Feb 3, 2021

eBay (EBAY) Q4 2020 Earnings Call Transcript

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eBay reported Q4 2020 earnings on February 3, 2021. The firm reported strong revenue numbers, beating estimates. Read the conference call transcript here.

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Operator: (00:01)
Ladies and gentlemen, thanks for standing by and welcome to the eBay Q4 2020 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker’s presentation, there’ll be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press *1 on your telephone. Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press *0. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Joe Billante, VP of Communications and Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Joe Billante: (00:37)
Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us and welcome to eBay’s earnings release conference call for the fourth quarter of 2020. Joining me today on the call are Jamie Iannone, our Chief Executive Officer, and Andy Cring, our interim chief financial officer. We’re providing a slide presentation to accompany Andy’s commentary during the call, which is available through the investor relations section of the eBay website at investors.eBayInc com. Before we begin, I’d like to remind you that during the course of this conference call, we will discuss some non-gap measures related to our performance. You can find the reconciliation of these measures to the nearest comparable gap measures in the slide presentation accompanying this conference call. Additionally, all revenue and GMB growth rates mentioned in Jamie and Andrew’s remarks represent FX neutral year over year comparisons, unless they indicate otherwise.

Joe Billante: (01:28)
In this conference call, management will make forward-looking statements, including without limitation, statements regarding our future performance and expected financial results. These forward looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, and our actual results may differ materially from our forecast for a variety of reasons. You can find more information about risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could affect our operating results in our most recent periodic reports on form 10K and form 10Q and our earnings release from earlier today. You should not rely on any forward-looking statements. All information in this presentation is as a February 3rd, 2021, and we do not intend and undertake no duty to update this information.

Joe Billante: (02:10)
With that, let me turn it over to Jamie.

Jamie Iannone: (02:13)
Thanks, Joe. Good afternoon everyone, and thank you for joining us. I’ll begin today’s call with some key highlights from last quarter of last year and walk you through an update on the progress of eBay’s tech led re imagination. I will then turn the call over to Andy to discuss the details of our recent performance and near term outlook.

Jamie Iannone: (02:31)
Overall, 2020 was a great year for sellers and buyers on eBay. We are pleased that we closed out the year with strong results. For Q4, gross merchandise volume and marketplaces grew 18%, well ahead of our expectations. The holiday season contributed to the strong performance as we saw record volume with high velocity in hard to find and sold out items. Refurbished gifts also emerged as a top trend and we saw many products from top brands and our certified refurbished experience sell out completely.

Jamie Iannone: (03:03)
Our buyers were very active during the holiday season. In the US, one in 10 online shoppers bought something on eBay. In Germany, that number was one in seven. And in the UK, it was one in four. In addition to this holiday surge, we experienced unprecedented traffic levels for most of 2020, and yet our platform had the highest availability in the last six years. To put this in context, more than 100 days in 2020 exceeded peak 2019 traffic levels. eBay has been able to seamlessly handle these peaks while keeping our marketplace open for all during the global pandemic. For the full quarter, revenue grew 10 points faster than volume, up 28%, driven primarily by payments and advertising. And we delivered 86 cents in non-gap earnings per share, which was above our expectations and included reinvestments for the long-term. Our customer metrics grew on both sides of our marketplace in the quarter. Active buyers grew 7% to 185 million globally, and our active seller base increased by 5% as more small business and consumer sellers listed and sold on the platform.

Jamie Iannone: (04:16)
These results capped off a tremendous year for eBay. In 2020, we added an incremental $14 billion of GMV. That’s more growth than the past seven years combined. Organic revenue grew 21% and non-gap earnings per share grew 49%. And we returned nearly $5.6 billion to shareholders through dividends and buybacks.

Jamie Iannone: (04:39)
In July, I laid out a long-term vision for the company and we have re architected our roadmap to achieve our tech re imagination Over the next few years. We also made progress on our multi-year initiatives, payments and advertising, which drove tremendous financial results while providing customers with a significantly improved experience. We continue to make significant advancements with our managed payments transition, ending the year with over one million sellers migrated. During the quarter eBay managed payments for over 38% of on-platform volume. In the US, we exited the year with over 50% of the migration complete. In addition to the five markets where we already launched, transitions have been announced or were underway in France, Italy, Spain, and greater China. We have also started to transition consumer sellers in the US, UK, Canada, and Germany.

Jamie Iannone: (05:37)
Seller satisfaction has improved compared to Q3, and NPS scores from sellers in managed payments remain more than 10 points higher than the NPS of sellers who have yet to migrate. Over the course of 2021, we plan to roll out payments to remaining markets, launch cross border trade, and release product capabilities for all use cases. This roadmap opens up managed payments to all sellers globally and places us firmly on our path toward 100% migration.

Jamie Iannone: (06:07)
As the vast majority of the transition will be complete by the end of this year, we are well positioned to deliver at least an incremental $2 billion in revenue and $500 million in operating income annually in 2022. In Q4, advertising growth outpaced volume once again, as sellers leaned further into promoted listings to grow their business. For the quarter, promoted listings delivered over $215 million of revenue, up 57%, despite having [inaudible 00:06:36] a major product launch that drove strong acceleration a year ago. For the full year, promoted listings grew 86%. This product continues to grow in part because sellers who have adopted promoted listings are seeing, on average, a double digit sales increase.

Jamie Iannone: (06:53)
Our total advertising revenue reached a new milestone in 2020, passing $1 billion for the year. We see tremendous growth potential remaining as this represents approximately 1% of GMV, well below industry benchmarks. We expect advertising revenue to outpace volume for the foreseeable future.

Jamie Iannone: (07:13)
Now I’d like to share an update on the transfer of classified [inaudible 00:07:17]. We remain excited to bring together two highly complementary businesses that can create tremendous value over time. We believe the deal is on track to close as we have received the vast majority of regulatory approvals. We expect closure by the end of the first quarter, subject to the remaining regulatory approvals which we are working to obtain. We also recently announced that we are exploring options for our Korean business. Our two local platforms, Key Market and IAC, have built leaving e-commerce positions by tailoring to customer needs with innovative experiences. With a paid loyalty program of over 2.5 million members and a growing first party inventory program, these businesses primarily focus on new and seasoned products from B2C sellers with limited cross border trade. As we mentioned in our press release, we will not be communicating any further information about the strategic review process until there is material information to disclose.

Jamie Iannone: (08:13)
I will now provide an update on the progress we have made towards our longterm vision for eBay. The three strategic priorities to support this vision remain the same. First, to defend our core by building compelling next gen experiences for our enthusiasts. Second, to become the partner of choice for sellers. And third, to cultivate lifelong trusted relationships with our buyers. In the past few months, we launched several new product experiences aligned with this vision. While we still have a long way to go, we are encouraged by the initial reaction from buyers and sellers and the acceleration in GMV in several categories. During the fall in the US, we launched authentication for luxury watches and quickly rolled out a similar experience to sneakers a few weeks later. We have to put a greater focus on protecting buyers and sellers by preventing counterfeits and eliminating fraudulent returns. These experiences are driving significantly higher than average customer satisfaction, and we see opportunities to expand this capability to other verticals and markets.

Jamie Iannone: (09:15)
This new product experience is driving material growth in these categories for US business. For luxury watches over $2,000, we saw a double digit increase in GMV growth in Q4 versus Q3, driven by higher sell through rates and higher average prices. For sneakers over $100, we saw triple digit growth year over year in Q4. While some volume growth is due to the effects of the pandemic, significant growth drivers included the authentication rollout, pricing reductions, and marketing changes. Sneaker buyer behavior is a great example of the power of the eBay platform. In 2020, the average customer who purchased a pair of sneakers over $100 spent a total of $2,500 on eBay. Approximately 80% of that spend was in categories outside of sneakers. We will continue to drive more cross category shopping to grow GMV [inaudible 00:10:10] over time.

Jamie Iannone: (10:12)
To expand the buyer base, we’re investing in new channels, including social marketing to reach more Gen Z and Millennial customers. We launched a TikTok campaign called Lace Them Up, generating 4.7 billion views. And we also have been partnering with celebrities, famous athletes, and influencers on exclusive promotions. Another area of non new and seasoned inventory we’re focused on is outlet fashion. In the UK, we launched an optimized brand outlet experience with 150 fashion brands offering products at deep discounts. This contributed to strong double digit GMV growth in fashion ahead of UK market rates. We also saw active listings double and active buyers in the category grew 30% in Q4.

Jamie Iannone: (10:58)
Moving onto the second key priority of our vision, becoming the platform of choice for sellers. In addition to enhancements and payments and advertising, we continue to provide small businesses with more tools and capabilities to help them grow. In Q4, we added more automation and scale to seller initiated offers. This uniquely eBay feature allow sellers to escape the limits of a buyback by enabling them to offer custom deals to individual buyers. For the year, seller initiated offers drove over $1.2 billion of GMV. Another win for sellers on eBay in Q4 was an SEO. The work we’ve done in the past to optimize our platform for search engine ranking and visibility is paying off. SEO traffic is growing faster than paid channels and delivering more new buyers to small business sellers on eBay. Last, we continue to increase seller visibility in our native app by driving traffic to their eBay stores. 95% of our store subscribers have migrated to the newest experience and they are seeing a 20% average increase in visits to their storefront.

Jamie Iannone: (12:03)
The third key priority of our strategy is to cultivate lifelong trusted relationships with buyers. To achieve this, we are leveraging technology to remove friction throughout the buying journey. A major focus for us has been the native app experience. In 2020, almost half of our global GMV was transacted in the app and it continues to grow faster than the overall business as buyer and seller preferences evolved. We have maintained high ratings in both iOS and Android, and our app was downloaded more than 50 million times in 2020. To drive engagement from buyers on mobile, we have simplified item pages, made it easier to like or share an item, and provided more exposure by granting direct access to seller stores. Additionally, we improved conversion by enhancing search relevance and streamlining store and filter options, allowing app users to find what they are looking for faster.

Jamie Iannone: (12:59)
While we are focused on delivering our vision, we remain committed to keeping our purpose at the forefront by leveraging the power of our platform to support our communities. One way we did this last year was by helping to quickly and efficiently distribute PPE to frontline workers in the UK. eBay partnered with the UK’s National Health Service, the Department for Health and Social Care and logistic partners on this effort. I am proud to report that in December, the NHS PPE portal powered by eBay reached a significant milestone. Together, we’ve delivered more than 1 billion PPE items to more than 45,000 social care providers in the UK.

Jamie Iannone: (13:41)
Another way the eBay platform provides opportunity is by enabling a thriving customer community that loves to give back. During the year that has been challenging for so many, the eBay for charity community continues to be an inspiration. 2020 was a record breaking year with nearly $123 million raised globally in charitable donations. The generosity showed by our buyers and sellers is amazing. The spirit of a global community centered around connection and economic opportunity for all is clearly alive and well.

Jamie Iannone: (14:14)
Over the course of 2020, eBay invested more than $100 million to support the growing needs of small businesses around the world through programs like Up And Running. These programs provided the access, training, and resources needed to start selling online and connect new sellers to eBay’s global community of buyers. And just last quarter, we announced further assistance through an up and running grant program. In the coming weeks, we will reward a number of eBay US small business sellers a grant package worth $10,000 each.

Jamie Iannone: (14:45)
As I’ve mentioned in the past, at eBay, we focus our sustainability initiatives on the most impactful goals that will help strengthen our business and provide the most value to all our stakeholders and our commitment to climate action and transparency is being recognized externally. We were once again included in the Dow Jones system-

Jamie Iannone: (15:03)
… Externally. We were once again included in the DOW Jones Sustainability World and North America Indices and recognized in the Carbon Disclosures Project A List for the first time. In the past year alone, we have avoided an additional 720,000 metric tons of carbon emissions through people selling their pre-owned electronics and apparel on eBay. In summary, we are making progress on our vision to realize the enormous untapped potential of eBay and we have a clear roadmap for 2021 and beyond. Our payments transition is on track and will largely be completed this year. Our advertising business will continue to outpace volume to promoted listings and other products. As we descend the quarter, we plan to expand our new vertical experiences to more markets and innovate in more categories. To date, we’ve only touched a single digit percentage of our global GMV, but in the coming years, that will expand to a majority of volume.

Jamie Iannone: (15:57)
To build a platform of choice for sellers, we will continue to expand the store’s experience and give sellers more tools to increase velocity. We will also leverage technology to dramatically simplify the end to end selling process for consumer and business sellers. To create more lifelong buyer relationships, we will connect with them through new channels, deepen their engagement with the eBay app, and deliver trusted experiences when they shop with us. Last but not least, we will continue to invest in product and technology and evolve how we spend marketing in order to become the best marketplace in the world for buyers and sellers. I know we can accomplish all of this through the fantastic team I have the privilege of leading. Our employees lived our purpose in 2020, and I look forward to what we can do together for our customers in 2021 and beyond. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Andy to provide more details on our financial performance. Andy?

Andy: (16:53)
Thanks Jamie. I will begin my prepared remarks with our Q4 financial highlights, starting on slide four of the earnings presentation. In Q4, we generated $2.9 billion of revenue, 86 cents of non-gap DPS, and $715 million of free cashflow, while returning $529 million to shareholders through share repurchases and cash dividends. Moving to active buyers on slide five. We exited the year with 185 million buyers, representing 7% year on year growth, a two point acceleration versus the third quarter. Since the end of Q1, we’ve added 11 million buyers to the ecosystem and are seeing retention rates in line with historical cohorts. We continue to see growth in GMV per active buyer across the buyer base. Moving to slide six. In Q4, we enabled $26.6 billion of marketplace GMV, up 18% year on year. While volume decelerated three points versus the third quarter, we did see modest compared to September growth rates driven by a decrease in consumer mobility and benefits from ongoing improvements in the product experience across horizontal work streams and the progress we’re making in key verticals.

Andy: (18:13)
In the US, we generated $9.6 billion of GMV in Q4, up 25% year on year, decelerating eight points from Q3. International GMV was up 15% year on year, a one point acceleration versus the third quarter. Inclusive of growth in our off-platform Korean business, that’s 5% accelerating one point from Q3. For the full year, the marketplace platform generated $100 billion of GMV, up 17% year on year and acceleration of 19 points versus the prior year. Turning to revenue on slide seven. Our Q4 net revenue was $2.9 billion, up 28% organically, accelerating two points. We delivered $ 2.6 billion of transaction revenue, up 31%, accelerating three points from Q3 driven by our payments migration and strengthened advertising. In managed payments, strong execution continued as we rapidly expanded seller migration to the new payments platform, reaching over 38% of global on-platform volume in the quarter. In addition to the higher customer satisfaction metrics that Jamie mentioned, managed payments contributed 10 points of incremental revenue growth versus 2019. Transaction take rate was 9.8% for the quarter, accelerating 40 basis points driven by managed payments and promoted listings, partially offset by FX.

Andy: (19:44)
This is the second straight quarter with a 40 basis point increase, and we expect take rate to continue to grow as managed payments and promoted listings continue to scale. We delivered $270 million of marketing services and other revenue up 3%, accelerating four points from Q3, mostly from a lower headwind from lapping the sale of brands for friends, partially offset by first party growth in Korea which decelerated approximately 40 points to 60% year on year growth. For the full year, the marketplace platform generated $10.3 billion in revenue, up 20%. Year over year growth was driven by higher volumes as well as strong execution in our initiatives. In advertising, we cleared $1 billion ahead of expectations and powered by the 86% growth in promoted listings. And manage payments delivered eight points of incremental revenue growth in the second half of the year.

Andy: (20:41)
Turning to slide eight in major cost drivers. In Q4, we delivered non-GAAP operating margin of 28.1%. This is up approximately 20 basis points year on year, driven by volume leverage and growth in advertising, partially offset by re investments and FX. Cost of revenue is up over one point year on year, driven by managed payments and our first party inventory program in Korea, partially offset by volume leverage. Sales and marketing expense was down approximately 50 basis points versus the prior year as volume leverage and spend efficiency were partially offset by investments in our vertical strategy and brand advertising. Product development costs were flat as volume leverage was offset by investments in the product experience, including managed payments. GNA was down approximately 70 basis points, primarily from volume leverage and cost control, partially offset by charitable donations to support the eBay foundation.

Andy: (21:44)
Transaction losses were down 10 basis points as bad debt rates have performed better than expected. For the year, operating margin was 31.3%, up three points. Two points from the volume upside net of reinvestment, and one point from continued cost efficiency related to our operational review. Turning to EPS on slide nine. In Q4, we delivered 86 cents of non-GAAP EPS, up 31% versus the prior year. Non-GAAP EPS growth was driven primarily by higher volume and reduction in share count driven by our repurchases and growth in advertising and payments, partially offset by a higher tax rate and investments in our vertical strategy and brand advertising. For the year, we delivered 49% growth in non-GAAP EPS, primarily driven by volume, reduction in share count from our repurchase program, growth in advertising and payments, in addition to continued cost efficiency, partially offset by FX, a higher tax rate, and lower interest income.

Andy: (22:56)
GAAP EPS for the quarter was $1.12, up 94% versus last year. The increase in GAAP EPS is mostly driven by the same factors as non-GAAP performance, plus the change in the value of investments, including the fair value of the [inaudible 00:23:12] warrant, partially offset by a higher tax rate. For the year, we delivered 100% growth in GAAP EPS, primarily driven by the fair value of the [inaudible 00:23:22] warrant. Non-GAAP performance, our share repurchase program, partially offset by a higher tax rate. As always, you can find the detailed reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures in our press release and earnings presentation. Moving to slide 10. In Q4, we generated $715 million of free cashflow, up 27% driven by higher earnings. We had a very strong year of cash generation, finishing 2020 with $2.7 billion of free cash flow, a 29% increase year on year, driven by top line growth, improve working capital, and lower CapEx, partially offset by higher cash taxes.

Andy: (24:07)
Moving to slide 11. For the quarter, we ended with cash and investments of $4.1 billion and debt of $7.8 billion. In Q4, we repurchased nearly 8.5 million shares at an average price of $49.46 per share, amounting to $419 million. For the year, we repurchased nearly 124 million shares at an average price of $41.31, amounting to $5.1 billion in total. We ended the year with $2 billion of share repurchase authorization remaining. Moving to slide 12. I’d like to provide an update on our investments, starting with the pending classifieds transaction. As Jamie said, we remain excited to bring together two highly complimentary businesses that can create tremendous value over time. When we announced the transfer on July 20th, the valuation was $9.2 billion based on a mix of cash and [inaudible 00:25:06] shares. The share price has appreciated by over 10%, which increased the value of the classifieds business to nearly $10.7 billion based on recent trading levels.

Andy: (25:17)
We expected the cash portion of the transfer will provide approximately $2 billion net of tax, and we currently expect any future sale of our stake would be a taxable event at the prevailing statutory rate. Turning to [inaudible 00:25:31] The warrant we acquired in Q2 of 2018 is valued at $1.1 billion at the end of Q4, an increase of $770 million a year on year. This is an additional value driver stemming from our payments initiative, incremental to the plan of at least $2 billion of transaction revenue and $500 million of operating profit that is expected in 2022. You can find more information on the audient warrant in our 10k. For both of these investments, we remain excited about the optionality they provide, including the significant value each can generate for shareholders. Moving to guidance on slide 13. Given the limited visibility to potential outcomes in the longer term, we are providing guidance for the first quarter and will reassess providing longer term guidance at a later date.

Andy: (26:24)
For Q1, we are projecting revenue between $2.94 and $2.99 billion, growing between 35% to 37% on an organic FX neutral basis. This assumes marketplaces volume growth in the low twenties, driven by strength in e-commerce and continued improvements in our user experience. In addition, we expect further take rate expansion driven by ongoing strong execution and managed payments and advertising. We expect non-GAAP EPS of $1.03 to $1.08 per share, representing 49% to 57% growth. We expect non-GAAP EPS growth will be driven primarily by volume, lower share count, managed payments and advertising, partially offset by continued investments in product and marketing. We are expecting GAAP EPS from continuing operations in the range of 81 to 86 cents per share in Q1. In February, our board approved a 13% increase to our quarterly dividend, raising it to 18 cents per share. The dividend will be payable to shareholders of record as of March 1st with a payment date of March 19th.

Andy: (27:39)
Our board has also approved an additional share repurchase authorization of $4 billion with no expiration, raising the total authorization to approximately $6 billion. While we aren’t guiding for the full year, we do want to provide some additional context for our path forward. On volume, while we are in the early days, we feel great about the progress we are making on the strategy we’ve laid out and believe these efforts will continue to deliver growth as we scale. In the near term, it is important to note that we will begin to lap significantly tougher comps toward the end of Q1. And looking at Q2 specifically, we will be facing into our peak level of growth in 2020 that was driven by the first wave of mobility restrictions, stimulus payments around the world, and supply chain disruptions that our globally distributed sellers were well positioned to overcome. We expect revenue will continue to outpace GMV as seller migration into managed payments nears to completion, and we expect ads to continue to grow faster than volume on our way to the next billion dollars.

Andy: (28:48)
On margin, we expect to continue to drive operational efficiency while investing into higher rates of long-term revenue growth. We maintain our commitment of delivering two points of margin expansion versus 2019, achieving at least 30% by 2022. We expect to deliver strong, free cash flow and will continue to return capital to shareholders through share buybacks and dividends while being opportunistic with strategic M&A to accelerate our core strategy. Throughout 2020, we strengthened our balance sheet by leveraging favorable market conditions to improve rates on our outstanding debt within our existing targets and tenants. We will continue to optimize our capital structure and recently announced our intention to call our retail bond that we plan to replace with debt at favorable rates in 2021. In summary, 2020 was an extraordinary year. We added $14 billion of GMV and 11 million active buyers to our ecosystem. We executed in payments and advertising, which delivered a combined seven points of incremental revenue growth compared to GMV for the year, 13 points in the fourth quarter. We processed over 38% of on-platform GMV-

Andy: (30:03)
We processed over 38% of on-platform GMV through managed payments in the fourth quarter, while improving experiences for buyers and sellers. We cleared $1 billion in advertising in the year, highlighted by 86% growth within promoted listings. We grew non-GAAP BPS by 49% and delivered strong free cash flow of $2.7 billion. We executed a comprehensive portfolio review, including the divestiture of StubHub for $4 billion, depending transfer of ECG assets at a favorable valuation and announced the decision to explore options for Korea in January. We returned nearly $5.6 billion to shareholders through share repurchases and cash dividends, repurchasing 5.1 billion of our own shares, taking advantage of a market price that we do not believe reflects the value of our company. And in these imaginably tough times, we were there to help our employees, sellers, buyers, and communities, while delivering strong results for our shareholders.

Andy: (31:06)
We exit 2020, having improved the underlying health of the business, by delivering on the strategy we implemented this year and we entered 2021 focused and excited to deliver on the next phase of the strategy. As we build more compelling next gen experiences, become the partner of choice for sellers and cultivate lifelong trusted relationships with our buyers. And now we’d be happy to answer your questions. Operator.

Operator: (31:31)
As a reminder, to ask a question, you need to press star one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound or hash key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Eric Sheridan with UBS, your line is open.

Eric Sheridan: (31:49)
Thanks so much for taking the questions, maybe two if I can. Appreciate all the color on some of the vertical moves you’re making, especially with respect to watches and sneakers. Can you talk a little bit, just strategically about how much you already have in place to capitalize on looking … going vertical-by-vertical within the marketplace or how much are sort of investments you have to make to unlock the opportunity over the longer term. And then understand on what you face in the middle part of the year, with respect to comping against the growth from year ago. Can you just talk philosophically about how much you think your exit philosophy is going to matter against running against that comp, versus how much you might want to make investments to sustain momentum and either buyer growth or buyer behavior, to sort of outline the comp through some of the investments you might be able to make against the business, or just letting sort of the market play out from a comp perspective. Thanks so much.

Jim: (32:45)
Yeah, thanks Eric. Let me take the first one on verticals [inaudible 00:32:48] can take a second.

Jim: (32:48)
So, we invested in those verticals, really based on the strategy that we laid out in July of focusing on non-new and seasoned and opportunities where we had strength to win. And if you look at those categories being watches, sneakers, which we brought out shortly after watches, and then certified refurbish. We saw really great growth rates. I mentioned the triple digit growth rates that we saw in sneakers. You got to remember, this was a business that had been in decline. And so, to see it as strong as this, shows us the power of really focusing on those verticals and the end-to-end experience for our customers. And so, while those categories represent a single digit percentage of our GMV, the plan is to continue to roll out new category experiences from an end-to-end perspective over the course of the coming years, eventually meeting the majority of our GMV.

Jim: (33:34)
I will add, that we included another area for us in the UK, where we piloted a fashion brand outlet with 150 fashion brand sellers, performed really well, double digit growth, ahead of the market and ahead of what we expected. And so, with that kind of gives us the confidence that the strategy is working and the confidence to continue to roll out more categories over the coming quarters and years.

Andy: (33:59)
Okay Eric, and then on the second part of your question on comps and investment. Clearly, there’s a lot of noise now, with what’s going on with the pandemic, but that hasn’t stopped or really changed the approach we’ve taken towards building towards longer-term growth. It’s given us a little bit of a tailwind to lean in a bit on investment, but the beauty of this model is, as I said, in my prepared remarks, we’re committed to the 30% margin and we believe that we’ve got a very strong plan to get there and we feel like we’ve made great progress on the initiatives this year. Exiting the year stronger, certainly stronger than we entered and stronger than we had anticipated when we entered the year. As we look at the controllable aspects of growth, if you peel apart what we can see from COVID-related items.

Eric Sheridan: (34:56)
Great, thanks guys.

Operator: (34:59)
Our next question comes from Edward [Yuma 00:35:02] with [Keating 00:35:03], your line is open.

Edward Yuma: (35:05)
Hey guys, two quick ones for me. I guess first, you made some really strong strides and gains and new customers getting them back to the platform. I guess, what are you doing to kind of ensure that they aren’t just one and done. If it’s either they were buying something COVID-related or buying a video game system for their kids this holiday. And then the follow-up, nice to see the strength of sneakers and watches. I know you guys have like third party authentication services, I believe, what’s the scalability of those solutions as you continue to grow those businesses. Thank you.

Jim: (35:35)
Yeah. So, starting on the buyer ones, we acquired 11 million buyers over the course of the year. And what we’re seeing is that the behavior, when we look at things like frequency and retention is not different, and is as strong as we’ve seen in past cohorts. Which means, they didn’t just come to us for eBay to buy a specific PPE, and then we won’t see them again, we’re doing a good job of turning a percentage of them into enthusiasts. And what we’re really focused on is, how do we turn them into cross-category shoppers? So, as I mentioned in the remarks, a sneaker buyer who comes into eBay, is going to be worth 2,500 … will end up buying $2,500 worth of GMV, but only 20% of that is in sneakers and 80% of that will be in other categories across the site. And that’s a huge advantage for us because the cross category nature that we have of the platform, and it’s also a specific focus and something that we lean into a lot, is driving it. And a lot of that growth is coming from C2C, and is bringing Gen Z and millennials to the platform, which is also critical and part of our strategy.

Jim: (36:36)
In terms of the authentication, we’ve ramped up the amount of authenticating we’re doing, to now, every sneaker over $100 going through the authentication platforms. And we’re seeing great response and great operations there. So, consumers are getting their sneakers really quickly and the authentication process is working. And look, while it’s a very, very small percentage of things that we find where there are issues, that guarantee for customers is a huge differentiator and is it a big part of what’s leading to the triple digit growth. So, we’re leaning in a lot in terms of marketing and acquiring those customers in that category and we’re excited for what we’re seeing.

Edward Yuma: (37:17)
Thank you.

Operator: (37:20)
Our next question comes from Ross Sandler with Barclays, your line is open.

Ross Sandler: (37:26)
Hey guys, just two questions. First, in international, it looks like you had some nice acceleration there. You mentioned Korea, but I would guess that UK and Germany are also accelerating and based on your guidance, it’s probably happening again in one Q. So I guess, can you just walk through how much of that’s like these company specific initiatives, versus just the overall kind of macro situation for like mobility and lockdowns in full Q and one Q. And then, second question is, you mentioned that SEO is growing faster than paid, I think, was the comment, and that was a problem area from like six/seven years ago. So just, I guess, what are you doing that’s new to unlock in SEO and how big could that channel be for you guys on a go-forward basis? Thank you.

Andy: (38:17)
Got it. Hey Ross, I’ll take the first one. On Q4 dynamics and then the international versus US split, it looks like there’s a bit of a difference between US and international growth rates, with the US down eight and international accelerating on a quarter-over-quarter basis. That’s really less of an impact of what we saw in the fourth quarter and more an impact of kind of the unwind of the second quarter spike and how third quarter rates played through. So keep in mind in the US, in the third quarter, the deceleration from Q2 was a little less. So when we look at fourth quarter and how it plays through into the first, it’s really for us more what we’ve seen since September with some acceleration, really in all, basically all countries around the world. And that’s played through to the first quarter, it’s implied in the acceleration you see in our Q1 guidance.

Andy: (39:23)
So clearly, mobility plays a large role in sustaining a level of growth and driving a bit of acceleration. But again, the initiatives we’re working on and the progress we’ve made with regards to product marketing and managed payments and search, contribute as well to the acceleration on a quarter-over-quarter basis. But clearly the majority of that’s going to be mobility-driven, but underlying performance is better.

Jim: (39:54)
Yeah and I say on the SEO, look, there’s a number of things that we’ve been doing in terms of how we structure our listings and work with our content and design those, that actually specifically drives it. There was some Google algorithmic change, which we’ve benefited from. And we’ve been doing some upper funnel, specifically in targeted verticals, which we thinks helps some of our lower funnel activity. I think the important thing to remember is, in general, 80% of our traffic on the site is organic and people coming to us directly. And that’s really, one of the strengths and assets of eBay, but certainly the SEO is helping us with our initiatives to drive cross-category purchase and drive consideration.

Operator: (40:40)
Our next question comes from Collin Sebastian, with [inaudible 00:40:43] your line is open.

Collin Sebastian: (40:46)
All right great, thanks guys. Congrats on the quarter. I’m going to follow up again on cross-marketing, just to understand how new this initiative is, if it’s something you’ve been working on throughout 2020 and if you have any metrics on maybe the number of cross-category purchases. And then secondly, I know there’s some more focus on the competitive landscape, perhaps you guys could comment on how you’re perceiving the landscape with some, call them up and coming marketplaces, that’s across some of your key categories. All right, thanks.

Jim: (41:20)
Yeah. Look on the cross-marketing, I think it’s been important for eBay since I was here the first time. It continues to be a really important thing, when you look at driving the CLTV of our buyers. If I come back to the sneaker example, I talked about the 80% outside the category, and that represents them purchasing in 10 categories outside of that core category. I would even broaden that question to say, we’re really studying a lot, that first kind of 90-day experience for a customer, looking at all the things that drive the retention of them. And so, getting them to download the mobile app, getting them to shop across category, getting them to watch your save items and really driving world bar marketing technology to align to driving the retention, the buyers and that’s why we’re excited to see that.

Jim: (42:07)
A big reason we also focused on C2C selling, is because if we acquire that buyer to come in as a buyer, and then we get them to just do any kind of casual selling, they become two to two and a half times more valuable to us as a buyer. So really that whole kind of introductory lifecycle and being really algorithmic and using our best data science and AI, really working on our marketing technology to be able to leverage that more, is a key focus for us.

Jim: (42:34)
And look, on the competitive landscape, we feel great about our positioning. We significantly improved the NPS of our experiences, especially in those focus verticals that we talked about. And we’re seeing really good feedback from buyers and sellers. And that’s always the leading indicator, is that C-SAT and NPS performance and what’s happening there. And so, that combined with the payment C-SAT stuff we’re seeing, where sellers that are moving to our payments 2.0, our managed payments platform, have a 10 point higher NPS, is making us feel really good about where our competitive positioning is.

Jim: (43:13)
And the last thing I’d say is, just thinking about the scale, right? So we talked about $14 billion GMV that we grew year-on-year last year, that’s more than the last seven years combined. That’s more than most vertical competitors would do in a year, we grew more than that amount. So, being able to leverage those 185 million buyers and have them purchasing cross-category, is a huge and unique asset for eBay.

Collin Sebastian: (43:38)
Great. Thanks, Jim.

Operator: (43:43)
Our next question comes from Stephen [Yu 00:43:45] with [Credited 00:43:46], your line is open.

Joe Billante: (43:48)
Okay thank you. So I think, Jamie previous management teams have talked about looking at managing the amount of page real estate, dedicated to promoted listings for system or legacy forms of advertising. So, are you yet in a place where you’ve had to make those types of trade off decisions in terms of one versus the other? And secondly, you recently announced the roll out of managed payments to both merchants and buyers in China. I think, part of the benefit of working with [inaudible 00:44:21] it’s been, that you could accept different forms of online payment, which you probably couldn’t do before. And this theoretically should help you take down some of the friction against cross- border trade. So, does this help you think about potentially expanding your customer acquisition funnel as well? Thanks.

Jim: (44:38)
So first on the advertising business, feel great about hitting the billion dollar milestone. As we look at a lot of that growth is being driven by the growth of promoted listings. And as we analyze it, we’re seeing better seller penetration of people coming onto the platform, better technology and tools in terms of our ability to do relevance. And we’re not seeing it degrade the buyer experience, which is what gives us comfort that-

Jim: (45:02)
Buyer experience, which is what gives us comfort that, when we look at it in total being 1% of our total GMV, that we have the opportunity to continue to have advertising grow faster than our GMV on the platform, and really based on that strength of promoted listings. On your question on managed payments, absolutely. It’s a huge part of the win is really streamlining the payment process and providing more payment options. Cross border trade for us has always been a great business, a really unique business to eBay, and specifically in the Greater China corridor, and helps us bring on new buyers to the platform in a different type of inventory. So between what we’re doing in terms of speed pack and some of the forward deployed inventory, plus now as we expand payments to Greater China, we think that’ll help a number of the quarters in terms of our cross-border trade business.

Speaker 1: (45:58)
Thank you.

Operator: (46:02)
Our next question comes from Thomas Forte with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Thomas Forte: (46:09)
Great. Thanks for taking my question. So you sort of touched on this in the prepared remarks, but I was hoping you could give a little more of an answer on it. So you’ve made a number of changes to your operating assets over the last 18 months. I wanted to get additional details on your thoughts on your long-term capital allocation strategy, including M&A, buyback and dividend. And on the M&A part, are you looking more for tuck-ins? Or would you be looking for something more of a growth type asset too? Thank you.

Jim: (46:40)
Yeah, there’s really nothing different about our thinking towards capital allocation. Our model gives us the flexibility to both invest back in our business organically and opportunistically to look at M&A, as well as return capital to shareholders. Our business generates a high amount of free cash flow. We have a strong balance sheet. And I think we have a track record of both exercising discipline in our portfolio as well as maximizing value for shareholders. So we’ll continue to look opportunistically at M&A and do so for tech and talent, or areas that we believe are going to accelerate the strategy that we laid out in July. Andy, do you want to add anything to that?

Andy: (47:22)
Yeah. I think the only thing I’d add is, while we do… It’s a pretty active playing field with what’s coming with ECG and the like. I think if you look at historically what we’ve done with StubHub and some of the things in the past, you can expect that we’ll be consistent in what we’ve done. Our tenants and targets are unchanged. And our number one focus is do what we can to invest back in the business, to grow organically. Look at M&A where it helps us to do that, remain committed to shareholder return, and I just expect us to continue to do that.

Thomas Forte: (48:04)
Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator: (48:09)
Our next question comes from Tom Champion with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Tom Champion: (48:15)
Great. Good afternoon. We’ve done survey work here that reflects a rising interest in pre-owned goods among Gen Z and the millennial cohort. And just curious if you’re seeing this trend reflected in your new buyer growth as well, whether you’d kind of agree with that. And then maybe just a second question around advertising, there’re clearly some larger internet platforms saying iOS changes will make small business advertising more difficult and degrade ROI this year. And just curious if you think this represents an opportunity for eBay to step in and offer a solution among SMBs. Thank you.

Jim: (48:56)
Yeah. So first on the Gen Z and millennials, absolutely. It’s a huge area of why we’re focused on pre-owned, not only because of the attractiveness there, but also just the impact on the planet. If you look at the numbers that we talked about from saving 720,000 metric tons of carbon emission. We recently did a survey, probably sounds like much of the survey that you’ve done, and what we saw was that 72% of our sellers that come and start selling on the platform are doing so because they need to earn a little bit of extra money. And some percentage of those are actually because they lost their job and so they’re looking for opportunities on just making money on the platform.

Jim: (49:37)
The other thing that’s important to remember is that we believe that people have about $4,000 of items in their house that they can sell, less than 20% of that is online. And so there’s a huge social element which we’re leaning into as part of that, but definitely a focus on the Gen Z millennials. And you’re seeing that in sneakers, you’re seeing that in what we did with our brand fashion outlet in the UK, and you’ll see us continue to focus on attracting that customer to the platform.

Operator: (50:09)
Your next question comes from Youssef Squali with Truist Securities. Your line is open.

Jim: (50:14)
And before you do, I forgot that I didn’t answer your advertising question. So let me just cover that one real quickly. So look, we believe that ads is beneficial for us because we essentially have a closed platform. We’re able to drive the majority of that growth through promoted listings, where we actually can see the actual relevance, the implications, the click throughs, all of the data that makes that impactful. So yeah, that gives us, I think, a lot of bullishness in terms of the future opportunity for us in advertising, especially since we’re only penetrated at 1% of GMV. And we think there’s opportunities to continue to expand the number of sellers that use the platform, as well as build new capabilities to make that platform even more attractive with some new tools, et cetera, which you’ll see over the coming quarters and coming years.

Youssef Squali: (51:05)
Can you hear me?

Jim: (51:07)
Yep. Go ahead. Sorry about that.

Youssef Squali: (51:08)
Excellent. Hey, no, thanks a lot. Thank you for taking the question. I just had a two-part question. One, if I look at slide six, the GMV breakdown, it looks like US GMV was up 25% a year-on-year, which is pretty impressive. If I look at it on a sequential basis, it was actually slightly down in a seasonally strong quarter. I was wondering if you can expand on that. And then related to that, as I look at your guidance for Q1, what’s baked into your guidance, in terms of the mix between US growth versus international? Thank you.

Andy: (51:45)
Sorry, what was the second?

Jim: (51:45)
The second was just about US versus international for Q1 guidance.

Andy: (51:50)
Yeah, I’ll take that one first. It’s a little similar to the question earlier. Based on the trends we saw in the fourth quarter, the movement in US versus international was relatively similar. So as we look into Q1, what we’ve seen thus far in the quarter and therefore implied in the guide is similar movements by country. So no real difference US and international in terms of quarter-over-quarter dynamics. And then first question, was it US GMV only, the deceleration?

Youssef Squali: (52:26)
Yeah. Yeah. It’s basically showing [crosstalk 00:52:30] on slide six. Yeah. Thanks.

Andy: (52:31)
Sorry, Youssef. That one, I think, again, is less an issue or less component of Q4 activity as much as it is a hangover in Q3 of the spike in Q2. So the US, we had, clearly, a very large volume spike in the second quarter. Volume in the US hung in longer in the third quarter, partially as a result of stimulus, partially as a result of some of the supply chain disruption. And then as that slowed down through the end of the third quarter, some of that’s what you’re seeing play through in the quarter-over-quarter dynamics. But as I said, from September on the activity by country has been relatively similar.

Youssef Squali: (53:19)
Got it. All right. That’s helpful. Thanks, Andy. Thanks, Jamie.

Operator: (53:26)
Our next question comes from Bob Drubel with Guggenheim Securities. Your line is open.

Bob Drubel: (53:32)
Hey, guys. Just a couple of quick questions really. On the 7% increase in buyers, what would you put as the largest factors to the new buyers during this period versus what we’ve seen over the last, I don’t know, nine to 12 months. And I guess the second question is just, are you seeing any change in buy it now versus the auction type buying with the consumer? Thanks.

Jim: (53:56)
Yeah. Sure, Bob. So, look, the increase in buyer is in part doing a lot of the strategic work that we’re doing and the focus verticals. You saw us do more marketing in the quarter, really talking about some of the new capabilities that we have out there. And we leaned in from a re-investment standpoint to not only acquire those buyers, but to really, to work on driving the retention of those buyers into our key platform. So obviously, in a number of countries, it’s also pandemic, related relative to mobility, but we’ve also been leading in to kind of take advantage of that and drive their cohort curves. And we’ve been impressed with what we’ve been seeing from that perspective.

Jim: (54:35)
In terms of the makeup of different formats, buy it now remains the vast majority of what’s on the platform. We do see strength in auctions, in areas like collectibles, which is a category that’s growing strong for us. But not it is buy it now remain strong, but we’ve innovated over the years and things like best offer, and in seller-initiated offers. And seller-initiated offers, as an example, is almost the inverse of best offer. Best offer is the buyer making an offer. Sellers can actually make specific, individual offers to sellers who have interacted with one of their products. And we’re doing $1.2 billion already in that. And it’s one of the unique elements of the eBay platform is auctions, best offers, start initiate offers, are always for buyers and sellers to get to a negotiated price on the platform. But overall, buy it now still remains the vast majority of the business.

Bob Drubel: (55:26)
Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2: (55:27)
Hey, Operator. We have time for one more.

Operator: (55:33)
Our final question will come from Brian Nowak with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Brian Nowak: (55:38)
Thanks for taking my question. I have to just two. The first one, Jamie, I appreciate all the color around the way you’re studying the first 90 days of experience of the consumers and the 80% of the traffic that comes organically. I’d be curious to hear about, in the US, talk to us about what you’ve seen as being the one or two key categories that have been the biggest enablers of the new people who have come to the platform. And how have you seen that change from last spring to now? Which categories are driving the new people to the category? And then secondly, just as we think about the advertising business, just talk to us about, qualitatively, what types of investments you still see yourself needing to make internally to sort of ensure that the advertising business is set up to continue to scale and deliver value for the merchants? Thanks.

Jim: (56:30)
Yeah. So look, the buying behavior that we saw over the course of the year, it started in PPE equipment, then went to stuff that people needed to work from home or stay at home, think fitness equipment and laptops, and that type of thing. But after that, it was really broad based, and continues to be broad based in terms of where we’re acquiring buyers. So from everything from people time in their hobbies and in parts and accessories, or fixing up their cars, to certify and refurbish and what we’re doing there, we’re definitely seeing strength in buyer acquisition in the focus verticals that we’ve been talking about. So like apparel that we worked on in the quarter with the brand fashion outlet and in the areas that we announced in the US and we’ll be expanding globally.

Jim: (57:17)
So more important for us is not only where we acquire them, but getting really smart and using a lot of AI about what’s the best second category, how we’re using all of our tools and capabilities across marketing and the apps and the websites to get them to interact with different parts of the business. And that’s where I think about it just getting a little bit better every single day, and how we’re able to do that is going to be what continues to help drive those numbers. From an ads perspective, we’re focused on the tools and capabilities to make it easier for sellers to use the product, to give them templating and reporting of how it’s doing and be able to have that closed loop ROI on the spend that they have on the platform, to make it more applicable to C2C sellers, and make it really easy there.

Jim: (58:01)
Because obviously, if you think about a sophisticated B2C seller, it’s easier to interact with and much easier to understand an advertising product. So that’s a big component of what we’re doing. And then also just building new algorithms of relevance and machine learning into, are we displaying the best thing to the buyers that we continue to expand the program while not degrading the buying experience, and ideally enhancing the buyer experience through what we’re doing on our advertising products. So what you’ll see is just continued quarter-after-quarter innovation in that product to help us keep the growth and reach the potential of the product and have it continue to outpace GMV for the near and medium term.

Brian Nowak: (58:46)
Great. Thanks Jamie.

Jim: (58:48)

Operator: (58:52)
Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of allotted time for questions and answers, and I’ll turn the call back over to the company for closing remarks.

Andy: (59:01)
I think we’re all set. We can close the call. Thanks for everyone. Thanks everyone.

Operator: (59:07)
This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect.

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