book?
Mr. Dorsey (05:28:07):
He says that he is the brother of NBA player Tayshaun Prince, and there's only two brothers of Tayshaun Prince, and only one of them is involved in any of the street business, which would be Thomas Lamar Prince. And I'm not sure what else he says about Prince as far as, but I think he's listing people he has grievances with.
State Attorney (05:28:29):
And finally, you don't know, there's a person named Menace.
Mr. Dorsey (05:28:33):
Right.
State Attorney (05:28:34):
You're unable to identify him.
Mr. Dorsey (05:28:35):
We've never been able to figure out who Menace is. There was a South Side Crip with that street name, but we don't think that that's who it is.
State Attorney (05:28:42):
Now you've been involved in this project, well, I guess it's 2012.
Mr. Dorsey (05:28:45):
Correct.
State Attorney (05:28:49):
In 2012, did you go and look at all the publicly available information there was that you could find?
Mr. Dorsey (05:28:59):
Yes.
State Attorney (05:29:01):
Did you... I'll start with defense exhibit A. Can you put it on me? I would do this actually like this, but Mr. Davis in 2008 said that the girls...
Mr. Sanft (05:29:29):
Objection, your honor. It's leading.
State Attorney (05:29:30):
I'll rephrase.
Judge (05:29:30):
Okay.
State Attorney (05:29:33):
What did Mr. Davis say in 2008 about girls on the corner?
Mr. Dorsey (05:29:39):
He said that after the shooting happened, that they drove forward and hit the right turn on the Koval, just like he was in the white Cadillac and that they almost collided with each other. He referred to them as stupid bitches and said that they shot back at them and the girls stopped.
State Attorney (05:29:57):
As of 2008, when that statement was made, was there any public information of a car...
Mr DiGiacomo (05:30:00):
Eight when that statement was made, was there any public information of a car chasing the Cadillac?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:30:05):
There was not. There was no public information about the girls in a Sebring chasing a Cadillac, no. Nor about them almost colliding with each other.
Mr Sanft (05:30:13):
I'm going to object, Your Honor, as to foundation. How does he know about public knowledge?
Judge/The Court (05:30:17):
Sustained.
Mr DiGiacomo (05:30:18):
In the public information you were able to find, were you able to find any information?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:30:23):
That's right. I've never seen that before 2008 printed anywhere that there was a near collision between the girls in the Sebring and the white Cadillac as they were fleeing the area.
Mr Sanft (05:30:30):
Once again, I'm going to object as to foundation. Public knowledge as to how exactly is he talking about?
Judge/The Court (05:30:36):
If you could lay more foundation about what he's reviewed to ultimately state this.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:30:43):
Sure.
Mr DiGiacomo (05:30:44):
What did you review?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:30:45):
The definitive book for a long time on this case was Kathy Scott's book, The Killing of Tupac Shakur, probably dozens of news articles from back then that I went back through. I went to UCLA's archives and went through their newspaper archives looking for articles about this. I read the Labyrinth book by Randall Sullivan, which was primarily about Biggie's murder, but also covered Tupac's murder to some extent. It just isn't anywhere that I could find.
Mr DiGiacomo (05:31:11):
Now, Kathy Scott does say girls in a Chrysler sedan, correct?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:31:17):
Correct. She does not say Sebring. She just says a Chrysler. And she doesn't say anything about them going around the corner.
Mr Sanft (05:31:25):
And once again, I'm going to object to that in terms of hearsay. We're now getting into other people's work and he's quoting it verbatim. I'm not quite clear how that's not hearsay.
Judge/The Court (05:31:36):
Is it offered for its truth, Mr. DiGiacomo?
Mr DiGiacomo (05:31:39):
It's offered for the fact that it wasn't said. Not anything that was said.
Judge/The Court (05:31:45):
Okay. So I'm going to overrule the objection. The jury's not to consider what Ms. Scott wrote in her book for truth in any way. It's only to be considered to show that that wasn't included. This specific detail was not included in her book. You may proceed.
Mr DiGiacomo (05:32:00):
Then finally, I'm going to put up for you Defendant's Exhibit B. And if I could figure out how to zoom because I never use these. So here we go. I want you to read that to yourself.
Judge/The Court (05:33:02):
Got it.
Mr DiGiacomo (05:33:05):
Prior to, I can't even remember what day, sometime last week when this report became public, are you aware of any public information that Mr. Anderson was trying to get into the Cayote Cafe?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:33:21):
I've never heard of that.
Mr DiGiacomo (05:33:24):
Thank you, sir. I pass the witness.
Judge/The Court (05:33:32):
Okay. Cross.
Mr Sanft (05:33:32):
Mr. Dorsey, are you a detective with Metropolitan Department?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:33:36):
Nope.
Mr Sanft (05:33:38):
And your testimony here today is really based upon your work for this... Let me make sure I got the right book here. Murder Rap?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:33:48):
No, I had nothing to do with the writing of that book.
Mr Sanft (05:33:50):
I don't care about the writing of the book, but you're here because of the Chronicles, the Death Row Chronicles thing that you did, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:33:56):
Let's make sure we're talking about the correct things. I did not write that book. I had nothing to do with it. I made the Murder Rap documentary that came a couple of, or a few years later that was based on that book, and then I was a consultant on Death Row Chronicles series that we've been playing the interview from here.
Mr Sanft (05:34:13):
Do you recall when the state asked you that you were first involved with this in 2012?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:34:20):
Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:34:20):
In what way were you involved in this in 2012?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:34:22):
Yes. In late 2012, I came across an article about Greg Kading's Murder Rap book, and that's what first alerted me that the book even existed. And I reached out to Greg, asked if he wanted to make a documentary. He sent me a copy of the book and said, "Read it." And if I'm still interested, he's interested.
Mr Sanft (05:34:41):
And your job really was, for the next couple of years, was to, what? Do your own independent research?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:34:47):
Combination of doing my own independent research and also having Greg explain to me a three, four year long investigation that he had conducted.
Mr Sanft (05:34:55):
And your testimony to the jury was that you spent a couple years doing that.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:34:59):
Correct.
Mr Sanft (05:35:00):
And in terms of the books that you had mentioned that you had used was Murder Rap, which is this book right here, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:07):
Yes, sir.
Mr Sanft (05:35:09):
Written by Greg Kading?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:10):
Correct.
Mr Sanft (05:35:11):
And then you also used Kathy Scott's book, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:14):
That's correct, yes.
Mr Sanft (05:35:14):
This book right here?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:15):
Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:35:15):
Do you know what version of her book that you used?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:19):
I'm not sure what version I used.
Mr Sanft (05:35:21):
And then you used another book. And what was that final book?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:24):
There was one called Labyrinth by Randall Sullivan.
Mr Sanft (05:35:27):
Did you say that before?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:29):
I said it just a minute ago, yes.
Mr Sanft (05:35:30):
Okay. And what other books besides that one?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:32):
I'm not sure.
Mr Sanft (05:35:34):
Any other books?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:35):
Not that I can think of off the top of my head, but there might've been some others.
Mr Sanft (05:35:39):
How about Welcome to Death Row by Lee Savage?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:44):
No. I've seen the docu-series that he produced though.
Mr Sanft (05:35:47):
How about this book here by Frank Alexander, who was present on the night of the shooting?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:53):
I've read excerpts from that.
Mr Sanft (05:35:55):
Excerpts?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:55):
Yes, sir.
Mr Sanft (05:35:55):
Not the whole thing?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:35:56):
No.
Mr Sanft (05:35:57):
Okay. How about this book here? I think you'd mentioned this before. Original Gangsters?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:36:03):
Yes, I've read that book.
Mr Sanft (05:36:03):
That's the one you said before?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:36:05):
No, I don't think I've mentioned that one yet, but I have read that. I know the author.
Mr Sanft (05:36:10):
And then how about this book here? Looks like it's an autobiography, Only God Can Judge Me by Jeff Pearlman.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:36:16):
Yes, I've read that one.
Mr Sanft (05:36:18):
All right. Now, fair to say that when you are... Your job here and what you've done is... Talk to us a little bit about you or your work in a documentary, right? That's what you're doing here today as your testimony.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:36:32):
Sure, and what I learned in the process of making a documentary, yes.
Mr Sanft (05:36:35):
Right. And what you learned in the process of making a documentary. And I just want to make sure we're clear for the jury. Documentaries really is a business, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:36:44):
Sure. It's not a very good business, but yeah.
Mr Sanft (05:36:47):
Yeah. In fact, you could do a lot better than sitting up here today talking or testifying about a murder that took place 30 years ago, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:36:54):
I could do better, what, business wise?
Mr Sanft (05:36:55):
Yeah.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:36:56):
Sure. If I was running a show for Discovery like I do in the past, yes, that pays very well.
Mr Sanft (05:37:00):
Sure. And with regard to what you do with the business, and I want to make sure the jury understands, there is a project, there is sort of an idea that's out there that's formulated, and then at some point there's a discussion as to whether or not it's marketable or not, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:37:14):
Correct.
Mr Sanft (05:37:15):
And then maybe you go out and you farm it out for people to invest in the project and maybe provide money and funding for the project?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:37:23):
Sometimes you do, and sometimes you just do it yourself.
Mr Sanft (05:37:23):
Right. And the idea behind it at some point is because you want to be able to sell your product to the viewers, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:37:30):
That's part of the idea, but that's not the only reason I make it.
Mr Sanft (05:37:32):
Sure. Now in this case though, when you are looking through your documentary, you're doing a documentary here on the Death Row Chronicles, right? Death Row chronicles meaning Death Row or what was it?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:37:46):
No, I'm focused mainly on the murders of both Tupac and Biggie.
Mr Sanft (05:37:50):
All right. And you team up with Greg Kading?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:37:54):
I do.
Mr Sanft (05:37:55):
And Greg Kading, I would imagine in your work over the two years that you did the research, you were looking through all the details of what you could find of the Tupac murder?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:38:05):
Yes, but he also turned over his case files from the LAPD to me so-
Mr Sanft (05:38:09):
Can you describe for us what those case files looked like?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:38:11):
Absolutely. They were digitized case files. It was over 2,700 PDF reports going back to '97 or so, probably over a hundred hours of audio of interviews with witnesses and potential suspects, photos, crime scene photos, mainly of the Biggie case, that kind of thing.
Mr Sanft (05:38:35):
Anything else?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:38:39):
Off the top of my head, that's mainly it. Well, there was some video from the Biggie shooting. There was some home video that was entered into as evidence.
Mr Sanft (05:38:48):
All right. And when you were doing your research, the two years of research you did on this particular project, you interviewed detectives?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:38:59):
I did. I interviewed Greg Kading, I interviewed Kelly Cooper, who was one of the original detectives out of Wilshire homicide on the Biggie case, I interviewed... Well, those are the two main detectives I interviewed for the case.
Mr Sanft (05:39:12):
All right. I just want to hear something to do with Las Vegas Metro. Did you interview any detectives in Las Vegas Metro?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:39:18):
I did not.
Mr Sanft (05:39:19):
You do understand that the homicide of Tupac Shakur was the responsibility of Las Vegas Metro?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:39:26):
100%.
Mr Sanft (05:39:27):
And as of right now, you're telling us you interviewed a guy by the name of Greg Kading, who's from California, and some girl from California as well?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:39:36):
No. Kelly Cooper's a man, but yes.
Mr Sanft (05:39:39):
Okay, fine. Kelly Cooper is a man.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:39:40):
Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:39:41):
But both of those people are in California?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:39:42):
Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:39:43):
All right. Now, in addition to that, can you tell us, for instance, who the detectives were that were the lead detectives from Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department that handled this investigation?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:39:56):
Sure.
Mr Sanft (05:39:56):
Please don't interrupt.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:39:56):
Okay.
Mr Sanft (05:39:58):
Go ahead.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:39:59):
You're done? Okay. Sergeant Manning. There was a, I believe, a Detective Becker, a Detective Long.
Mr Sanft (05:40:06):
Anybody else?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:40:07):
That's all I'm aware of off the top of my head.
Mr Sanft (05:40:09):
Okay. Are you aware of a Detective Mogg?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:40:12):
Yes. The current or most recent detective, yes.
Mr Sanft (05:40:15):
Now, when you finally put this project together, I'm assuming at some point you called Metro and say, "Hey, we got the guy who's confessed now to the crime," right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:40:27):
I do once Death Row Chronicle's airs.
Mr Sanft (05:40:30):
I'm sorry, what?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:40:30):
After Death Row Chronicles airs, I reach out to Metro Police. Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:40:33):
Yes. You reach out to Metro Police. Who is it that you spoke to at Las Vegas Metro?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:40:38):
Well, first I got on their website and just emailed their general info@homicide email address. And a while later, Detective Mogg responded to me and we started going from there.
Mr Sanft (05:40:51):
So you know who Detective Mogg is?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:40:52):
I do, yes.
Mr Sanft (05:40:54):
Now, in fact, you were given an interview at some point in the future by The Sun from England. Do you recall meeting with a reporter?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:41:03):
Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:41:04):
James Desborough?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:41:05):
Desborough, yes.
Mr Sanft (05:41:06):
Okay. And in that interview, you had told Mr. Desborough that you had sent out a hundred emails to Metro?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:41:15):
Eventually. Once we're going back and forth, yes.
Mr Sanft (05:41:18):
Okay. And those emails were all concerning the Tupac case?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:41:22):
Yes. Correct.
Mr Sanft (05:41:24):
Now-
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:41:24):
And that was over the course of several years.
Mr Sanft (05:41:26):
It's fine.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:41:28):
Okay.
Mr Sanft (05:41:28):
But once again, you had said, "Hey, we have information. We have information. Please look at my documentary," right? Something along those lines.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:41:34):
No, that's not what I said. I said, "Watch Death Row Chronicles."
Mr Sanft (05:41:38):
I apologize.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:41:39):
You keep conflating my documentary with the series, Death Row Chronicles. I did not make Death Row Chronicles. I was just a consultant on it.
Mr Sanft (05:41:46):
Okay.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:41:46):
But that's the one where Keefe first went public with his interview, which made it noteworthy enough for me to be like, "You should look at this. This is new information for your case."
Mr Sanft (05:41:54):
And when you sat down to actually start working on the project Death Row Chronicles-
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:41:59):
Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:42:00):
We are listening to audio of those two interviews that happened, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:42:05):
Correct.
Mr Sanft (05:42:06):
Now, up until that point, fair to say, Mr. Davis had never spoken about this publicly?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:42:12):
To my knowledge, he had never spoken publicly about this case. No. That's what made it significant.
Mr Sanft (05:42:16):
Right. And you had been aware, of course, that according to your understanding of the proffer of 2008, if he didn't say anything to, let's say, a media source, then the proffer would still be protecting him.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:42:32):
That's how I understood it. Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:42:33):
So in essence, when you were sitting down with Mr. Davis, you were pushing him to violate the proffer?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:42:40):
I'm not pushing him. I'm not even in the room with him.
Mr Sanft (05:42:43):
I know. We're going to talk about that in a second.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:42:44):
Okay.
Mr Sanft (05:42:45):
But in essence, you are on a little earbud or something along those lines in another room, and you're telling the interviewer to keep pressing on Mr. Davis.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:42:54):
I was not thinking at all about him violating his proffer. I honestly didn't think the proffer would ever be used. I didn't understand that's how that worked. I thought he's giving a public confession. That public confession can be used, absolutely.
Mr Sanft (05:43:05):
Now, in addition to that, you are in another room and you do not want to be seen by Mr. Davis?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:43:12):
That's correct.
Mr Sanft (05:43:13):
In fact, Mr. Kading, Detective Kading, former Detective Kading, is also not present because he does not want to be seen by Mr. Davis.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:43:20):
That's correct.
Mr Sanft (05:43:22):
And so in essence, as you're sitting there listening to the conversation, you're telling the person information that's specific to the 2008 recording?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:43:34):
Yes. I'm going... Well, I know when he knows more to a question that he hasn't answered yet, or if there's another way to phrase a question that might help.
Mr Sanft (05:43:43):
Now, in addition-
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:43:43):
But I can tell you most... Sorry to cut you off, but most of the questions were written in advance. I only offered up maybe a half dozen total across two interviews of additional questions.
Mr Sanft (05:43:51):
Yeah. So let's make sure we understand because we're not in the room and there's no cameras. As we're listening to the recording, there's another voice that's on the recording sometimes talking about getting a Diet Coke or something to do with, like, "Oh, this is great." Is that you?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:44:06):
No, there were a couple other... It depended on when people came and went from that office and there was different people in there on different days. It was just employees of the production company or other contractors that were on that show.
Mr Sanft (05:44:17):
And in addition to that, while you're sitting there, you're having these conversations about Mr. Davis and you are, is it typing? Because I'm hearing little knocks on something. Is that you texting?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:44:36):
That's me texting, yes.
Mr Sanft (05:44:38):
And so you're texting the individual that's listening?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:44:40):
I'm texting Mario Diaz. Yes, sir.
Mr Sanft (05:44:42):
Now, as you're doing that, of course, Mr. Davis does not know that you're doing that.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:44:47):
Correct.
Mr Sanft (05:44:49):
And you are working, at that particular point, for which company?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:44:54):
I was a contractor for Entertainment One/Creature Films, the production company.
Mr Sanft (05:44:58):
So you are not an employee, you're an independent contractor?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:45:02):
Correct.
Mr Sanft (05:45:02):
All right. Technically working for yourself?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:45:05):
Sure.
Mr Sanft (05:45:06):
All right. And the contract that was between Mr. Davis and whoever on the show would've been who? You?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:45:13):
No, it would've been with the production company.
Mr Sanft (05:45:14):
All right. So the production company meaning who?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:45:17):
Again, Entertainment One or Creature Films. I'm not sure who he dealt with.
Mr Sanft (05:45:21):
Okay. So Mr. Davis has a contract with regards to the production, and during the time period that we are listening to your recording, fair to say, though, that you had basically taken your phone and placed it by the speaker?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:45:37):
Yes, that's correct.
Mr Sanft (05:45:38):
And you're basically recording the entire conversation?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:45:41):
That's right.
Mr Sanft (05:45:41):
Including the parts that technically was never ever either produced in a BET production or anything like that?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:45:49):
There was some extra bits in there, sure.
Mr Sanft (05:45:50):
Sure. And once again, you didn't have the permission of either BET to do that, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:45:56):
Again, I didn't have to seek their permission to do it.
Mr Sanft (05:45:59):
You're an independent contractor, you don't have a contract with Mr. Davis, so tell me how you believe you could report that without Mr. Davis' permission.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:46:07):
Absolutely. I have a technical-
Mr DiGiacomo (05:46:08):
Objection. Calls for a legal conclusion.
Mr Sanft (05:46:11):
I'm asking for his contract, Your Honor.
Judge/The Court (05:46:13):
Overruled. I think he can answer the question as asked.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:46:15):
Sure. A couple of things. First of all, a contract does not outline every single duty that a crew member is going to do on a shoot. It's not like you have to constantly keep getting permission to do stuff in order to do your job. My job there was primarily centered on his interview. So once I realized that when he showed up that first day and was kind of giving them the runaround and he was dressed in shorts and a t-shirt and was acting like he didn't know why he was supposed to be there and that the interview wasn't supposed to be that day, I sat in that office for quite a while before they got started.
(05:46:45)
And then when we've learned that basically, look, we're going to have to interview this guy twice. We're going to try to get him in now and get something, but he's going to have to come back later, I thought, okay, well, then I'm going to record it so that in between these interviews, I don't know how long it's going to be before we get him back again, I have a record of what he said so that when we come back for round two, I know proper questions that should be in there, what has already been answered thoroughly and what we need to ask him again. That is why I made that recording. Never in a million years did I think that that recording was going to be playing in court.
Mr Sanft (05:47:16):
And of course you turned over that recording to BET because, once again, it's part of their work, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:47:21):
No, of course not.
Mr Sanft (05:47:22):
You kept that recording?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:47:23):
Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:47:25):
And you do understand though that in the state of California, if you are recording someone without their permission, that is a crime?
Mr DiGiacomo (05:47:32):
Objection. Calls for a legal conclusion again.
Mr Sanft (05:47:35):
I'm asking for his understanding of the laws, Your Honor.
Mr DiGiacomo (05:47:38):
Calls for a legal-
Judge/The Court (05:47:39):
Sustained.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:47:39):
Sure, I'll... Okay.
Judge/The Court (05:47:40):
It's sustained. Hang on. If you want to rephrase without asking him about a specific California law.
Mr Sanft (05:47:49):
Ah, that's all right. He's already admitted to it. Let me ask you this question though, sir. When you are recording this conversation-
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:47:57):
Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:47:58):
Did you at that particular point turn it over to Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:48:03):
I did not.
Mr Sanft (05:48:04):
You kept that recording-
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:48:05):
Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:48:06):
And then you created your project with that, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:48:11):
No. I've never used that recording for anything. What project are you talking about?
Mr Sanft (05:48:18):
Let me ask you this though, sir. In terms of who's responsible here to solve the Tupac murder, that's not your responsibility, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:48:27):
It can be anybody's responsibility.
Mr Sanft (05:48:29):
Okay. You're saying that it's not Metro's?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:48:33):
It could be theirs as well. Of course it is. Any citizen can investigate a crime if they want to.
Mr Sanft (05:48:38):
Right. And we're going to get into that a little bit, but in terms of how you go about doing your job, fair to say that a detective would be the one that would handle that investigation?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:48:47):
Sure.
Mr Sanft (05:48:48):
Right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:48:49):
At some point, sure.
Mr Sanft (05:48:50):
Right. And it's not like, say, the FBI, it's not LAPD, right? Compton PD. In this case, the Tupac murder was the responsibility of Metro.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:49:00):
To some extent, except that I know LAPD made the argument that if the crime was planned in the city of Los Angeles, that they could also take ownership of the case. And you can ask Greg Kading about that if he comes up here.
Mr Sanft (05:49:11):
I don't even know what you just said. I'm just asking you this question. Well, let me just ask you this question, sir. So you sent over notice to Metro and you say, "Hey, we solved this thing." You sent over a hundred emails to Metro, and they didn't do anything about it, did they?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:49:29):
No, because they were-
Mr Sanft (05:49:32):
No, no. That's a yes or no answer. They didn't do anything about it.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:49:33):
And didn't do anything about it, define didn't do anything. They were working the case as far as I was concerned. They were responding to me. I was sending them because he kept talking. He started doing YouTube interviews. So every time he would do an interview, I'd send it to him like, "Hey, here's a new interview. Hey, this clip, he says this for the first time publicly. He says this." And there was back and forth going on with me and Detective Mogg. So I got the sense that he was absolutely working that case. And it's Detective Work 101, if your suspect is talking, you let him talk. And so he was talking, so every interview he did was additional evidence to use against him.
Mr Sanft (05:50:04):
Okay. So what was he talking in?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:50:07):
What was he talking in?
Mr Sanft (05:50:08):
Sure. What was the information that he was talking in? Are you talking about your documentary at this particular point?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:50:13):
No. I'm talking about he's going on YouTube, he's going on Vlad TV, he went on... I think he ended up doing a total of nine interviews on YouTube over a four year period.
Mr Sanft (05:50:23):
Did you verify any of the information that he gave you?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:50:27):
What do you mean?
Mr Sanft (05:50:28):
Well, the information that you learned in this case, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:50:29):
That who gave me?
Mr Sanft (05:50:31):
Well, the information that you learned from either the listing of the 2008 proffer or in the interview with Mr. Davis, did you go out and conduct your own investigation to verify the information?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:50:42):
Sure. I went through... Well, again, I had unfettered access to the case files and there's lots of corroborating evidence in those case files.
Mr Sanft (05:50:48):
Now, when you say the case files, and I want to make sure I'm clear here-
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:50:50):
Sure.
Mr Sanft (05:50:51):
You're talking about Greg Kading?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:50:53):
Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:50:54):
And you're talking about Greg Kading, who's former LAPD.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:50:57):
Well, I'm not just talking about Greg Kading. I'm talking about every detective that came before him.
Mr Sanft (05:50:59):
Just answer my question, please.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:51:00):
I am. You're trying to phrase it in a certain way. Not just Greg Kading. It's not just his files. In fact, majority of them are from detectives that came before him, including Las Vegas police files.
Mr Sanft (05:51:13):
All right. What detectives are you talking about before Greg Kading?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:51:19):
Sure. A lot of the Biggie detectives had gathered evidence... Don't shake your head. A lot of biggie detectives gathered evidence. Geez, man. A lot of Biggie detectives had gathered evidence that pertained to the Tupac case because the two cases, it became known, or believed, were connected. So they had informants coming forward to them on the Biggie case that were saying, "Hey, these two things are connected."
Mr Sanft (05:51:38):
Okay. So once again, evidence or information, they would've gone to the detective, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:51:44):
Eventually to Greg Kading and his team of detectives, yes.
Mr Sanft (05:51:47):
Once again, you got to understand, Greg Kading was not responsible for the investigation of the Tupac murder.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:51:54):
Correct.
Mr Sanft (05:51:55):
He was part of the task force specifically for the Biggie Smalls murder.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:52:02):
That's correct.
Mr Sanft (05:52:03):
And you are aware at some point he's removed from that task force, right?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:52:07):
Yes.
Mr Sanft (05:52:08):
And one of the things he does is he steals the Tupac file.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:52:11):
I object to the word steals.
Mr Sanft (05:52:13):
I'm sorry. He borrowed it.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:52:15):
I don't mean it like a legal sense I object, but just as a person I object to it. I'm not wagering an objection. I take issue with the word steal. Any detective can take case files with them when they leave the department. It happens all the time. It's extremely common. In fact, I just did a series on Ted Bundy last year based on the same exact thing. One of the lead detectives on the Bundy case in the '70s took a box of files with him, and we were able to obtain those files and we made a show about Ted Bundy based on his files.
Mr Sanft (05:52:46):
Are you a detective, sir?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:52:47):
No.
Mr Sanft (05:52:47):
So you can't sit here and tell us what a detective can and cannot do. Fair? You're not a detective.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:52:53):
Like, legally I can't say that? I can say, "Based on my experience as a true crime producer for the past 20 years, it's very common in my line of work to come across files that detectives have taken home with them."
Judge/The Court (05:53:03):
That's fair.
Mr Sanft (05:53:04):
So I want to make sure I'm clear. You're telling us that Detective Kading took a file that he wasn't even a part of the investigation on? You're saying that that's what happened here?
Mr DiGiacomo (05:53:16):
I object. [inaudible 05:53:18] a similar fact not in evidence.
Mr Sanft (05:53:19):
No, no. I think he mentioned that, Judge.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:53:21):
What do you mean? He took a file that was not a case he didn't work?
Mr Sanft (05:53:23):
Yes.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:53:24):
As soon as Keefe confessed to the Tupac's murder, they took ownership of that case. And again, you're going to have to ask him that question because I was not there for that.
Mr Sanft (05:53:33):
So once again, that's something you're saying that Greg Kading should come here and testify to?
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:53:38):
If he wants to, sure.
Mr Sanft (05:53:39):
And once again, based upon your search of this file for the two years prior to the documentary or the project that you were working on... I apologize for that.
Mr. Michael Dorsey (05:53:51):
Murder Rap, yes.
Mr Sanft (05:53:54):
You learned, of course, that Greg Kading basically had issues with credibility.
Mr DiGiacomo (05:53:59):
Objection, Judge. We approach?
Judge/The Court (05:57:25):
Yep.
(05:57:25)
All right. We're going to take a recess at this time. During this recess, you are admonished not to talk or converse amongst yourselves or with anyone else on any subject connected to the trial or read, watch, or listen to any report of or commentary on the trial, of any person connected with this case by any [inaudible 05:57:38] of information, including without limitation, newspaper, television, internet and radio, or form or express any opinion on any subject connected with the trial until the case is submitted to you. We'll have you guys back here at 3:30. Please rise for the jury. All right. For the record, the jury has exited the room. So going back to our initial first issue regarding... Can we actually have you step off the stand for a little bit, sir? Thank you, Mr. Dorsey. Regarding what can be questioned regarding Greg Kading, that was the initial objection. Okay. So the initial objection had to do with Detective Kading. Your objection is that you can't impeach someone through the testimony of someone else. Your position is that the credibility of the report that they're relying on is important. I do think to some degree he can explore the credibility of the information that he is relying on as long as it's accurate, and so I think there is a concern regarding what the actual federal judge, what the federal judge did find regarding Detective Kading being maybe elusive or however you want to phrase it.
Mr DiGiacomo (05:59:35):
Well, can I ask that question? On direct, I asked no question as to his opinion of Greg Kading, either as to his credibility, as to his quality of his detective work, anything that would allow the defense to then go into specific acts and ask questions about someone's character. So what's the predicate foundation that has been laid that says, "I can now attack the character of somebody whose character is being somewhat assassinated here." Right? He released a recording of the defendant. That is the only evidence as to what Greg Kading has done in this case. And it's a recording. So what are we worried about when it relates to whether or not his credibility as a witness? He hasn't testified. No other fact has come in from this case as it relates to Greg Kading other than he published a book and he made a documentary, and that's how the 2008 recording came out to the public after he was a private citizen.
(06:00:46)
There has been zero testimony about any investigation done by him, any opinion testimony about his character, his quality as a detective. None of that information has come into the courtroom. So why is it that the defense gets to just ignore the rules of evidence and start asking about specific acts of misconduct for somebody whose character hasn't even been raised?
Judge/The Court (06:01:11):
Mr. Sanft?
Mr Sanft (06:01:12):
I think the witness opened the door the moment the state asked him specifically about his research. And going into this idea that he did all this research, he's testified that Greg Kading was like his BFF. I mean, the guy's working together on a project with regards to his book, and during this time period, the state starts asking questions that I think traipsed right into the expert opinion area to which they're saying, "Oh, it's not expert opinion. This is just lay witness opinion."
Judge/The Court (06:01:39):
And I sustained that objection saying he can't give opinions about, ultimately that it's something that they can lay the foundation for, that this is included in the book, and that this is his information about this person, and then they can ultimately argue that. That was my ruling.
Mr Sanft (06:01:54):
Correct.
Judge/The Court (06:01:54):
I don't know if that's how that went down, but...
Mr Sanft (06:01:56):
I think it was good. I'm just saying that what we're doing right now though is we're saying, okay, he's testifying as to that two-year period, that time period in which he now gives opinions on his research. Well, one of the things that he researched according to his testimony that he had was the case file. I should be able to get into the veracity of that case file, where it came from, was it even complete, who gave it to him, because I think that's details that we would get out of a detective if Detective Mogg were to testify.
Judge/The Court (06:02:24):
So you're asking for completeness of the file. I think that is something that would be appropriate. What else are you asking for?
Mr Sanft (06:02:31):
I'm asking specifically for the veracity, meaning, look, if a detective got up on the stand and said, "I received the file," right? What typically would happen is if it's coming from another jurisdiction like the LAPD, you get a COR that says, "Hey, this is the entire file." Or like Mr. DiGiacomo said in a few hearings ago, Detective Mogg went down and turned every page of his discovery to match the discovery that was in the file in LAPD. We don't have that here, but this individual is testifying and saying, "Part of my opinion or..."
Mr. Sanft (06:03:00):
But this individual is testifying and saying part of my opinion, or experience in this case, is the research conducted with the file that Greg Kading gave me, and I want to get into that.
Speaker 37 (06:03:10):
So, the completeness of the file is ultimately relying on Detective Kading representation that this is the full file, that's your concern?
Mr. Sanft (06:03:20):
Correct, and how the file is obtained. I think that's critical in this case, because if the file is obtained through the normal procedure, then we don't have a problem. It's a COR.-
Speaker 37 (06:03:29):
That goes back to completeness though, Mr. Sanft. I think you're somewhat circling the same issue, because you're saying if it's obtained through the normal course, if we did it discovery-wise here, you'd get some sort of paperwork that this is the entire report, this is everything. And so at the same time, we're going back to your same issue of completeness. And I think completeness is appropriate to inquire into, how do you know this is the complete file? Would you agree with that?
Speaker 38 (06:03:55):
I wouldn't have objected if he said, "How do you know it's the complete file?" He can answer, "I don't know," or whatever. But that wasn't the question that was being asked of him. The question being asked of him was accusing a detective, a former detective's character, or impugning his character for someone who's not testifying.
Speaker 37 (06:04:22):
Understood. So obviously, we can't impeach him, but I think to get to the issue of completeness of the file, you can talk about how this wasn't through the regular channels. Through the regular channels, there may be some safeguards on the completeness of the file and making sure every document is turned over. You don't have those safeguards here because we're relying on what Detective Kading gave to you. Detective Kading's promoting a book. I mean, oh, your entire theory, you can get into that. So, then moving on to the other issue that sort of came up while we were at the bench. I have reviewed these emails. They were largely about scheduling and if Detective Mogg was aware of certain interviews. I didn't, in any way, see them to be exculpatory, because they were not mentioning anybody else potentially being involved. Additionally, they had nothing to do with the initial ask, which was emails between Kading and Mogg. However, I can get those to you if you think that they are relevant to your defense theory.
Mr. Sanft (06:05:22):
I think it does, because once again, it highlights the need for Detective Mogg to testify in this case.
Speaker 37 (06:05:28):
Well, at the end of the day, whoever testifies, the need is on the state, right? They get to decide who they call in their case. They get to decide how they prove their case. Because at the end of the day, the only question that matters is can they prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt? If they don't think they can, that enures to your benefit, because they can't prove their case, right?
Mr. Sanft (06:05:46):
[inaudible 06:05:48].
Speaker 37 (06:05:47):
So at the end of the day, the way that they choose to prosecute this case may not be the way you choose to prosecute it. It may not be, not that you're doing that, or the way that I would choose, or another prosecutor in the office would choose, but at the end of the day, that's what they're doing. It may not include Detective Mogg. It may not include Detective Kading. It may not include a lot of people.
Mr. Sanft (06:06:07):
Yes, Your Honor.
Speaker 37 (06:06:08):
So, I can get you those emails. State, anything further?
Speaker 38 (06:06:14):
Well, just that I'd like him to be ordered not to go into character evidence without a proper foundation. He can't open his own door with the witness by suggesting, "Hey, this is what his character is, and then let me tell you why I think that."
Speaker 37 (06:06:28):
I agree with that.
Speaker 38 (06:06:29):
I would have to open the door to Greg Kading's character in order for them to impeach it, and I haven't.
Speaker 37 (06:06:35):
Okay, I agree with that. Ultimately, I think we've covered this specific issue, because he's going to focus more so on the completeness of the file and the way that it was obtained. But if there's another contemporaneous objection regarding that, we'll address that. But I agree with that, okay? Emails, how do you want me to get them to you? You don't really answer your email very well.
Mr. Sanft (06:06:57):
I don't read well, Your Honor. If I could just have maybe... Can we print it out?
Speaker 37 (06:07:00):
No.
Mr. Sanft (06:07:00):
All right. Excuse me.
Speaker 38 (06:07:01):
Judge, I can have the link sent from what we have to send to you to to Mr. Sanft.
Speaker 37 (06:07:10):
Just send the link. Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 38 (06:07:10):
Or to Megan, really.
Mr. Sanft (06:07:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 37 (06:07:12):
So, I've reviewed them. My initial in-camera review was that they weren't relevant, but at this time, because you're requesting, and have sort of opened another avenue into them that I didn't realize was necessarily relevant through my initial review of the case, we'll have them disclosed through that exact same link.
Mr. Sanft (06:07:29):
Yes, Your Honor.
Speaker 37 (06:07:29):
Okay.
Speaker 38 (06:07:29):
Can I use the restroom before we bring them back in.
Speaker 37 (06:07:35):
Of course. I need to do the same. All right, we'll be in recess.
(06:07:35)
Back on record in State versus Davis, C377407. Mr. Sanft has some more material for tomorrow, but may still go into his cross-examination in the morning. We've checked, this witness is available to come back tomorrow if necessary, so we'll just go from there. So, anything else we need to address outside the presence before we bring the jury and Mr. Dorsey back in?
Mr. Sanft (06:22:10):
No, Your Honor.
Speaker 38 (06:22:12):
Nothing at the State.
Speaker 37 (06:22:13):
Okay, let's bring them in.
Speaker 39 (06:22:14):
All stand for the the jury.
Speaker 37 (06:23:05):
All right. Welcome back, Mr. Dorsey. Do the parties stipulate to the presence of the jury?
Mr. Sanft (06:23:10):
Yes, Your Honor.
Speaker 38 (06:23:10):
Yes, Your Honor.
Speaker 37 (06:23:11):
You may all be seated. Mr. Dorsey, you're still under oath. Mr. Sanft, you're still on cross-examination. You may proceed.
Mr. Sanft (06:23:17):
Thank you, Your Honor. Referring you back to your previous testimony, with regards to Cathy Scott, just for the jury's edification, Cathy Scott is not a detective?
Mr. Dorsey (06:23:26):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:23:26):
She is a reporter.
Mr. Dorsey (06:23:28):
She's a journalist, yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:23:29):
She's a journalist, all right. And she wrote a book with regards to her information she had gathered as that journalist, right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:23:36):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:23:37):
Not her own investigation, but what she had heard on the street?
Mr. Dorsey (06:23:40):
And from detectives that she talked to, yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:23:42):
Right. And so when she first published her book, fair to say what I'm holding up for you, and I want to make sure on the record, for the jury, this is the third edition, right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:23:50):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (06:23:51):
Are you aware that Cathy Scott's first edition that was published was actually in 1997, a year after?
Mr. Dorsey (06:24:00):
Something like that. It was very fast after the crime, I remember that.
Mr. Sanft (06:24:04):
And then there was an update and another update, and what I have right here is the third edition.
Mr. Dorsey (06:24:08):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (06:24:09):
But with regard to that first edition, it came out a year after the shooting of Tupac?
Mr. Dorsey (06:24:13):
Sounds about right.
Mr. Sanft (06:24:14):
All right. Now, your testimony has been around your research, and you had testified that you had listened to the recording of 2008?
Mr. Dorsey (06:24:29):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:24:30):
That recording was given to you by Greg Kading?
Mr. Dorsey (06:24:32):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:24:34):
Did you ever compare the 2008 recording to the 2009 recording in this case?
Mr. Dorsey (06:24:40):
I did not have the 2009 recording.
Mr. Sanft (06:24:42):
Right, because Mr. Kading did not give you a 2009 recording, fair?
Mr. Dorsey (06:24:45):
That's correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:24:46):
And that was not information that was public, right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:24:48):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:24:49):
Now, with regards to your 2008 recording, did you compare that against the 1998 recording in this case?
Mr. Dorsey (06:24:58):
Was that like a federal invest... No, I did not.
Mr. Sanft (06:25:01):
And once again, Greg Kading did not give that to you because he did not have that information?
Mr. Dorsey (06:25:05):
Correct. I don't know if he had it or not, but he didn't give it to me.
Mr. Sanft (06:25:10):
Okay. So the proffer that you have, or at least the 2008, is a interview in which Mr. Kading is in the room?
Mr. Dorsey (06:25:18):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:25:18):
Along with Mr. Dupree, or Detective Dupree, from the LAPD?
Mr. Dorsey (06:25:23):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:25:23):
As well as an FBI agent?
Mr. Dorsey (06:25:26):
I believe so, yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:25:27):
As well as a United States attorney?
Mr. Dorsey (06:25:29):
I believe so.
Mr. Sanft (06:25:29):
And as well as maybe somebody from the DEA?
Mr. Dorsey (06:25:32):
I don't know.
Mr. Sanft (06:25:33):
Okay.
Mr. Dorsey (06:25:35):
And his attorney.
Mr. Sanft (06:25:36):
And his attorney, yes. Fine. In terms of those other individuals that were there, do you have any reports that you can share with the jury about what any of those other agencies did after the 2008 proffer?
Mr. Dorsey (06:25:52):
Not that I can recall, no.
Mr. Sanft (06:25:54):
All right. And once again, that wasn't in the information that Mr. Kading had given to you?
Mr. Dorsey (06:25:58):
Again, it might've been, but I don't recall.
Mr. Sanft (06:26:00):
Okay. Now, let me ask you this next question. You had gone through and said that you had done some research on this case, are you aware that there was a lawsuit by the Tupac estate against Death Row Records?
Mr. Dorsey (06:26:22):
I'm not sure.
Mr. Sanft (06:26:24):
A civil lawsuit for breach of contract for royalties?
Mr. Dorsey (06:26:27):
I mean, there's lots of lawsuits like that, I don't know. I can't recall.
Mr. Sanft (06:26:30):
All right, so you don't have the information for us?
Mr. Dorsey (06:26:32):
Again, I don't know. I might.
Mr. Sanft (06:26:34):
That's fair. Are you aware of a lawsuit by Orlando Anderson against the Tupac estate for injuries caused in Las Vegas?
Mr. Dorsey (06:26:42):
Yes, I am.
Mr. Sanft (06:26:44):
All right. Are you aware that there was a settlement in that case?
Mr. Dorsey (06:26:47):
No. There was a counter lawsuit for wrongful death filed by the estate of Tupac against him, and I though that all went away when he was killed.
Mr. Sanft (06:26:55):
No. Well, that's what you think, right? Did you-
Mr. Dorsey (06:26:57):
That's what I believe, yeah.
Mr. Sanft (06:26:58):
But you don't have research for that?
Mr. Dorsey (06:27:00):
I don't think so, no.
Mr. Sanft (06:27:01):
You didn't go to the courthouse in LA County and look up the case, or do anything like that?
Mr. Dorsey (06:27:06):
No.
Mr. Sanft (06:27:13):
Now, fair to say though, of course, that with a civil lawsuit, there would've been what's called discovery propounded during the course of that case, right, meaning information?
Mr. Dorsey (06:27:24):
Again, I wouldn't know.
Mr. Sanft (06:27:25):
All right. You never looked into depositions taken of Mr. Orlando Anderson, or anybody else for that matter? Now, in addition to that, were you aware, based upon your research, that Tupac was actually leaving Death Row prior to his death?
Mr. Dorsey (06:27:43):
That is-
Speaker 38 (06:27:43):
Objection, assumes a fact not in evidence.
Speaker 37 (06:27:45):
What's your response?
Mr. Sanft (06:27:46):
Based upon his research, Your Honor, he had testified about his research for this case.
Speaker 37 (06:27:50):
I think what Mr. [inaudible 06:27:52] was saying is that's not true and you're assuming a fact.
Speaker 38 (06:27:54):
No, what I'm saying is the predicate of his question assumes a fact that has yet to be established. He's asking the witness.
Speaker 37 (06:28:00):
So in other words, it's not true, the thing he's asking?
Speaker 38 (06:28:03):
I don't know if it's true or not, but he is assuming a fact not in evidence.
Speaker 37 (06:28:07):
Can you lay more foundation?
Mr. Sanft (06:28:08):
Sure. In your research of your project in this case, did you ever look into the relationship between Tupac Shakur and Suge Knight?
Mr. Dorsey (06:28:18):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:28:19):
And during the time that you looked through that relationship, did you learn that Tupac was not happy with Suge Knight?
Mr. Dorsey (06:28:27):
I did not. There's conflicting accounts about what was going on at that time, whether or not Tupac was going to leave Death Row because he was unhappy, or whether the idea was that he was going to set up his own label that would then be distributed through Death Row, and that that is what Suge Knight wanted his big superstar artist to do, was to branch out, start their own companies, but with Death Row continuing to be the central company that it all flows through.
Mr. Sanft (06:28:51):
And that information you're providing to us, is that in some document somewhere?
Mr. Dorsey (06:28:55):
I don't remember where I got that from.
Mr. Sanft (06:28:57):
And regarding Tupac's position here, he had finalized his three-album, in terms of his obligations to Death Row.
Mr. Dorsey (06:29:07):
As I understand it, yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:29:08):
And he had also, at some point, started to create his own label, Makaveli?
Mr. Dorsey (06:29:13):
Correct. I just said that.
Mr. Sanft (06:29:15):
And thank you. And with regards to that label, he actually had a book of music that he was going to take with him into that label, right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:29:25):
I'm not aware of that.
Mr. Sanft (06:29:26):
And with regards to the information here, it looks like not only did Tupac fire Death Row, but safe to say that he also fired-
Speaker 38 (06:29:38):
Objection, assumes a fact not in evidence.
Speaker 37 (06:29:38):
Can you guys approach?
(06:29:38)
All right. Mr. Sanft, you may proceed.
Mr. Sanft (06:30:56):
Okay. Last question I asked you was, " Are you aware that Tupac had fired David Kenner?"
Speaker 38 (06:31:05):
Objection.
Speaker 37 (06:31:06):
Are you aware if.
Mr. Sanft (06:31:08):
Oh, I'm sorry. Let me back up here. Are you aware if Tupac had fired David Kenner?
Mr. Dorsey (06:31:13):
I've heard that claimed, I don't know that for a fact.
Mr. Sanft (06:31:15):
And just for the jury's edification, David Kenner was Death Row's lawyer?
Mr. Dorsey (06:31:21):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:31:22):
Are you aware if Tupac had requested an audit of Death Row's books to see what money they may have taken from him?
Mr. Dorsey (06:31:35):
Again, I've heard rumors of that. I've never seen any evidence of it. A lot of the questions you're asking me right now, I know are based off conspiracy theories out there about alternate theories of this, and I just would wonder if you have any evidence of that that you would base your question on, or if you're just using questioning of me-
Speaker 37 (06:31:52):
Mr. Dorsey, you can't ask him questions. He asks you questions.
Mr. Dorsey (06:31:54):
Okay. Well, that's fine. I'm just wondering.
Speaker 37 (06:31:56):
Let's just do it by the book.
Mr. Dorsey (06:31:58):
Sure, understood.
Speaker 37 (06:31:59):
Thank you. Mr. Sanft, ask a question. He's going to give an answer, I think.
Mr. Sanft (06:32:03):
Well, let me ask you this as well, sir, are you aware if Reggie Wright was the security company, or had a security company, in charge of protecting Suge Knight and Tupac Shakur?
Mr. Dorsey (06:32:20):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:32:20):
Can I just finish my question please, sir? I know you're getting a little eager here. But at the night of the fight at the MGM, that Reggie Wright Jr. had a company that was supposed to protect Suge Knight and Tupac Shakur?
Mr. Dorsey (06:32:34):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:32:35):
Are you aware if on that particular night, Reggie Wright had 20 to 25 either retired or off-duty police officers in a club called 666 on the night of the shooting of Tupac Shakur?
Mr. Dorsey (06:32:53):
It's Club 662, and I'm not aware of the number.
Mr. Sanft (06:32:56):
You don't know?
Mr. Dorsey (06:32:56):
No.
Mr. Sanft (06:32:57):
Are you aware if on the night of the shooting, there was only one individual that was with Suge Knight and Tupac Shakur by the name of Frank Alexander?
Mr. Dorsey (06:33:07):
Well, one that was official security named Frank Alexander, yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:33:11):
Okay. One person?
Mr. Dorsey (06:33:12):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:33:13):
Now, in addition to that, are you aware, sir, that in the time period in which Frank-
Speaker 38 (06:33:21):
[inaudible 06:33:20], but I object.
Mr. Sanft (06:33:25):
Is that how I'm supposed to use it? Let me ask you this.
Speaker 37 (06:33:29):
Rephrase, thank you.
Mr. Sanft (06:33:30):
Yes. Do you have any information at all as to whether or not Frank Alexander had a walkie-talkie or Nextel radio?
Mr. Dorsey (06:33:38):
I don't know.
Mr. Sanft (06:33:40):
In addition to that... Let me just go through here. You had mentioned that you had read this book. I'm showing you again-
Mr. Dorsey (06:33:45):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:33:48):
You're very eager. But this is my copy of the Compton Street Legend, okay? You've read this book?
Mr. Dorsey (06:33:54):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:33:55):
All right, let me just go through the book here real quick. Do you know who rapper Foxy Brown is?
Mr. Dorsey (06:34:01):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:34:02):
Foxy Brown is not dead?
Mr. Dorsey (06:34:04):
No, she's not.
Mr. Sanft (06:34:05):
And in the book, Mr. Davis refers to Foxy Brown in the book?
Mr. Dorsey (06:34:10):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:34:12):
In fact, he refers to her as somebody that was in the car with Zip before Zip had asked her to get out of the car so he can have a conversation with Mr. Davis?
Mr. Dorsey (06:34:21):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:34:22):
And that conversation took place in the valet area of the MGM Grand?
Mr. Dorsey (06:34:27):
It was a valet or the parking area.
Mr. Sanft (06:34:30):
Well, do you want to look at the book to make sure that we're clear to the jury?
Mr. Dorsey (06:34:32):
Well, I'm not sure between the book or the 2008 proffer, but it was parking lot or the valet area. I don't remember specifically where he said it was. Just outside the MGM.
Mr. Sanft (06:34:39):
All right. Your Honor, may I approach?
Speaker 37 (06:34:41):
You may. Are you refreshing recollection?
Mr. Sanft (06:34:49):
I am refreshing his recollection, Your Honor. I don't want him read it, but just read it-
Speaker 37 (06:34:52):
He didn't say he didn't remember. Oh, he did say he didn't recall which of the two accounts, okay.
Mr. Dorsey (06:34:59):
Yeah, he says " While we were waiting at the-"
Mr. Sanft (06:35:01):
Hold on. There's no question pending yet, sir. You're so eager. You're so eager.
Mr. Dorsey (06:35:06):
You can keep calling me that, but I'm just trying to answer your question, sir.
Mr. Sanft (06:35:12):
So with regards to the question, the question is, this conversation, or at least event, occurred at the MGM at the valet area?
Mr. Dorsey (06:35:20):
That actually is ambiguous in that book. It says, "While they were waiting for their cars at the valet, Zip called them over to his car." It does not state where his car is parked.
Mr. Sanft (06:35:29):
Right, so Zip could be anywhere on the property.
Mr. Dorsey (06:35:32):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:35:33):
Wait until I'm done with my questions.
Mr. Dorsey (06:35:37):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (06:35:37):
Including it's a multi-level parking structure, right, you're saying that that's vague.
Mr. Dorsey (06:35:42):
Yeah. I don't know if it was in a parking structure, I'm just saying it could have been anywhere in the parking area of the MGM Grand.
Mr. Sanft (06:35:47):
Did you verify that Foxy Brown was actually in Las Vegas on the night of September 7th, 1996?
Mr. Dorsey (06:35:56):
I did not.
Mr. Sanft (06:36:02):
There's an account in here-
Mr. Sanft (06:36:02):
There's an accountant here about Orlando Anderson. Do you recall reading in the book about Orlando Anderson and when he arrived in Las Vegas?
Mr. Dorsey (06:36:13):
I don't recall what the book said specifically.
Mr. Sanft (06:36:15):
All right. So if you would to turn with me, I think, to that book right there, to page 96, looking at page 96 of the book that he read, refresh your recollection.
Mr. Dorsey (06:36:25):
The page numbers might be different here because this is the Kindle version, but let me see.
Mr. Sanft (06:36:29):
Can you just wait until I'm done with my question, sir?
Mr. Dorsey (06:36:32):
Can you stop saying that to me, man? Geez, dude. Just having a normal conversation with you. You don't have to keep cutting me off and making me sound like I'm eager.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:36:39):
Judge, the page numbers are going to be significantly different between the Kindle and the book. So he's going to have to just approach him with a book to show him [inaudible 06:36:47] because the Kindle completely repeats-
Judge (06:36:51):
Nobody else has a copy of this book? Keith, you didn't bring one? No, just kidding. I'm sorry. Sorry. I think we have another copy.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:36:57):
[inaudible 06:37:00] another copy.
Mr. Sanft (06:37:02):
May I approach, Your Honor?
Judge (06:37:03):
Yes. Ms. Stone.
Mr. Dorsey (06:37:06):
Okay. Page 96?
Mr. Sanft (06:37:15):
Yes. Are you aware, or to refresh your recollection, are you aware that in the book when Baby Lane, meaning Orlando Anderson arrives in Las Vegas, he purchases a tuxedo?
Mr. Dorsey (06:37:32):
Let me see. Hold on.
(06:37:52)
Yes, I see that here.
Mr. Sanft (06:37:53):
And the reason why he purchased a tuxedo is because he said he saw former Major League baseball player, Barry Bonds, with a badass brown Versace tuxedo. So Baby Lane decided he wanted to buy the same Tuxedo, right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:38:07):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:38:08):
Are you aware of the whereabouts of Barry Bonds on the night of or the day of September 7th, 1996?
Mr. Dorsey (06:38:17):
I am not.
Mr. Sanft (06:38:18):
You didn't look into that?
Mr. Dorsey (06:38:18):
No.
Mr. Sanft (06:38:20):
Now, in addition to that, on that same page, sir, are you aware that in the book, Mr. Davis says he rents three rooms on the same floor at the Caesar's Palace?
Mr. Dorsey (06:38:30):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:38:31):
Did you ever verify whether or not he had actually rented any rooms at all at the Caesar's Palace on September 7th, 1996?
Mr. Dorsey (06:38:38):
There would be no way to verify that.
Mr. Sanft (06:38:40):
That's a yes or no answer.
Mr. Dorsey (06:38:40):
No.
Mr. Sanft (06:38:43):
Okay. Now, in addition to that, he mentions his purchase. We'll keep it on the same page. You're fine.
Mr. Dorsey (06:38:49):
I got it.
Mr. Sanft (06:38:49):
Page 96, Mr. Davis says that he goes to the Versace store and while he's there, he purchases himself a $3,000 blue suit with white pinstripes and some additional Crocs, I guess, or shoes from the Gucci store and a white shirt. Recall that?
Mr. Dorsey (06:39:08):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:39:09):
Did you at any point ever determine whether or not Mr. Davis actually owned a $3,000 blue suit with white pin stripes?
Mr. Dorsey (06:39:17):
No.
Mr. Sanft (06:39:21):
Now, page 97. Mr. Davis says he sat on the second row of the fight, not far from some of the celebrities. Do you have any proof at all in your research or your investigation as a citizen in this case indicating that Mr. Davis sat on any row in the fight?
Mr. Dorsey (06:39:46):
No.
Mr. Sanft (06:40:01):
Turn with me, if you could, to page 92. There are two pictures that are there. Do you see those pictures?
Mr. Dorsey (06:40:13):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (06:40:14):
The picture to the left there underneath the caption reads, "Me and my sister had the fight." Do you know who it is that's standing next to what proposes to be Mr. Davis?
Mr. Dorsey (06:40:21):
I don't.
Mr. Sanft (06:40:22):
Okay. Do you know when that picture was taken?
Mr. Dorsey (06:40:26):
I don't.
Mr. Sanft (06:40:27):
And do you know where that picture was taken?
Mr. Dorsey (06:40:27):
I don't.
Mr. Sanft (06:40:30):
All right. Now over to the right, you have another picture underneath that says, "Me and my nephew, Baby Lane." You see that picture? Do you know when that picture was taken?
Mr. Dorsey (06:40:40):
No.
Mr. Sanft (06:40:40):
All right. And with regard to that picture, fair to say the two individuals that are standing there look like they're wearing some type of overcoat. Is that right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:40:49):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:40:49):
And hats?
Mr. Dorsey (06:40:49):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:40:52):
And in formal wear with suits and ties?
Mr. Dorsey (06:40:56):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:40:56):
In your review of what Mr. Kaden had sent to you, did you ever review any of the surveillance video from MGM?
Mr. Dorsey (06:41:03):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:41:04):
Did you at any point see any individuals that were dressed exactly like these two individuals in your review of the MGM surveillance?
Mr. Dorsey (06:41:11):
Not that I can recall.
Mr. Sanft (06:41:13):
All right. And fair to say that once again, based upon your research, that September in Las Vegas would be a relatively hot month?
Mr. Dorsey (06:41:22):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:41:25):
Now, in addition to that, you had...
Mr. Dorsey (06:41:32):
Can I say that this is not... He does not claim that this is a picture of him at the fight on September 7th, does he?
Mr. Sanft (06:41:39):
So you're the one that's... You've got the review there-
Mr. Dorsey (06:41:41):
It says me and my nephew, Baby Lane.
Mr. Sanft (06:41:43):
Correct. And just to make sure we're clear, the jury can look at that photograph later.
Mr. Dorsey (06:41:48):
Okay, sure.
Mr. Sanft (06:41:49):
You're fine.
Mr. Dorsey (06:41:49):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (06:41:50):
And once again, you just didn't do any research on that at all, did you?
Mr. Dorsey (06:41:52):
I did. This is not how Baby Lane is dressed in the video at the MGM Grand, so that's clearly not from that night.
Mr. Sanft (06:41:58):
All right. Now, in addition to that, you had also reviewed this idea that they were waiting at Club 662 and at some point they decide that they're going to leave and go back to where they were supposed to come from, right? Is that a yes?
Mr. Dorsey (06:42:13):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:42:14):
Is that back to the Caesar's Palace?
Mr. Dorsey (06:42:17):
They were going back to the Strip.
Mr. Sanft (06:42:19):
They were going back to the Strip?
Mr. Dorsey (06:42:20):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:42:20):
And they were going back to have fun?
Mr. Dorsey (06:42:23):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (06:42:24):
Now they stop, right? To get liquor. And it seems like Mr. Davis is very specific about his liquor. He wants to buy some Dom Pérignon, some Dom Pérignon Rose and Cristal. Do you know those particular alcoholic beverages?
Mr. Dorsey (06:42:39):
I'm familiar, yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:42:40):
All right. Now, let me ask you this. Where does he go to buy the liquor?
Mr. Dorsey (06:42:47):
Are you talking about... Do you want me to quote what's in the book?
Mr. Sanft (06:42:49):
So it's on page 103.
Mr. Dorsey (06:42:51):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (06:42:54):
Review of the page 103 helps refresh your recollection as to where he bought the liquor-
Mr. Dorsey (06:42:58):
As to where he bought is what he said in the book, yes. Liquor Barn.
Mr. Sanft (06:43:02):
Okay. Can you tell us where in Las Vegas in 1996 there was a Liquor Barn?
Mr. Dorsey (06:43:09):
Actually, I did do the research on this and there was a Liquor Barn at Flamingo and trying to remember it's the exact place, but it was off of Flamingo and I can't remember the exact street, but I actually did do the research on that.
Mr. Sanft (06:43:22):
Are you from Las Vegas?
Mr. Dorsey (06:43:23):
I am not.
Mr. Sanft (06:43:24):
Have you ever lived in Las Vegas at any given moment?
Mr. Dorsey (06:43:26):
No, sir.
Mr. Sanft (06:43:28):
And when you said you did the research, what research did you do to verify? Wait, let me finish. Sir. It's all right. Your ego. I get it. What research?
Mr. Dorsey (06:43:38):
Can you please stop badgering me?
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:43:40):
The commentary-
Mr. Dorsey (06:43:41):
It's ridiculous.
Judge (06:43:42):
It's up to him to object. I understand that you are the one... You feel upset that it's up to Mr. DiGiacomo.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:43:48):
I object to the commentary, first of all. Second of all, it sounded like to me he had finished his question and then as soon as Mr. Dorsey goes to answer, he then cuts him off and says, "Well, whoa, let me finish." Mr. Sanft should ask a question, allow him to answer, and we can knock off with the [inaudible 06:44:04] commentary.
Judge (06:44:05):
We're going to strike the comment. We're going to strike the commentary. You may proceed with asking questions.
Mr. Dorsey (06:44:07):
Thank you. I've been trying to be very respectful to you, sir, and I would really appreciate it if you-
Judge (06:44:10):
Okay, there's no question pending for you.
Mr. Dorsey (06:44:10):
Thank you.
Judge (06:44:10):
Hey, I got it.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:44:14):
Okay.
Judge (06:44:15):
No question pending. You ask questions, you answer. Thank you guys.
Mr. Sanft (06:44:19):
What research did you do to verify that there was a Liquor Barn in Las Vegas?
Mr. Dorsey (06:44:24):
I can't remember now, but I think-
Mr. Sanft (06:44:25):
Once again, I'm not done with my question, sir.
Mr. Dorsey (06:44:28):
I'm sorry. You just asked it. You're repeating the question. I apologize. Go ahead. You can finish.
Mr. Sanft (06:44:36):
All right. What information did you pull or research did you conduct to indicate that in 1996 in September, there was a Liquor Barn in Las Vegas?
Mr. Dorsey (06:44:47):
As I recall, I think I looked up old news articles and looked for advertisements. And I maybe even found one that was currently at that location that showed that it was still there, that it had been there up until very recently. And it lined up with where he said it was.
Mr. Sanft (06:45:02):
Did you ever conduct a investigation of the Secretary of State website to indicate whether or not there was ever a Liquor Barn in Nevada?
Mr. Dorsey (06:45:12):
No.
Mr. Sanft (06:45:13):
Did you ever look up licensing in Clark County with regards to whether or not there was ever a Liquor Barn in Nevada in 1996?
Mr. Dorsey (06:45:19):
No.
Mr. Sanft (06:45:21):
Just the newspaper articles?
Mr. Dorsey (06:45:22):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:45:23):
Now, in addition to that, there was some discussion here in the book, once again on page 103, about certain individuals that were in the van that Mr. Davis says that he was in at some point and then transfers over to the vehicle. You remember that?
Mr. Dorsey (06:45:40):
Wait, say again?
Mr. Sanft (06:45:42):
There's information about individuals that were in a van that followed what is the vehicle that Mr. Davis was in. Do you recall who was in that vehicle in the van?
Mr. Dorsey (06:45:55):
I'm reading from the book here. Yeah, he wrote C-Ray, who was Corey Edwards, who he lists as one of his top salesmen. His cousin Trey and BMF's at Big Meech out of Detroit.
Mr. Sanft (06:46:16):
Are you aware that BMF's Big Meech out of Detroit is still residing in Detroit?
Mr. Dorsey (06:46:23):
I'm not familiar with where he's located.
Mr. Sanft (06:46:25):
Did you at any point do any type of research or private investigation on your own to interview Mr. Big Meech out of Detroit to see if this was true?
Mr. Dorsey (06:46:34):
No.
Mr. Sanft (06:46:43):
Now, fair to say that in this book, Mr. Davis talks a little bit about his exploits in Compton, right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:46:54):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:46:55):
And he talks about his work that he was doing as a drug dealer.
Mr. Dorsey (06:47:02):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:47:03):
Now, during the time period of your research, are you aware that shortly after the shooting of Tupac Shakur in September of 1996, that there were search warrants executed throughout Compton of different houses in Compton?
Mr. Dorsey (06:47:20):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:47:21):
And those houses included Mr. Davis's house, right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:47:25):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:47:26):
And it's his family house as well as another house that he resided in as well, right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:47:31):
I believe there were two houses next door to each other, yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:47:34):
There was a third house on California Street. Are you aware of that house?
Mr. Dorsey (06:47:38):
I'm not aware of the entire list of addresses that they rated.
Mr. Sanft (06:47:41):
Okay. But once again, we're just relying on your research here. Now, in terms of your research, fair to say that in the searches of those houses, we don't ever find a 40 caliber gun, right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:47:58):
I actually don't know that for a fact.
Mr. Sanft (06:48:00):
Okay. And in terms of the searches of those houses, we don't find any information that would say that Mr. Davis was actually in Las Vegas on the night of September 7th, 1996.
Mr. Dorsey (06:48:11):
I'm not aware.
Mr. Sanft (06:48:13):
That would be something for another detective, right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:48:16):
Sure.
Mr. Sanft (06:48:18):
Do you know who the detective would be that would testify to that?
Mr. Dorsey (06:48:21):
I don't. One of the Compton Police detectives, but I'm not sure.
Mr. Sanft (06:48:26):
Now, are you aware that Mr. Davis said at some point that he was moving about 300 kilos a month of cocaine out of Compton?
Mr. Dorsey (06:48:36):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:48:39):
In your research at all about the search warrants that were executed in Compton, was there any indication at all of money found in Mr. Davis's home or any of the houses that he was associated with?
Mr. Dorsey (06:48:53):
I can't recall that.
Mr. Sanft (06:48:53):
You can't recall it because you don't know?
Mr. Dorsey (06:48:55):
I don't know.
Mr. Sanft (06:49:03):
Now, in addition to that, I want to make sure I'm clear here. There's a picture here that's on page 30. And it looks like a Pop Warner picture maybe or something like that. Football picture?
Mr. Dorsey (06:49:38):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:49:38):
Okay. Is this true?
Mr. Dorsey (06:49:42):
Is this true that it's a Pop Warner football picture?
Mr. Sanft (06:49:44):
Well, is it a picture of Suge Knight and Mr. Davis?
Mr. Dorsey (06:49:48):
I believe so. I used to be able to find Suge on here, but I'm not sure if I could now.
Mr. Sanft (06:49:53):
Okay. Well, what about my client?
Mr. Dorsey (06:49:57):
Again, I don't know.
Mr. Sanft (06:50:01):
Now, in addition to that, are you aware at all about the photograph that's taken on page 12 of the book?
Mr. Dorsey (06:50:14):
Only in that it's in the book.
Mr. Sanft (06:50:14):
Okay. Now, page 11, once again, tells the reader of the book that he was running a multimillion dollar nationwide drug empire. That's at the bottom of 11. Is that right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:50:46):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:50:48):
Do you have any proof of that?
Mr. Dorsey (06:50:50):
Actually, yes. I've interviewed three former Compton gang unit detectives, and across the board, they told me that Keffe D was a high level drug trafficker. And that basically by the '90s, they rarely saw him on the streets anymore because he was effectively too big for them. They were only running into his soldiers at that point.
Mr. Sanft (06:51:08):
Okay. So you're telling us something that somebody else said. Who are the detectives?
Mr. Dorsey (06:51:12):
I interviewed Bobby Ladd and Reggie Wright Sr. and Ray Richardson.
Mr. Sanft (06:51:19):
Are you aware that Reggie Wright Sr. was a member of the Compton Police Department?
Mr. Dorsey (06:51:27):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (06:51:28):
And are you aware that in 2000, the Compton Police Department was dissolved because it was corrupt?
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:51:33):
Objection. That assumes the facts not in evidence.
Judge (06:51:39):
Can you rephrase? Are you aware that they were dissolved?
Mr. Sanft (06:51:41):
Well, I mean, yes, Your Honor. Let me ask it this way then. With regards to the Compton Police Department, are they currently Compton Police Department as of today?
Mr. Dorsey (06:51:50):
No, sir.
Mr. Sanft (06:51:53):
Why not?
Mr. Dorsey (06:51:53):
Well, there's conflicting with counsel of why it was shut down. And I believe it may have been 2002. I don't know if it was 2000. But the city said that it was corrupt and they were shutting it down for corrupt reasons. Of course, if you talk to the police that were there, it was their contention that City Hall was corrupt and they didn't want the police department investigating them. And then once they shut down, the Las Vegas Sheriff's Department took over policing for the City of Compton. They took over the contract. And I know that many of those Compton police officers were just immediately hired by the LA Sheriff's Department and continued to work in Compton.
Mr. Sanft (06:52:27):
Now, in terms of your evidence here today or the things that you have, fair to say that what you're telling us is basically based upon what other people have told you?
Mr. Dorsey (06:52:36):
Sure.
Mr. Sanft (06:52:37):
Do you have any physical evidence that we can look at to help us determine whether or not Mr. Davis is actually in Las Vegas on the night of the fight?
Mr. Dorsey (06:52:45):
Physical evidence? No, I don't.
Mr. Sanft (06:52:47):
And with regards to the raids in this case, and I want to make sure I did not miss this point, were there any indication at all of very expensive $6,000 suits in any of his homes?
Mr. Dorsey (06:53:00):
I can't recall because the search warrant and the return of the search warrant is literally dozens and dozens of pages long. Just lists after lists after lists of guns, ammunition, jewelry that were seized from these... I mean, it was something like 30 some addresses, I think. Two thirds of them I think were actually Piru Blood addresses. The other third were Crips. I can't recall from memory. I don't have a photographic memory of every single item that was recovered, so I can't answer that question.
Mr. Sanft (06:53:25):
All right. But fair enough. Your research is targeting towards Mr. Davis, but in terms of your recollection, you don't recall what was actually in his homes?
Mr. Dorsey (06:53:33):
Off the top of my head, I don't recall that, no.
Mr. Sanft (06:53:35):
And that information would be better served by a member of Compton Police Department?
Mr. Dorsey (06:53:40):
Yeah, they probably could do that. But again, it was 30 years ago. They would probably need to be given a heads-up so they can look it up before they come here and testify.
Mr. Sanft (06:53:49):
And just one final point and then I'll just let you go. Your testimony here is that... Let me pick up here and make sure I'm clear. In your review of the Death Row Chronicles book, is there anything at all in your reading of the book... And once again, you tell me, you read every page of that book, right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:54:22):
Death Row Chronicles book?
Mr. Sanft (06:54:23):
Yeah.
Mr. Dorsey (06:54:24):
The one by Greg Kading. Murder Rap. Murder Rap book.
Mr. Sanft (06:54:28):
I'm sorry. Murder Rap. Yeah. There you go. Did you read this book?
Mr. Dorsey (06:54:31):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (06:54:31):
Cover to cover?
Mr. Dorsey (06:54:32):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (06:54:33):
Is there anything in at all in the book that says that, you know what? I don't know for sure if anything in this book is true or not. Take it for a buyer beware or reader beware in this book?
Mr. Dorsey (06:54:44):
I don't recall. It's been many years since I read it.
Mr. Sanft (06:54:48):
Now, what about the Captain Scott book and any of its additions? Did you ever recall anything in here that says buyer beware, reader beware of what's in this book?
Mr. Dorsey (06:54:58):
Same answer. It's been years since I read it. I don't know.
Mr. Sanft (06:55:00):
Okay. How about the Compton Street legend book? Do you have anything at all in here that would indicate to the reader that, Hey, we can't verify the information that's in this book?
Mr. Dorsey (06:55:11):
I don't recall.
Mr. Sanft (06:55:12):
Okay. If you turn with me inside this book to the table of contents, you see that? And on the left-hand side, there is a portion that's in there, correct?
Mr. Dorsey (06:55:26):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:55:27):
And in that portion, does it say that even though the authors and publishers have made every effort to ensure the accuracy and completeness of the information contained in this book, we assume no responsibilities for errors, inaccuracies, omissions, or any inconsistency herein?
Mr. Dorsey (06:55:46):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (06:55:47):
Okay. And you didn't read that in any of those other books, right?
Mr. Dorsey (06:55:49):
Again, I don't recall. It's just typical legalese disclaimer.
Mr. Sanft (06:55:54):
Do you know how much Mr. Davis was paid for his interviews with the project that you were on?
Mr. Dorsey (06:55:59):
Death Row Chronicles?
Mr. Sanft (06:56:00):
Yes.
Mr. Dorsey (06:56:01):
No, sir.
Mr. Sanft (06:56:04):
And fair to say that would've been a contract between himself and the company that you were working for as an independent contractor?
Mr. Dorsey (06:56:10):
It could have been a contract between him and BET. Typically, talent contracts are with the channel, not necessarily the production company. So I don't know.
Mr. Sanft (06:56:21):
Your Honor, I have no further questions.
Judge (06:56:24):
Okay. Redirect, Mr. DiGiacomo.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:56:26):
Just briefly. Mr. Sanft started out talking about you providing your recordings-
Mr. Dorsey (06:56:35):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:56:36):
... to us. Did somebody have to authorize that for you to release those to us?
Mr. Dorsey (06:56:42):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:56:43):
And who had to authorize it?
Mr. Dorsey (06:56:44):
So a attorney at Paramount Pictures, which owns BET Network, authorized it. And then the head of Creature Films, which is the production company, also authorized it, both to me in writing and an email.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:56:59):
Now, Mr. Sanft asked you a bunch of questions about the Liquor Barn at Maryland and Flamingo or you said Flamingo, you couldn't remember the street. Were you aware if Lee's Liquor, used to call itself Lee's Liquor Barn before they got a trademark infringement?
Mr. Dorsey (06:57:20):
I'm not sure.
Judge (06:57:20):
How would he be aware?
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:57:20):
I'm just wondering. Mr. Sanft was allowed to ask every question on earth. Just additive.
Mr. Dorsey (06:57:31):
I can't remember if that's how I discovered that or not.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:57:35):
Are you aware that even today, if there's a Liquor Locker at [inaudible 06:57:43], Maryland?
Mr. Dorsey (06:57:43):
Yes. I think that's how I first tipped onto the fact that there was a liquor store in the region or the area where Keffe had described it.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:57:51):
Now, Mr. Sanft asked you if you had ever tried to confirm that Foxy Brown was in Vegas.
Mr. Dorsey (06:58:00):
Right.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:58:02):
Are you aware if Foxy Brown's real name is Inga Marchand?
Mr. Dorsey (06:58:05):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:58:07):
Are you aware if Inga Marchand was even present at Biggie Smalls' murder?
Mr. Dorsey (06:58:12):
She was, yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:58:14):
Objection to relevance, Your Honor, and leading.
Judge (06:58:18):
What's your response, Mr. DiGiacomo?
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:58:21):
I don't think it was. I said, are you aware if? So of course it's not leading by definition.
Judge (06:58:29):
Okay. So it's not leading. What about the relevance?
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:58:30):
Well, I'm about to ask him a relevant question about Inga Marchand.
Judge (06:58:33):
I'll overrule. I'll give you a little bit of leeway to establish the relevance. Go ahead.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:58:37):
Have you ever tried to interview Inga Marchand?
Mr. Dorsey (06:58:42):
I have not.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:58:44):
Are you aware of how many detectives have ever tried to interview Inga Marchand?
Mr. Dorsey (06:58:49):
I am not aware.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:58:50):
Okay.
Mr. Dorsey (06:58:52):
At least for the Tupac case. I know that they tried to reach her for the Biggie case.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:58:58):
In the book in there, Mr. Davis, does he discuss his proffer that took place in 2008?
Mr. Dorsey (06:59:10):
In the book?
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:59:11):
Yes.
Mr. Dorsey (06:59:11):
I can't remember offhand.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:59:13):
Go to the second to last chapter here. I can do it in Exhibit 127.
Mr. Dorsey (06:59:17):
Okay.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:59:30):
Sorry, got to get to the page. Does he have a chapter entitled, "We Know," and on this exhibit it is page 120 out of 145?
Mr. Dorsey (06:59:48):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (06:59:50):
And if you briefly review, I don't know, maybe the first four or five paragraphs.
Mr. Dorsey (07:00:09):
Yes, sir.
Mr. DiGiacomo (07:00:11):
Okay. Have you got other part yet where he talks about the decision to go down and speak with the police about this event?
Mr. Dorsey (07:00:17):
Not quite yet. One second. Yeah, it's a few pages in, it looks like.
Mr. DiGiacomo (07:00:50):
Yeah. I mean, you can keep reading, but that paragraph is talking about that subject matter. Is that fair?
Mr. Dorsey (07:00:55):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (07:00:55):
Or that chapter, I should say.
Mr. Dorsey (07:00:57):
Correct. Yes. The task force and how they got him.
Mr. DiGiacomo (07:01:07):
There were questions about what you could and couldn't confirm from Mr. Davis's story with the file that you had. Do you remember those questions?
Mr. Dorsey (07:01:20):
Say again.
Mr. DiGiacomo (07:01:20):
There were questions asked by Mr. Sanft about, did you confirm this or did you confirm things from the 2008?
Mr. Dorsey (07:01:26):
Yes, sir.
Mr. DiGiacomo (07:01:28):
Many of... Well, let me ask you this. Were many of the things he said in his proffer confirmed by the Biggie Smalls case file?
Mr. Dorsey (07:01:36):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (07:01:38):
In fact, had Corey Edwards in 2006 given a statement to police?
Mr. Dorsey (07:01:43):
Correct. He gave a statement to detectives Greg Kading and Tim Brennan.
Mr. DiGiacomo (07:01:52):
Finally, going back to that 2008 statement, I just want to make sure we're clear that as far as you know, the first time the word Sea Breeze or Sebring the girls in the car, the actual model of the car came from Mr. Davis-
Mr. Sanft (07:02:12):
Objection, Your Honor. Leading.
Judge (07:02:18):
Say yes or no. Overruled.
Mr. Dorsey (07:02:19):
In the 2008 proffer?
Mr. Sanft (07:02:21):
Yes.
Mr. Dorsey (07:02:21):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (07:02:22):
Thank you very much.
Judge (07:02:25):
Recross.
Mr. Sanft (07:02:27):
Sir, just based upon your investigation as a civil investigator in this case, did you ever speak with Suge Knight?
Mr. Dorsey (07:02:34):
No.
Mr. Sanft (07:02:35):
No further questions, Your Honor.
Judge (07:02:37):
Anything further based on that, Mr. DiGiacomo?
Mr. DiGiacomo (07:02:41):
No.
Judge (07:02:41):
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, any questions for this witness?
(07:02:45)
Okay. All right. Thank you for being with us for these two days. Mr. Dorsey, you are excused.
Mr. Dorsey (07:02:50):
Thank you so much.
Judge (07:02:50):
You're welcome. Will he be subject to recall or is he released from the subpoena?
Mr. Sanft (07:02:58):
No, let's keep him subject to recall, Your Honor.
Judge (07:03:01):
Okay. All right. Anybody else to present today, Mr. DiGiacomo?
Mr. DiGiacomo (07:03:05):
No, Judge.
Judge (07:03:05):
All right. So then we are going to recess for the evening. At this time, you're admonished. You are not to talk or converse amongst yourselves or with anyone else on any subject connected to the trial or read, watch, or listen to any report of or commentary on the trial of any person connected with this case by any medium of information, including without limitation, newspaper, television, the internet, and radio, or form or express any opinion on any subject connected with the trial until the case is submitted to you. We'll see you guys back here at 9:00 AM tomorrow. Please rise for the jury.
(07:03:31)
For the record, the jury has exited the room. Anything we need to address outside their presence?
Mr. DiGiacomo (07:04:10):
Not from the state. I did request that the link that was sent to you be sent to Mr. Sanft, so he should have it today.
Judge (07:04:19):
Okay. Mr. Sanft, anything else?
Mr. Sanft (07:04:20):
No, Your Honor.
Judge (07:04:21):
Okay. We'll be in recess. We'll see everyone back 9:00 AM tomorrow.
Mr. DiGiacomo (07:04:23):
Thank you.
