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OH v. Andrew Griffin Day 7

OH v. Andrew Griffin Day 7

The trial of Andrew Griffin who faces charges of aggravated murder, aggravated arson, and aggravated burglary, day seven. Read the transcript here.

The trial of Andrew Griffin who faces charges of aggravated murder, aggravated arson, and aggravated burglary, day seven.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):

Everyone please be seated. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, good morning. Please raise your hand if you had any issues or problems following the orders of this court. No one has raised their hand.

(00:28)
Mr. Vavra, you're still [inaudible 00:00:30] state's case in chief. Are you ready to call your next witness?

Mr. Vavra (00:34):

Yes, Judge. The state calls Ryan Allar. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Ryan Allar (00:54):

I do.

Speaker 1 (00:54):

Detective, do you have any issues being filmed?

Ryan Allar (00:54):

No, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:05):

You may proceed when you're ready.

Mr. Kinsler (01:07):

Thank you, Your Honor. Please state your name for the record.

Ryan Allar (01:10):

My name is Ryan Allar.

Mr. Kinsler (01:11):

Spell your last name.

Ryan Allar (01:12):

A-L-L-A-R.

Mr. Kinsler (01:14):

What do you do, sir?

Ryan Allar (01:16):

The chief of investigations for the Belmont County Sheriff's Office.

Mr. Kinsler (01:19):

How long have you been doing that?

Ryan Allar (01:25):

12, 15 years.

Mr. Kinsler (01:26):

Okay. Is that as chief detective?

Ryan Allar (01:28):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:29):

Okay. How long have you been with Belmont County Sheriff's Office total?

Ryan Allar (01:34):

My entire adult life, since June of '96.

Mr. Kinsler (01:39):

Okay. Fair to say before you were chief detective, you were doing other jobs at the sheriff's office?

Ryan Allar (01:44):

Yes, sir. I started as a dispatcher, worked in the jail, road patrol, regular detective, detective sergeant, then chief detective.

Mr. Kinsler (01:57):

Describe for the-

Ryan Allar (02:47):

Like all police, went through the Basic Police Officers Academy. I've been to various interview and interrogation schools, investigative schools. I've been designated Master Criminal Investigator by the State of Ohio.

Mr. Kinsler (03:07):

Were you involved in the investigation of the deaths of Thomas and Angela Strussion?

Ryan Allar (03:10):

Yes, I was.

Mr. Kinsler (03:12):

When did you first get involved in the case?

Ryan Allar (03:15):

As soon as the call came in, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (03:16):

Okay. What were you doing when the call came in?

Ryan Allar (03:21):

I was on my way to the crime lab to drop off evidence on another matter. I was about an hour outside of Belmont County when I was alerted to the call by Sergeant Blumling.

Mr. Kinsler (03:33):

Okay. You were contacted by Sergeant Blumling?

Ryan Allar (03:36):

Sergeant Blumling advised that he was on scene of a fire that had two fatalities and that it appeared that this was possibly a homicide.

Mr. Kinsler (03:51):

Okay. And where do you go from there?

Ryan Allar (03:55):

I turned around and went directly to the scene.

Mr. Kinsler (03:57):

Okay. What do you find when you get on scene?

Ryan Allar (04:01):

I pull up on the scene. You never know what you're going to get with a crime scene, but I pull up, there's fire trucks. I see the roof's teared off, there's windows and doors smashed. The building was still, the fire was put out, but it was still smoldering a bit.

(04:24)
I went out back, I saw two deceased people. I'd previously checked with Sergeant Blumling about, and this is standard for any type of case like this, we want to get ahold of the BCI to roll crime scene unit our way. We want to make sure the coroner's notified. We want to make sure that the scene's as secure as possible, crime scene tape put up, scene logs being done, and Sergeant Blumling had taken care of all that prior to my arrival.

Mr. Kinsler (04:59):

How many different people are on scene when you first arrive?

Ryan Allar (05:03):

Way too many.

Mr. Kinsler (05:04):

Okay. What is way too many? Is that greater or less than 10?

Ryan Allar (05:07):

Greater than 10.

Mr. Kinsler (05:08):

Greater or less than 20?

Ryan Allar (05:16):

There was around 20 people there, absolutely.

Mr. Kinsler (05:18):

Okay. That includes fire department?

Ryan Allar (05:21):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (05:22):

That includes Belmont County Sheriff's Office?

Ryan Allar (05:25):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (05:26):

It includes people from the Belmont County Coroner's Office?

Ryan Allar (05:29):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (05:29):

Any other agencies that you know of that were on scene?

Ryan Allar (05:33):

I had called Special Agent Lacy, who we heard from earlier in this case. He was our local FBI agent, and we worked very well together. I called and told him that we had a homicide that looked like it was going to be fairly complicated, and he had responded as well.

Mr. Kinsler (06:01):

Okay. You indicated the condition of the home, and I think you described the roof. Did you eventually go in the home?

Ryan Allar (06:08):

Yes, sir, I did.

Mr. Kinsler (06:09):

Okay. What did you find of interest when you entered the home?

Ryan Allar (06:15):

Well, walked in the living room first. We saw two areas where it appeared that there had been some pools of blood and that bodies had been drug through that outside, which is consistent with what we saw with the bodies on the back porch.

(06:36)
Looking inside the residence, plastic things hanging on the wall, what had melted, and talking with the fire marshals there after they had processed their scene, they advised that this fire had burned for quite some time and had been very hot but didn't engulf the entire house. It kind of smoldered all night long.

(07:06)
Going on through the house, I saw various drawers and cabinets opened, which suggested to me that somebody was looking for something or wanting it to appear that they were looking for something.

Mr. Kinsler (07:21):

Did you observe any signs of forced entry?

Ryan Allar (07:24):

No, sir. I did not. After checking with the first responders and asking how they found the residence prior to going in and breaking windows and doors, I was advised that all the doors of the house were locked except for the rear door that led all to the area where the bodies were moved to.

Mr. Kinsler (07:48):

I guess I should ask the question a little differently, but am I correct that there was evidence that a window upstairs had been broken?

Ryan Allar (07:55):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (07:56):

There's evidence that a window on the first floor on the front of the house to the left of the front door had either been opened or broken. Is that correct?

Ryan Allar (08:03):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (08:03):

And then there was evidence that a window right next to the front door had been smashed. Is that also correct?

Ryan Allar (08:09):

You are correct.

Mr. Kinsler (08:10):

But all of those things were explained by interventions by first responders?

Ryan Allar (08:14):

Yes. In a perfect world with a crime like this, it'd be great if nobody would go into a scene or disturb a scene. Fortunately, with the place on fire and not knowing who was in there, these people did absolutely the right thing. You got to try to preserve life first. Everything else is a distant second.

Mr. Kinsler (08:39):

Your Honor, I'd like to show the witness State's Exhibit 135 KKKK. Matt Austin testified it's a photo of the crime scene.

Mr. Shamansky (08:46):

No problem, Your Honor.

Speaker 1 (08:48):

All right, you may proceed.

Mr. Kinsler (09:01):

Do you recognize the State's Exhibit 135 KKKK?

Ryan Allar (09:06):

I do, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (09:07):

And what are we looking at?

Ryan Allar (09:08):

I believe this is the living room. You look at a couch and a doorframe.

Mr. Kinsler (09:25):

This is the rear door, is that correct?

Ryan Allar (09:27):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (09:28):

Is there any evidence that that door had been forced open?

Ryan Allar (09:30):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (09:30):

I'm going to show the witness what's been marked as State's Exhibit 135 LLLL. It's another photo testified to by Matt Austin of the crime scene.

Speaker 1 (09:40):

Mr. Shamansky?

Mr. Shamansky (09:42):

No objection, Your Honor. One second. [inaudible 00:09:45]. Your Honor, no objection to any of these photos that Mr. Kinsler wishes to present.

Speaker 1 (09:57):

Okay, but do you have a list of them?

Mr. Kinsler (09:58):

Well, there's several photos from the crime scene that I intend to show. We just looked at 135 KKKK, 135 LLLL, 135 MMM, and 135, I believe it's quadruple F, 135 J, G, excuse me, GGGG. The next series of photos that I want to show, those are all taken by Matt Austin, previously testified by Matt Austin as scenes taken at the scene of the crime.

Mr. Shamansky (10:41):

And we have no objection to the publishing of these photos.

Speaker 1 (10:45):

All right. Thank you. You may proceed, Mr. Kinsler.

Mr. Kinsler (10:48):

So I want to show you what's been marked as State's Exhibit 135 LLLL. Do you recognize this item?

Ryan Allar (11:07):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (11:08):

And what are we looking at here?

Ryan Allar (11:10):

I believe this is the front door.

Mr. Kinsler (11:13):

And if I point out to you this area here, what is that?

Ryan Allar (11:24):

It's a decorative window that was to the side of the door. It appears it's been broken either to vent or to assist gain access to the residence.

Mr. Kinsler (11:36):

And that was something you understood firefighters to have done?

Ryan Allar (11:39):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (11:50):

Okay. What else did you observe inside the house? I think you stated in the living room you found blood on the floor and drag marks corresponding to the bodies. Did you find anything else of interest in the living room?

Ryan Allar (12:08):

The living room where the bodies had been found by first responders, it had two couches. One was almost totally destroyed by fire, and the other, there was a cell phone, a vape, and a Michelob ULTRA sitting on the stand next to it in a blanket, and that's where Angela was found by the first responders.

(12:42)
That led us to believe that that's something you would find in anybody's home if they were sitting on the couch and watching TV. It kind of helped us frame what was going on with these individuals before the murder.

Mr. Kinsler (12:59):

The fact that the couch, end table next to the couch has, I think you said Angela's phone, a vape, I think an open can of beer, does that suggest something to you about where she was?

Ryan Allar (13:13):

Yes, sir. That'd be consistent with where she was found by the first responders that she was sitting on the couch or very near the couch that did not catch on fire.

Mr. Kinsler (13:27):

I'm going to show you what's been marked as State's Exhibit 135 MMM. Do you recognize this document?

Ryan Allar (13:53):

I do, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (13:54):

And what are we looking at here?

Ryan Allar (13:56):

We're looking at burned or partially burned cash money.

Mr. Kinsler (14:03):

Okay. And obviously this wasn't taken by anybody from the scene?

Ryan Allar (14:09):

It was taken into evidence.

Mr. Kinsler (14:12):

Prior to your arrival at scene, whoever did this didn't steal that money?

Ryan Allar (14:15):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (14:15):

All right. Do you have any idea why?

Ryan Allar (14:19):

I would believe that-

Mr. Shamansky (14:20):

Object as to beliefs, Your Honor.

Speaker 1 (14:25):

Your response?

Mr. Kinsler (14:25):

I'll withdraw the question.

Speaker 1 (14:26):

All right.

Mr. Kinsler (14:28):

Did you have an understanding where Tom's body was found in this scene?

Ryan Allar (14:32):

Yes, sir. Right here in this pile of debris.

Mr. Kinsler (14:37):

And you've pointed out the money. There's also feathers present here, is that correct?

Ryan Allar (14:41):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (14:41):

And Item Number 3, do you know what that is?

Ryan Allar (14:45):

The remnants of Tom Strussion's wallet.

Mr. Kinsler (14:48):

Well, is that over here near Item Number 1? And I wanted to ask you about Item Number 3, particularly this blue item.

Ryan Allar (14:57):

Excuse me, you're correct, sir. This appears to be debris left over from clothing of Tom Strussion.

Mr. Kinsler (15:13):

Okay. I'm going to show you what's been marked as State's Exhibit 135 FFFF. Do you recognize this item?

Ryan Allar (15:24):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (15:25):

And what is this?

Ryan Allar (15:25):

This appears to be a melted projectile, a fragment from a bullet.

Mr. Kinsler (15:35):

And do you recall where those were recovered?

Ryan Allar (15:37):

In that pile of debris from where Tom Strussion's body was found.

Mr. Kinsler (15:40):

Okay. Show you what's been marked as State's 135 GGGG, four Gs. Do you recognize that item?

Ryan Allar (15:51):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (15:52):

And what is that?

Ryan Allar (15:54):

Appears to be another fragment of a projectile.

Mr. Kinsler (16:01):

Anything remarkable to you about these projectiles?

Ryan Allar (16:06):

They appear to have been affected by heat.

Mr. Kinsler (16:15):

Outside the house, am I correct that a glove was also located?

Ryan Allar (16:19):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (16:20):

Okay. What do you recall about that glove?

Ryan Allar (16:23):

I was alerted when it was discovered. I made sure it was collected as evidence, made note to where it was.

Mr. Kinsler (16:31):

And where was it?

Ryan Allar (16:33):

It was outside of the crime scene, down the road, a bit off the side of the road.

Mr. Kinsler (16:38):

What kind of glove was it?

Ryan Allar (16:40):

It was a latex glove that was consistent with the gloves that we all carry, the firefighters, first responders.

Mr. Kinsler (16:51):

And you said you collected that as evidence. Did you do anything with it from there?

Ryan Allar (16:55):

We submitted to the lab, though we didn't put a lot of hope in that being involved in this matter. Unfortunately, I think what we had was a litterbug who was a first responder as well.

Mr. Kinsler (17:12):

Okay. So independent of its location, you didn't find any connection between that glove and the actual homicides?

Ryan Allar (17:19):

No, sir. I did not.

Mr. Kinsler (17:22):

Subsequent to the crime scene, did you attend the autopsies?

Ryan Allar (17:25):

I did.

Mr. Kinsler (17:26):

Okay. And why did you do that?

Ryan Allar (17:30):

It's a good practice for investigators to attend the autopsy of the people that they're working a case for. It's one thing to read a report or even get a phone call from the coroner describing what they did. It's another to actually be there and have the coroner show you directly what he's talking about and why. So as a practice, a detective always attends an autopsy on any type of questionable death or outright homicide.

Mr. Kinsler (18:08):

As part of your participation in that autopsy, did you collect property from Dr. Lee?

Ryan Allar (18:13):

Yes, sir. I did.

Mr. Kinsler (18:13):

Okay. I think we heard testimony from him as to State's Exhibit 62 through 75. Would you have been the person that would've collected those from him?

Ryan Allar (18:23):

Yes, sir. I was.

Mr. Kinsler (18:24):

Okay. I'd also like to show the witness two photos from the, actually, five photos from the autopsy, State's Exhibit 132 I, 132 J.

Mr. Shamansky (18:39):

No objection, Your Honor.

Mr. Kinsler (18:40):

133 D and E and F. These are all photographs of projectiles.

Speaker 1 (18:46):

And Mr. Shamansky, to all of those?

Mr. Shamansky (18:48):

No objection, sir. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (18:51):

All right. Mr. Kinsler, you may proceed.

Mr. Kinsler (18:52):

Thank you, Your Honor. State's Exhibit 132 I, do you recognize that item?

Ryan Allar (19:11):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (19:12):

And what are we looking at?

Ryan Allar (19:13):

It's a recovered projectile from the autopsy.

Mr. Kinsler (19:16):

Okay. And I think we had testimony that this actually came from Tom's autopsy. Anything remarkable about that projectile?

Ryan Allar (19:29):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (19:30):

And State's 132 J, do you recognize that item?

Ryan Allar (19:42):

It's another projectile, sir, recovered during the autopsy.

Mr. Kinsler (19:46):

And is there anything remarkable about that projectile?

Ryan Allar (19:49):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (21:02):

I'm going to show you some photos from Angela Strussion's autopsy, 133 D, 133 E, and 133 F.

Mr. Shamansky (21:10):

No objection, Your Honor.

Speaker 1 (21:12):

You may proceed.

Mr. Kinsler (21:23):

133 D, what are we looking at here?

Ryan Allar (21:26):

Projectiles recovered from the autopsy.

Mr. Kinsler (21:29):

Anything remarkable about those?

Ryan Allar (21:33):

Just they appear to be consistent with all the other projectiles collected, suggesting that it was the same caliber, same type of weapon used in both homicides.

Mr. Kinsler (21:47):

I'm sorry. I'm going to show you 133 E as well. And do you recognize that item?

Ryan Allar (21:55):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (21:56):

And what are we looking at there?

Ryan Allar (21:58):

A projectile recovered from the autopsy.

Mr. Kinsler (22:01):

And is there anything remarkable about it?

Ryan Allar (22:05):

As the other pictures you showed me, it's consistent with the same type of caliber used. It appears to be a 22.

Mr. Kinsler (22:14):

Why would you say a 22?

Ryan Allar (22:17):

It's a small caliber of projectile. The most common small caliber projectile in the world is a 22.

Mr. Kinsler (22:28):

State's Exhibit 133 F, what are we looking at here?

Ryan Allar (22:34):

Fragments of projectiles recovered from the autopsy.

Mr. Kinsler (22:36):

And anything remarkable about this projectile?

Ryan Allar (22:43):

These don't appear to be in as good a shape as the other ones, but what is there is consistent with the other projectiles recovered.

Mr. Kinsler (22:56):

So in the early days of the investigation, I guess let's say the first three days, you've responded to the scene, you've gone to both Tom and Angela's autopsies, which take place in the following days. Where does the investigation go from there?

Ryan Allar (23:10):

Well, at the conclusion of the autopsy, we had recovered some evidence. We learned a couple things. We learned that Angela had died fairly quickly. We learned that Tom did not. Tom was shot and had been alive for a period of time prior to him being executed.

(23:34)
So we take a look at the scene and we try to come up with some investigative evidence, why are these people dead? It could be a multitude of things. And at that point, we started to get a lot of tips, a lot of rumors, a lot of subjecture. We had to run every single one of those leads down.

Mr. Kinsler (23:57):

In this early stage of the investigation, did you look into Mr. Griffin?

Ryan Allar (24:00):

Yes, sir, we did.

Mr. Kinsler (24:02):

And why would you have looked into him?

Ryan Allar (24:04):

As looking into any possible suspect, we were advised that Mr. Griffin was a business partner with obstructions and that there had been a falling out between the two a couple months, weeks prior to the incident.

Mr. Kinsler (24:19):

Did you yield any incriminating information at that time as to Mr. Griffin?

Ryan Allar (24:25):

At that time, no. We had subpoenaed his phone records, GPS coordinates right off the bat. So he was in the first group of people we did that with, and we did a social media search, and we saw that he had been actively posting on Snapchat and that his phone was in Oklahoma and moving around. So at that point, we put him on the bottom of our pile, so to speak, and moved on to what we thought at the time were more viable investigative avenues.

Mr. Kinsler (25:07):

And then later in the investigation, does he move up from the bottom of the pile?

Ryan Allar (25:12):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (25:14):

Okay. How does that come to pass?

Ryan Allar (25:17):

Well, we spent a great deal of time basically going nowhere on this matter. Nothing we looked into gained any traction, and we got down to the bottom of the pile. It started with me reaching out to Mr. Griffin.

(25:35)
I called the defendant, inquired if he would speak to us. None of those calls were ever returned. As time went on, I got a little curious about that, so I had Detective Sergeant Blumling do a fresh search warrant for the defendant's cell phone records. I saw that immediately after I would call him, he would place a call to a local attorney.

Mr. Kinsler (26:12):

And throughout this time, would he call you back?

Ryan Allar (26:15):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (26:19):

From there, what do you do?

Ryan Allar (26:23):

At this time I decided, "Hey, I'm just going to go to Oklahoma." And I left voice messages and text messages with the defendant. I believe the last message I left was that, "Hey, I'm just going to come knock on your door. Please get ahold of me and we can make arrangements, but I'm coming out there." And that was around the time that we were informed that the defendant had come up missing.

Mr. Kinsler (27:01):

Did you wind up going to Oklahoma?

Ryan Allar (27:04):

Yes, sir, I did.

Mr. Kinsler (27:06):

Okay. And what do you do there?

Ryan Allar (27:10):

I had met with the sheriff's office that was investigating the disappearance of the defendant, and through those meetings, I was given a list of names of people that they had been working with and discussing the defendant's appearance with. And on that trip I met with Justin Monroe who we heard from, the defendant's estranged wife, Stacey Griffin, and several other people.

Mr. Kinsler (27:48):

All right. And from there, do you make a trip to Texas?

Ryan Allar (27:56):

Yes, sir. That first trip was in late July. We're in October now.

Mr. Kinsler (28:06):

What year?

Ryan Allar (28:07):

Very good question. '23, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (28:15):

What is your purpose in going to Texas?

Ryan Allar (28:21):

Prior to the first time we were in Oklahoma and in between us going to Texas, we were actively looking for the defendant. Myself and Agent Lacy with the FBI, we had located the defendant through his family's phone records and found that he was in Costa Rica.

(28:43)
And once we cracked the apps he was using to conceal his phone number, we were actually tracking his phone in Costa Rica, and we're waiting for a federal warrant to arrest him based off of some local charges that he had that were unrelated to our investigation.

(29:06)
So we were very near to doing that, and we got a call that the defendant had flown back to America and was arrested in Texas on unrelated charges to this case. So-

Mr. Kinsler (29:22):

At that point, do you go to Texas?

Ryan Allar (29:24):

Yes, sir. I hopped on a plane immediately after receiving the call.

Mr. Kinsler (29:29):

And do you meet with the defendant and collect his DNA?

Ryan Allar (29:34):

I do, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (29:38):

Okay. I want to show you... May I approach the witness, Your Honor?

Speaker 1 (29:40):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (29:52):

I'm going to show you what's been marked as State's Exhibits 107 and 108. [inaudible 00:29:54]. Do you recognize State's Exhibit 107 and 108?

Ryan Allar (30:20):

I do, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (30:20):

And what are they?

Ryan Allar (30:23):

They are two separate known DNA standards of the defendant.

Mr. Kinsler (30:28):

Okay. Did you collect those at that time?

Ryan Allar (30:30):

I did.

Mr. Kinsler (30:32):

Okay. What did you observe of the defendant when you did that?

Ryan Allar (30:37):

Every jail is a little different. I was a little surprised with this one because when I came there, they just took me back on the floor with all the inmates. Mr. Griffin was there and I told him I was collecting his DNA. He came out, he was clutching a Bible, sweating profusely. I took his DNA sample and then traveled back to Ohio.

Mr. Kinsler (31:13):

After returning from this first trip to Texas, did you make another trip to Oklahoma?

Ryan Allar (31:19):

Yes, sir. I did.

Mr. Kinsler (31:21):

While you were out there, did you meet with Stacey Griffin?

Ryan Allar (31:26):

Yes, sir, I did.

Mr. Kinsler (31:27):

And at that time, did you collect any property from her?

Ryan Allar (31:30):

On that trip, this would be the second trip that we took to Oklahoma, is when I was given the tracking device that was named Tom and the cell phone that we found to belong to Brett Cole.

Mr. Kinsler (31:48):

Your Honor, may I approach? I intend to show him State's Exhibit 110 and 111.

Speaker 1 (31:53):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (31:54):

110 being the Tracki and 111 being the phone. [inaudible 00:32:09]. Show you what's been marked as State's Exhibit 110.

Ryan Allar (32:24):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (32:26):

What is that item?

Ryan Allar (32:29):

This is a Tracki GPS device recovered by myself during the second trip to Oklahoma from Stacey Griffin.

Mr. Kinsler (32:42):

What'd you then do with that device or related to that device?

Ryan Allar (32:50):

Once we returned to Belmont County I turned this over to Detective Sergeant Blumling who was very good with this sort of thing, and he engaged the company, hit them with subpoenas and search warrants and was given information from them that we heard from earlier in this case that this tracking device recovered from Oklahoma was designated Tom and had been tracking Tom Strussion prior to the murders.

Mr. Kinsler (33:26):

In fact, is that tracking data from May of 2021?

Ryan Allar (33:31):

Yes, sir, it is.

Mr. Kinsler (33:32):

Okay. So several months before the murders, is that correct?

Ryan Allar (33:34):

Correct.

Mr. Kinsler (33:36):

And I asked you about State's Exhibit 111, but I think, and I don't have it here, but I think Brett Cole testified to State's Exhibit 111, his phone, is that correct?

Ryan Allar (33:46):

Yes, sir. He did.

Mr. Kinsler (33:47):

Okay. You collected that from Stacey at that time, and that was, I think, your second trip to Oklahoma?

Ryan Allar (33:54):

You're correct, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (33:55):

Do you recall when the second trip to Oklahoma took place?

Ryan Allar (33:59):

It was November of '23 of-

Ryan Allar (34:00):

... November of '23. Third week of November, I believe it was the 22nd, around there.

Mr. Kinsler (34:09):

Okay. Subsequent to this second trip to Oklahoma, did you have a break in the case coming from FBI analyst Brian Warcholak?

Ryan Allar (34:22):

Yes, sir, we did.

Mr. Kinsler (34:23):

Explain to the jury how you became aware of that.

Ryan Allar (34:27):

From previous trips to Oklahoma, we had learned that the defendant's best friend was a Brett Cole. We had ascertained what Mr. Cole's phone number is and added that to our search as we searched the tower dump. And just to remind everybody, I know we heard previous testimony about this, when we have a critical incident like this, especially nowadays, one of the first things we do is subpoena the phone companies for the tower data for every phone that touched it from a period of time. And especially this case where the interstate was literally in these people's backyard, there was quite a lot, thousands and thousands and thousands of phone numbers. So what was very handy to us in this investigation was having somebody like Mr. Warcholak that could help dig through all that data and find what's relevant and what's not.

(35:41)
So once Mr. Warcholak looked at a number that just kind of didn't belong, he took some further steps and was seeing if that number had contacted any of the various numbers that we had designated to people involved in this case. And he had found that a number associated with our case that belonged to Brett Cole had been called by an unknown Tracfone number that was at our scene during our time of our murder.

Mr. Kinsler (36:24):

So once you have that number, that information from Brian Warcholak, what do you do with it?

Ryan Allar (36:35):

We sent civil process warrants to the provider for that number for various different reasons. One, we're trying to figure out whose phone is it? We're trying to figure out where did the phone come... Where did the phone go? We knew it was on our tower dump. We knew when it was hitting off that tower, but where was it hitting before that? Where was it hitting afterwards?

(37:04)
So we learned that the phone in question was purchased on the 19th of September 2021, and it had been registered to a James Joby of Jackson, Tennessee, and an address was given. And this was purchased in Marion, Illinois. And when it was activated in Marion, Illinois on the 19th, it traveled to Belmont County and it stayed in the area of the Strussion's residence until around 11:30 the night of the murders, the 20th of September. And then that phone headed west. Left Belmont County, headed towards Oklahoma where it eventually called Brett Cole and then was shut off and never used again.

Mr. Kinsler (38:09):

Do you make a trip to Illinois?

Ryan Allar (38:12):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (38:13):

Okay. Why go to Illinois?

Ryan Allar (38:16):

Well, as I said before, sir, we knew that this phone was activated, drove to Belmont County, spent some time here during the time of the murders, and then went west towards Oklahoma. So even though it had been a couple years had passed and the chances of us finding any type of traffic cams were extremely unlikely, we had to try. So by looking at those records, we would see that anytime the phone stopped for any amount of time, more than two or three minutes, we were hoping this was a gas stop. So I began traveling the route and anywhere where the phone stopped for longer than that time period, I would get off the nearest exit, take a look around what's here. If there's gas stations, there's businesses with cameras, I would go in and inquire with the staff, "Hey, you guys got cameras going back a couple years." Unfortunately, although a lot of people spent a lot of time trying to help us, nothing really came of it.

(39:33)
When I got to Marion, Illinois, this Walmart is in a pretty business rich environment, like pretty much any Walmart. There's businesses everywhere. I saw that there was traffic cams. Unfortunately, the PD that handled those did not keep any data. Walmart didn't keep data that long. No one did, but we made the effort.

Mr. Kinsler (40:00):

And since we're on the subject of video, did you also attempt to make efforts to find video around the Strussion's home?

Ryan Allar (40:09):

Oh, yes. That was one of the first things we did is went door to door of everybody in the area, every business in the area, got surveillance footage of anything anybody had. Unfortunately, there was nothing of any use.

Mr. Kinsler (40:31):

In fact, did the Strussions have surveillance video in their home?

Ryan Allar (40:36):

Unfortunately, they had a brand-new surveillance system still in the box on their kitchen table. They had not installed it.

Mr. Kinsler (40:45):

Okay. So you're mentioning this trip to Illinois, and you look for video there, correct?

Ryan Allar (40:52):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (40:53):

You made numerous trips to Oklahoma in this case?

Ryan Allar (40:56):

Numerous.

Mr. Kinsler (40:57):

You made at least a few trips to Texas, correct?

Ryan Allar (41:01):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (41:01):

Okay. In those various trips out there, do you drive or do you fly?

Ryan Allar (41:07):

Most of the time I drive myself. That way I could further research these stops and whatnot, and I just don't like to fly, to be honest with you. But I flew on several occasions as well.

Mr. Kinsler (41:28):

And on these trips to Oklahoma or Texas for this case, did you do this sort of canvas for video?

Ryan Allar (41:37):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (41:38):

And did you do it both on the route the phone took from Illinois to Belmont County as well as from Belmont County to its termination in Arkansas?

Ryan Allar (41:47):

Several times, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (41:48):

Okay. Do you have any idea how many places you stopped?

Ryan Allar (41:54):

No. It was a great, great deal of gas stations, businesses, things of that nature.

Mr. Kinsler (42:03):

Do you recall when you first heard from analyst Brian Warcholak about this phone number? Do you recall what the month was?

Ryan Allar (42:12):

I do. Just one moment, please. It was 4/4/24, April 4th, 2024.

Mr. Kinsler (42:23):

Okay. So we're two years and... or almost two and a half years from the date of the murder?

Ryan Allar (42:31):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (42:41):

Did you get subscriber information for that phone?

Ryan Allar (42:44):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (42:44):

Do you remember who the name was on that phone?

Ryan Allar (42:47):

James Joby.

Mr. Kinsler (42:48):

Okay. Do you remember also there was testimony about an address in Knoxville?

Ryan Allar (42:53):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (42:54):

Did you go there?

Ryan Allar (42:54):

I did.

Mr. Kinsler (42:55):

What did you find when you went to Knoxville?

Ryan Allar (42:57):

No James Joby.

Mr. Kinsler (42:58):

Okay. Did you canvas there?

Ryan Allar (43:00):

I did. Okay. That address is a duplex. I talked to the owner of the duplex, make sure, did you ever have a James Joby renting from you? I talked to the neighbors, and no one had ever heard of that name.

Mr. Kinsler (43:22):

When you get to Walmart in Marion, Illinois, do you recover anything there? Do you get anything from Walmart?

Ryan Allar (43:30):

Yes. We had gotten a receipt from them for the purchase of the phone in question, and when we had the receipt, there was another item purchased when the phone was purchased, and that was the power bank charger we had discussed previously.

Mr. Kinsler (44:02):

What did you do with that information that there was a power bank purchased at the same time as the phone?

Ryan Allar (44:07):

I had contacted Stacy Griffin and requested that she keep an eye out for any type of old chargers or whatnot and get ahold of me if she had found any.

Mr. Kinsler (44:24):

And did you hear back from Stacy?

Ryan Allar (44:26):

I did.

Mr. Kinsler (44:26):

And how long did it take to hear back from Stacy?

Ryan Allar (44:28):

I'd say less than an hour.

Mr. Kinsler (44:31):

Okay. And did she send you anything?

Ryan Allar (44:33):

She sent me several pictures of old chargers, and one of those was the exact charger we were looking for, same model number, same charger.

Mr. Kinsler (44:45):

And do you later collect that item from her?

Ryan Allar (44:48):

Yes, I was actually on my way. After I left Marion, Illinois, I continued on to Oklahoma to further investigate this case and obtained that from her during that trip.

Mr. Kinsler (45:00):

And this trip, I believe this is your third trip to Oklahoma, is that right?

Ryan Allar (45:04):

Correct, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (45:04):

And what month and year is this taking place?

Ryan Allar (45:11):

Oklahoma three was late July 2024. July 22nd is when we arrived.

Mr. Kinsler (45:18):

At that time, we've heard previous testimony about a wiretap on the defendant's phone.

Ryan Allar (45:22):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (45:23):

And is that happening at this time?

Ryan Allar (45:25):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (45:26):

Okay. And what do you do when you go to Oklahoma from Marion?

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Ryan Allar (45:35):

The first stop we made was the Muscogee County Jail to attempt to interview Brett Cole.

Mr. Kinsler (45:45):

And we've heard about this conversation. Is this when Brett says, "I don't know nothing. I want to talk to a lawyer."

Ryan Allar (45:51):

Yes, sir, it is.

Mr. Kinsler (45:52):

Did Brett Cole give you useful information at that time?

Ryan Allar (45:55):

At that point, no.

Mr. Kinsler (46:06):

On that trip, did you speak to Arthur Cole?

Ryan Allar (46:11):

Yes, I did.

Mr. Kinsler (46:12):

Did you speak to Colton Carr?

Ryan Allar (46:14):

I did.

Mr. Kinsler (46:15):

Did you speak to Amy Chase?

Ryan Allar (46:16):

I did.

Mr. Kinsler (46:17):

Okay. Did you speak to Dalton Ray?

Ryan Allar (46:21):

I did.

Mr. Kinsler (46:22):

And on that trip, did you also go see Corey White?

Ryan Allar (46:26):

I did.

Mr. Kinsler (46:27):

And where is Corey White?

Ryan Allar (46:30):

Corey White was about three hours south of the areas I was at in Texas.

Mr. Kinsler (46:37):

Why were you interested in talking to Corey White?

Ryan Allar (46:40):

Well, while we were out there, we had, from these interviews we did, we heard more about this motorcycle that was used in this case, and we wanted to try to find out as much as possible. When we had the information that Brett Cole had purchased this motorcycle for the defendant, we had previously gotten Brett Cole's Facebook records, so there was a lot of messages that Brett Cole sent on Facebook, and inside that, once we got this information about this motorcycle, we were able to find some Facebook messages on Marketplace between Brett Cole and Mr. White about purchasing the bike.

Mr. Kinsler (47:41):

Okay. And you do go meet with Mr. White in Texas?

Ryan Allar (47:43):

I do.

Mr. Kinsler (47:44):

Okay. Did you collect anything from him there?

Ryan Allar (47:46):

Yes. Mr. White had several photos that he had taken of the transaction, the motorcycle that we saw earlier in this trial.

Mr. Kinsler (47:59):

I'd like to show the witness State's Exhibit 145, previously testified by Corey White.

Mr. Shamansky (48:06):

No objection, Your Honor.

Judge (48:07):

You may proceed.

Mr. Shamansky (48:16):

Judge, this whole series of motorcycle-related photos and documents, we have no objection to being published to the jury.

Judge (48:21):

Thank you.

Mr. Kinsler (48:34):

State's Exhibit 145, do you recognize that?

Ryan Allar (48:38):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (48:40):

And what are we looking at?

Ryan Allar (48:42):

This is the motorcycle in question that was-

Mr. Kinsler (48:45):

And who gave you this photo?

Ryan Allar (48:48):

Mr. White did, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (48:49):

Okay. Were these photos he took before the sale?

Ryan Allar (48:54):

Yes. He advised that this was right before the sale because he had cleaned the bike up prior to purchase.

Mr. Kinsler (49:04):

Okay. And then did he also give you photographs from the actual sale?

Ryan Allar (49:08):

Yes, he did.

Mr. Kinsler (49:10):

I'm going to show the witness State's Exhibit 146. I'm sorry. I'm going to show the witness State's Exhibit 146. You mentioned that you had Facebook information on Mr. Cole, is that correct?

Ryan Allar (49:44):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shamansky (50:07):

No objection to this Facebook information, Your Honor.

Judge (50:09):

Thank you.

Mr. Kinsler (50:18):

State's Exhibit 146 is a PDF that is five pages long. Do you recognize this?

Ryan Allar (50:30):

I do, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (50:31):

What are we looking at?

Ryan Allar (50:32):

We're looking at the Facebook marketplace messages between Brett Cole and Mr. White.

Mr. Kinsler (50:42):

And you were aware of this before you ever go to Texas to go meet Mr. Cole or Mr. White, correct?

Ryan Allar (50:49):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (51:25):

Let's show the witness what's been marked as State's Exhibit 146A.

Mr. Shamansky (51:29):

No objection, Your Honor.

Mr. Kinsler (51:38):

Do you recognize this?

Ryan Allar (51:39):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (51:40):

And is this one of the photos that Mr. White gave you?

Ryan Allar (51:44):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (51:44):

Okay. On this trip to Oklahoma that we're talking about, I believe your third, well, from July of 2024, did you also try to contact Mr. Broadwater?

Ryan Allar (52:04):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (52:05):

And did you do so?

Ryan Allar (52:08):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (52:09):

And did you wind up talking to him?

Ryan Allar (52:12):

Yeah. The first stop was his residence in Oklahoma. Then while I was in Texas, he had a residence there. I stopped there, and finally got ahold of him on the telephone, and it turns out he's actually in this area near Pittsburgh working. So as soon as I returned from Oklahoma, I met with Mr. Broadwater.

Mr. Kinsler (52:42):

Okay. And you mentioned that, or you testified that the wiretap on the defendant's phone was going on at this time on this trip?

Ryan Allar (52:51):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (52:54):

Okay. And did you hear the... Well, we played calls from that wiretap during this trial, correct?

Ryan Allar (52:58):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (52:59):

And you heard those while they're being played here in court?

Ryan Allar (53:02):

I did.

Mr. Kinsler (53:02):

Okay. At the time when they actually took place, July 2024, did you have cause to take action based on what you heard in those calls?

Ryan Allar (53:11):

Yes. Unfortunately, while we were out there, we had met Mr. Griffin and that seemed to poke the bear so to speak on these wiretaps, and Mr. Griffin, the defendant, started making various threats against the life of Stacy Griffin, so we had to reach out to authorities down there to warn them that these threats had been made as well as advised Mrs. Griffin that some threats had been made against her. We didn't tell her that we were listening to the wiretaps. We told her we had received information that the defendant had made various statements about ending your life.

Mr. Kinsler (54:03):

Now, at some juncture... We've talked about video. Did you make efforts to find license plate reader photos or videos or anything of that nature?

Ryan Allar (54:13):

Absolutely. In looking at the records from the murder phone, it absolutely had to be at certain places at certain times. It's a good idea in any investigation when you're looking at times to give yourself a little buffer or a little window, but with the way things are nowadays with the satellites and the computers, time is usually pretty close. If it says it's noon, it's pretty much noon, but we started to look at places that absolutely should have recorded something. We get into the bridge we talked about in particular. We knew that by this information with that phone and learning that a motorcycle was used to bump here, we knew that there should be a picture there.

(55:24)
So we sent subpoenas and search warrants to that company asking, " Hey, can you just give us all your video from this time period?" And as we heard, they did. There wasn't anything of use there. And later, we were lucky that someone decided to go the extra mile and found the video that we were looking for of the motorcycle traveling across that bridge at the same time that phone used in the murders was also traveling across that bridge.

Mr. Kinsler (56:03):

I'd like to show the witness State's Exhibit 142, page 11. It's Brian Lacey's report that he testified to.

Mr. Shamansky (56:12):

No objection, Your Honor.

Judge (56:13):

You may proceed.

Mr. Kinsler (56:24):

You testified to this that you know the phone that was bought in Marion, Illinois, that traveled to Belmont and then traveled back in the direction of Oklahoma, you know it crossed the Ohio River at about 10:52:09, correct?

Ryan Allar (56:40):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (56:41):

And that is because we had, once you learned of the phone, you got cell tower location data for that phone, is that right?

Ryan Allar (56:49):

Yes, sir. Okay.

Mr. Kinsler (56:51):

And specifically we're talking about the AT&T phone 865-566-4775, is that right?

Ryan Allar (56:57):

Yes, sir. As I said before, we knew that this picture should exist and not being able to find it, we're trying to figure this out. How's this possible? And so, we went here in person and we were looking like, "Hey, is there another route that could have been took? Is there something to explain the absence of this photograph that should be there?" And we couldn't come up with anything. So when they actually found it, that was a great sense of relief to us. We spent a lot of time on this trying to figure that out.

Mr. Kinsler (57:40):

In those tower location datas, we're referring to the hit on the tower on the west side, what I would call the west side or the west side of this picture is 10:52:09 p.m., and then there's a tower hit heading on the east side at 10:53:21.

Ryan Allar (57:59):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (58:16):

Did you have occasion to trip to Oklahoma or that area in September of 2024?

Ryan Allar (58:28):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (58:29):

On that trip, did you speak with Tommy Williamson?

Ryan Allar (58:34):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (58:37):

Okay. Now, subsequent to that trip, you've heard testimony that in December, I think it's specifically December 18th and 19th, you were part of meetings with Brett Cole?

Ryan Allar (58:50):

Oh, yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (58:51):

Okay. How did it come to pass that you met with Brett Cole?

Ryan Allar (58:57):

Brett Cole was brought on a writ to Belmont County and was in our jail. He obtained legal counsel, and we basically talked to him with his counsel present and obtained the statement that was talked about here yesterday.

Mr. Kinsler (59:15):

Okay. Did he know that was coming?

Mr. Shamansky (59:17):

Objections to anybody else knew, Your Honor.

Mr. Kinsler (59:20):

I'll rephrase, Your Honor.

Judge (59:21):

All right. Thank you.

Mr. Kinsler (59:22):

Did you ever alert Brett Cole that he was going to be brought to Belmont County?

Ryan Allar (59:25):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (59:26):

In fact, prior to that, did you make efforts to reach out to Brett Cole or his attorney in Oklahoma?

Ryan Allar (59:33):

The attorney, yes. After Mr. Cole had told us he did not wish to speak to us and wanted to go through his attorney, we made numerous requests of that attorney to discuss this matter.

Mr. Kinsler (59:48):

Okay. And did you get a response?

Ryan Allar (59:50):

No.

Mr. Kinsler (59:53):

Prior to that meeting, did-

Ryan Allar (59:54):

Excuse me. Let me... I want to be extremely factual here. We got no real response. Some of the calls were returned and it was like, "Hey, I'll get back to you later. I'm busy right now." That's pretty much it.

Mr. Kinsler (01:00:10):

Prior to that meeting, did Mr. Cole ever personally reach out to you?

Ryan Allar (01:00:14):

No.

Mr. Kinsler (01:00:14):

Did he, through any other intermediary other than his attorney, reach out to you?

Ryan Allar (01:00:18):

No.

Mr. Kinsler (01:00:25):

And you mentioned once he got here, he was appointed local counsel, correct?

Ryan Allar (01:00:29):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:00:29):

Okay. And it's at that juncture, December 18th and 19th, and this is what year?

Ryan Allar (01:00:35):

'24, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:00:36):

Okay. At that juncture is when the immunity agreement is entered into?

Ryan Allar (01:00:42):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:00:42):

Okay. At that juncture, did he provide useful or substantive information?

Ryan Allar (01:00:50):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:00:53):

Prior to that meeting with Mr. Cole, you already knew a great deal about the evidence presented in this case?

Ryan Allar (01:01:02):

Yes, sir, I did.

Mr. Kinsler (01:01:04):

Okay. You already knew about the Riverlink photo we talked about?

Ryan Allar (01:01:08):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:01:09):

You already knew that a motorcycle was used in this crime?

Ryan Allar (01:01:12):

I did.

Mr. Kinsler (01:01:13):

And you already had the phone that Brian Warcholak located, the phone number. Well, number one, you're aware of that number?

Ryan Allar (01:01:20):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:01:21):

You also had received cell tower location data for that number?

Ryan Allar (01:01:24):

Correct.

Mr. Kinsler (01:01:25):

You'd already spoken with Corey White?

Ryan Allar (01:01:30):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:01:30):

And you'd already received... Well, you already previously talking to Corey White, you had Facebook information about that sale of the motorcycle?

Ryan Allar (01:01:37):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:01:38):

And once you met with Corey White, you had photographs he'd taken of the bike before the sale and the photo he took during the sale?

Ryan Allar (01:01:44):

You are correct.

Mr. Kinsler (01:01:45):

And you'd spoken to Phil Broadwater?

Ryan Allar (01:01:48):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:01:49):

You'd spoken to Colton Carr?

Ryan Allar (01:01:51):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:01:51):

Amy Chase.

Ryan Allar (01:01:54):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:01:55):

Tommy Williamson?

Ryan Allar (01:01:57):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:02:00):

Had you already spoken to Pat McKim at the Belmont Savings Bank at that time?

Ryan Allar (01:02:05):

I believe so, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:02:06):

Okay. And we already asked you about Brian Warcholak. You'd already spoken with Arthur Cole at that point, hadn't you?

Ryan Allar (01:02:12):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:02:15):

Okay. That all takes place before anybody has signed any paperwork about Brett Cole getting immunity?

Ryan Allar (01:02:20):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:02:24):

Okay. Did any of those witnesses condition talking to you on getting immunity for Brett Cole?

Ryan Allar (01:02:30):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:02:30):

Or getting immunity for themselves?

Ryan Allar (01:02:33):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:02:40):

Your meetings with Brett Cole, were those video recorded?

Ryan Allar (01:02:44):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:02:45):

And you heard Mr. Broadwater testify that he had reached out to Belmont County at some point.

Ryan Allar (01:02:52):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:02:52):

Were you able to confirm that?

Ryan Allar (01:02:54):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:02:54):

What did you learn about that?

Ryan Allar (01:02:57):

When I met with Mr. Broadwater-

Mr. Shamansky (01:03:00):

Object. Hearsay.

Mr. Kinsler (01:03:04):

Mr. Broadwater testified that he had called Belmont County Sheriff's Office. And my question is, did you ever confirm that contact had been made with Belmont County Sheriff's Office?

Ryan Allar (01:03:12):

I did, sir. Unfortunately, Mr. Broadwater did in fact make those calls, and unfortunately, that information did not reach the detective unit.

Mr. Kinsler (01:03:24):

You-

Judge (01:03:25):

Hold on one second. Are you still objecting?

Mr. Shamansky (01:03:27):

I am, Your Honor. This is all hearsay.

Judge (01:03:31):

Mr. Kinsler?

Mr. Kinsler (01:03:35):

May I rephrase the question?

Judge (01:03:36):

All right. Try that route.

Mr. Kinsler (01:03:39):

Did you ever locate evidence that Mr. Broadwater had contacted the office, not relying on what someone else told you?

Ryan Allar (01:03:48):

Oh, yes, sir. Absolutely.

Mr. Kinsler (01:03:51):

Okay.

Judge (01:03:51):

Mr. Shamansky, is that satisfying your objection?

Mr. Shamansky (01:03:53):

Well, as soon as I hear what the evidence is, I guess, Your Honor.

Mr. Kinsler (01:03:56):

What was the evidence?

Ryan Allar (01:03:59):

I confirmed that the number belonging to Mr. Broadwater had called the Belmont County Sheriff's Office.

Mr. Kinsler (01:04:06):

Okay.

Judge (01:04:11):

Does it still remain?

Mr. Shamansky (01:04:14):

No, Your Honor.

Judge (01:04:15):

All right.

Mr. Kinsler (01:04:26):

So after this December meeting with Brett Cole, you learned some additional information, correct?

Ryan Allar (01:04:34):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:04:35):

I'm sorry, I guess in that meeting you learned additional information.

Ryan Allar (01:04:38):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:04:39):

Okay. And were you able to recover a helmet at that time?

Ryan Allar (01:04:45):

Yes, sir, I was.

Mr. Kinsler (01:04:46):

Okay. And you... May I approach, Your Honor?

Judge (01:04:48):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:04:55):

State's Exhibit 23, have you seen this before?

Ryan Allar (01:04:58):

I have.

Mr. Kinsler (01:04:59):

And what do you know about this item? Where did you recover it?

Ryan Allar (01:05:04):

This is the helmet believed to have been worn by the defendant during the traveling and murders of Thomas and Angela Strussion.

Mr. Kinsler (01:05:13):

Where'd you go recover it?

Ryan Allar (01:05:17):

I personally did not recover this. I was in Ohio. I requested that an associate of mine, Detective Bob White, who works in Oklahoma, very helpful to us in this investigation. He responded to Mrs. Babcock's residence and took that into custody and mailed it to me.

Mr. Kinsler (01:05:40):

Okay. During the course of the investigation, did you also recover parts of the motorcycle?

Ryan Allar (01:05:45):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:05:46):

Where was that located?

Ryan Allar (01:05:49):

Various places.

Mr. Kinsler (01:05:50):

Where are the various places? Let me ask you about the windshield. State's Exhibit 129. You've seen this before?

Ryan Allar (01:05:56):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:05:57):

Where was that recovered?

Ryan Allar (01:05:58):

That was recovered from Carolyn Babcock's residence by myself in Oklahoma.

Mr. Kinsler (01:06:10):

State's Exhibit 124, I believe these are Bluetooth speakers.

Ryan Allar (01:06:14):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:06:14):

Where was that recovered?

Ryan Allar (01:06:16):

Oklahoma, sir, at the Babcock residence.

Mr. Kinsler (01:06:18):

Same place, same time?

Ryan Allar (01:06:19):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:06:38):

In your conversation with Brett Cole, he also provided, or in his testimony, Brett Cole also provided details of the offense, of the murders, correct?

Ryan Allar (01:06:45):

Yes, sir, he did.

Mr. Kinsler (01:06:46):

Okay. As part of your investigation, do you make the details of criminal offense public knowledge?

Ryan Allar (01:06:55):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:06:56):

Do you recall what was public knowledge about this investigation by the time you had met with Brett Cole?

Ryan Allar (01:07:03):

The only thing the sheriff's office ever put out about the actual incident was that it was a homicide. As far as details, we kept those extremely vague for various reasons. One being that we had received so many tips and rumors that were being talked about this case, it was easy to... By not releasing all these details, it was easy for us to kind of know who was a crackpot and who wasn't. I get calls from people saying there was rumors that the bodies were dismembered, things like that. Unfortunately, people really like to talk about things like that.

Ryan Allar (01:08:00):

... like to talk about things like that.

Mr. Kinsler (01:08:04):

In his conversation... Well, let me ask you, in his testimony, did Brett Cole testify to details that would not have been public knowledge?

Ryan Allar (01:08:13):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:08:13):

And what would those have been?

Ryan Allar (01:08:14):

The back door was unlocked. Tom and Angela were in their living room near their couches. They were shot three times. The placement of the wounds was eerily consistent with how we actually found them. Going back to the autopsy, Brett Cole testified that Tom was shot first, then questioned by the defendant as to where his money was. The autopsy told us that.

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The autopsy tells us-

Mr. Samuel Shamansky (01:08:52):

Object as to what anything tells us from this witness, Your Honor.

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:08:54):

Approach.

Mr. Kinsler (01:11:09):

We heard testimony in this case from Dr. Lee that Tom Strussion was shot in the back and that the wound bled for some time before he died, and then he died from the fatal shot. One of the two shots to his head was fatal. Did you hear that testimony?

Ryan Allar (01:11:26):

Yes, sir, I did.

Mr. Kinsler (01:11:28):

Okay. Did Brett Cole share information similar to that in his statement to you?

Ryan Allar (01:11:33):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:11:34):

Did Brett Cole share that the defendant told him-

Mr. Samuel Shamansky (01:11:37):

Object, Your Honor. This is leading.

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:11:42):

[inaudible 01:11:42] rephrase.

Mr. Kinsler (01:11:44):

You heard testimony from Brett Cole that the defendant had told him that he had shot Tom.

Mr. Samuel Shamansky (01:11:51):

It's still leading.

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:11:52):

Both approach.

Mr. Kinsler (01:12:54):

In the December 2024 meeting with Brett Cole, what did he tell you about Tom's death?

Ryan Allar (01:13:04):

Cole advised that the defendant entered the home, shot Tom once in the back, shot Angela three times, then questioned Tom Strussion as to the location of money in the home. As we heard the coroner say, Tom Strussion did not die right away. He was shot. A period of time went by, then he was killed. And that is consistent with what we heard from Brett Cole.

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And that is a detail that, of course, we did not release to the public or even to the victim's families.

Mr. Kinsler (01:14:00):

Was it public knowledge that a motorcycle was involved?

Ryan Allar (01:14:04):

Public knowledge, no.

Mr. Kinsler (01:14:07):

Okay. Was it public knowledge that the bike had plates? Did or did not have plates?

Ryan Allar (01:14:12):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:14:14):

Was it public knowledge that a burner phone was used?

Ryan Allar (01:14:18):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:14:26):

Did Brett share anything with you about the defendant being urgent in doing this in this timeframe?

Ryan Allar (01:14:33):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:14:34):

What was that?

Ryan Allar (01:14:36):

Brett Cole advised me that as he was trying to talk the defendant out of going to kill the Strussions, the defendant was very insistent that he had to go right now because Tom and Angela were planning to permanently move to Florida, and he had to kill Tom before that happened. And from our investigation, it was common knowledge somewhat that Tom and Angela were going on a short trip to Florida for Angela's 50th birthday. Very few people knew about the permanent plan to go to Florida, that was taking part with the Strussions.

Mr. Kinsler (01:15:34):

And when you spoke with Mr. Cole, you already had Andrew Griffin's phone records?

Ryan Allar (01:15:49):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:15:50):

So you were already aware about the text communications during the September 19th, 20th, 21st of 2021?

Ryan Allar (01:15:58):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:15:59):

You're already aware of him going and outgoing call records in that same timeframe, September 19th, 20th, and 21?

Ryan Allar (01:16:06):

Correct.

Mr. Kinsler (01:16:07):

Did Brett Cole say anything to you about that?

Ryan Allar (01:16:10):

Yes, he did.

Mr. Kinsler (01:16:12):

And what did he say?

Ryan Allar (01:16:14):

Mr. Cole advised that the plan was after the defendant had left on the motorcycle to appear to kill Tom Strussion, that he was given the defendant's phone, and that the plan was he would not answer the phone, but he would text back Stacey Griffin only, not talk to her, but text her back. And that he would post Snapchat, social media posts pretending to be the defendant, so the GPS data from the phones would look like the defendant was in Oklahoma, and that there'd be social media activity that would suggest that the defendant was in Oklahoma.

Mr. Kinsler (01:17:15):

You also heard... What did you hear from Brett about Stacey's involvement?

Ryan Allar (01:17:21):

Brett had advised us that the defendant had told him that Stacey was in on the planning and the homicides.

Mr. Kinsler (01:17:31):

Did you find any evidence to corroborate that fact?

Ryan Allar (01:17:33):

I did not, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:17:51):

Okay. May I approach, Your Honor?

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:17:57):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:17:57):

State's Exhibit 113, do you recognize that?

Ryan Allar (01:18:13):

Sir, it doesn't describe what this is exactly. It's our item 15, Exhibit 113.

Mr. Kinsler (01:18:20):

Okay.

Ryan Allar (01:18:24):

Yes, sir. I believe, sir, that might be the MVAC from the helmet.

Mr. Kinsler (01:18:39):

I was going to ask you, what is the MVAC?

Ryan Allar (01:18:45):

An MVAC is essentially a vacuum that'll, when applied, will suck everything DNA-wise out of a particular item, and then a lab can root through that, and find DNA profiles on what would typically be very difficult things to obtain a DNA sample from.

Mr. Kinsler (01:19:12):

That was done in this case on the helmet, correct?

Ryan Allar (01:19:14):

Yes, sir, it was.

Mr. Kinsler (01:19:15):

Is that the MVAC that relates to the Pure Gold would return to you?

Ryan Allar (01:19:19):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:19:37):

Did you also send things from the kitchen to... Did you send items from the kitchen to Pure Gold for MVAC?

Ryan Allar (01:19:47):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:19:49):

Okay. Is it possible that item is those, the kitchen knobs and so forth?

Ryan Allar (01:19:53):

Yes, sir. I'd have to see the exhibit list and numbers to give you an accurate accounting of the add 100%.

Mr. Kinsler (01:19:58):

Okay. In this case, what items were sent to Pure Gold?

Ryan Allar (01:20:08):

The helmet knobs from the kitchen. I believe that would be... I believe that's it, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:20:19):

Okay. And why use Pure Gold?

Ryan Allar (01:20:25):

In this case, most everything goes to our BCI crime lab. As far as the MVAC technology, it's something that our lab does not employ at this time. And after the vast amount of evidence we sent our lab, they only let you submit so many items. So we engaged a private lab to do a lot of testing on this case. One, to take the burden off of the state of Ohio, and also to employ some more cutting edge technologies that weren't in common use quite yet.

Mr. Kinsler (01:21:13):

You also collected some paperwork from Stacey Griffin, is that correct?

Ryan Allar (01:21:19):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:21:19):

Do you recall when that was?

Ryan Allar (01:21:26):

Exact date, no, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:21:28):

Would that have been prior to, or after you would've had the conversation in December 2024 with Brett Cole?

Ryan Allar (01:21:35):

Prior to, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:21:35):

I'm going to show the witness what has been marked as State's Exhibit 118A.

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:21:42):

Mr. Shamansky?

Mr. Samuel Shamansky (01:21:52):

No objection, Your Honor.

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:21:53):

All right. You may proceed.

Mr. Kinsler (01:22:13):

Do you recognize this item, State's Exhibit 118A?

Ryan Allar (01:22:18):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:22:24):

What are we looking at here?

Ryan Allar (01:22:27):

We're looking at a contract between Thomas Strussion and Andrew Griffin.

Mr. Kinsler (01:22:32):

All right. Can you tell me the date it was executed?

Ryan Allar (01:22:36):

3/17/21.

Mr. Kinsler (01:22:39):

And what is the caption at the top?

Ryan Allar (01:22:43):

AGS Holdings, LLC.

Mr. Kinsler (01:22:51):

Was this in the items you recovered or the paperwork you recovered from Stacey?

Ryan Allar (01:22:54):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:23:01):

And this PDF appears to be four pages long. It includes some handwriting. And on page four, it includes financial startup capital, correct?

Ryan Allar (01:23:12):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:23:12):

And what did each of the parties... According to this, what did each of the parties put in?

Ryan Allar (01:23:19):

A total of $75,000, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:23:21):

Okay. And I'm asking you, I guess specifically it pertains to the typewriting at the top. There are some additional numbers down at the bottom, but those are handwritten, correct?

Ryan Allar (01:23:28):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:23:29):

Okay. And did you also recover billing information from Stacey Griffin in that paperwork?

Ryan Allar (01:23:38):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:23:41):

I would like to show State's Exhibit 118B.

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:23:49):

Mr. Shamansky?

Mr. Samuel Shamansky (01:23:51):

No objection, Your Honor.

Mr. Kinsler (01:23:54):

State's Exhibit 118B is one-page long PDF. Do you recognize this item?

Ryan Allar (01:24:00):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:24:01):

What are we looking at?

Ryan Allar (01:24:02):

A gas bill.

Mr. Kinsler (01:24:04):

And who is it addressed to?

Ryan Allar (01:24:07):

Andrew Griffin, the defendant.

Mr. Kinsler (01:24:09):

And what address?

Ryan Allar (01:24:11):

13 Oak Circle Drive, Wheeling, West Virginia.

Mr. Kinsler (01:24:15):

Is that address significant to you?

Ryan Allar (01:24:17):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:24:18):

And why?

Ryan Allar (01:24:19):

It's the defendant's address.

Mr. Kinsler (01:24:22):

Did you also receive similar information, address information from Trackey?

Ryan Allar (01:24:26):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:24:27):

And I believe that we heard testimony it was 11 Oak Circle Drive.

Ryan Allar (01:24:31):

You're correct.

Mr. Kinsler (01:24:45):

Your Honor, I would like to publish State's Exhibit 138BB. This is a F&F Feed receipt.

Mr. Samuel Shamansky (01:24:57):

No objection, Your Honor.

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:24:57):

You may proceed.

Mr. Kinsler (01:24:58):

Thank you, Your Honor. Do you recognize State's Exhibit 138BB?

Ryan Allar (01:25:20):

I do, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:25:22):

And what are we looking at?

Ryan Allar (01:25:25):

This is a receipt from F&F Feed in Grant, Oklahoma, which is close to Hugo.

Mr. Kinsler (01:25:35):

Okay. Does it have a date on it?

Ryan Allar (01:25:37):

9/20/21.

Mr. Kinsler (01:25:39):

And does it have a time?

Ryan Allar (01:25:42):

One second, please. 2:22 PM.

Mr. Kinsler (01:25:46):

Okay. Why was this significant to you?

Ryan Allar (01:25:50):

Well, it's like, in any investigation, someone tells you something, you can't take it for gospel. You got to corroborate. You got to look for other evidence to back up someone's either truthful or untruthful statement. Mr. Cole knew an awful lot about this murder. He also advised that he had made some purchases during that time period for Mr. Griffin and whatnot. So we looked at anything that Mr. Cole said to the proofs being inaccurate.

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This receipt with a signature very consistent with their signatures of Mr. Cole, and the fact that we actually obtained this receipt from the store in person; I corroborated Mr. Cole's statement that he was in Oklahoma at the time of these incidents.

Mr. Kinsler (01:26:48):

And you also retrieved documentation from when he was booked into the jail here?

Ryan Allar (01:26:54):

I did so.

Mr. Kinsler (01:26:55):

When did you do that?

Ryan Allar (01:27:00):

During Mr. Shamansky's opening argument.

Mr. Kinsler (01:27:06):

Okay. Well, did you do it then, or did you do it after that?

Ryan Allar (01:27:09):

I actually did it right then and there. Yeah.

Mr. Kinsler (01:27:10):

Okay. I would like to show State's Exhibit 168.

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:27:12):

Mr. Shamansky?

Mr. Samuel Shamansky (01:27:29):

No objection, Your Honor.

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:27:31):

You may proceed.

Mr. Kinsler (01:27:32):

Thank you, Your Honor. Do you recognize State's Exhibit 168?

Ryan Allar (01:27:48):

I do, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:27:49):

And what are we looking at?

Ryan Allar (01:27:52):

This is a form that we read and fill out and have every inmate that comes through our door sign. It's a conveyance questionnaire. Basically, how the jail does it is there's a line in the intake area of the jail when a new inmate comes in. They are read this form, which essentially says, "Look, if you have any illegal contraband on your person, if you tell it to us now, you'll still be charged. But if you pass this line, it's not possession anymore. It's conveyance into a detention facility, which is a lot more serious charge."

(01:28:38)
Basically, we give everybody a chance to declare anything that they have that they shouldn't before they go through a search and a body scanner. And the inmates are all asked to sign this form prior to the search.

Mr. Kinsler (01:28:56):

And on page one, I guess the bottom right, there's a signature, correct?

Ryan Allar (01:29:01):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:29:04):

Okay. And this record, 168, is this kept in the ordinary course of business of the jail?

Ryan Allar (01:29:09):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:29:10):

Is it a true and accurate copy of the record that the jail keeps?

Ryan Allar (01:29:13):

Yes, sir. It is.

Mr. Kinsler (01:29:15):

And this PDF is, I think, six pages long. Am I correct on page two, his signature appears again?

Ryan Allar (01:29:28):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:29:32):

And page three?

Ryan Allar (01:29:34):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:29:36):

Page four?

Ryan Allar (01:29:37):

Correct.

Mr. Kinsler (01:29:39):

Page five?

Ryan Allar (01:29:40):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:29:41):

And page six?

Ryan Allar (01:29:43):

Correct, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:29:53):

I'm sorry. I'm going to display that same exhibit again, Your Honor. Particularly I direct you on page six, what date did he sign this paperwork?

Ryan Allar (01:30:09):

10/23/26, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:30:41):

We talked about this December 2024 meeting with Brett Cole. That's where he was given immunity, correct?

Ryan Allar (01:30:47):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:30:48):

Okay. Were you present for that?

Ryan Allar (01:30:50):

I was, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:30:51):

Okay. I'm going to show him what has been marked as State's Exhibit 158. This the letter.

Mr. Samuel Shamansky (01:30:55):

No objection, Your Honor.

Mr. Kinsler (01:31:13):

Do you recognize State's Exhibit 158?

Ryan Allar (01:31:16):

Yes, sir, I do.

Mr. Kinsler (01:31:18):

Okay. Is this the letter of immunity we discussed?

Ryan Allar (01:31:20):

It is.

Mr. Kinsler (01:31:21):

It is a four-page PDF, and on the fourth page, do we see Mr. Cole's signature?

Ryan Allar (01:31:35):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:31:35):

And what date was that?

Ryan Allar (01:31:37):

12/19/24, sir.

Mr. Samuel Shamansky (01:31:49):

Can we approach one second, please?

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:31:51):

Yes.

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Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, it has been suggested we take a stop here for a break, about a 15-minute break. I think that's a good idea. You can stretch your legs and Mr. Lawrence will take you back to the jury room. We're outside the presence of the jury. Any issues the state of Ohio needs to address?

Mr. Kinsler (01:33:06):

No, Judge.

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:33:06):

Mr. Shamansky?

Mr. Samuel Shamansky (01:33:08):

No, all good, sir. Thank you.

Judge Chris Berhalter (01:33:09):

Okay. Then the court will be in recess at this time.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):

We're back on the record in the state of Ohio v. Andrew Griffin. Mr. Griffin is present in the courtroom with his counsel. State of Ohio is present. And the jury is back in the courtroom. Detective Dower, I'll remind you, you're still under oath.

Ryan Allar (01:54:06):

Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):

All right. And Mr. Kinzer, are you ready to proceed?

Mr. Kinsler (01:54:09):

Yes, Your Honor. Thank you. May I approach, Your Honor?

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:54:17):

I'm going to show you what's been marked as State's Exhibit 110B, 110C, 110D, and 110E.

Ryan Allar (01:55:03):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:55:04):

Do you recognize those items?

Ryan Allar (01:55:08):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:55:09):

I think we previously talked about 110. May I, Your Honor?

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:55:17):

Previously talked about, is it 110 or 110A?

Ryan Allar (01:55:19):

One second, please. 110, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:55:24):

You previously testified that 110 was the device that was nicknamed Tom?

Ryan Allar (01:55:30):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:55:31):

And you had gotten tracking information or GPS-location data related to that device from tracking, correct?

Ryan Allar (01:55:37):

Correct.

Mr. Kinsler (01:55:38):

You also received additional tracking items, correct?

Ryan Allar (01:55:43):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:55:45):

And who did you get those from?

Ryan Allar (01:55:46):

Stacy Griffin.

Mr. Kinsler (01:55:47):

Okay. And do you recall when that took place?

Ryan Allar (01:55:53):

The original item was in November of '23. These items were recently discovered.

Mr. Kinsler (01:56:02):

Okay. And I believe she testified to that. And then how did you get them?

Ryan Allar (01:56:06):

She mailed them to us.

Mr. Kinsler (01:56:07):

Okay. And those include boxes for additional trackers?

Ryan Allar (01:56:11):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:56:11):

And I think the one item in the bag, I believe is... What item number is that or exhibit number is that?

Ryan Allar (01:56:18):

It's 110B, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:56:20):

That's another actual tracking device, correct?

Ryan Allar (01:56:23):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:56:23):

Were you able to ascertain any information from tracking about those devices?

Ryan Allar (01:56:29):

No, sir. We were not. Too much time had passed.

Mr. Kinsler (01:56:32):

Okay. May I, Your Honor?

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:56:43):

State's Exhibit 122. Do you recognize that item?

Ryan Allar (01:56:48):

One second please, sir. Yes, sir, I do.

Mr. Kinsler (01:56:52):

And what is that?

Ryan Allar (01:56:54):

This is a known DNA standard of Brett Cole.

Mr. Kinsler (01:56:57):

And how did you come to possess that?

Ryan Allar (01:56:59):

I took this from Mr. Cole myself.

Mr. Kinsler (01:57:09):

Okay. State's Exhibit 112. Do you recognize that item?

Ryan Allar (01:57:17):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:57:19):

And what is that?

Ryan Allar (01:57:19):

It's the Pocket Juice power charger.

Mr. Kinsler (01:57:23):

And how did you come to possess that item?

Ryan Allar (01:57:26):

This was given to me by Stacy Griffin.

Mr. Kinsler (01:57:28):

Okay. And it's the same make and manufacturer was on the Walmart receipt?

Ryan Allar (01:57:33):

Yes, sir, it is.

Mr. Kinsler (01:57:38):

Okay. State's Exhibit 123A. Do you recognize that?

Ryan Allar (01:57:47):

Yes, sir. This is the impact filter from the motorcycle helmet.

Mr. Kinsler (01:57:51):

Okay. And I'd asked you previously about State's Exhibit 113. What would that have been then?

Ryan Allar (01:57:59):

It would also be the...

Mr. Kinsler (01:58:01):

Would've been an impact from an other-

Ryan Allar (01:58:03):

Correct.

Mr. Kinsler (01:58:04):

Do you remember what those items were?

Ryan Allar (01:58:06):

I'm sorry, can you ask that again please, sir?

Mr. Kinsler (01:58:08):

Do you remember what those items would've been? Do you remember [inaudible 01:58:11].

Ryan Allar (01:58:11):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:58:12):

What would that have been?

Ryan Allar (01:58:15):

It'd been from the motorcycle helmet, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (01:58:19):

I'm sorry, that one is from the motorcycle helmet, correct?

Ryan Allar (01:58:21):

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Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (01:58:22):

Okay. And 113, is that the same or different?

Ryan Allar (01:58:26):

May I see it, sir?

Mr. Kinsler (01:58:34):

Would it assist you to open it, 113?

Ryan Allar (01:58:38):

Yes, sir, it would. Need something sharp, sir. [inaudible 01:58:42].

Mr. Shermansky (01:58:41):

I'll just stipulate.

Mr. Kinsler (01:58:49):

Your Honor, the parties stipulate that Exhibit 113 is an impact from the Pigeon oven knobs that was submitted to [inaudible 01:58:56].

Mr. Shermansky (01:58:56):

So stipulated, Your Honor.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):

All right. That stipulation is noted.

Mr. Kinsler (02:00:02):

You also testified you recovered a phone from Stacy Griffin?

Ryan Allar (02:00:07):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:00:08):

And who is your understanding that phone belonged to?

Ryan Allar (02:00:12):

Are you talking about the... At the same time, the original tracking device?

Mr. Kinsler (02:00:16):

Yes.

Ryan Allar (02:00:17):

That phone turned out to belong to Brett Cole.

Mr. Kinsler (02:00:20):

Okay. May I approach, Your Honor?

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):

Yeah.

Mr. Kinsler (02:00:23):

State's Exhibit 111. Do you recognize that item?

Ryan Allar (02:00:32):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:00:33):

Would it help you to open it to [inaudible 02:00:35].

Ryan Allar (02:00:36):

Yes, sir. [inaudible 02:00:38]. Yes, sir. It's Brett Cole's phone.

Mr. Kinsler (02:00:46):

How do you recognize it as Brett Cole's phone, sir?

Ryan Allar (02:00:48):

Brett Cole's horse. [inaudible 02:00:49].

Mr. Kinsler (02:00:49):

Please.

Ryan Allar (02:00:50):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:01:18):

We've spoken about State's Exhibit 158, the immunity agreement with Mr. Cole. What is your understanding of what was offered to Mr. Cole?

Mr. Shermansky (02:01:25):

Object as to his understanding, Your Honor. That document speaks for itself.

Mr. Kinsler (02:01:30):

Withdrawn, Your Honor.

Speaker 2 (02:01:30):

All right.

Mr. Kinsler (02:01:39):

The phone we just looked at, Brett Cole's phone, are you familiar with the records pertaining to that phone?

Ryan Allar (02:01:46):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:01:47):

And what sort of records would there be?

Ryan Allar (02:01:50):

The text message times, GPS... Or excuse me, no GPS on that particular phone. Call logs say who he called and when.

Mr. Kinsler (02:02:01):

And why is it that we wouldn't have GPS for that phone?

Ryan Allar (02:02:04):

Too much time had passed for us to be able to get that information when we learned about Mr. Cole.

Mr. Kinsler (02:02:12):

You did receive records from the phone company, but they don't include cell tower locations?

Ryan Allar (02:02:16):

Correct. Too much time had passed.

Mr. Kinsler (02:02:21):

And the records you're familiar with as to that phone, during the September 19, 20, and 21, did Brett Cole have incoming and outgoing calls?

Ryan Allar (02:02:33):

Yes, he did.

Mr. Kinsler (02:02:34):

And did those calls have durations?

Ryan Allar (02:02:48):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (02:02:49):

Well, you've been to Oklahoma how many times?

Ryan Allar (02:02:54):

10, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:02:55):

Okay. And we heard testimony from witnesses that the defendant said he was at places like Poteau Mountain?

Ryan Allar (02:03:01):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (02:03:02):

Are you familiar with that location?

Ryan Allar (02:03:04):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:03:05):

How far away is Poteau Mountain from Hugo?

Ryan Allar (02:03:10):

About three hours, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:03:11):

Okay. We also heard about Muse, Oklahoma. Are you familiar with Muse?

Ryan Allar (02:03:17):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:03:18):

How far away is that from Hugo?

Ryan Allar (02:03:22):

I believe around two hours, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:03:23):

And we also heard about West Texas or Midland, Texas. You're familiar with that area?

Ryan Allar (02:03:32):

I believe so, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:03:33):

And how far away is that from Hugo?

Ryan Allar (02:03:36):

Sir, I'm not entirely clear how far. I believe around an hour.

Mr. Kinsler (02:03:49):

Well, let me show you what's been marked as State's Exhibit 137CC1. [inaudible 02:03:58].

Mr. Shermansky (02:04:01):

No objection, Your Honor.

Speaker 2 (02:04:02):

All right. You may proceed.

Mr. Kinsler (02:04:23):

Do you recognize 137CC1?

Ryan Allar (02:04:29):

Yes, sir. It's an Arvest bank account, looks to be credit card records.

Mr. Kinsler (02:04:36):

And who is associated with this bank account, if you know?

Ryan Allar (02:04:45):

Sir, I can't see who the card owner is on this document.

Mr. Kinsler (02:04:49):

Okay. We've previously had a stipulation that these are Andrew Griffin's phone records.

Mr. Shermansky (02:04:56):

That's so stipulated, Your Honor.

Ryan Allar (02:04:58):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:04:59):

Okay. In particular, what transaction are we looking at here?

Ryan Allar (02:05:03):

I believe a transaction from 9/20, I want to say, of 2021.

Mr. Shermansky (02:05:10):

Bank records, not phone records.

Mr. Kinsler (02:05:10):

Thanks.

Ryan Allar (02:05:10):

At the Shell service station in Hugo, Oklahoma.

Mr. Kinsler (02:05:14):

And I apologize, I misspoke. These are bank records, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:05:17):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:05:18):

Okay. Why is this of interest to you?

Ryan Allar (02:05:25):

Any type of activity on the defendant's financial account during this case would be relevant, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:05:33):

Okay. And you would've gotten the defendant's bank records for a period of time back in the 2021 timeframe, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:05:42):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:05:43):

And are you familiar with those records? Have you looked at them?

Ryan Allar (02:05:46):

Yes, I have.

Mr. Kinsler (02:05:47):

And where was this transaction? Where did this take place?

Ryan Allar (02:05:53):

The Shell service station in Hugo, Oklahoma.

Mr. Kinsler (02:05:56):

Okay. Are you aware of any other purchases or transactions made on the defendant's bank account for that location?

Ryan Allar (02:06:03):

That is the only charge at that gas station during those records.

Mr. Kinsler (02:06:08):

Okay. We've also looked at First United Bank records in this case, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:06:13):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (02:06:13):

And whose records would those be?

Ryan Allar (02:06:15):

Brett Cole's.

Mr. Kinsler (02:06:16):

And did you find transactions at that same location there?

Ryan Allar (02:06:19):

Multiple.

Mr. Kinsler (02:06:19):

Okay. [inaudible 02:06:38]. Did we ever locate the defendant's phone for this timeframe, specifically the phone he would've owned in September 20 of '21?

Ryan Allar (02:06:49):

Unfortunately not, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:06:50):

And I think I asked you about West Texas. Are you familiar with Midland, Texas?

Ryan Allar (02:06:56):

Somewhat, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:06:57):

How far away is that from Hugo, Oklahoma?

Ryan Allar (02:07:02):

I believe around an hour, sir, but I'm not extremely confident in that answer.

Mr. Kinsler (02:07:07):

Okay. Did you actually trip there? Did you go to Midland in this case?

Ryan Allar (02:07:14):

I did, sir. Can you refresh my memory as to the purpose of that trip? It'll help me.

Mr. Kinsler (02:07:21):

No, I'm asking you, do you recall going to Midland?

Ryan Allar (02:07:24):

I know that I was there, sir, but at this point, without some more information, I can't recollect as to the purpose.

Mr. Kinsler (02:07:30):

Okay. No further questions for the witness, Your Honor.

Speaker 2 (02:07:39):

Mr. Shermansky, do you wish to undertake any cross-examination?

Mr. Shermansky (02:07:41):

I do, Your Honor.

Speaker 2 (02:07:41):

You may proceed when you're ready.

Mr. Shermansky (02:07:43):

Thank you, sir. Good morning, Detective.

Ryan Allar (02:07:46):

Morning, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:07:47):

So you recall the beginning of this investigation, there's a lot of work going on, as is typically the case with a situation of this import or magnitude, right?

Ryan Allar (02:08:12):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:08:12):

It's not every day in this county we have a double homicide and arson, right?

Ryan Allar (02:08:17):

You are correct, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:08:18):

And you were duty bound, as you did, to chase and follow every lead, as you've testified to, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:08:28):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:08:28):

And the reason you're doing that is you're dealing with a man, Tom Strussion, whose activities are well known in this area, right?

Ryan Allar (02:08:38):

Correct.

Mr. Shermansky (02:08:39):

And doing the hard work that you did, you learned a great deal about who he was and with whom he involved himself with, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:08:51):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:08:52):

And the jury's heard about it, it was acknowledged on opening that Tom Strussion flashed a lot of cash and was reckless, correct? Let me put it another way. Did he flash a lot of cash to your knowledge or have you heard of that throughout the course of your investigation?

Ryan Allar (02:09:08):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:09:09):

And you certainly don't flash large amounts of cash out, do you?

Ryan Allar (02:09:15):

I don't have large amounts of cash.

Mr. Shermansky (02:09:16):

But assuming that you did, you wouldn't be waving it around, would you? [inaudible 02:09:22]. Maybe you would, would you?

Ryan Allar (02:09:25):

No, sir, I would not.

Mr. Shermansky (02:09:26):

Okay, because you wouldn't want to get hit over the head or shot or robbed, right?

Ryan Allar (02:09:32):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:09:33):

Yes, you would want to?

Ryan Allar (02:09:36):

No, sir, I would not.

Mr. Shermansky (02:09:37):

Okay. So all I'm saying is, if you got a big wad of money in your hand, you are going to be careful because you're a careful person, right?

Ryan Allar (02:09:46):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:09:47):

All right. And other than in your work in law enforcement, you're not hanging around narcotics traffickers as friends, right?

Ryan Allar (02:09:57):

No, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:09:59):

You know from your work in narcotics and homicide, those are dangerous, armed, ruthless people oftentimes, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:10:05):

They can be, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:10:06):

Right. And you learned that Tom, especially in the latter part of September, had a bunch of these dopers in his Salsa Joe's bar, right? I mean, you certainly recall that testimony here, right?

Ryan Allar (02:10:30):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:10:30):

Okay. And you also learned historically, and we went through this, the evidence in the case when we were speaking with your colleague, but there were individuals whose phone records, through your hard work, popped up on the tower near the Strussion home at or around the time of the murder, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:10:58):

Lots of individuals, sir, yes.

Mr. Shermansky (02:11:00):

Right. Several of whom were armed and dangerous thug types, right?

Ryan Allar (02:11:06):

There was an individual who was known to us as someone that would get in trouble quite frequently.

Mr. Shermansky (02:11:17):

And of course, you learned from Lacey that Jeremy Evans' cell phone was among one of those tower dumps, right?

Ryan Allar (02:11:24):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:11:25):

And he'd been arrested multiple times for drug and firearms violations, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:11:29):

Correct.

Mr. Shermansky (02:11:38):

Now, around the time that this investigation kicks off, you or members of the office had contact, Lieutenant Doug Cruz spoke to Griffin, and got the password to the video cameras, right?

Ryan Allar (02:11:54):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:11:55):

And from that, you recall while we're talking about reckless behavior, Strussion is seen having sex with some woman in the bar after [inaudible 02:12:05] leaves, right?

Ryan Allar (02:12:07):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:12:08):

All on video, right?

Ryan Allar (02:12:10):

Correct.

Mr. Shermansky (02:12:26):

And you were careful to indicate that from a law enforcement perspective, it's especially critical to maintain a handle on information that's released to the public, right?

Ryan Allar (02:12:40):

Yes sir, it is.

Mr. Shermansky (02:12:41):

And the reason that is so critical, in your experience, you get all kinds of coops... Coops is a bad word. You get all kinds of people that call in and waste valuable resources with information that's utterly worthless, right?

Ryan Allar (02:12:56):

Yes sir, you do.

Mr. Shermansky (02:12:57):

And as you have progressed as a law enforcement official, the way information flows these days is much different than when we first got involved in this business, right?

Ryan Allar (02:13:11):

Yes sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:13:12):

And that's why it's so critical now, as it's always been, but especially now, to keep a tight rein on that information, right?

Ryan Allar (02:13:23):

Yes sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:13:24):

That way you don't pollute the integrity of the investigation, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:13:28):

Correct.

Mr. Shermansky (02:13:28):

And that's what you endeavored to do as you've already testified, right?

Ryan Allar (02:13:31):

Yes sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:13:32):

Now when you met with Brett Cole December 18th, that was in 2024, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:13:43):

Yes sir, it was.

Mr. Shermansky (02:13:44):

And that was a video-recorded interview, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:13:52):

Yes sir, it was.

Mr. Shermansky (02:13:54):

And I'm reviewing your intro at 19 seconds, and correct me if I'm mistaken, but verbatim you said, "We know you bought that motorcycle for Andrew with Dalton Ray. We know that you kept Andrew's phone at your house and sent some text messages on it, and they proved that. And we've got three or four people that have given sworn statements about conversations you have had with them." You made that statement, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:14:22):

Yes sir, I did.

Mr. Shermansky (02:14:24):

May I have one second, Your Honor, please?

Speaker 2 (02:14:25):

Yes.

Speaker 3 (02:14:49):

Thank you [inaudible 02:14:50].

Mr. Shermansky (02:14:50):

And sir, lastly, you work closely with Brian Lacey, who's an agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:14:58):

Yes sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:14:59):

And the FBI had... Or I should say rather Tom Strussion had been on the FBI's radar for some time, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:15:14):

No sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:15:15):

Oh, he had not? How long had he been on their radar?

Ryan Allar (02:15:18):

I believe it was when I picked up the phone and called Lacey and advised he was dead.

Mr. Shermansky (02:15:26):

No, sir, I'm sorry. I'm not asking this question the right way. Prior to the demise of the Strussions, you were given access to the FBI's files. After the death, let's start there, in February of '22, you got ahold of the FBI files, right?

Ryan Allar (02:15:47):

Correct.

Mr. Shermansky (02:15:47):

And of course you learned that the FBI and the Capitol Police had been investigating and had investigated Strussion for criminal activity, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:16:01):

Yes sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:16:02):

Which involved Congressman-

Mr. Shermansky (02:16:00):

... Activity, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:16:01):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:16:02):

Which involved Congressman Nye, right?

Ryan Allar (02:16:05):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:16:06):

And, I mean, I hate to ask you this, but you were aware that, at least you wrote, that they learned that Tom was entangled in a criminal conspiracy, right?

Ryan Allar (02:16:22):

Yes, sir. I believe that was over 20 years ago.

Mr. Shermansky (02:16:25):

Right. But, in terms of the context, that's something that you learned, right?

Ryan Allar (02:16:30):

Correct.

Mr. Shermansky (02:16:33):

And you're doing this in your role as trying to ferret out every little bit of information you can to help solve a crime, right?

Ryan Allar (02:16:41):

Yes, sir. I am.

Mr. Shermansky (02:16:42):

You're not looking to embarrass anybody or-

Ryan Allar (02:16:46):

Absolutely not, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:16:48):

Right. You behaved professionally, you worked your tail off, got the information you needed, and you put it all together so these gentlemen could do their job, right?

Ryan Allar (02:16:55):

That is my job, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:16:56):

Now, you were asked about DNA collection, and it was your opinion that the BCI lab was incompetent when it came to this case, the DNA portion of the lab-

Mr. Kinsler (02:17:08):

Objection, Your Honor. That's not his testimony.

Judge (02:17:12):

Approach.

Mr. Shermansky (02:17:12):

Well, let me rephrase it. I'm sorry. Maybe incompetent is a bad word.

Ryan Allar (02:17:17):

It is.

Mr. Shermansky (02:17:18):

Unable to meet the needs of your investigation with respect to DNA.

Ryan Allar (02:17:25):

I would disagree with that statement, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:17:27):

Well, you were asked about Pure Gold and Cybergenetics, and you indicated that the Ohio BCI crime lab was unable to do the work, right? Or you didn't want them to do the work?

Ryan Allar (02:17:39):

I've been working with the BCI crime lab for over 30 years. I have absolutely nothing bad to say about them. They are a very, very well-respected, as they should be, agency.

Mr. Shermansky (02:17:54):

Right. You didn't want to use them in this case?

Ryan Allar (02:17:56):

No, sir. I used them to great extent.

Mr. Shermansky (02:17:58):

For the DNA?

Ryan Allar (02:18:00):

I used them to great extent for various things, yes.

Mr. Shermansky (02:18:03):

For the DNA that allegedly came from the motorcycle helmet. How about that?

Ryan Allar (02:18:07):

No, sir. We did not use them for that.

Mr. Shermansky (02:18:09):

Right. And the reason you didn't use them is that you didn't think they were capable of analyzing the DNA that you claim is in that helmet or that you believe or whatever. Correct or incorrect?

Ryan Allar (02:18:20):

As I previously testified, sir, they didn't utilize the technology that we request to be utilized on this helmet.

Mr. Shermansky (02:18:31):

Right. The TrueAllele proprietary computer programming, right? That's what you're talking about, right?

Ryan Allar (02:18:38):

I'm talking about the M-Vac system, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:18:41):

When we talk about the M-Vac system, did you utilize an M-Vac machine?

Ryan Allar (02:18:46):

Me personally, sir?

Mr. Shermansky (02:18:47):

You personally.

Ryan Allar (02:18:48):

No, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:18:49):

And you personally, that's all I'm talking about, you didn't have anything to do with DNA extraction from that motorcycle helmet, did you?

Ryan Allar (02:18:58):

No, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:18:59):

You weren't around when it allegedly happened, were you?

Ryan Allar (02:19:03):

No, sir. I was not.

Mr. Shermansky (02:19:05):

So, your office made a decision to go with these privateers, right?

Ryan Allar (02:19:12):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:19:12):

The one lab had three people in it, right?

Ryan Allar (02:19:15):

Yes.

Mr. Shermansky (02:19:15):

And the other lab had five people, right?

Ryan Allar (02:19:19):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:19:19):

They're both for-profit agencies, right?

Ryan Allar (02:19:23):

Yes.

Mr. Shermansky (02:19:24):

May I have one second, Your Honor, please?

Judge (02:19:25):

Yes.

Mr. Shermansky (02:19:35):

I forgot one thing. This bit about the .22 gun in this case, Cole told you, and correct me if I'm wrong, but he explained to you, at least it was his position ...

(02:19:57)
I'll back up. You asked Stacey in your first interview with her in 2023, "Do you know if Andrew or anybody runs around with, got a .22 pistol?" Remember that question?

Mr. Kinsler (02:20:07):

Your Honor, may we approach?

Judge (02:20:07):

Yes.

Mr. Shermansky (02:21:20):

May I proceed, Your Honor?

Judge (02:21:21):

You may.

Mr. Shermansky (02:21:22):

Detective, let me ask you again. It is true that you asked in your first interview with Stacey in 2023, "Do you know if Andrew or anybody runs around with, got a .22 pistol?" And be careful with the answer. I'm not asking what was told to you. I'm just asking if you, in fact, asked that question.

Ryan Allar (02:21:45):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:21:47):

Now, in speaking with Brett Cole, Brett indicated to you that some pistol had been ground down, and he was hoping the parts would be safe for his gun.

(02:22:05)
Remember that discussion as well?

Ryan Allar (02:22:08):

Yes, sir. I do.

Mr. Shermansky (02:22:09):

One second, Your Honor. Lieutenant Randy MacKendrick. You know that name?

Ryan Allar (02:23:06):

Lieutenant Randy-

Mr. Shermansky (02:23:07):

I'm sorry, sir? MacKendrick? MacKendrick? MacKendrick? Forgive me.

Ryan Allar (02:23:18):

I'm sorry, sir. Was that the CEO that was present at the bar?

Mr. Shermansky (02:23:25):

Fox Run Children's Hospital.

Ryan Allar (02:23:27):

Oh, yeah, I'm aware.

Mr. Shermansky (02:23:34):

You're aware of his background, of course?

Ryan Allar (02:23:36):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:23:37):

Similar to that at Brett Cole's, right?

Ryan Allar (02:23:41):

Same neighborhood, yes.

Mr. Shermansky (02:23:43):

Thank you. That's all I have, Your Honor.

Judge (02:23:46):

Any redirect?

Mr. Kinsler (02:23:47):

Yes, Your Honor. Thank you.

(02:23:56)
You were asked on cross about dopers, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:24:00):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:24:02):

In the course of your investigation, did you investigate some drug dealers?

Ryan Allar (02:24:07):

Yes, sir, we did.

Mr. Kinsler (02:24:08):

What did you do to investigate the drug dealers?

Ryan Allar (02:24:11):

We kept hearing rumors that ... Well, we heard all kinds of rumors about this case, but one that kept going around was that Tom Strussion was laundering money for drug dealers or drug cartels or whatnot, which I knew wasn't true. Looking at the [inaudible 02:24:37] Strussion was taking money out of Salsa Joe's, not putting money in, and I was able to account for where that money was going to, and it was not going to drug dealers.

(02:24:50)
There was no contacts in Strussion's phone related to known drug dealers. There were a few that would frequent the restaurant, but we could find no contact with them whatsoever. These people were arrested, somewhat due to our investigation, and received lengthy prison sentences. And post-arrest, we searched their electronic devices, hoping to see if there was any contact or not any contact, and we could find no ties to any of these people with either of the Strussions.

Mr. Kinsler (02:25:33):

On cross, you were asked about Jeremy Evans.

Ryan Allar (02:25:36):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:25:37):

And did you follow up on that lead?

Ryan Allar (02:25:40):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:25:41):

Did you do some search warrants or subpoenas for his records?

Ryan Allar (02:25:44):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:25:44):

Do you remember what you searched?

Ryan Allar (02:25:49):

As far as Evans went, we searched ... He also was arrested due to his activities. We searched his cell phone, same deals I just described. We were looking for ties between him and the Strussions. Found none. We also took a couple weapons that he was known to carry and checked those ballistics against the bullets we recovered from the autopsy, and they were not from the same weapon.

Mr. Kinsler (02:26:27):

Did you do search warrants for things like his Google account, Snapchat, or TextNow?

Ryan Allar (02:26:32):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:26:33):

Any of that lead you to a connection between him and the Strussions?

Ryan Allar (02:26:37):

Absolutely none, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:26:38):

Now, you were asked about Tom Strussion having sex at the bar prior to the murders.

Ryan Allar (02:26:45):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:26:46):

Did you investigate? Did you develop any leads or any evidence that led you to believe that was somehow related to the murder?

Ryan Allar (02:26:54):

Yes, sir. We looked into that extensively. There was no connection to the murder in that incident whatsoever.

Mr. Kinsler (02:27:04):

You were asked about an FBI file on cross, correct?

Ryan Allar (02:27:06):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (02:27:07):

Am I to understand that that's the ... Did you testify that that was 20 years ago?

Ryan Allar (02:27:13):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:27:13):

And that was an investigation that Tom Strussion was involved in?

Ryan Allar (02:27:17):

Correct.

Mr. Kinsler (02:27:18):

Do you recall the year that took place?

Ryan Allar (02:27:19):

I believe it was in the early 2000s, sir. Maybe the late '90s. Exact date, I don't recall.

Mr. Kinsler (02:27:30):

And did you review that file?

Ryan Allar (02:27:32):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (02:27:33):

Did that develop any leads for you?

Ryan Allar (02:27:36):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:27:39):

You were asked about working with BCI.

Ryan Allar (02:27:41):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:27:42):

Did you, in fact, submit evidence in this case to BCI?

Ryan Allar (02:27:44):

A great amount of evidence, yes.

Mr. Kinsler (02:27:46):

For things like DNA and fingerprints?

Ryan Allar (02:27:48):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:27:49):

And our crime scene tech, Matt Austin, is from BCI?

Ryan Allar (02:27:52):

He is.

Mr. Kinsler (02:27:54):

And the reason for using Pure Gold was what?

Ryan Allar (02:28:02):

The employee technology that was not yet utilized by the State of Ohio.

Mr. Kinsler (02:28:08):

And what was that?

Ryan Allar (02:28:09):

The M-Vac system, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:28:20):

You were asked about Randy MacKendrick?

Ryan Allar (02:28:23):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (02:28:23):

You were aware that he was at Salsa Joe's shortly before the murders?

Ryan Allar (02:28:27):

Yes, sir, I was.

Mr. Kinsler (02:28:28):

Did you investigate that?

Ryan Allar (02:28:31):

Yes.

Mr. Kinsler (02:28:32):

Did you develop any leads that connected him to these murders?

Ryan Allar (02:28:35):

No, sir.

Mr. Kinsler (02:28:37):

No further questions, Your Honor.

Judge (02:28:39):

Any additional cross?

Mr. Shermansky (02:28:43):

Yes, Your Honor.

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When did you say BCI&I started to use M-Vac? It's 2020, isn't it? Or do you know?

Ryan Allar (02:28:58):

Sir, I stated that BCI does not utilize that, as far as my knowledge, and that's why we went to a different lab.

Mr. Shermansky (02:29:07):

Here's what I'm asking. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be cute with you, but do you know or do you not know if BCI used the M-Vac system as early as 2020?

Ryan Allar (02:29:21):

Sir, I've been advised by BCI that they did not utilize that technology.

Mr. Shermansky (02:29:26):

And when were you so advised, and by whom?

Ryan Allar (02:29:29):

By BCI, sir, repeatedly.

Mr. Shermansky (02:29:31):

So, they repeatedly told you, "We don't have an M-Vac,"?

Ryan Allar (02:29:34):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:29:35):

And when was that conversation? Was it before 2020?

Ryan Allar (02:29:40):

After, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (02:29:42):

That's all I have. Thank you.

Judge (02:29:44):

Any additional questions?

Mr. Kinsler (02:29:46):

No, Your Honor. Thank you.

Judge (02:29:47):

May this witness step back?

Mr. Kinsler (02:29:48):

Yes, Your Honor. Thank you.

Judge (02:29:48):

Thank you.

Ryan Allar (02:29:51):

Thank you.

Judge (02:30:17):

State of Ohio may call its next witness.

Mr. Kinsler (02:30:21):

Judge, subject to addressing the admission of exhibits, the state is resting at this time.

Judge (02:30:26):

Thank you, Mr. [inaudible 02:30:27]. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, it is 11:30. We are going to break for lunch. I need you back here about five 'til 1:00. You're on your own for lunch today. I was concerned about how late we would go this afternoon to make sure any of you who have not voted has the opportunity to vote. So, with an hour-and-a-half break for lunch, it's my hope that that gives you sufficient time, if you choose to vote, to go to your polling location and place your votes. About five 'til 1:00, be back here, and remember the orders of this court about discussing this case with anyone, doing any research about this case, posting anything online, as well as viewing any stories about this case. So, with those orders still in place, I'll see you back here about five 'til 1:00. All right. We are now outside the presence of the jury. I'll first start with the State of Ohio. What exhibits do you seek to be admitted into evidence?

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And if you could proceed in numerical order, I think that would make it easier for everyone.

Mr. Shermansky (02:32:31):

Judge, can we go off the record? Give us about maybe a few minutes to get some agreement here? We could do it maybe a little more expeditiously.

Judge (02:32:40):

I will give the parties that opportunity, and we'll address the other issues at that time as well.

Mr. Shermansky (02:32:45):

Thank you, sir.

Judge (02:32:45):

So, just advise the court when you're ready to proceed.

Mr. Shermansky (02:32:48):

Very well. Thank you.

Judge (02:32:49):

Court will be in recess at this time.

Judge (02:54:24):

All right. We are back on the record in State of Ohio v. Andrew Griffin. The parties are present and counsel. We're outside the presence of the jury. Mr. Vavra, Mr. Shamansky, have the parties reached an agreement as to what exhibits of the State are admissible?

Joe Vavra (02:54:40):

Judge, we do. We have an agreement as to what will be admitted and there are some objections to certain exhibits. And we have a list we're referencing that I believe you've been given a copy of. There are some things that are already struck out of this and that is because the State did not introduce them to begin with.

Judge (02:54:56):

All right. Well, let's start with what the parties are in agreement.

Joe Vavra (02:55:01):

So I'll work through this numerically, Judge. So one through 16 would all be in by agreement. Those are all BCI lab reports.

Mr. Shermansky (02:55:09):

All true, Your Honor.

Judge (02:55:11):

Okay.

Joe Vavra (02:55:14):

17, 17a, 18, 18a, 19, 19a. Basically everything through 20 to the end of 24 would be in by agreement.

Mr. Shermansky (02:55:25):

That's correct, Your Honor, and that goes all the way through middle of page four.

Joe Vavra (02:55:34):

All right. All three parts of 25 would be in by agreement.

Mr. Shermansky (02:55:38):

All correct, Your Honor. Actually, it's just fair to say, Judge, all the way down to page four is in.

Joe Vavra (02:55:46):

I mean, when we move then toward the physical evidence, Judge, anything that is not already crossed out from 26 until 60 would be in.

Mr. Shermansky (02:55:56):

All correct, sir.

Judge (02:56:04):

Okay.

Joe Vavra (02:56:05):

61 would be in by agreement.

Mr. Shermansky (02:56:09):

Your Honor, all of page six, it's not crossed out. Same with seven, right?

Joe Vavra (02:56:13):

Correct.

Mr. Shermansky (02:56:13):

And then we go all the way through page eight, Your Honor, and page nine, if that's okay with the Court. All that's admitted, including everything on pages 10 and 11, as well as 12, Judge, 13, 14.

Judge (02:56:34):

You're entering [inaudible 02:56:37]?

Mr. Shermansky (02:56:37):

Sorry. I'm thinking about getting some food in my stomach before.

Judge (02:56:40):

I understand. You're obviously excluding anything that already has a line through it.

Joe Vavra (02:56:45):

Yes, Judge.

Mr. Shermansky (02:56:46):

Yes, sir.

Judge (02:56:47):

So everything on 12 is admitted?

Mr. Shermansky (02:56:49):

Yep. Same with 13, Judge.

Judge (02:56:51):

Okay.

Mr. Shermansky (02:56:52):

14, 15, 16, 17, and 18, except obviously 136 has been lined out. You with me so far, Your Honor?

Judge (02:57:14):

I am. Thank you.

Mr. Shermansky (02:57:15):

That takes us to page 19. No objection to any of that. We then turn to page 20, Your Honor, and we do have an objection to number 140, which is the cold case financial report.

Joe Vavra (02:57:32):

That wasn't introduced yet.

Mr. Shermansky (02:57:34):

Okay, so we're good.

Joe Vavra (02:57:36):

[inaudible 02:57:35]. That'll be lined out.

Mr. Shermansky (02:57:37):

My bad. And then Judge, all of 20 is good. Yep.

Joe Vavra (02:57:41):

[inaudible 02:57:41] object to that as well.

Mr. Shermansky (02:57:43):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then we get to ...

Joe Vavra (02:57:44):

140C.

Mr. Shermansky (02:57:48):

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Judge, then at 140c, the PowerPoint, we object, and I'm going to give the same reasoning for all the PowerPoints that were prepared.

Judge (02:57:59):

140c, I thought that was ... Mr. Vavra, did I misunderstand you? I thought you were not seeking to ...

Mr. Shermansky (02:58:07):

No, that's 140, Judge. Cold case ...

Joe Vavra (02:58:08):

Yes. 140 was never introduced. That was actually a report. 140c was their PowerPoint.

Mr. Shermansky (02:58:15):

And Judge, my argument is the PowerPoints are not evidence. They're used during testimony to help the jury. And that would also apply to the PowerPoints used by Pure Gold Forensic. And we do not object, to be clear, to the reports. There's two reports from Pure Gold Forensic. Actually, there's a bunch of reports. I'm sorry.

Joe Vavra (02:58:39):

Yeah, and Pure Gold, they did not have a PowerPoint so that would be the next.

Mr. Shermansky (02:58:43):

Okay. And so 141f, the CV, Your Honor, I would object to. I would submit no evidentiary value.

Joe Vavra (02:58:50):

We did not, I don't believe, publish that to the jury, Judge, so we have no issue with that staying out.

Judge (02:58:55):

All right. So let's back up. You are objecting to the introduction of 140c. What's the State's position?

Joe Vavra (02:59:02):

Well, Judge, I think there's going to be a running objection to any of the PowerPoints and all we would ask, if we could possibly have the lunch hour to do a little research on that and address it before we start.

Mr. Shermansky (02:59:13):

Perfectly fair.

Judge (02:59:14):

Okay. So right now, we're at 140c. What's the next one?

Mr. Shermansky (02:59:19):

Well, then, Judge, we get into Pure Gold Forensic B is 141.

Joe Vavra (02:59:26):

Their report?

Mr. Shermansky (02:59:28):

Is that the report?

Joe Vavra (02:59:30):

So there is ... Yeah, because they had six reports.

Mr. Shermansky (02:59:36):

Okay. No objection to the six reports from Pure Gold, Judge.

Judge (02:59:39):

All right.

Joe Vavra (02:59:40):

The CV's out.

Mr. Shermansky (02:59:41):

CV's out. That takes us to FBI report PowerPoint. We'll deal with that after the research. And Your Honor, that would also apply to 144a. And then they're not going to introduce 144b, I don't think. We're objecting to it. We do seek to.

Judge (03:00:04):

Mr. Vavra?

Joe Vavra (03:00:04):

144b, we are not seeking to introduce that [inaudible 03:00:07].

Mr. Shermansky (03:00:07):

And the rest of that page is good, Your Honor.

Judge (03:00:09):

All right.

Mr. Shermansky (03:00:10):

Then we turn to page 22, Judge. Everything is good on there, except for 147 and 147a. Those were the photos of the defendant [inaudible 03:00:21], we objected to those when they were shown and the Court ruled and we're just renewing that objection.

Judge (03:00:28):

Are you seeking them to be admitted, Mr. Vavra?

Joe Vavra (03:00:30):

Yes, Judge.

Judge (03:00:31):

All right. The objection is noted, but the Court's previous ruling stands. They are admitted.

Mr. Shermansky (03:00:35):

Yes, sir. And then [inaudible 03:00:39] of page 22 is fine. And Your Honor, same with page 23. No problem.

Joe Vavra (03:00:47):

I'm sorry. And Judge, just on 22, 150 would not come in. That's a large number of wiretaps, basically all the wiretaps, and we are only introducing the six that were played.

Judge (03:01:00):

Mr. Shamansky?

Mr. Shermansky (03:01:02):

Yes. I'm sorry about that, Judge. So then we go 23, and then if you turn to 24, 25, no objection to any of that, Your Honor.

Joe Vavra (03:01:12):

25 is where you start the PowerPoints.

Mr. Shermansky (03:01:20):

Oh, yeah. The PowerPoints, Judge, we're going to, which we've already discussed. But the rest of it, no objection.

Judge (03:01:24):

Where is the PowerPoints?

Mr. Shermansky (03:01:25):

They're on page 25, Your Honor. Dillion, the analyst from BCI [inaudible 03:01:31].

Judge (03:01:30):

Okay.

Mr. Shermansky (03:01:31):

And that moves along pretty far into page 26. And again, we can discuss that when we come back from lunch. And then we get down to 157i, Your Honor. The tracking slide, also, we're going to object to.

Judge (03:01:53):

157 what?

Mr. Shermansky (03:01:54):

I, little I.

Judge (03:01:56):

Okay.

Mr. Shermansky (03:01:57):

And then after that, Judge, there are no further objections, but for 159, we had heard the admission of Stacy Griffin's immunity letter. I'm just renewing the objection and I think that covers everything.

Judge (03:02:14):

Are you seeking Ms. Griffin's immunity?

Joe Vavra (03:02:16):

No. We are not. I believe they were proffering.

Mr. Shermansky (03:02:19):

We did. Yeah, Mrs. Griffin. Great.

Judge (03:02:24):

Okay.

Mr. Shermansky (03:02:25):

Okay, great.

Joe Vavra (03:02:36):

No, just the one page is in. Yeah, 160 is in. 160a is out.

Judge (03:02:43):

All right. Then about five minutes till 1:00, again, I'll expect the argument from the State in regards to their admissibility ...

Joe Vavra (03:02:50):

Yes.

Judge (03:02:51):

In regards to the charge that was submitted to both parties on Friday.

Joe Vavra (03:03:13):

[inaudible 03:03:10]. They insert that stipulation at some point.

Mr. Shermansky (03:03:15):

That's fine. Judge, I think the corrections that we urge the Court to consider are agreed upon. And then we don't disagree with the government's request that the stipulation that you read earlier, the factual stipulation be included in there for the jury's reference given the volume of evidence they've got to consider.

Judge (03:03:31):

All right. Well, let's go through these and I think this can be accomplished without any great delay. What are the proposed changes?

Speaker 4 (03:03:38):

Thank you.

Katherine Clark (03:03:41):

Kate will give them to you, Judge.

Judge (03:03:42):

Okay.

Katherine Clark (03:03:48):

Thank you, Judge. We thought, I mean, this isn't a big issue, that the language regarding Mr. Griffin's silence comes a little early in the instruction. I think it's our preference that it be placed in the section about testimony of other witnesses.

Judge (03:04:04):

Where do you want it moved to?

Katherine Clark (03:04:04):

One moment, Your Honor.

Judge (03:04:24):

Okay.

Joe Vavra (03:04:24):

[inaudible 03:04:41]. Okay. And where is that? Okay.

Katherine Clark (03:04:53):

Your Honor, so right now it's on before the instructions for each of the counts and our preference would be that that section is moved following each specific element in all of the counts and closer to somewhere maybe on page eight, about the way the evidence and the credibility or believability of various witnesses goes to the jury and that it should be included around that section.

Judge (03:05:26):

So you mean prior to the last paragraph on page eight?

Katherine Clark (03:05:29):

Do you want prior or after?

Mr. Shermansky (03:05:32):

After, Your Honor.

Katherine Clark (03:05:33):

After.

Judge (03:05:37):

What's the State's position?

Joe Vavra (03:05:38):

We have no objection to that, Judge.

Judge (03:05:41):

All right. Next proposed change.

Katherine Clark (03:05:44):

One moment. Our next proposed change, Your Honor, is that count two contains a definition for purpose where purpose was previously defined. So we think that that should just read similarly to your other instructions that that element has been previously defined.

Judge (03:06:02):

The reason it's spelled out in its entirety is because it's a different victim. Because if you read purpose, the full definition in count one, I list Angela. In count two, we kept it in because I provide Thomas.

Mr. Shermansky (03:06:16):

That's fine, Your Honor.

Judge (03:06:17):

All right. So you're not seeking that change?

Mr. Shermansky (03:06:19):

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Yeah, we're fine. Doesn't make any difference.

Judge (03:06:20):

Okay. State's position?

Joe Vavra (03:06:23):

That's fine, Judge.

Judge (03:06:24):

Okay. Next proposed change.

Katherine Clark (03:06:26):

Counts one and two are labeled, whereas the remaining counts are not. We're just requesting some labeling. And I'm not sure how the government wishes to proceed with that, given that they're not counts one, two, three, four, and so on.

Judge (03:06:39):

We wrestled with that. And the reason we did that is count one aligns with verdict form one. Count two aligns with verdict form two. We have some counts that have been dismissed. And I thought that would create confusion if in the instructions we say, "The next count is count seven," but I'm willing to listen.

Mr. Shermansky (03:07:06):

So for consistency's sake, I guess ... So we have count one and count two labeled. The rest are not, right?

Katherine Clark (03:07:13):

Yeah.

Mr. Shermansky (03:07:13):

So you're going to label the rest of them numerically, three, four ... Does that make sense?

Judge (03:07:19):

No. What we've done is count one is verdict form one. So we say it's count one of the indictment. Count two is count two of the indictment. When the State dismissed those, I thought it would create confusion to a jury saying, "Next is count seven."

Mr. Shermansky (03:07:34):

Right. So if we renamed them, couldn't we just say, "Next one is count three, verdict form three. Count four, verdict form four"? Right?

Judge (03:07:41):

Even though it's not that count in the indictment.

Joe Vavra (03:07:44):

I think we're okay with that, Judge, because the verdict forms do say three, four, and five on where it says count. So I think to make sure it's clear that they line up, I think we're fine indicating ...

Judge (03:07:54):

Even though it's not that count.

Joe Vavra (03:07:56):

In the indictment. Yes. I think we've made it clear from the beginning what ... I mean, if we need to go on the record and indicate what count three and four and how it corresponds to the indictment, we can do that to make it sure it's clear on the record.

Judge (03:08:10):

Well, the only one I was worried about being confused is the jurors.

Mr. Shermansky (03:08:13):

No, and we get that. I think this solves a confusion problem, right? They're numerically ordered, they know what they're talking about, and they can conform to a verdict.

Judge (03:08:23):

So what language then? How do you want it changed?

Mr. Shermansky (03:08:27):

Just to number them. The remaining counts just be numbered numerically in order and then the verdict forms correspond to that, right?

Joe Vavra (03:08:36):

Yeah. No objection to that, Judge.

Judge (03:08:42):

Okay. Next change.

Katherine Clark (03:08:43):

Next is regarding count three. It includes inconsistent language. So the first paragraph includes reference to the "while" is fleeing immediately after committing or attempting to commit the offense.

Judge (03:09:00):

I'm sorry. What page are you on?

Katherine Clark (03:09:01):

I'm sorry, Judge. I am on page five.

Judge (03:09:06):

Okay.

Katherine Clark (03:09:10):

Regarding trespass and habitation. And then later in that same section, the "while" references aggravated arson rather than trespass. I believe those offenses shouldn't be interchangeable. It should be one or the other.

Judge (03:09:31):

That is from the previous count so that is a typo. That was a good catch. And your proposed change to that?

Katherine Clark (03:09:42):

I'm not sure if it should be trespass or arson. I can't remember the language in the indictment.

Mr. Shermansky (03:09:49):

Do you guys remember what it should be?

Joe Vavra (03:09:51):

It's trespass and habitation. We got rid of all of the arson ones.

Mr. Shermansky (03:09:54):

Okay, so just make it trespassing. There we go.

Judge (03:09:57):

So I'm swapping out aggravated arson and putting trespass ...

Mr. Shermansky (03:10:01):

And habitation.

Joe Vavra (03:10:03):

The same thing that's in the paragraph, a couple paragraphs above, right?

Katherine Clark (03:10:07):

Right.

Joe Vavra (03:10:07):

Yeah.

Judge (03:10:11):

That change is noted.

Katherine Clark (03:10:14):

Thank you, Judge. And then what I believe is count five, let me find what page this is. Page eight, occupied structure is listed as being previously defined. I don't think that we saw a previous definition so that just needs an OJI definition.

Judge (03:10:32):

And that may be left over for when we changed the original charge.

Katherine Clark (03:10:36):

Right.

Judge (03:10:37):

So that needs to be defined and we will do so.

Joe Vavra (03:10:38):

[inaudible 03:10:39]

Judge (03:10:43):

Any other proposed changes?

Katherine Clark (03:10:44):

And then lastly, Judge, we noticed that instructions from OJI regarding expert testimony and the State not being required to prove motive are not included.

Judge (03:10:54):

I did not include the motive because of the testimony the State presented, but I can include that.

Mr. Shermansky (03:11:08):

Yeah, I think it really wasn't ...

Katherine Clark (03:11:09):

[inaudible 03:11:10]

Mr. Shermansky (03:11:21):

We're fine, Judge.

Judge (03:11:23):

And I understand the instruction completely, but for the testimony, even though they're not required to, they have introduced motive.

Katherine Clark (03:11:31):

Right.

Judge (03:11:32):

So what's the State's position? Do you want that instruction saying that's not a requirement?

Joe Vavra (03:11:39):

I think, Judge, we would prefer that it be added.

Mr. Shermansky (03:11:42):

That's fine. We don't care.

Judge (03:11:45):

All right. And what was the one before that, Ms. Clark?

Katherine Clark (03:11:47):

Regarding expert testimony, the weighing of expert testimony.

Joe Vavra (03:11:54):

Right.

Judge (03:11:56):

Do you want me to look up that OJI or do you have one in particular you want?

Mr. Shermansky (03:12:02):

We're happy with the OJI. It's pretty boilerplate.

Judge (03:12:04):

Okay.

Katherine Clark (03:12:04):

Yeah.

Judge (03:12:05):

What's the State's position in regards to that?

Joe Vavra (03:12:08):

We have no objection, Judge.

Judge (03:12:09):

All right. Any additional changes, Ms. Clark?

Katherine Clark (03:12:12):

No, Your Honor. Thank you.

Judge (03:12:14):

All right. Does State have any proposed changes?

Joe Vavra (03:12:16):

I think the only thing we were going to ask, Judge, is that you include the one stipulation that was read into the record about the financial ...

Mr. Shermansky (03:12:28):

We're okay with that, Your Honor.

Joe Vavra (03:12:29):

Exchange or financial activity that occurred.

Judge (03:12:32):

Now, there was a lot of stipulations in regard to identifying Mr. Griffin and other things like that. Do you want my language to read, "While there were many stipulations between the parties, there was also this one"? And I'm just brainstorming off the top of my head.

Mr. Shermansky (03:12:49):

I think that's fine because this is a factual stipulation. We've agreed to it so I think that's perfect. You couch it and, "Hey, look. Most of this stuff was stipulated, but here is a factual stipulation to which the parties have agreed." Right?

Joe Vavra (03:13:03):

No issue with that, Judge.

Judge (03:13:04):

Okay. I can make that change. Any other changes from the State?

Joe Vavra (03:13:29):

Okay. Kevin said he brought up an issue with you on the bottom of page three, top of page four. And if you're okay with how it's worded right now, we are too.

Katherine Clark (03:13:37):

[inaudible 03:13:47]

Joe Vavra (03:13:51):

We're fine.

Mr. Shermansky (03:13:52):

Oh, yeah. We're fine. You okay with that?

Joe Vavra (03:13:55):

Yeah. We will. Yeah.

Katherine Clark (03:13:56):

[inaudible 03:13:57]

Mr. Shermansky (03:13:56):

What's the difference?

Katherine Clark (03:13:56):

[inaudible 03:13:58]

Mr. Shermansky (03:14:01):

We're fine with it, Judge.

Katherine Clark (03:14:02):

[inaudible 03:14:03]

Mr. Shermansky (03:14:04):

Yeah. We're good, Your Honor, it sounds like.

Judge (03:14:28):

Mr. Vavra, any proposed changes? Any additional changes? Let me rephrase that.

Joe Vavra (03:14:33):

No, Judge.

Judge (03:14:35):

All right. And lastly, I already raised this with the parties. The firearm specification verdict form, if you follow OJI, it says, "And used a firearm." If you look at the specific section of the Ohio revised code, it's an "or." Now not splitting hairs, but there's a big difference between an "or" and an "and." But this is the OJI instruction.

Mr. Shermansky (03:15:03):

We're happy with the "and," Your Honor.

Joe Vavra (03:15:05):

Yeah, we're fine with how it is listed, Judge.

Judge (03:15:08):

Okay. So no other changes?

Mr. Shermansky (03:15:10):

Nope.

Joe Vavra (03:15:10):

No.

Judge (03:15:11):

All right. Any other issues the State needs to address?

Joe Vavra (03:15:15):

No, Judge.

Judge (03:15:16):

Mr. Shamansky?

Mr. Shermansky (03:15:18):

Unfortunately. First of all, let me make the garden-variety rule 29 to all counts contained in the indictment with no further argument.

Judge (03:15:27):

Does the State wish to make an argument?

Joe Vavra (03:15:32):

Thank you, Judge. Yes, the State does believe that it has met its burden as to all elements based on the evidence that has been presented. We would ask that the Court overrule the motion.

Judge (03:15:41):

All right. The Court has heard all the testimony and the Court finds that the State has met its burden. Therefore, the defendant's oral motion for a judgment of acquittal is hereby overruled.

Mr. Shermansky (03:15:54):

And Your Honor, we have one other little, small issue. We're going to present, in five minutes or less, Ms. [inaudible 03:16:06] father, Eddie Cutrer. Or not father.

Katherine Clark (03:16:08):

Angela's father.

Mr. Shermansky (03:16:10):

Angela's father, forgive me. I get my people mixed up. And just ask him a few questions about a podcast that he did.

Judge (03:16:17):

Okay. So you do plan to present testimony?

Mr. Shermansky (03:16:21):

Yeah, just after Detective [inaudible 03:16:24] testimony, something struck us and we checked it out right quick. We're going to give about 100 words that are relevant to the government for them to consider over the lunch hour.

Judge (03:16:35):

Okay.

Mr. Shermansky (03:16:35):

And can we get a little extra time to get something to eat? I mean, I do want to add, Your Honor, how I'm not patting ourselves on the proverbial backs, but this has been about the most efficient trial. You ever been in a more efficient trial?

Joe Vavra (03:16:49):

It's been going pretty well.

Mr. Shermansky (03:16:52):

Oh, okay. This is about as efficient as it gets, and we'd just like a few minutes to maybe think about this additional evidence and maybe give us about five after 1:00 instead of 1:00 or somewhere around there.

Judge (03:17:02):

Sure. And is that enough time? Because I could even think 10 after.

Mr. Shermansky (03:17:05):

10 after would be more better, for sure.

Judge (03:17:07):

Any issues with that from the State?

Joe Vavra (03:17:09):

No, Judge. Yeah.

Judge (03:17:20):

I guess I ...

Joe Vavra (03:17:20):

Yeah, just be in the exhibits.

Mr. Shermansky (03:17:23):

We're good now, Your Honor. Thank you.

Judge (03:17:26):

And again, I don't know if I was clear. The State isn't seeking anything in addition in the charge?

Joe Vavra (03:17:30):

Nothing additional, Judge. No.

Judge (03:17:32):

Okay. Do the parties want the script to the jury included as an exhibit? Because it needs to be in the record, should the Court of Appeals need to look at this case.

Joe Vavra (03:17:46):

What script, Judge?

Judge (03:17:47):

The jury view. Court Exhibit 36.

Joe Vavra (03:17:52):

No, Judge, that doesn't need to go back to them. The script from the jury.

Mr. Shermansky (03:17:55):

Oh, no, Your Honor. No, no, no, no. Yeah, and we have already agreed that that script is appropriate, right?

Joe Vavra (03:17:59):

Yeah, but they don't need it.

Mr. Shermansky (03:18:01):

No. Yeah, no. No. Not for the jury.

Judge (03:18:02):

Okay. Then the Court will be in recess at this time.

Mr. Shermansky (03:18:02):

Thanks, Judge. Did he email it to you?

Katherine Clark (03:18:02):

Do you guys have this video or do you want me to send it?

Speaker 5 (03:24:00):

(silence)

Judge (04:16:35):

We're back on the record in State of Ohio versus Andrew Griffin. Mr. Griffin is present in the courtroom with his counsel. State of Ohio is present and the jury is present in the courtroom. I would ask the jurors to raise your hand if you had any issues at all following the orders of this court during our lunch recess. No one has raised their hand. Mr. Vavra, the state has rested their case in chief, correct?

Joe Vavra (04:17:00):

Yes, sir.

Judge (04:17:03):

Thank you. Mr. Shamansky.

Mr. Shermansky (04:17:04):

Thank you, Your Honor. Mr. Cutrer, please. I'll get him. Sir, come on, please.

Eddie Cutrer (04:17:12):

Thank you. [inaudible 04:17:20].

Speaker 6 (04:17:24):

Yes. Can you step in here and raise your right hand please? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give will be the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Eddie Cutrer (04:17:38):

Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (04:17:38):

[inaudible 04:17:38]

Judge (04:17:38):

Sir, I'm going to ask you that question again. Do you object to being filmed?

Eddie Cutrer (04:17:39):

No.

Judge (04:17:45):

Mr. Shamansky, when you are ready to proceed, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (04:17:47):

Thank you. Mr. Cutrer, forgive me for mispronouncing your name. I'm sorry.

Eddie Cutrer (04:17:51):

You're not the first.

Mr. Shermansky (04:17:52):

Yeah. You hear me okay?

Eddie Cutrer (04:17:54):

I can.

Mr. Shermansky (04:17:56):

And again, I apologize that you're having to go through this and that I'm having to call you, but I'm going to make it quick.

Eddie Cutrer (04:18:01):

Okay.

Mr. Shermansky (04:18:02):

You participated in a podcast, I think around May 12th of 2023?

Eddie Cutrer (04:18:08):

Yes.

Mr. Shermansky (04:18:09):

And correct me if I'm wrong, but there was no sinister motive there. You're just trying to do whatever you could, I'm assuming, to move this along, right?

Eddie Cutrer (04:18:20):

Absolutely.

Mr. Shermansky (04:18:21):

Okay. And so I'm going to ask you about a couple, rather than play these portions, just a few things I want to ask you about. You advised Mr. Bradley, who was the host, that these unfortunate events were in the evening. And you said, "We've been told their estimate is between 11:00 PM and 4:00 AM," right?

Eddie Cutrer (04:18:45):

Correct.

Mr. Shermansky (04:18:46):

And then you went on to describe that your daughter was sitting on the couch, right?

Eddie Cutrer (04:18:52):

Yes.

Mr. Shermansky (04:18:53):

And then you told Mr. Bradley, or did you tell him that they could tell from her vaping and her Olay Ultra, she was sitting there on the end of the couch?

Eddie Cutrer (04:19:06):

That's what I was told, yes.

Mr. Shermansky (04:19:07):

Yes, sir. And Tom apparently was on the other end of the couch. We're not sure, right?

Eddie Cutrer (04:19:12):

Correct.

Mr. Shermansky (04:19:13):

And we're not sure you indicated they couldn't tell who was executed first, but it was both in the very same manner, two to the body and one to the head?

Eddie Cutrer (04:19:23):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (04:19:25):

You indicated that, "And then they set that fire. Again, we don't know if it was an intentional fire just to make the evidence collection more difficult or if they had planned on the entire house burning down."

Eddie Cutrer (04:19:36):

That's correct.

Mr. Shermansky (04:19:37):

Then you went on to indicate, sir, that either three or four locations had been set, one in a closet, which was, I guess, the most successful of the fires because it burned the floor you could see down into the basement and it started to go up to the second floor, but it never burned up into the second floor, correct?

Eddie Cutrer (04:19:55):

Correct.

Mr. Shermansky (04:19:56):

And he went in and the smoke was so bad that he couldn't see anything, and somehow he found, he and was able to pull her body out. And you discussed that, that the smoke was really terrible, right?

Eddie Cutrer (04:20:10):

Yes.

Mr. Shermansky (04:20:11):

And that was, again, a podcast that you participated in back in 2023?

Eddie Cutrer (04:20:16):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Shermansky (04:20:16):

Thank you, sir. That's all I have.

Judge (04:20:17):

Mr. Vavra?

Joe Vavra (04:20:22):

We have no questions, Judge.

Mr. Shermansky (04:20:24):

Judge, that would conclude the presentation of our evidence.

Judge (04:20:26):

Hold on one second. You are excused, sir. You may step down. Mr. Shamansky?

Mr. Shermansky (04:20:57):

Your Honor, nothing further. Thank you, sir. And we would rest.

Judge (04:21:00):

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, both parties have rested at this time. I'm going to have to excuse you for a short period of time. There's a couple more issues that the parties need to resolve. When you will be brought back in here, you will receive your final instructions of law from me, and you'll hear the closing arguments of the parties. At the conclusion of that, you will begin your deliberations.

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So if you will follow Mr. Gortz. I'm going to ask you to return to your jury room. All right. We are still on the record and outside the presence of the jury. Mr. Vavra, is state prepared to make its arguments in regards to the disputed exhibits and the reason for their admission?

Joe Vavra (04:22:16):

Judge, at this point, the state essentially has no argument to make with respect to those. We did our case law research and it's our understanding that those should not be admitted as exhibits. So we will make no argument and we have no objection to the defense's objection to those being made exhibits.

Judge (04:22:46):

All right. And Mr. Vavra, I'm looking at my notes. Do you have a list of what those items are?

Joe Vavra (04:23:01):

Judge, my understanding, and defense can correct me if I'm wrong, but 140C would not be admitted. 142 would not be admitted. 144A would not be admitted.

Mr. Shermansky (04:23:19):

Agree so far, Your Honor.

Joe Vavra (04:23:22):

And then-

Mr. Shermansky (04:23:23):

Did you say B also? Oh, we already kept up the C. My bad.

Joe Vavra (04:23:28):

157, 157A, 157B, 157C, 157D, 157E, 157FFFF, 157G, 157H, and 157I. And I believe that's the extent.

Mr. Shermansky (04:23:54):

Agreed, Your Honor.

Judge (04:23:55):

All right. And in regards to the proffer of Exhibit 159, what's the state's position?

Joe Vavra (04:24:06):

Judge, we have no objection to that being proffered for the purpose for which the defense has set forth.

Judge (04:24:14):

All right. Then the parties have reached a complete agreement as to all exhibits. Is that a correct statement, Mr. Vavra?

Joe Vavra (04:24:20):

Yes, Judge. I believe it is.

Judge (04:24:22):

Mr. Shamansky?

Mr. Shermansky (04:24:22):

It is, sir.

Judge (04:24:24):

All right. Then we are to the charge in the verdict forms. Those changes that the parties had requested are being made. The court's going to be in recess for a short period of time. If the parties can come to chambers and receive their copy, I will give you adequate time to review them, or I can get a copy and we can go right... Thanks. State wish to make an argument.

Joe Vavra (04:25:04):

Judge, we believe the same should be overruled. We believe that given the lower level of burden with respect to that motion, the state has met that burden.

Judge (04:25:13):

And once again, having reviewed all of the evidence, I do find that the state has met its burden. Therefore, defendant's oral motion for a judgment of acquittal is overruled. The parties have a preference on how they review those changes to the charge?

Joe Vavra (04:25:30):

The state's preference would be to do it in chambers, Judge.

Mr. Shermansky (04:25:32):

That's fine, Judge.

Judge (04:25:33):

Okay. Then the court will be in recess at this time.

Judge Berhalter (04:43:54):

All right, we're back on the record. State of Ohio versus Andrew Griffin. Mr. Griffin is present in the courtroom and his counsel. State of Ohio is present. We are outside the presence of the jury. I met with the parties in chambers to review the revisions to the charge and the verdict forms. Mr. Vavra, any issues?

Attorney Vavra (04:44:13):

No, Judge.

Judge Berhalter (04:44:14):

Mr. Shamansky?

Attorney Shamansky (04:44:16):

None whatsoever, Your Honor. Thank you.

Judge Berhalter (04:44:17):

Okay. Then, Mr. Vavra, at the request of the parties, the charge and the verdict forms treat counts III, IV, and V as counts III, IV, and V in the indictment. Does the state need to address that?

Attorney Vavra (04:44:33):

Yes, Judge. Just for clarity of the record, based upon the numbering of those in the charge and verdict forms, the state's position would be that count VII in the indictment is now count III in the forms, count VIII in the indictment would be count IV, and now count XIII in the indictment would be count V.

Attorney Shamansky (04:44:54):

We fully agree, Your Honor. Thank you.

Judge Berhalter (04:44:56):

All right. With that said, any other issues?

Attorney Vavra (04:45:00):

No, Judge.

Judge Berhalter (04:45:03):

Mr. Shamansky?

Attorney Shamansky (04:45:03):

Good, sir. Thank you.

Judge Berhalter (04:45:04):

All right. Mr. Gorns, can you come here for a minute? All presiding jurors are going to get a copy of that. All 14 are going to get a copy of that before they come in.

Mr. Gorns (04:45:17):

Yes.

Judge Berhalter (04:45:20):

And then bring them in when you're ready.

Mr. Gorns (04:45:24):

Okay.

Judge Berhalter (04:45:24):

And, Mr. Gorns, they're going to bring that in with them.

Mr. Gorns (04:45:25):

Okay.

Speaker 7 (04:45:25):

[inaudible 04:45:54].

Attorney Shamansky (04:45:25):

[inaudible 04:46:34].

Judge Berhalter (04:47:43):

Everyone, please be seated.

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Members of the jury, the time has now arrived in this case when it becomes the duty of this court to instruct you as to the issues in this case and also to instruct you as to the rules of law, which shall govern you in your deliberations. I'm going to be explaining the law that you must follow here. You all have a copy of that called the Charge to the Court, and you can read along with me. I'm going to give you some of those instructions now. Then the parties are going to deliver their closings arguments, and then I'll resume these instructions.

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The grand jury returned an indictment against the defendant, Andrew Isaac Griffin, to the charges that have been set forth in the indictment. The defendant has entered a plea of not guilty and such plea puts in issue and denies each and every material element of the charge contained in the indictment. The fact that this indictment was returned against the defendant creates no presumption whatsoever of his guilt. An indictment itself is a mere formal accusation required by law before a defendant can be placed on trial. The indictment in this case is not evidence.

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Under the law, the defendant is presumed to be innocent of the charges, and this presumption of innocence continues and abides with him until you, after a full, fair, candid, and honest investigation of all the evidence, facts, and circumstances, find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt is present when the jurors, after they have carefully considered and compared all the evidence, cannot say they are firmly convinced of the truth of the charges. It is a doubt based on reason and common sense. Reasonable doubt is not mere possible doubt because everything relating to human affairs is open to some possible or imaginary doubt. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is proof of such character that an ordinary person would be willing to rely and act upon it in the most important of her or his own affairs.

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Guilty: If you find the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt all of the essential elements of any one or more of the offenses charged in the separate counts in the indictment, your verdict must be guilty as to such offense or offenses according to your findings.

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Not guilty: If you find that the state failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt any one of the essential elements of any one or more of the offenses charged in the separate counts in the indictment, your verdict must be not guilty as to such offense or offenses according to your findings.

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Consider the count separately. The charges set forth in each count in the indictment constitute a separate and distinct matter. You must consider each count and the evidence applicable to each count separately, and you must state your findings as to each count uninfluenced by your verdict as to any other count. The defendant may be found guilty or not guilty of any one or all of the offenses charged.

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Accomplice testimony: The testimony of an accomplice does not become inadmissible because of his complicity, moral turpitude, or self-interest, but the admitted or claimed complicity of a witness may affect his credibility and may make his testimony subject to grave suspicion and require that it be weighed with great caution. It is for you as jurors, in light of all the facts presented to you from the witness stand, to evaluate such testimony and to determine its quality and worth or its lack of quality and worth.

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I will now call your attention to the specific provisions of law under which this indictment is brought. The defendant is charged in the indictment with five separate crimes. The defendant is charged in count I of the indictment with aggravated murder. Before you can find the defendant guilty, you must find beyond a reasonable doubt that on or about September 20th of 2021 through September 21st, 2021, in Belmont County, Ohio, the defendant purposely, and with prior calculation and design, caused the death of Angela Jo Strussion.

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Purposely: Purpose is an essential element of the offense of aggravated murder. A person acts purposely when it is his specific intention to cause a certain result. It must be established in this case that at the time in question, there was present in the mind of the defendant a specific intention to cause the death of Angela Jo Strussion. Purpose is a decision of the mind to do an act with a conscious objective of producing a specific result. To do an act purposely is to do it intentionally and not accidentally. Purpose and intent mean the same thing. The purpose with which a person does an act is known only to himself unless he expresses it to others or indicates it by his conduct. The purpose with which a person does an act or brings about a result is determined from the manner in which it is done, the means used, and all the other facts and circumstances in evidence.

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Deadly weapon: If a wound is inflicted upon a person with a deadly weapon in a manner calculated to destroy life, the purpose to cause the death may be, but it's not required to be, inferred from the use of the weapon. The inference, if made, is not conclusive.

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Prior calculation and design: Prior calculation and design means that the purpose to cause the death was reached by a definite process of reasoning in advance of the homicide, which the process of reasoning must have included a mental plan involving studied consideration of the method and the means with which to cause the death. To constitute prior calculation, there must have been sufficient time and opportunity for the planning of an active homicide, and the circumstances surrounding the homicide must show a scheme designed to carry out the calculated decision to cause the death. No definite period of time must collapse and no particular amount of consideration must be given, but acting on the spur of the moment or after momentary consideration of the purpose to cause the death is not sufficient.

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Causation: Cause is an essential element of the offense of aggravated murder. Cause is an act which directly produces the death of another, and without it, it would not have occurred.

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In summary, if you find the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt all of the essential elements of aggravated murder as alleged on or about September 20th, 2021 through September 21st, 2021 with the victim being Angela Jo Strussion, your verdict must be guilty as charged. However, if you find that the state failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt each and every one of the essential elements of that offense, then your verdict must be not guilty.

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If your verdict is guilty of aggravated murder, it is your duty to then deliberate further and decide the firearm specification. A specification is an additional finding made by the grand jury arising out of the alleged facts of the offense charged in the indictment. If you found the defendant not guilty of aggravated murder, you will not consider the specification. If you have fathomed, excuse me, you will separately decide whether the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant had a firearm on or about his person or under his control while committing the offense and displayed the firearm, brandished the firearm, indicated possession of the firearm, or used the firearm to facilitate the commission of the offense.

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Firearm is defined as any deadly weapon capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustionable propellant. Firearm includes an unloaded firearm and any firearm that is inoperable but that can readily be rendered operable. Capable of expelling or propelling: When deciding whether a firearm is capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosion or combustionable propellant, you may rely upon circumstantial evidence including, but not limited to, the representations and actions of the individual exercising control over the firearm.

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Deadly weapon: Deadly weapon means any instrument, device, or thing capable of inflicting death, and designed or specially adapted for use as a weapon, or possessed, carried, or used as a weapon.

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On or about his person or under his control: The firearm was on the defendant's person or so near the defendant as to be conveniently accessible and within the defendant's immediate physical reach.

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Brandish: To waive or exhibit in a menacing or challenging manner. Possession, a voluntary act if the possessor knowingly procured or received a firearm or was aware of his control thereof for a sufficient period of time to have ended his possession.

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The defendant is charged in count II of the indictment with aggravated murder. Before you can find the defendant guilty, you must find beyond a reasonable doubt that on or about September 20th, 2021 through September 21st, 2021 in Belmont County, Ohio, the defendant purposely, and with prior calculation and design, caused the death of Thomas Steed Strussion.

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Purposely: Purpose is an essential element of the offense of aggravated murder. A person acts purposely when it is his specific intention to cause a certain result. It must be established in this case that at the time in question there was present in the mind of the defendant a specific intention to cause the death of Thomas Steed Strussion. Purpose is a decision of the mind to do an act with a conscious objective of producing a specific result. To do an act purposely is to do it intentionally and not accidentally. Purpose and intent mean the same thing. The purpose with which a person does an act is known only to himself unless he expresses it to others or indicates it by his conduct. The purpose with which a person does an act or brings about a result is determined from the manner in which it is done, the means used, and all the other facts and circumstances in evidence.

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Deadly weapon was previously defined. Prior calculation and design, as previously defined. Causation, as previously defined.

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In summary, if you find that the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt all of the essential elements of the offense of aggravated murder as alleged on or about September 20th, 2021 through September 21st, 2021 with the victim being Thomas Steed Strussion, your verdict must be guilty as charged. However, if you find that the state failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt each and every one of the essential elements of that offense, then your verdict must be not guilty.

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If your verdict is guilty of aggravated murder, it is your duty to deliberate further and decide the firearm specification. Again, a specification is an additional finding made by the grand jury arising out of the alleged facts of the offense charged in the indictment. If you found the defendant not guilty of aggravated murder, you will not consider the specification.

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If found guilty, you will separately decide whether or not the state has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant had a firearm on or about his person or under his control while committing the offense and displayed the firearm, brandished the firearm, indicated possession of the firearm, or used the firearm to facilitate the commission of the offense.

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Firearm, as previously defined. Capable of expelling or propelling, as previously defined. Deadly weapon, as previously defined. On or about his person or under his control, as previously defined. Brandish, as previously defined. Possession, as previously defined.

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The defendant is also charged in count III of the indictment with aggravated murder. Before you can find the defendant guilty on this count, you must find beyond a reasonable doubt that on or about September 20th, 2021 through September 21st of 2021 in Belmont County, Ohio, the defendant purposely caused the death of Angela Jo Strussion while committing, attempting to commit, or while fleeing immediately after committing, or attempting to commit the offense of trespass in a habitation when a person is present or likely to be present. Purposely, as previously defined. Causation, as previously defined.

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To find the defendant guilty of aggravated murder, you must also find beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant caused the death of Angela Jo Strussion while committing, attempting to commit, or while fleeing immediately after committing, or attempting to commit the offense of trespass in a habitation when a person is present or likely to be present.

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While committing or attempting to commit or while fleeing immediately after committing or attempting to commit means that the death must occur as part of the acts leading up to or occurring during or immediately after the commission of trespass in a habitation and that the death was directly associated with the commission or flight immediately after the commission of trespass in a habitation. The term while does not indicate that the killing must occur at the same instant as the underlying trespass in a habitation or that the killing must have caused it, but rather indicates that the killing must be associated with it as part of one continuous occurrence.

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Attempt occurs when one purposely does anything that is an act constituting a substantial step in a course of conduct planned to culminate in his commission of the offense. To constitute a substantial step, the conduct must be strongly corroborative of the actor's criminal purpose. Trespass, without privilege to do so, knowingly entered on the land or premises of Angela Jo and Thomas Steed Strussion.

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Privilege. Privilege means an immunity, a license, or a right conferred by law bestowed by expressed or implied grant or arising out of status, position, office, or relationship or growing out of necessity.

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Land or premises. Land or premises includes any land, building, structure-

Judge Berhalter (05:06:00):

... land or premises includes any land, building, structure, or place belonging to, controlled by, or in the custody of another, including a public agency, and any separate enclosure or room or portion thereof. Habitation is defined as a place where a person lives. Likely to be present. In deciding whether persons are likely to be present, the defendant's knowledge or belief is not relevant. In summary, if you find that the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt all of the essential elements of aggravated murder as alleged on or about September 20th of 2021 through September 21st, 2021, with the victim being Angela Jo Strussion, your verdict must be guilty as charged. However, if you find that the state failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt each and every one of the essential elements of that offense, then your verdict must be not guilty. If your verdict is guilty of aggravated murder, it is your duty to deliberate further and decide the firearm specification.

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Once again, a specification is an additional finding made by the grand jury arising out of the alleged facts of the offense charged in the indictment. If you found the defendant not guilty of this aggravated murder, then you will not consider the specification. If you found the defendant guilty, you will separately decide whether the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant had a firearm on or about his person or under his control while committing the offense and displayed the firearm, brandished the firearm, indicated possession of the firearm, or used the firearm to facilitate the commission of the offense. Firearm as previously defined, capable of expelling or propelling as previously defined, deadly weapon as previously defined, on or about his person or under his control as previously defined, brandished as previously defined, possession as previously defined. The defendant is also charged in count four of the indictment with aggravated murder. Before you can find the defendant guilty on this count, you must find beyond a reasonable doubt that on or about September 20th of 2021 through September 21st of 2021 in Belmont County, Ohio, the defendant purposely caused the death of Thomas Steed Thomas while committing, attempting to commit, or while fleeing immediately after committing or attempting to commit the offense of trespass in a habitation when a person is present or likely to be present. Purposely, as previously defined, causation as previously defined, and to find the defendant guilty of aggravated murder, you must also find beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant caused the death of Thomas Steed Strussion while committing, attempting to commit, or while fleeing immediately after committing or attempting to commit the offense of trespass and a habitation when a person is present or likely to be present. While as previously defined, attempt as previously defined, trespass as previously defined, habitation as previously defined and likely to be present as previously defined.

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In summary, if you find that the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt all of the essential elements of this offense of aggravated murder as alleged on or about September 20th of 2021 through September 21st of 2021, with the victim being Thomas Steed Strussion, your verdict must be guilty as charged. However, if you find that the state failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt each and every one of the essential elements of that offense, then your verdict must be not guilty. If your verdict is guilty of aggravated murder, it is your duty to deliberate further and decide the firearm specification. Again, a specification is an additional finding made by the grand jury arising out of the alleged facts of the offense charged in the indictment.

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If you found the defendant not guilty of aggravated murder, you will not consider this specification. If you have found him guilty, you will separately decide whether the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant had a firearm on or about his person or under his control while committing the offense and displayed the firearm, brandished the firearm, indicated possession of the firearm or used the firearm to facilitate the commission of the offense. Firearm as previously defined, capable of expelling or propelling as previously defined, deadly weapon as previously defined, on or about his person or under his control as previously defined, brandish as previously defined, possession as previously defined. The defendant is charged in count five of the indictment with aggravated arson.

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Before you can find the defendant guilty, you must find beyond a reasonable doubt that on or about September 20th of 2021 through September 21st of 2021 in Belmont County, Ohio, the defendant by means of fire knowingly caused physical harm to any occupied structure. Knowingly as previously defined, causation as previously defined, physical harm to property means any tangible or intangible damage to property that in any degree results in loss of its value or interferes with its use or enjoyment, physical harm to property that does not include wear or tear occasioned by normal use. Occupied structure, the occupied structure means any house, building, outbuilding, watercraft, aircraft, railroad car, truck, trailer, tent, or other structure, vehicle or shelter or any portion thereof which is maintained as a permanent or temporary dwelling even though it is temporarily unoccupied and whether or not any person is actually... In summary, if you find that the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt all of the essential elements of the offense of aggravated arson as alleged on or about September 20th of 2021 through September 21st, 2021, your verdict must be guilty as charged.

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However, if you find that the state failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt each and every one of the essential elements of that offense, then your verdict must be not guilty. Motive. Proof of motive is not required. The presence or absence of motive is one of the circumstances bearing upon either purpose or knowledge. When an act is a crime, a good motive or purpose is not a defense. Expert witness. You have heard testimony from several people during the course of this trial that were designated as an expert. Generally, normally a witness may not express an opinion. However, one who follows a profession may express an opinion because of that person's education, knowledge and experience.

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Such testimony is admitted for whatever assistance it may provide to help you to arrive at a just verdict. Opinion not based on a hypothetical question. Questions have been asked of the expert after the expert disclosed the underlying facts or data. It is for you, the jury to decide whether... or data on which the expert based the opinions are true and you will decide the weight to give such evidence, the weight of expert testimony. On you alone rest the duty of deciding what weight to give to the testimony of the expert. In deciding its weight, consider the expert's skill, experience, knowledge, veracity and familiarity with the facts of this case and the usual rules for testing credibility and deciding the weight to give to the testimony.

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You have heard me use the word evidence in these instructions. So at this time I want to explain what that word means and includes and what it does not conclude. Evidence is the testimony received from the witnesses and the exhibits admitted into evidence during the trial in this case and any stipulations between the parties. Evidence may be direct or circumstantial. Direct evidence is a testimony given by a witness who has seen or heard the facts to which he or she testifies. Circumstantial evidence is proof of facts and circumstances by direct evidence from which you may reasonably infer other related or connected facts which naturally and logically follow according to the common experience of humankind. To infer or to make an inference is to reach a reasonable conclusion of a fact which you may make but are not required to make from other facts which you find have been established by direct evidence.

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Whether an inference is made rests solely with you. You may not make one inference from another inference, but you may draw more than one inference from the same facts or circumstances. The opening statements and closing arguments of counsel are designed to assist you, but they are not evidence. The indictment returned against the defendant in this case is also not evidence. You are the sole judges of all questions of fact in this case, the weight of the evidence and the credibility or believability of the various witnesses. In determining the credibility or believability of the various witnesses who appeared before you, you will determine whether or not they have any interest in this case. You will note their appearance upon the witness stand, whether or not they are biased or prejudiced in any respect, determine their knowledge of things concerning which stand testified, whether or not their testimony can be harmonized with the other testimony in the case and take into consideration any other facts or circumstances which may have a bearing upon the credibility of the witness.

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The defendant did not testify. It is not necessary the defendant take the witness stand in his own defense. He has a constitutional right not to testify. The fact that he did not testify must not be considered for any purpose. It is for you as jurors in light of all the facts presented to you from the witness stand to evaluate such testimony and determine the quality or worth or its lack of quality or worth. Certain exhibits have been offered and admitted into evidence. You will have these exhibits with you in the jury room and it will be your privilege to examine them as they are evidence in this case.

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Additionally, the parties have entered into stipulations. These are to be considered by you as an established fact. This includes but is not limited to that the parties agreed and stipulated that there was only one bank transaction that occurred between the dates of September 19th to the 21st, 2021 utilizing any Arvest account and that that transaction was on September 20th, 2021 at a Shell gas station in Hugo, Oklahoma. You may not discuss or consider the subject of punishment. Your duty is confined to the determination of the guilt or innocence of the defendant. At this time, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the parties may have a closing argument to present to you. Mr. Vavra?

Mr. Vavra (05:19:46):

Yes, Judge.

Judge Berhalter (05:19:47):

You may proceed.

Mr. Vavra (05:19:48):

May I approach?

Judge Berhalter (05:19:49):

Yes.

Mr. Vavra (05:19:54):

May it please the court, counsel for defense, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Normally in closing argument, I will talk to you about the specific crimes and elements of the offense and how they apply to the facts of the case. And I'm not going to do that here because the judge just talked about that. And also I think from the evidence, it's pretty clear as we've told you from the beginning that these things happened. These crimes were committed. It is not a question of whether they were committed. The only question is who committed these heinous crimes.

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The state's case, as I told you last week, is based on factual anomalies, fact-based, indisputable data related evidence, guilty knowledge and corroborated witness testimony. Last week, the defense's theory of the case was that this was some grand conspiracy to paint Andrew Griffin as the ball guy for these crimes. I'm going to talk about the crimes and we will then talk about how we got there. On the night of September 20th, 2021, Angela Strussion was at home on her couch drinking. There was a beer by her. Sometime that evening, a little after 10:00, Tom Strussion arrives home.

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What they didn't know was that Andrew Griffin was lying in wait in the woods behind the home. The woods that you all saw when you visited, the woods that he told Brett told he waited in for them to arrive home. He enters through the back door that was unlocked that he knew would be unlocked because that was common knowledge and he had lived in that house. He confronts Tom, asks him, "Where's the money?" Tom says, "There's no money." Tom is then shot in the upper back. Now, what that would indicate to me is that Tom perhaps turned around to go to his bedroom to get his loaded gun that was in the drawer that you all saw. But regardless, based on what we know from the autopsy, entry wound to his back, cowardly fashion. Even more cowardly is when Angela jumps up after the shot and then she's been shot three times in the head.

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Now, did it happen one shot, two shot, three shot? Perhaps that's got to be a pretty good shot and he'd probably have to shoot her as she's falling. Or did he shoot her once? She falls and he walks over and executes her with two more shots. That's one life snubbed out over money. He then returns to Tom, asks him where the money is, doesn't get the response he likes. Two more shots to Tom's head, execution style. Our second life is snubbed out over money. He then ransacks the house, makes it appear that this is a robbery or burglary gone wrong. He takes whatever money he can get his hands on. He then sets fire in three different locations in the house and attempts to set a fire in the kitchen on the oven that didn't ignite.

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He then leaves immediately and travels straight back to Oklahoma. Now we know what happened the next morning. We heard a lot of testimony about that. Mr. Stonebraker and Mr. Phillips get to the house. Front door is locked. All the windows aren't packed. There's sign of forced entry. Mr. Stonebraker breaks a window to try to assist in the front. They both end up going around in the back and they find that back door unlocked. They find Angela on the ground in the couch on the left. They do not find Tom. Tom was found later by Firefighter Rife who comes in and finds him near the couch that was towards the right.

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We then know that multiple firefighters entered the home. They used water that also contained bleach that keeps the water clean and that they took great effort, struck these fires out to try to figure out, try to help in any way if these people could still be safe. However, it was apparent that they had both been deceased for quite some time. When the fire marshal arrives and investigates, he finds that there's still water visible on the floor. He also finds a sense of bleach in the air. He then notes all the difficulties that occur when a fire is set in the home, the fire itself, the smoke, the soot, the water damage, the number of people walking to the scene. I think everyone testified that's not an ideal situation for a crime scene.

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The investigators knew that this was going to be difficult to obtain good evidence from the scene based on that. You heard the fire marshal also testify that this is a fire that had burned for quite some time, that it eventually lost oxygen and then also smoldered for quite some time. You heard the testimony of Matt Austin, his attempts to collect DNA, preserve any DNA, fingerprint evidence. You saw his photographs at the scene and what a mess it was. You saw the empty bank bags. You saw the deceased animals that, again, had no physical trauma, but had died of smoke inhalation. Again, indicating to us that this fire had gone on for quite some time.

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You heard Detective Ballard and Detective Blumling testify about the state's investigation and all the steps that they took and how they investigated a great number of theories, a great number of individuals, and how they kept coming up empty. You then heard some incidents that occurred that kind of changed things around and pointed them in a new direction. Initially they had clear... I shouldn't say clear. They didn't suspect Mr. Griffin because his phone was showing up in Oklahoma when they got the records. It wasn't until some incidents surrounding Brett Cole came to light that things changed and it's got nothing to do with what he told them. So that didn't happen until years later. It surrounded a phone call and a motorcycle.

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Before we get into that, the question sometimes arises. You heard the judge talk about motive. What was the motive here? You heard Dave McKenzie testify about the financial investigation that he conducted, that he can verify the defendant invested over $100,000 in this business. You heard other folks testify that the defendant told them he invested even more. This wasn't just the defendant's financial investment. This was his future. This was his retirement. You heard him talk about, talk to other individuals when they said that his plan wants to study here, manage here for a year, go back to Oklahoma, open restaurants there and try to open a whole chain of these restaurants with certain connections to Indian reservations and things like that. That was his plan. That was his future. That's what this was all about. However, when he returns to Ohio, West Virginia at the end of August 2021, he's called into a meeting with Tom Strussion and he is told, "Sorry, it's over. No more. We're done. We're out. Can't do anything more for them." He makes an offer to buy him out and that is ultimately turned down. Again, we're done. It's over. A few days later, he returns. His involvement with that business, his future, the plans to return to Oklahoma and open the chain are all gone. Now, I talked before about two things that changed the course of this investigation, and they both involve Brett Cole and they both involve things that he could not control that he had nothing to do with as far as giving investigators information. This was independently collected data-based evidence. And we're going to talk about some of that. Tell you what, I'll stand by the podium so I'm not going to go this way. The first thing is when the investigators discover through subpoenaing and executing search warrants on Brett Cole's Facebook is his purchase of a motorcycle on September 13th, 2021 when he reached out to Corey White on Facebook Marketplace, asked to meet, said he's coming from Talihina, talk about purchasing the bike. And Brett Cole asks, "Will it make a long trip?" Corey White responds, "Yes, bike's perfect. Come and get it." Talk about a price of $3,000. Mr. Cole tries to haggle him down a little bit and is not successful.

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Mr. Cole does talk about how his Duramax is empty on that date. He talks about going down to pick it up and what time he'll be down there. Mr. Cole asks him if he's got a clear title and yes, it's indicated he does. Then addresses are exchanged and he makes his way down there. You heard Mr. White testify about some concerns he had when this was going on. They didn't try to test drive this bike. They were acting a little odd, so he took photographs to protect himself. He testifies to the timestamps of each of these photographs. The first one at the top there is 3:23 PM Central Time. That's our photograph with Dalton Ray and the bike being loaded up. The next to the right there is the title, which is timestamp 3:28 Central Time. And then we've got the timestamp of 3:30 PM for the final photograph when it's being hauled away in Brett Cole's truck.

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Those times are important because we know from phone records that at the exact same time, Brett Cole is calling Andrew Griffin. At 3:12 PM, they talk for 59 seconds. At 3:23 PM for 50 seconds. At 3:37 PM, a minute 26. And at 3:39, one minute and 32 seconds. All four of those calls were registering off a tower near Mr. Griffin's known home in Whitesboro. So at the time that Cole is purchasing this bike, he is calling Andrew Griffin four times. And you also heard earlier or heard testimony that the form was filled out by Mr. White, but Mr. Cole gave him that information and Mr. Cole got that information from talking to Andrew Griffin. Now the name didn't lead anywhere, the address didn't lead anywhere, but the phone number is one digit off Andrew Griffin's known phone number. We talked a lot about the bank records and what that indicates where people are. We have an indication here. So on September 19th of 2021, Mr. Cole is making a purchase on his first United Bank account at a Walmart in Hugo. Meanwhile, the orange dot there is Andrew Griffin's known phone hitting off that tower. And that is on September 19th, 2021 at 7:20 PM. And we'll come back to that. At almost the same time, hundreds of miles away, on September 19, 2021, there's a purchase made at a Walmart in Marion, Illinois for a burner phone, a phone activation card, and a portable charger. That is purchased with cash at 5:05 PM and it first registers with that tower right outside of Walmart at 5:48 PM. It does receive one call at that point from Cricket Customer Support, which was who was servicing the phone.

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That phone, the registration for the phone is listed as a James Joby with an address in Knoxville, Tennessee. And that is State's Exhibit 19C. Now, the officers spent a lot of time investigating who James Joby was. Was he involved? Is he a real person? They went to the Tennessee address, could not find any indication of who James Joby was or whether he lived there. It wasn't until July of 2026 when Stacey Griffin told the officers, "Hey, I found a couple extra phones or a couple more phones in storage. Do you want them?" And the officer said, "Yeah, sure. Let's take a look at them." They have a Cellebrite extraction conducted, which you heard about. That's a copy of the phone. And on one of those phones, they go back in a Facebook contact of Mr. Griffin and find one James Joby.

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Now, based on the age of these phones, they know that these existed sometime prior to our murders. They were not current phones. They were older. They were older model iPhones, and this contact predates the murder. So this phone that was purchased at Walmart, 5:48 PM, it is activated. It then almost immediately begins traveling along the path straight to the state of Ohio. It hits in Louisville at 10:52, Cincinnati at 12:06, Columbus at 2:02, and finally gets to Belmont County at 3:43 AM. Meanwhile, Andrew Griffin's known phone is hitting all around the Hugo, Oklahoma area. And that purple dot or indication there in the house is the known address of Brett Cole in Hugo, Oklahoma.

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Now, the investigators, based on that phone's location data and their investigation into the motorcycle, believed that that phone and motorcycle would have crossed that bridge at some point. And this bridge had a camera. It had a license plate reader. They believed that they could pinpoint within minutes the exact time that bike would've passed. At first, you heard about how their search warrant did not return any results. However, after a new individual gets involved, they learn a little bit more about the system. They find the motorcycle crossing that bridge exactly at 10:52 PM on September 19th, 2021. Now, if there's any believability to the state's case whatsoever, this photo has to exist. And they were eventually able to get to it in January of 2026. Let's talk about this motorcycle. Corey White testified for you about what he recognized about this picture and this motorcycle. And I think you can see for yourself the similarities. One thing I would point out is it's very clear there is a backpack or some sort of pack obstructing the area where the license-

Mr. Vavra (05:40:00):

Backpack or some sort of pack obstructing the area where the license plate would be, which is exactly why the license plate was not read. No, it's exactly also what Brett Cole suggested to Mr. Griffin that he do to make sure that didn't happen.

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Now, again, Mr. White pointed out the stud pattern on those saddlebags appears to be exactly similar. He also talked about that back guard on the back of these saddlebags. Now these pictures on the left are pictures taken by Corey White at his house, right? These pictures on the right are a motorcycle crossing that bridge. He talked about the dual exhaust. He talked about the bars there in the front being similar, visible on both of our pictures. Texas, Louisville.

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He talked about the sissy bar being there and how we said it's obstructed with the backpack being there to hide where a license plate would go. If you look at the picture in Texas, you can

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see here where the license plate would be and you can see where it is obstructed in that picture. You can see the similarities to the front of the motorcycle. The windshield, very similar. You saw testimony from Corey White when he was actually shown the windshield that Detective Allar got from Brett Cole's house that looked similar or he recognized it to be his. Again, more similarities with our windshield. Similarities with the front of the bike. The helmet on the picture on the left is the helmet that Detective Allar secured from Brett Cole's house. Similar as far as the face guard, top. Here we see the back. Now, Attorney Shamansky asked Corey White and pointed out that you can't say this is 100% your bike. You can't say yes, this is exactly the same bike. And Corey White said, "No, I can't say it's exactly the same one, but it looks awfully a lot like it." And there's all these similarities between the two. But think about that. Corey White didn't know where we got this picture. What are the chances that our investigation leads us to this picture at 10:52 PM in Louisville, Kentucky, and it's the exact same bike or exact same looking bike that Corey White sold to Brett Cole.

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Now I want to talk about the helmet a little bit. You heard a lot of testimony about the DNA that was found in this helmet. Cybergenetics conducted testing. Cybergenetics is an independent private firm in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Because of their technology, they're not bound by the limitations of other agencies. They can look at everything, whereas some other agencies cannot do that. They work with both the government and defendants in different situations. Their investigation or their testing was done completely independent of any testing that Pure Gold did. The only thing that they relied on from Pure Gold was the evidence or data collection, the M-Vac that was done on the motorcycle helmet and those raw results as they call them. They didn't have anything to do with Pure Gold's reports. They didn't rely on the reports. They didn't review the reports and offer any criticisms. They relied on the results in that data and their testing.

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Their reports indicate that the DNA in that helmet compared against Andrew Griffin's DNA indicated that it was 85.6 million times more probable than a coincidental match to an unrelated African American person. 1.52 million times more probable than a coincidental match to a Caucasian person, 44.6 million times more probable than a coincidental match to an unrelated Southwest Hispanic person. And it had a match strength of 1.52 million, which is only one in 17 million people would match as strongly. 17 million, that's about five million more than the population of the state of Ohio.

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Now you heard some questioning from Attorney Shamansky to Ms. Bracamontes about the collection of this data. And they relied on the collection of this data and this raw data that Pure Gold collected and asked, "Well, you didn't collect this. You didn't do anything of this. You can't testify as to the reliability of this." And she couldn't. She didn't collect it. If only we had a witness here from Pure Gold who could have testified to that. Oh wait, we did. The witness prior. She was here from Pure Gold. She's the one who actually collected that data, that M-Vac. She's the one who provided it to Cybergenetics. If you recall, absolutely not a single question was asked of her about that data collection process.

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Absolutely not a single question was asked to her is whether there was any issue with that data collection or how it was provided to Cybergenetics. And you know that defense counsel had no issue grilling her about the other things because they asked her quite a bit about her reports and how that changed when she changed the data. But he posed the question to Ms. Bracamontes from Cybergenetics because he knew she cannot say, "Yeah, I took the stuff myself."

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As we sit here today, there's not a single shred of evidence to indicate to you all that there was any issue whatsoever with that M-Vac from the helmet, that data collection, or how that raw data was provided to Cybergenetics. Again, Pure Gold, Ms. Lacombe testified about her reports and what happened there. You all take that for what it's worth. The only thing I'm going to point out is her first report before it was modified later on, that report did not exclude Mr. Griffin. It might have leaned more towards that way, but did not exclude him. But the important thing to keep in mind is Cybergenetics was completely independent of any testing that Pure Gold did. And their results were reached by their system and how they processed the information themselves.

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Back to our phone purchased in Walmart at Marion, Illinois. Arrives in Ohio, or arrives in Belmont County, I should say, around 3:27 AM. And from that time moving forward, it travels further to our crime scene. The location indicator here is the address at Trails End Road in Belmont, Ohio. That phone is hitting all around that area from the time it gets there at 3:43 up until this leads us the latest time on this is 11:53 AM.

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Then moving forward, it is continuing to hit all around the same cell towers from 12:23 all the way to the latest time on this one is 6:32. It is using this area. This is where it is. It continues to be in that area. We're moving forward in time again from 7:00 PM headed towards midnight. It is all around that area until 11:37 PM. It then leaves and heads on a straight path west. 11:37, 11:42, 11:59, it's in Cambridge.

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Again, during our timeframe when we believe these murders took place, it is pinging off all towers in and around Trails End. The 11:37 ping, you see that we talked about the pie shape and what that means. 11:37, it is now pinging off the west side heading west. It then travels, as I indicated, and the evidence indicates, straight from Belmont, Ohio to Columbus at 12:58. It's in Cincinnati at 2:38, Louisville at 4:02, and down in Nashville at 4:44. Pretty straight path. It did not cross that same bridge again in Louisville because if it did, it would have gone west. Here we go south down into Kentucky instead of over in Indiana.

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Continues traveling, Nashville, Jackson, Tennessee. This is the piece of evidence. This is the anomaly that we're talking about that the FBI found. This call that this phone made, the only call that this phone made, Brett Cole, 7:03 AM Central Time, 24 seconds, makes that call. It's then back on the road to Memphis until its last recording ever in Benton, Arkansas at 10:40. It's either shut off or it dies and we have no further history on that phone.

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Now we talked about what happens. It calls Brett Cole at 7:03. Brett Cole places a call to Dalton Ray around 8:18 AM for one minute. And what did Brett Cole tell you yesterday? After he talked to Andrew, Andrew sent him a few hours out, he called Dalton Ray and said, "Hey, you want to go with me back to Andrew's, take his stuff back?" And at that point, Dalton Ray told him, "No, sir. I don't want anything to do with this."

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Now, our travel path ends in Benton, Arkansas as indicated at 10:40 AM. We talked, I talked in my opening and Ms. Dillion from UCI testified from Benton, Arkansas to Andrew Griffin's known home in Whitesboro, Oklahoma is a two hour and 50 minute drive. That's your fastest route to get straight there, right? Benton to Whitesboro, Oklahoma, Mr. Griffin's known address. 10:40 AM is the last interaction in Benton. So do the math, basically three hours out, right? 11:40, 12:40, 1:40, he should be home in Whitesboro.

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What you see here are Mr. Griffin's known phone and the activity that was going on on that date. At 12:24 and 7:05 and 7:19, there are texts to Stacey Griffin, outgoing, two outgoing, one incoming. At 8:06 AM, he has a call from Brad Hunter, goes to voicemail. 8:04, call from Diane McFarlane, his mother, goes to voicemail. Text from Heather Eddington at 9:53. Then he gets calls from Lisa Balog at 10:03, Jim Wakams at 10:32, Bill Hughes at 10:43, an unknown call at 11:03, Bill Hughes again at 11:13, a David Johnson at 11:13, a Whitney Lewis at 11:13, a Chris Elite Tire at 11:24.

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Another text from Heather Eddington at 11:50, a text from Lisa Balog at 11:55, two calls from Missy Murphy at 1:21 PM. All of those calls went to voicemail, not a single one was answered. All of those texts went unanswered as well. There was no activity on Mr. Griffin's phone after these texts outgoing to Stacey Griffin until 10:40, three hours, 11:40, 12:40, 1:40. 1:48 PM is the first call that phone makes and it's a return call to Lisa Balog. It then calls Brett Cole at 2:15 and it calls Stacey Griffin at 2:19.

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We are now looking at his activity as far as calls that day as well. Again, all of these incoming calls and texts in our timeframe went to voicemail or went unanswered. No activity, no response whatsoever. 1:48, the call to Lisa. Now the phone's active. Now we're very active. 1:48, outgoing call, 2:15 outgoing call. Outgoing calls to Brett Cole, Stacey Griffin, Bill Hughes, Whitney Lewis, Lisa Balog. And we have some texts from Stacy. We then have more calls returning Missy Murphy's call return Jim Wakam's call. This phone is now active for the first time in days.

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Talking to Bill Kalaney, talking to Heather Eddington via text, talking to Brad Hunter, a call that he had received earlier and did not answer. Additional calls throughout the day, more folks. Axel Spears, Lisa Balog, Brett Cole, Donald Ewing, Lisa Balog again. You can see, I think, the point is that that phone had no activity on the morning of the 21st and after 1:48 PM, three hours from Benton, Arkansas, it is nonstop activity.

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And I point this out to show you this. On Saturday, September 18, 2021, the phone's active. We have calls to Brett Cole, Stacey Griffin, Lisa Balog, Brett Cole again, Stacey Griffin. On Sunday, September 19th, 2021, Monday, September 20, 2021, absolutely not a single outgoing call from that phone. Not a call to his wife, not a call to his friends, nothing. Until we get to Tuesday, September 21, 2021, where if you believe the state's theory, he arrived at home at 1:48 PM and then that phone is calling like crazy because that's the first time he was back with his phone in Oklahoma.

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Let's talk about the movement of his phone. We know that Brett Cole gets a call around 7:03 from this number. His testimony was that's Andrew saying I'm almost home. I'm a few hours out. Andrew's phone is in Hugo, Oklahoma from 12:00 AM until 8:30 AM on that date. At 8:30, it then takes a path to Antlers where it's hitting off towers from 8: 50, 8:40, 8:43. And then it goes straight towards Whitesboro where Andrew Griffin's home is. And it arrives there around 10:00 AM and it stays there until 3:55.

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So it starts the day in Hugo after a call was made from a burner phone to Brett Cole, about an hour. It then starts traveling back to Whitesboro. Some of the calls we talked about earlier, so you know the location, when his mother, Diana McFarlane calls the phone and it goes straight to voicemail, that phone is pinging off a tower in Antler. So it is on that path back towards Whitesboro. When it's getting texts from Stacy Griffin, we talked about there was one after midnight on the 21st or very early in the morning. And then the 7:05, 7:19 text, it is still in Hugo. So it's in Hugo at that time and it is in Antler's heading towards Whitesboro around 8:42.

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There was a call from Brad Hunter that went to voicemail at 8:06. It is still in Hugo at that time. Now, at 10:03 AM... Sorry, first was a 9:53 AM text from Heather Eddington that we talked about on the 21st. That phone is now pinging off the tower that services his home in Whitesboro. That's where we get a text from Ms. Eddington. We get calls coming in that are not answered from Ms. Balog, Mr. Wakams, Mr. Hughes, Mr. Hughes again, an unknown party, Mr. Johnson, Whitney Lewis and Chris Tyre.

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Text messages are sent again in our timeframe, and these are all pinging off this tower that services his home. And then the calls that start 1:48, 2:15, 2:19, again, all pinging off the tower, servicing the home in Whitesboro. Now we've got some outgoing calls. This is more activity throughout that day on the 21st. We start out, it's pinging off the tower that services his home. And then later on, it starts to ping off the tower a little to the west near Talihina. Then that phone travels from around 4:00 PM, starts heading back to Hugo. So Brett Cole told us yesterday, they talked once he got back and Andrew was going to bring the bike back to him, remember Hugo? So 4:00 PM, here we go. Starts traveling back down. It's hitting here at 4:07, 4:25. 4:36, 4:44, we're back near Antlers. And then 4:58 to 7:59, we are pinging again off all the towers surrounding Hugo and surrounding Brett Cole's home.

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During this timeframe, he's talking to Brett Cole. There was actually an earlier call, but here at 4:23, Brett Cole calls him. And at that point, he's already on his path. His house is up here in Whitesboro. Here's Antlers. He's already on his path at that time, heading down towards Hugo. While in Hugo, the phone is still active, making calls, receiving texts, and it is in Hugo from... It arrives around 5:00, a little after 5:00, and it is there until about 7:13.

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There's a call at 7:51 to Luke Sorgi. I'm sorry, he called Stacy before that at 7:47 and he's still in Hugo. The phone then leaves Hugo and returns back to Mr. Griffin's home in Whitesboro. So 8:01, we're leaving. 8:15, we're in Antlers, traveling on our path. And then at 9:00 PM, he's back at his home in Whitesboro till about 10:00 and then actually leaves and goes to Mena, Arkansas, which is where Stacey Griffin was living at the time.

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So he gets his phone back at 1:48 PM. He's at his home for a while. He then drives to Brett Cole's house in Hugo to take the motorcycle there. He then leaves Brett Cole's house, goes home, and then goes to Mena. This again is showing his path back. When at 9:42, he talks to Stacey. His phone is pinging at Whitesboro before he leaves to head to Arkansas.

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Now, we talked about the lack of activity on Mr. Griffin's phone in these days, the 19th, 20th, no phone calls made, nothing. The only texts that were returned were to Stacy Griffin. Here we are looking at Brett Cole's records for that same timeframe. His known phone with US Cellular, he testified to. On the 18th, he's making 26 calls and texts. 19th, 25 calls and texts. 20th, 29 calls and texts. On the 21st, he's got 37 calls and texts.

(06:05:14)
Now, from looking through his phone contacts yesterday on the record and looking at these phone records, here's the people he was talking to. His grandmother, Judy Cole, a friend, Michael Young, Dalton Ray, Papa Babcock, his grandfather, Carolyn Babcock, his mother, his brother, Colton Carr, Jesse Babcock, his uncle, his girlfriend, Amy Chase, Andrew Griffin, Buddy Cole or Arthur Cole, another unknown number, and of course, our burner phone that called him at 7:03 on the morning of the 21st.

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Now, out of all those calls, outgoing calls, on the 18th, his phone made five calls. On the 19th, his phone made three calls. On the 20th, his phone made nine calls. On the 21st, his phone made five calls. And looking at the records, all of these calls are more than two minutes. We looked at that because that's a pretty strong indication there was an actual communication that he was talking to somebody. And again, during this timeframe, his grandma and his friend, Dalton Ray, his grandpa, his brother, his girlfriend, and his uncle. So he is actively using his phone to talk to his family members.

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Now, as far as Mr. Cole and where he was during this time, we saw from his bank records the purchase at F&F Feed Mill on the 20th at 2:22 PM. Now, at this time, our burner phone is circling around the home of Tom and Angela Strussion in Belmont County, the 20th at 2:22. Mr. Cole is making a purchase at the F&F Feed Mill in Grant, Oklahoma. We have the receipt. You heard him testify as to what the Fura-Zone ointment is, and you have his signature on a receipt there at the bottom. As far as that signature goes, you heard other testimony, State's Exhibit 168, his signature line from the jail when he came in with the paperwork just a couple months or just last week, we have the feed mill there at the top, 138 BB with his signature, and we've got his signature on the checks that Mr. Griffin wrote to him, which is State's Exhibit 137 CCC on the 19th.

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So just so we're clear, this is five years difference, okay? So these were 2021, this is last week, 2026. You can look at those signatures and see that they are similar, and that is in fact Mr. Cole's signature as the F&F Feed. Now, I've talked to you about anomalies. These are things that stand out that you can't hide. These are data driven. We showed you during the trial Mr. Cole's bank records from First United.

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Now, this is Exhibit 138 for the state. We had two months of his records from August 4, 2021 to October 4 of 2021. What this slide shows you is that in that just two month period, Mr. Cole visits the Shell service station in Hugo, Ohio 11 times. I'm sorry, in Hugo, Oklahoma. He is there 11 times. You will see some of these purchases are similar in price. There's a 577 on the 13th. There's a 577 on the 22nd. Then there's some very even around numbers, $59 purchased here on the 13th, and there's a $33 purchase here and a $55 purchase here, which is also on the 13th.

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We know on the 13th of September 2021, Mr. Cole had to make a road trip. He went to Texas to get gas or to get the motorcycle. So you had two purchases at a gas station that same day. Fill up is when he left, fill up his truck when he came back. I think it's pretty reasonable to think that. But what we have here, folks, in two months time, 11 purchases, this is what we call pattern of conduct. He visits this place all the time.

(06:10:18)
Contrast that with this. This is Mr. Griffin's Arvest bank record. And the judge talked to you about the stipulation. We know on September 20th, so when we believe Mr. Griffin was up here getting ready to commit these murders, his bank card is making a purchase. It's making a purchase at the Shell service station in Hugo, Oklahoma. The state, through this investigation, subpoenaed and obtained years of bank records for Mr. Griffin, covering all of his known accounts with Arvest Bank.

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It's an 860, 70 page document, all these records that they looked at, covering 21 and 2022. And all of those records in their entirety, one purchase in two years is made by Mr. Griffin at the Hugo Shell service station on the 20th. And that is for $59, which is actually the same exact amount Mr. Cole spent there on his own account the week before. That's what we call an anomaly. This is what we call a pattern of conduct. And the reason that matters is because we know Mr. Griffin was not using his card at the Shell service station in Hugo on the 20th. Mr. Cole was.

(06:11:58)
Okay. The defense suggested last week that this was all some grand conspiracy to paint Andrew Griffin as the fault guy in these murders. So what we're looking at here is all of the people who would have to be involved in this grand conspiracy. You would have to believe all these people conspired together to do this. Or you can simply believe the facts that Andrew Griffin committed these murders.

(06:12:46)
So let's talk about these folks. Well, first of all, you're probably saying, oh, what the heck's Andrew Griffin doing up there? How is he complicit or how is he a part of this conspiracy? When I was a kid, a younger man, my dad told me and gave me a piece of advice that sticks with me. Always tell the truth and you never have to remember what you said. And what that means is if you're telling the truth, it's always going to be the same. It doesn't matter what you said to somebody else or said before. If you're telling the truth, it doesn't matter. Your story's going to stick.

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Mr. Griffin never got that lesson, right? Because we know when Philip Broadwater talked to him about where he was at the time these murders were taking place, Mr. Broadwater actually got two different stories himself. One was that he was in West Texas working. Another was that he was on his dozer in News or Whitesboro working on his property. So if Mr. Griffin can't keep his story straight when he's just talking to Mr. Broadwater, then-

Mr. Vavra (06:14:00):

... talking to Mr. Broadwater. Then he tells his buddy, Justin Monroe, during the time of these murders, that he's working on land in the Poteau Mountains. So he has now told three different stories about where he was. Meanwhile, we know that his phone is hitting in and around Hugo that entire time. So is he in four places at once or is he in five places at once? Because we believe he's in Belmont County. What makes more sense?

(06:14:38)
We know that he fled the country and went to Mexico. He told his friend Justin Monroe that. He told Philip Broadwater that. He was telling anybody that would listen that his wife was talking to the FBI about his involvement in these murders.

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And we also have the wiretaps that we played for you. And I'm not going to replay them, I'm not going to hash them out in great detail, but I would remind you in State's Exhibit 150B, a wiretap from July 19th, 2024, when he's talking to his mother, he tells her that if he goes to prison, "You'll never see me again. I'll be in Costa Rica." He tells her that, "If I get locked up, if I get these charges, I'll start clearing house. Everyone will have a bullet right through their fucking head." He also tells her, "It's all over for everyone involved. I will hunt her down like she's the last Comanche on the planes. I'm going to start killing people if I don't get off the phone." That's him talking to his mother like that.

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Exhibit 150F, a July 30th, 2024 call to his brother. He talks about how anger is wrong, anger is bad, but if somebody invites you into their house and steals from you, you're supposed to forgive them. But also there's nothing wrong with defending your property and killing their ass right there too.

(06:16:23)
Stacy Griffin would have to be involved in this grand conspiracy. Again, Andrew was telling everyone that would listen she was talking to the FBI. She testified she didn't see the defendant on September 19th or 20th or until the late evening on 20/21, which the phone records somewhat indicate when he went to her house in Mena late in that day.

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She provided to the officers Brett Cole's phone, the Tracki named Tom that was used to track... construction, as well as paperwork that was found. And these three items were provided in November of '23 and they were found prior to that in the vehicle she was driving that belonged to Mr. Griffin. Later on when Detective Oller called her and asked her to look for a powerpack charger, she went and looked and found it, provided it to him. And that appeared to be the exact same charger from our receipt purchase in Marion, Illinois, the same time our burner phone was purchased. Then in the spring of 2026, she located the other Tracki devices in storage, provided them. And in July of 2026, she provided the two other cell phones, the older cell phones of Mr. Griffin's, one of which is where we get the contact, James Jobe. She testified to you about an injury that she saw to Mr. Griffin's arm in September of 2021. And if you will recall, Brett Cole testified that when he test drove that bike before taking it to Ohio, he laid it down and crashed it and [inaudible 06:18:20].

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During her testimony, she told you about two separate occasions during issues in her marriage where she told Mr. Griffin that she was going to be his third victim. And we have another incident where Mr. Griffin tells her, "You and Brett are the only ones that know, and if someone finds out, I'll know it was you because Brett wouldn't say anything. I knew it would come from you and you could disappear whether or not Mr. Griffin was in jail."

(06:19:09)
Amy Chase would have to be in on this, right? Because she testified she saw this motorcycle at Mr. Cole's house. She testified that she saw Mr. Cole with a second phone, and being his girlfriend, naturally though that was a little suspicious and confronted him about it. And Mr. Cole told her it's Andrew's phone. He's gone to Ohio to take care of his business partner before his business partner takes care of him. "I have his phone to make it look like he's in Oklahoma."

(06:19:45)
She also testified about visiting the farm and feed with Mr. Cole. She testified that Andrew, Mr. Griffin, became Mr. Cole's power of attorney after Mr. Cole was incarcerated, that he received his property, his cell phone, his vehicle, a couple of other things, that Mr. Griffin would give her money to put on Mr. Cole's books while he was incarcerated. Mr. Griffin would get clothes from her to give to Mr. Cole for court appearances. She testified to as well that she hasn't talked to Andrew or Mr. Cole in years, but she would have to be in on this conspiracy. Tommy Williamson testified how he knows Mr. Griffin. He testified about how he knew he was missing for a period of time. Testified that at one point he asked Andrew on the phone point blank, "Did you commit these murders?" And what did he say to Mr. Griffin's response was? "I can't talk about it over the phone." At that point, Mr. Williamson, his relationship with Mr. Griffin was terminated. Ladies and gentlemen, when someone asks you if you committed two murders and your answer is not no, any other answer is yes. Why would you just not say no? I had nothing to do with this. Saying I can't talk about it on the phone is an admission.

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Philip Broadwater had to be on this conspiracy. If you'll remember, he testified that Andrew Griffin talked to him about running to Mexico and how he would leave the country. He actually called him from Nicaragua, said he left for a number of reasons. One specific was that Stacy was talking to the FBI. He told him a story about Mexicans or Hispanics rear-ending him and shooting at him in West Texas. Mr. Broadwater didn't believe that. And I think I understand why if you're being shot at and rear-ended by Hispanics or Mexicans, I don't think going to Mexico would be the most logical response.

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Mr. Broadwater told him, "If you run out of the country, that makes you look guilty." Attorney Shamansky talked to Mr. Broadwater about that and made it clear you don't run out of the country because of domestic violence situations or things going on with Stacy, and Mr. Broadwater agreed. You do run if you feel you're going to be tied up in a double homicide case.

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Mr. Broadwater expressed that Mr. Griffin had told him that his former business partners had been shot in the face here. What I would tell you, that's a little bit of guilty knowledge, because where they were shot was not public information. He told Mr. Broadwater that he was tracking Tom. He told Mr. Broadwater, talked a lot about 22 caliber bullets.

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He also told Mr. Broadwater that Brett Cole was his best friend, that he had been locked up for rape, he had his truck, that he was innocent. And he said that he actually paid, I think it was in this telling of it, $50,000 for Mr. Cole's attorney. Did he do that out of the goodness of his heart because they're best friends or did he do it because he knew Mr. Cole knew things that he didn't want coming out? Justin Monroe in on this conspiracy as well because he reports Mr. Griffin told him he was on some piece of equipment in the Poteau Mountains at the time of these murders. He also reports that when Mr. Griffin was in Mexico or Costa Rica or Nicaragua, that Mr. Griffin also told him he was being shot at by folks leaving Texas. Of course, he later corrected that story and told him that's not true, that didn't happen, and that he left because he was stressed about everything.

(06:24:43)
Colton Carr is in on our conspiracy, right? He said he saw a motorcycle. He saw Andrew and Brett with a motorcycle working on it at Brett's house. He identified it as having a windshield and saddlebags and said it was black and chrome. He actually asked to purchase it and Andrew and Brett told him, "You don't want anything to do with this motorcycle." And he also said they were somewhat dismantling it at the time. I think they were actually actively removing the windshield when he saw it. Mr. Carr also testified to seeing his brother with a second phone at one point.

(06:25:23)
Mr. Carr also testified that while hanging out with his brother Brett, they were drinking. Brett was emotional. Mr. Carr actually told him, "I don't want to hear this." And Brett continued to talk and he told him that Andrew came up here on a motorcycle, shot a husband and wife multiple times with a 22 caliber revolver. Now, Mr. Cole testified, I think he was in federal prison at the time he talked to Detective Oller in December 2024, and this conversation happened long before that. Actually, Mr. Cole would not have been incarcerated at all at this point, so we know that this happened long before any form of his incarceration. He also testified that he was told this was over the money in the restaurant and that Mr. Griffin destroyed the firearm that was used. Now, Brett Cole, in in our conspiracy, when Mr. Cole talked to detectives in December 2024 and when he testified to you yesterday, he had so much guilty knowledge. And what guilty knowledge is is knowledge of the crime that is not public, that nobody would know. He had so much guilty knowledge that there's only two conclusions. One, he did it. That's how he knew. Or two, he had direct contact and got the information from the person who did.

(06:27:22)
So guilty knowledge. What did Mr. Cole testify yesterday or testify to yesterday? That Mr. Griffin waited outside the home for this to happen. We know that's true because of the cell phone where that burner phone was the whole day of the 20th, that he waited in a wooded area behind the house. How would Brett Cole know there is a wooded area behind the house unless he talked to Mr. Griffin? He's never been to Ohio. That he entered through the back door, it was unlocked. That they were sitting on the couch drinking at the time, that Tom was shot in the upper shoulder. That's what he said. He said that when he first went in, he asked, "Where's the money? Where's the money?" And he shot Tom in the upper shoulder, which is exactly what we know to be true. Angela jumped up, was shot multiple times in the head. He then returns to Tom and "Where's the money? Where's the money?" More shots to the head with a 22 revolver.

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That Mr. Griffin wanted to make it look like a burglary or robbery gone wrong, we know that to be true. Drawers were pulled out. Things were thrown throughout the house, moved around. Now here's where things get a little interesting. You heard Mr. Cutrer testify about the podcast and the information he provided. That would've been put out in the public record. We also know that he gave some wrong information, that factually it's not true that they were both on the same couch, that they got two to the body and one to the head. And there was also a lot of talk in that about the details of the fires that were set.

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You'll recall yesterday when Mr. Cole testified, nobody asked him if he had heard this podcast. You also remember that when he was asked about the fire, Mr. Cole provided no details. He could not provide any details because he said he was so angry that Andrew did this, he kind of zoned out because he told Andrew not to start the fire, that it was a bad idea. So if Mr. Cole somehow would've gotten outside information about the fire, he would've told you about it yesterday and he did not.

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We know that he said he had Andrew's phone to make it look like he was in Oklahoma. Our phone records confirm that. And investigators, when they met with him in December 15, might've told him they knew that, but they knew it from talking to Amy Chase years ago because he told Amy Chase years ago. He said he was told by Andrew not to text anyone but Stacy, "Don't answer calls." Again, that's what our phone records show. The only person he texted was Stacy. No calls were made, no calls were answered on Andrew's phone.

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The motorcycle, we heard him testify he advised Mr. Griffin to cover the area with the plate because they won't pull you over and you won't get picked up by any license plate readers or any video. What does our camera footage show? The plate was covered with a backpack. Use prepaid cards. Use cash. Don't get on camera anywhere. Don't use your card or a card. Tape up your wrists so there's no DNA. Wear boots that are a size off.

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He testified that Andrew told him Andrew traveled straight back here afterwards. That's exactly what we know, independently corroborated by the travel path of that burner phone. He said he believed it happened late at night, which again, we know. He said when Andrew called him, he called Dalton Ray, confirmed by the records. He then traveled to Whitesboro to leave all Andrew's property at his house, which we know based on the travel path of the phone. That happened. And the phone is left in Whitesboro where it sits until 1:48 PM.

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He said that later that day, Andrew called him and wanted to bring the motorcycle down to him. What did Andrew's phone do? Calls to Brett Cole. It travels down to Whitesboro. Or sorry, down to Hugo from Whitesboro. Again, independent corroboration.

(06:32:46)
He provided completely accurate information about the purchase of that motorcycle. The detectives when they met with him in December 2024 already knew all that because they had their records, but Mr. Cole testified yesterday and told them exactly what happened.

(06:33:05)
He led the detectives to find the helmet, the windshield, the speakers to that motorcycle. They were all at his mom's house still. He told them about that. He told them that the gun in question had been ground down and destroyed, that they wouldn't find it. The only thing left of it was the grips, that it was a 22 revolver. And I believe he testified he suggested a revolver because the shell casings aren't extended. They stay in the gun. You don't have to get around picking up casings after. And we know no casings were found at the scene.

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One of the most interesting independent guilty knowledge facts is you heard Brett say yesterday, he was kind of spooked when Cory White was taking their picture in Texas. And when he took the bike to Andrew, he actually told Andrew, "Hey, we might want to wait. You might want to get a different bike. This guy was taking a picture." And Andrew told him, "Can't wait. I have to do this now because Tom and Andrew are going to Florida." How the heck would Brett know that unless Andrew told him? You know they're going to Florida because you heard it from Lisa. How the heck would Brett Cole of Hugo, Oklahoma and know that unless Andrew told him?

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Now I said before, there's two possibilities. Brett Cole either got all this from the killer or he did it. Well, we know he couldn't have. We know he was in Oklahoma at the time. Amy Chase puts him there, Colton Carr puts him there, his Walmart purchase puts him here, the farming feed purchase puts him here. Additionally, his cell phone is active that entire time, whereas Andrew's is not.

(06:35:07)
Now, the last witness that would have to be in on this conspiracy is Arthur Cole or Buddy Cole, Brett's grandfather and somewhat Andrew's grandfather. Andrew called him Papa or Buddy. You heard him testify, saw his demeanor. I don't know if there's a more genuine soul on the planet. You heard what he had to say.

Arthur Cole (06:35:37):

He got a phone call and I heard Andrew say, "He was a mumbler now. I'm going to tell you, he was about half or two thirds drunk." But Andrew said, "Well, I had to go get my money and I killed two people." He had to get Andrew give Brett the money to buy him a motorcycle.

Mr. Vavra (06:36:24):

And they were talking about that at the fire.

Arthur Cole (06:36:28):

And they was talking about ditching a motorcycle in Red River in the quicksand. Then they talked about tearing the motorcycle apart and just sell it as parts. Now what they would owe once that was over, I don't know. All right.

Speaker 8 (06:36:54):

[inaudible 06:36:55] to Oklahoma, you guys hop in the truck, right?

Arthur Cole (06:36:57):

Yes, sir.

Speaker 8 (06:36:57):

He's either one third or half drunk, right?

Arthur Cole (06:36:57):

Yes, sir.

Speaker 8 (06:37:05):

Get out of a cabin, right?

Arthur Cole (06:37:06):

Yes, sir.

Speaker 8 (06:37:06):

You hear a little quick conversation about...

Arthur Cole (06:37:08):

Killing two people.

Speaker 8 (06:37:08):

Huh?

Arthur Cole (06:37:15):

Killing two people.

Speaker 8 (06:37:16):

Yeah.

Mr. Vavra (06:37:24):

Now, say what you want about Mr. Cole, maybe he's a little elderly, maybe he can't tell you exact dates, those are conversations he remembered. And you heard him testify about how these conversations affected him, that after that he was done with Mr. Griffin. You also heard him testify about the change in behavior that Mr. Griffin exhibited before he came to Ohio and after he returned. But those comments, he heard Andrew say, "I went to Ohio to get my money and kill those two people." You overheard a conversation from Andrew and Brett about the motorcycle and their plans for it. Again, not a more genuine soul on the planet.

(06:38:19)
Now, looking at our timeline, just so everyone's clear, September 18th, Andrew's still in Oklahoma. He's talking to his wife. September 19th, his phone is around his house between 12:00 AM and 3:00 PM. Around 3:00 PM, the phone leaves that house and heads to Hugo, Oklahoma. 4:50 PM, that phone is in Hugo, Oklahoma near Brett Cole's home. Meanwhile, at 5:05 PM, the burner phone in Walmart is purchased, and at 5:48, it is now on the road. It is now active hitting off the tower in Marion, Illinois. And by 6:00, it's traveling towards Louisville, Kentucky. Meanwhile, at 7:00, Andrew's phone is in Hugo hitting near the Walmart. Mr. Cole's debit card is used to make a purchase at Walmart in Hugo, while Mr. Griffin's phone is sitting off the cell tower right next to that Walmart. 10:52, our motorcycle and that phone are crossing the bridge in Louisville, Kentucky. And at 10:52, that photo captures them that we saw from RiverLink. 12:06, the phone and motorcycle are in Cincinnati. 2:00 AM, it's in Columbus. 3:43, it is in Belmont County, Ohio, near Trails End Drive where it stays until 11:37 PM.

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At 10:43 on the 20th, there's a purchase. That's the one purchase Andrew's card made at the Hugo Shell store for $59. At 2:22, Mr. Cole himself on his bank account makes a purchase at the F&F Feed Store. At 2:22, Mr. Griffin's phone is pinging off the tower near that F&F Feed Store in Grant, Oklahoma. At 10:18 PM, the burner phone registers with the tower near the structure home. By 10:30, both Tom and Angela are home. At 11:18, that prepaid phone or burner phone is still registering with the tower near structure home. And at 11:37, it is on the road out of Belmont County heading west back to Oklahoma. During this entire timeframe, Mr. Griffin's known phone is in and around the Hugo area other than when it goes near the F&F Feed Store in Grant, Oklahoma.

(06:41:20)
Tuesday the 21st, Mr. Griffin's phone is at Cole's home or near Cole's home. The prepaid phone travels through Columbus, Cincinnati, Louisville, Nashville. 7:03 AM, makes the call to Mr. Cole's phone [inaudible 06:41:38] with a tower near Jackson, Tennessee. Tom and Angela, who would've been about an hour earlier because we're talking about Central Time and Eastern Time, but 7:00 AM Eastern Time, 6:00 AM Central Time, they're found deceased at their home. 8:06, Mr. Griffin's phone receives all those calls that never got answered. It also travels from Hugo to Whitesboro. 8:00 AM, Mr. Cole, on his known phone, calls in Dalton Ray and also makes a call to Amy Chase. 8:30, Andrew's phone is traveling again back to Whitesboro. 10:00 AM, the phone arrives at Whitesboro where it stays and has no activity, other than receiving calls and texts, until 1:48 PM. Again, 10:40, our prepaid burner phone shuts off in Benton, Arkansas, three hours from Mr. Griffin's home. Three hours later, 1:48 PM, Mr. Griffin's personal phone begins returning calls and has its first activity, makes its first calls in two and a half days. Mr. Griffin is then home with his phone until he leaves to go to Hugo, Oklahoma, which is when he returned the motorcycle to Mr. Cole. And then he returns home and ultimately in the evening ends up back with Stacy Griffin in Mena, Arkansas, which is exactly what she testified to as well.

(06:43:15)
During and throughout the days we're talking about, September 19th, 2021 through September 21, 2021, this is Mr. Griffin's phone travel. It starts at his home in Whitesboro. It then returns south and then west to Hugo where it remains. It hits off these towers down here. That's the F&F Feed at one point. And then eventually it returns back to the home in Whitesboro on the 21st. During the entirety of the days of question, this is the path and where his phone is.

(06:43:52)
Folks, that was a lot of information and it was important to go through it all because I want you to think about all of it. I want you to apply your common sense and your reason as the judge talked about. I want you to apply it to the known data-based evidence, the corroborated witness testimony, the guilty knowledge and the anomalies that are present in this case. Because when you do that, the only conclusion is that Mr. Griffin traveled to Belmont County, Ohio on September 20th, murdered Tom and Angela Strussion in cold blood and then fled back to Oklahoma. Thank you.

Judge (06:44:37):

Thank you, Mr. Vavra. Mr. Shamansky, are you [inaudible 06:44:48] closing statement?

Mr. Shamansky (06:44:37):

May we approach a second please?

Judge (06:47:05):

Yes, you may.

(06:47:05)
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you heard Mr. Vavra make a reference to Arthur Cole as a genuine soul. That reference to him is stricken. You're not to consider that for any purpose. You are the one to determine the credibility and what a person is like who's testifying. That is not for the state nor the defendant to make that reference to you. So that is stricken.

(06:47:33)
And with that said, we are going to take a 15 minute recess at this time. So Mr. Lawrence is going to take you back to the jury room.

Judge Chris Berhalter (06:48:14):

We are outside the presence of the jury. Mr. Vavra, any issues from the state?

Mr. Vavra (06:48:18):

No, Judge.

Judge Chris Berhalter (06:48:19):

Mr. Shamansky?

Mr. Shamansky (06:48:20):

No, sir. Thank you.

Judge Chris Berhalter (06:48:21):

All right. Then the court will be in recess for 15 minutes. Please, everyone be seated. Are you ready, Clerk?

Speaker 9 (07:13:53):

Yes.

Judge Chris Berhalter (07:13:54):

All right. We are back on the record in the State of Ohio v. Andrew Griffin. Mr. Griffin is present in the courtroom with his counsel, the State of Ohio is present, and the jury is present. Mr. Shamansky, are you ready to proceed with your closing?

Mr. Shamansky (07:14:10):

I am, sir. Thank you.

Judge Chris Berhalter (07:14:11):

All right.

Mr. Shamansky (07:14:12):

Judge, and Christy, and members of the prosecution, ladies and gentlemen, we're now at the time where your fatigue and hard work is at [inaudible 07:14:23] and so I wanted to express first and foremost our gratitude, and it's unyielding. Andrew, and Kate, and I appreciate all the hard work that you've done and that you're going to continue to do, because this is no easy case. There's nothing easy about it. Mr. Vavra stayed up here for an hour or more going through the evidence, because it made him feel good, but there's a lot of it. There's no question about it. And it makes your job more difficult than just the average case. And I've been through more of these than you can shake a stick at.

(07:15:03)
There is a lot of information here, and a lot of it is not subject to dispute. And we're going to discuss that in a second, but when we met, it's now been the last Wednesday or Thursday. I don't know, whatever day it was, whenever that big call was made. We talked up close and personal about the job that faces you, and why it's so difficult, and why you are such a uniquely suited group of individuals to do the right thing. That's all this is about.

(07:15:37)
Now, we all understand the tragedy that has befallen the Strussions. I'm going to be the last person to get up here and say that Thomas Strussion deserved any of it. The fact that he had maybe different values than the rest of us doesn't mean he deserved a bullet to the head, doesn't mean it at all. It is a tragic loss of life, and unfortunately, his family is here experiencing the fallout. And that can't be ignored, but it also can't be considered as you do your job. And I'm going to submit to you that what would also be of tragic magnitude would be returning verdicts of guilty on this evidence, because of the reasons that are about to follow. This case hasn't been proven beyond reasonable doubt.

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Now, let me tell you up front what the government has done a great job of proving, and that's that the electronic evidence indicates that... Well, we know that Brett Cole [inaudible 07:16:38] a motorcycle. That's what we know for sure, and that's about where it stops and starts. Because in order for you folks to legitimately and righteously make a finding of guilty, you got to be willing to rely on [inaudible 07:16:55] by the likes of Brett Cole. Now, you'll recall we discussed at length the burden that the government has willingly and must accept and meet before any of these five counts are proved beyond reasonable doubt.

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And in order to so determine, you've already been instructed that reasonable doubt is present when you are convinced after you've carefully considered and compared all the evidence, you cannot say you are firmly convinced of the truth of the charges. You do have to use your reason and common sense, because reasonable doubt is a doubt based on reason and common sense. It's not mere possible doubt, because everything relating to human affairs, everything is subject to some imaginary or possible doubt, and that is most genuinely not what I'm discussing with you.

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And remember the standard here. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is proof of such character that an ordinary person would be willing to rely and act upon it in the most important of her or his own affairs. And I want you to think about that for a second, because a week or so ago, I asked you, "What is it that is the most important in your own affairs?" And we all, I think, universally agreed it was the health and safety of those that we love. That's the standard. And that's the standard that you've got to embrace and you've got to make sure that the government succeeded before you can find anybody guilty of anything.

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Now, one question is who's on that motorcycle, right? We've heard a lot of talk about the bike, and we'll get into it a minute, but what we know for sure is that in terms of the flow of this evidence, both Eddie and Lisa, who testified in the beginning, there's no question Tom carried lots of cash, flashy guy, flashed his money. You know, did that get him killed? We don't know. But we sure know that he had lots of it. Lisa claimed that Angela cashed out her retirement and paid for the house and maybe the [inaudible 07:19:22]. Who knows? Lisa said Angela would always call looking for Tom. He was always in the way and he was unfaithful.

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But most significantly, Tom became scattered in the last weeks of his life. In the last couple of weeks, he was desperately seeking new investors. And I'm going to suggest to you what he was doing was seeking new people to rip off. And that's a double-edged sword for us, and I'm the first to acknowledge it. On the one hand, the government suggests that this man over here, Andrew Griffin, in cold blood, at 30 years old or whatever he is, comes over here and executes two people over 100 grand, without any evidence of what his net worth is, zero. It's left for you to, "Oh, gee. 100 grand." That sounds like a lot of money to him, but is there any evidence of that? Zero.

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You have this man [inaudible 07:20:18] stands up here and gives you his big financial analysis, and what did I ask him? I said, "If you really want to do something useful, tell us what the net worth is." Why is it so worth it for Andrew Griffin to take out a pistol and execute two people in cold blood, light the place on fire, kill the animals, over 100 grand? Because that's all the money he has in the world? You have no idea, because the government didn't ask that question when they should have.

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We know that Tom was being blackmailed. We know that he was dealing with unsavory characters, and drug dealers, and everything else. And again, you're smart folks. You're thinking to yourself, "Okay. [inaudible 07:20:58] soften it up." The theory of course, that you espoused in the beginning, is that this is a conspiracy. And who are the most likely conspirators? And we'll get to that in a second. I'm going to go quickly through that which you already know. Pam McKim said Tom had tons of cash. The Strussions booted Andrew off the account, left him high and dry. He called and seemed surprised, no angry. And we talked about the firefighters, very simple. The scene was contaminated, yeah. Now, I'm sure that was a deliberate move on whomever set that fire. Brett Cole conveniently says, "Oh, I didn't tell him to do that. I was angry that he did." That's all hogwash, but we'll get to that in a minute.

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Amanda Fisher, I'm going to urge you to disregard whatever she claimed was her investigator's time of death, because I couldn't have established more clearly to Dr. Lee that she is singularly unqualified and not allowed to make any conclusions to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, because she's not a medical doctor.

Mr. Shamansky (07:22:00):

... to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, she got a medical doctor. If you really wanted to know the time of death, that's the coroner's job. That's a medical doctor's job. Not somebody that adjusts bones for a living. So I would urge you to recognize Dr. Lee, when you look at his report, there's no time of death in there. Zero. And he told you in no uncertain terms, "She's not qualified." We know that the nice lady from Walmart regarding the phone charger, there's hundreds of thousands of them sold. Tommy Williamson, remember the distinction? He heard about the murders and he asked Andrew and Andrew said, "I can't talk about this over the phone." Now, Mr. Babber does a compelling job of trying to convince you that, hey, if anybody asked you about that, he'd say, "Hell no, I didn't do that." Maybe, maybe. But if you're a person that has gone through the trauma that this young man went through with your head all twisted around, becoming increasingly scared and anxious, maybe not. And remember, maybe he's not good enough. Don't forget that.

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And then in court, Tommy indicates that Andrew also said, "They're listening to what I say." And that was separate from the interview. And we also established that around that time, Andrew figures somebody's maybe listening to his phone. So consider that as you gauge the power of that testimony. Mr. Lacey, Brian Lacey, acknowledged he doesn't know who has the phones. He does a good job of going through information, but also acknowledge that he gets some information from a paid informant that points in the direction of a guy named The Reaper. Who knows? The question is, who knows? That's the problem. We don't know. And why don't we know? Because there's not one single piece of physical evidence of the crime scene. Zero.

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Now you're thinking, okay, of course there's not because the firemen were there trying to save lives and put out the fire. That's all true. But that doesn't detract from the lack of physical evidence, not there.

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Cold case financial, we talked about that. Mr. Blumling confirmed that his department has the ability to work with other agencies. We'll talk about why that's important in a minute. He was unable to confirm who created the contact list and indicated that had Stacy Griffin gave them permission to search the residence, they would not have needed a warrant. And significantly, the phones that are turned over, one of which yields that Facebook information, supposedly, what don't you know? You don't know when that contact was added, by whom, and how curious, those phones don't get here until July of 2026.

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Also remember, it was confirmed that the tracking devices were not used at the time of the murders. And why in the world would you track somebody? Well, how about somebody that's robbing you blind? Maybe you'd be curious about where are they going? What are they doing with all that cash and my money? Why in the world is this happening? And remember, the tracking devices aren't at the time of the murder at all. If you're going to keep tracking the guy, why do you stop if you're doing it for a nefarious reason? The answer is you don't.

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Now, Corey White, he sort of smelled a funky situation because it was funky. I'm thinking to myself, I like cars, I like motorcycles, and would I go to a spot, spend three grand for something and not get on it? No, I wouldn't do that. I'd get on it, I'd ride it around, I'd make sure it worked, check the oil, I'd [inaudible 07:26:18] the transmission. I'd do whatever I could to safeguard my investment. That wasn't done here.

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It also what's significant, remember who was there? Dalton Ray. And it has me thinking that if you remember the slide that the government put up of this cast of individuals whom they want you to believe would all have to be implicated in this conspiracy. Well, the one person they didn't put up was Dalton Ray. You got to ask yourself why not? We don't have Dalton's phone records. We don't have his testimony. We don't have any of this. He's right there. He's supposedly right there when people come back, right in the middle of it. And yet he's conspicuously absent from that slide.

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Now, it was Brett Cole who said, "How long is it going to... Will the bike make a long trip?" What a question. And yes, the government points out that there is phone traffic from Cole to Andrew around that time, but none the other way. The government's going to ask you to buy into the fact that a $5,000 withdrawal was made, but then the bike was only three grand. And then as it turns out, I guess Brett Cole said, "Yeah, I ripped off my buddy. I kept the rest of the money." Or words to that effect. It's so murky, you have no idea where the money went. And also imagine the government wants you to believe in some ways Andrew is the sinister, cold-blooded killer who wraps up his wrists, lights the scene on fire, leaves his phone there, goes to all these great lengths to complete this crime. Goes to all of those lengths, but doesn't take the most basic steps to cover it up afterwards.

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Oh, my bike, let's ride it around. Let's sell it. Let's do whatever we want. Oh no, he really said you don't want nothing to do with that bike, yet they don't get rid of the bike. None of it makes any sense because it didn't happen. I mean, who in their right mind shoots two people in the head, oh, by the way, where's that $25,000 in $1 bills? I was trying to think to myself, I've never seen $25,000 in $1 denominations. Where is that money? Not one single person talks about the money. All these guys are thick as thieves. Andrew's in the middle of it. And where is that money? Not one person sees it. Nobody. Why? Because he wasn't there and he didn't steal anything. That's why. Arthur Cole. Now Mr. Cole was deposed a while ago. I can't remember exactly when. It doesn't matter. And you will recall, and I want you to please pay careful attention to that deposition, not just the sentence, but when you watched that deposition, I was very careful. I said, "Mr. Cole, what's your phone number? Because he claimed you've been called and there was this big talk around the campfire, blah, blah, blah." I'm looking for a little piece of verification if there was a phone, because you know how big they are in phone records, if there had been some phone call to Mr. Cole, verify it. And as you sift through this evidence, you look for that verification. Why isn't it there? Why wouldn't you pull that phone record? That's the question. Now, is he protecting his grandson? Was he telling the truth? I don't know. He's got a story that he gets from his grandson, whom he also calls a liar. That's a question I want you to ask yourselves, please.

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Let's talk about Mrs. Griffin for a minute. What is beyond me is that the government learns at some point early on that she has knowledge. Maybe she has evidence or maybe she has something in her house. We know it. At some point early on she sends some tracking devices and she sends a phone charger. At no point does the government say, "Well, wait a minute, maybe we ought to get over there and search that house." And that's why I asked Lieutenant Blumling "Why in the world..." You can use... I didn't ask the question. Did you have the ability to use sister agencies? Oh, yeah. And I also asked, "You don't need a search warrant if the owner of the house gives permission." That's right. And at no point does anybody go over there and search Stacey's house because had they and these items were present, you wouldn't have to be relying on her. You wouldn't have to.

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You would send a team of trained law enforcement officials in, they'd do their search and they'd find things. They would preserve the integrity of this case. And that is another failure that contributes to reasonable doubt. These electronic items are very central, especially at the end. We've been working on this case for years and it's not until July of this year this magic phone appears and in it is a Facebook contact supposedly from Mr. Joey. Now granted, it's as coincidental as the day is long that that's the name that Brett Cole puts on the title. But that's Brett Cole and Brett Cole alone. Remember what he said. "Well, that's what Andrew told me to do." What? And why in the world, again, get this in your head. This man here has lost a hundred grand and he's going to take the chance, hop on a motorcycle, he doesn't even ride motorcycles, right?

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No testimony that he's ever even been on a bike. If any of you had ever ridden a bike, try to go eight or 900 miles non-stop. Use your common sense. And so he's such a grade A mastermind, right, he tells this cast of imbeciles, "Oh, put my phone number down there, but just leave one digit off." Who's ever heard of such a thing? Who, besides nobody? Now you sat and judged Brett Cole, or you're going to, the person upon whom the government wants you to rely and act upon are the most important of your own affairs. We'll get to this guy in a minute, but you got to take his word for all this in order to find that man guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm going to suggest to you that's impossible.

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Stacy Griffin, we know what she said, third victim and forks over all this evidence. There's things we don't know. I don't know what her relationship really is with Brett Cole. We know that the marriage has tanked, that Andrew, when he thinks nobody is listening, saying, "Hey, she's trying to rip me off. She wants my money. She wants my land." We know that. We don't know what she's capable of. That's something you have to consider. Now, I'm going to make quick work with this Pure Gold and cyber genetics. You get back there and you look at these reports, okay? Pure Gold doesn't give the government what they want. The reports are contradictory and they don't help. And what you don't hear, and it's not my duty in any way, shape or form to prove to you that Pure Gold bumbled anything. They've got to establish to you that their methodology is solid. It's not like they're using BCI&I, right?

(07:34:58)
We have a state agency that does this every day for whom allegedly the government has enormous respect and they don't submit to them. Instead, they use these little private [inaudible 07:35:10] and they sound like these big laboratories, right? Oh no, you got three people in one and five in another. They're a money grab. And what happened is they came up snake eyes with Pure Gold. The results are garbage. Look at them. Who used the MVAC machine? Who knows? They have no clue. So you don't get the results you want. You say, "Oh, wait a minute. Pure Gold manipulated the data a little bit and then got a different result. Then the work gets checked and the whole thing is wonky." And then what happens? They get these people from PA involved, throw more cash at them and voila, they got a result.

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But here's what's important. I said to this lady, I said, "Now wait a minute. You can't attest to the reliability of this result because you don't know about the reliability of the collection because in DNA collection is king." She had no clue if it was done right. It was contaminated, not contaminated, no clue. That's not for me to establish. That's the government's job, 100%. Now, can you imagine being at your doctor's office with this group of people as your lab techs? What? My blood count's what? My cholesterol is what? I got the lymphoma. I don't. Huh? You don't even know how. I asked her. I said, Ms. Cyber Genetics, she goes, "No, I can't vouch for it. And if I can't vouch for it, then my result's not accurate. It can't be believed." I'm not making that up. Those are the facts.

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And when you think about it, remember what Cole said about the helmet anyway. Everybody tried it on. And then I said to Ms. Cyber Genetics, "Well, you could have had that helmet brought to you and under your auspices had a new MVAC and a DNA extract." "Well, I could have, but we don't do that." Of course they don't. All they do is take raw data, they put it in their secret program, and mind you, it's secret. In 2023, they finally let people come in there, but only under [inaudible 07:37:14] you can't take the program out. You can't do anything. That's why they're unreliable and not worthy of your belief. And you're still going to scratch your head and say, what's wrong with BCI&I? The answer is nothing's wrong with them. Nothing.

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And the DNA results themselves are contradictory. Remember, Pure Gold can't make a match. Can't even get close. But of course, once you hire Cyber Genetic, bingo. And they're only peer reviewed by cops. Remember I asked her, I said, "Well, who's reviewing you?" "Well, crime labs." Nonsense. And for what it's worth, the nice woman from Pure Gold didn't even understand the scientific method. What did Monroe tell you? Listen to the wiretaps. They're speaking freely. There's no admissions. He just says he's a hardworking guy and he saved up his money. Now, you heard from a very sincere woman from BCI&I who went through and looked at the data and she's right about the data. It shows somebody made a round trip. Bingo, bango, you got the toll road, you got some photos. And they're going to ask you, look at that picture, doesn't that look like Andrew? It looks like a lot of people, that's the problem. That's the real problem here. Remember that photo is enhanced. I'm not saying there's anything nefarious about it, but it's not a photo you can bank on. You can't tell who's riding that bike. They're going to suggest that you can, but the reality is once you look at it looks like a lot of people with a mustache, including Brett Cole. And by the way, when we talk about Amy, which I'll get to in a minute, but what does she really say? All she does is repeat what Cole tells her. She puts him somewhere. She's not sure the dates. She sees two phones. She's living unfortunately with a child rapist. She knows he's a rapist. Still staying with him. I certainly wouldn't be relying upon her in the most important line of affairs, but that's me.

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Now, Brett Cole, is going to tell you [inaudible 07:39:41]. Accomplice testimony does not become inadmissible because of the accomplice's moral turpitude or self-interest, but the admitted or claimed complicity of a witness may affect his credibility and make his testimony subject to grave suspicion and require that it be weighed with great caution. Now here we're talking about Brett Cole. He's the accomplice. And what's the court telling you? It may affect credibility and make his testimony subject to grave suspicion. Think about that term for a minute, because that's how I'm going to submit would be a charitable way to look at this child rapist.

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Now, I think there's probably a world in which you could rape children and still maybe be a truth teller or somebody reliable. I don't really know because most of us aren't around child rapists. We certainly wouldn't live with him like Amy Chase or whatever her last name is. And we certainly wouldn't rely upon him in the most important of our own affairs. When you think about what it takes to rape a little girl, you think about that mentality for a minute. Just take a second to think about it. Think about your 10-year-old and your 12-year-old daughter. The person you're going to rely and act upon, the person you're going to believe, anything that comes out of his mouth after what he's done and been convicted of and spending the rest of his life in prison. You'd let that guy babysit your children, come into your house, watch your dog? You going to entrust him with anything you hold near and dear? Anything? That's what the government wants you to do. They brought you Brett Cole. Now, what else do we know about this rapist? We know that he sits in jail for 10 months or so when he's charged by the state, right? And then he gets out, we're talking after 2019, but certainly before the events of this case, and gets involved, obviously, in this scheme with somebody. I'm going to ask you again, where's Dalton Ray? Who's on that motorcycle? Do we know for sure? We're going to bet the farm? We're going to bet our kids' lives that [inaudible 07:43:15] based on this evidence. We haven't even attempted to exclude Dalton Ray from that, or frankly, Brett Cole for that matter. You've got to believe Amy Chase who lives with the child rapist, knowing he's a child rapist. That's who she chooses as her boyfriend. And the government raises some issues like, gee, how could Brett Cole know all these details? Well, what details does he really know? The whole world was talking about the details, conjecture. We showed it to you with the podcast, right? Those details were not unknown. And you don't have to live very far and we'll get to it in a minute, but Detective Oliver tells him, "Hey, he was shot with a 22 before anything. I didn't shoot." Shot with a 22 and given a bunch of other details.

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First of all, you heard me ask him about it. He acknowledged it. Yeah. Yeah. Now that's not the way you preserve an investigation. And remember what else happened with Brett Cole. What does he tell you? What do you know about his upfront comments? I'm not involved. Nope, not involved. I don't know the exact statement was something about, "Oh, I won't know anything about that." Detective Oliver tells him, "We know he paid for your attorney and he's your dear good friend, but you're talking about the rest of your life. You're looking at, we're hoping that you would help us in exchange. We would help you." So child rapist, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows in that direction. You're not going to rely upon him. And then to add insult to injury, his testimony is bought and paid for. And I asked him, I said, "As a kid, you loved the outdoors, you loved your lifestyle, you loved living off the land, hunting and fishing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Now he's confined with a bunch of other perverts they can't even put with the general population. That's his whole life, the whole rest of his life. And you don't think you'll do anything to get out of that jackpot? And that's who the government wants you to rely upon in this case, the most important of your own affairs. Can you imagine if this guy walked into a hospital room, "I am Brett Cole, child rapist. You can bank on everything I'm going to tell you. Don't be afraid. I'm a good guy. Don't worry about those sex acts I performed on a 12-year old against her will. Don't worry about it. I'm believable. I'm trustworthy. I'm your kind of guy, Brett Cole." Because this whole prosecution is based on that man and his grandfather, who by the way, Mr. Salt of the Earth, what does he do when he learns that his godson or whatever you want to call Andrew Griffin, in cold blood he shot two people, what does he do? Well, that's right. Nothing. Zero. Nothing. What kind of person is that?

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The Strussian family grieves. The cops works their tail off. And Arthur Cole, the good old boy, does what? Nothing. Is that what you folks would do? Is it? Never in a million years. Yet he's the salt of the earth. What else do we know? We know that in addition, the government says, "Hey, look, we're going to try to get this life [inaudible 07:47:34] off you." It's probably all BS but that's what they're telling him. You go so far as to say, "Who's your prosecutor? What's her name? Oh, we're going to call her. We're going to make it all better, Brett, because we need something from you." "I don't know nothing," and then suddenly he knows everything. Isn't that grand?

(07:47:55)
And that's who you're supposed to [inaudible 07:48:02]. And this is no fantasy here. There's no do overs here. That's how this system of justice works, because when you present evidence, you have to examine it from every side. And remember, who knows how to ride a motorcycle? Brett Cole does. Nobody else. By the way, that title, recall, I forget whose name they put on it. It was something Fisher. And maybe I conflated Jovi with that. Jovi is clearly put on the receipt to buy the burner phone. Now the government, again, wants you to believe that without even attempting to get Facebook to say, "Hey, when was that contact added?" Not one attempt to do that. Now I'll tell you what else they didn't do, this is what they [inaudible 07:49:10].

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Stacey sends this phone in July. Why don't you print it? Why don't you get a speck fo DNA off of it? You know how much people use their phones? Always. Ear, hand, ear, hand. Not one effort to verify, to corroborate. Nothing. One of the most important pieces of evidence in this case goes uncorroborated.

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Now, this bit about moving to Florida and the immediacy and all of that, if... I don't think it's much of a stretch to think that Brett Cole and Andrew, they're buddies. And if you don't think that Andrew is talking to him about his day to day life [inaudible 07:50:08], of course he is. And that's how Brett Cole's picking up these details. And that's how he's turning this around. And why? Because after his first trial with [inaudible 07:50:20], Andrew doesn't pay for a second lawyer, doesn't pay for the lawyer, and then he gets convicted. If you don't think he's looking to blame somebody, you're wrong. Because normal people don't rape children and they can't even begin to imagine what it's like to spend the rest of their life... Oh, this is a guy who doesn't even know the age of his kids. Do you believe that when I asked about his daughters? He can't even remember their birthdays. And this is who they want you to rely and act upon.

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He can remember everything that Andrew supposedly told him he did, but he can't remember his kids' birthday. You got to be kidding me. Does anybody on this jury not remember their own children's birthday? He also, Cole acknowledges that he planned most of the killing, said, "Oh, drive that motorcycle. It's easy to cover the plate. Wear Frog Togs with tape. Wear bigger shoes. Get a burner phone. Use gas cards." And remember what Cole said, this is very interesting. He said that he claimed to have driven Andrew's car in front of the game cameras. Any attempt to get those photos to corroborate it? Zero.

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And here's the other incredible inconsistency. Cole says that Griffin took great care to grind down the murder weapon right, grind it all down. But then do anything with the vehicle that supposedly got him here [inaudible 07:52:15]. How does that make any sense? It doesn't make any sense because it didn't happen. Why would you be that careless, that cavalier? You wouldn't be, is the answer. One key thing that he said that was interesting about leaving the country, oh, he said he's going to flee the country, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I had to ask him, I said, specifically, you guys were talking about fleeing the country because of the marital discord and the supposed charges that Stacey had put on you. Oh, yeah. Nothing to do with leaving the country because you were going to be implicated in a murder.

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We know about Amy Chase. Now why in the world might she be interested in corroborating this story? Because this is a man that she supposedly loves and she's willing to overlook the fact that he rapes children and still tie herself to him. I don't know what that tells you about her. And I'm not being judgmental about why women might want to support a man, but under these circumstances, you really have to scratch your head. And Amy supposedly, here's another incredible thread that runs through all these people. She supposedly learns of these murders as they're happening, right? Supposedly Brett Cole confides in her, oh, I'm involved in this. Of course, does she pick up the phone? Of course not. No, she just sits silently as two people lose their lives in Belmont County. That's a glimpse into her incredible moral fiber.

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And Colton Carr, just as his grandfather, of course he's going to cover for his brother. And the most inane testimony is that Brett is all broken up over his involvement in the killings, couldn't care less about the child rapes.

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Now, let's get to this morning. We know that Tom Strussian behaved in ways that most of us would not. While he's married to Angela, maybe about the night before he passed or maybe the same night, I'm not sure, the timing's very close. The CEO who's also a rapist leaves the bar. And what do we know? Tom decides it's a good idea to have sex with this woman on videotape. And we know that a lot of people dislike Tom and I'm not suggesting that that provides direct evidence of another killer, but certainly worthy of consideration, I would submit.

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We know that Andrew gave over the DVR passcode and willingly talked to investigators in the beginning. And here's what else we know, curiously. There's a great deal of conversation between investigators and Stacey, most of which goes unrecorded. We know that there's no...

Mr. Shamansky (07:56:03):

We know that there's no follow up on the phone records of Cole. We know there's no search of Stacy's home. And we know that there was no GPS analysis on Cole's phone that was recovered. And we remember in Brett Cole's December 18th, 2024 interview, Detective Allar connects Ray to the investigation. He says at 19 seconds in, "We know you bought that motorcycle for Andrew with Dalton Ray. We know that you kept Andrew's phone at your house and sent some text messages on it, and they proved that. And we've got three or four people that have given sworn statements about conversations you've had with them." This is all before Brett Cole is given one piece of information. And in fact, that's when Brett Cole says, "I'm not involved. I don't know what you're talking about." Yet they're feeding him details, including at 33:40, Detective Waller says, "But for the most part, we know what happened. He went up there, took a gun, 22 revolver." He gives Brett the information. And that's not something to dispute. Went up there, killed them both.

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We know that the detective said that none of the details Brett stated had been released to the media, specifically that Angela and Tom were sitting on the couch, yet Mr. Cutrer provides those details or very similar details in a May 2023 podcast. "My daughter was sitting on the couch. They could tell from her [inaudible 07:57:41]. She was sitting there on the end of the couch. Tom apparently was on the other end of the couch. We're not sure. And we're not sure they could tell who executed first, but it was both in the same manner. Two to the body and one to the head." And this is information that's on a podcast.

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So I'm going to ask you again to consider the source of the information in this case. What proof beyond a reasonable doubt do you have that Andrew Griffin was a trigger man or had any involvement in this case? There's no physical evidence. There's no firearm. There's no DNA. There's no fingerprints. There's no footprints. There's nobody that saw him there. These admissions to Arthur Cole, make of those what you will. The first thing I would've done is corroborated that there was a call to the campfire. That's the baseline for believability and that's not done. And when you add up everything you know about Cole, you got to ask yourself, where in the world is Dalton Ray? Where are his phone records? Where is he at?

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Now you've had a great deal of information that you've absorbed and you've done a great job. And this is a criminal justice system and it's a system in which we have great faith, which means we have great faith in you. And I asked you a week ago, are you going to be willing to follow these instructions? And maybe you're thinking to yourself, well, sure seems like Andrew [inaudible 07:59:42]. There's a lot of stuff like phones matching up and receipts and things like this crazy plan and it's all been hatched. What real evidence do you have that he was at that scene [inaudible 07:59:57] Brett Cole?

(07:59:57)
And as you think about this quest for justice, which is what you want to do, you need to only follow these instructions. And maybe you're thinking to yourself that proof beyond a reasonable doubt is unfair, but it's not. It's what you swear to uphold. And maybe you think that maybe it's good enough in this case. It's not. Not even close. So please follow the rules, follow your hearts and follow the oath and ask yourself if you're willing to bet the farm on the life of a child rapist liar, opportunist, Brett Cole. Thank you.

Judge (08:00:58):

State have any additional closing?

Mr. Kinsler (08:01:00):

Thank you, Your Honor. The defense has asked you who in the world would rely on Brett Cole, and most importantly with their affairs? And the man sitting right there at counsel table for the defense, in the most important of his affairs, when he sought to take revenge on Tom and Angela Strussion, and that's the man he trusted with his phone and with his alibi. You also heard a great deal about Brett Cole here in closing, but you also heard testimony that this man told Philip Broadwater that he didn't believe Cole was guilty [inaudible 08:01:43], that Cole was his greatest friend. This case is more than Brett Cole. I'm certainly going to talk to you about Brett Cole, but I also took great pains when we heard testimony from Detective Ryan Oliver that this case wasn't just about Brett Cole.

(08:02:06)
Before he ever talks to Brett Cole in a meaningful way, you'll remember there was a conversation that took place earlier in which Brett Cole says, "I don't know nothing about anything. I want to talk to my lawyer." And then there was a subsequent conversation in December in which he begins to provide useful information. Prior to that conversation ever happening in December, they've already found the burner phone. They've already found the Facebook records of the motorcycle. They find RiverLink and the photographs of the bike going across the river. They've already spoken to Amy Chase. They've already spoken with Colton Carr. They've already spoken with Arthur Cole. They've spoken with Phillip Broadwater. They've already got all of this in place. They've already found out all this information before they ever talk to Brett Cole. And I say all that to say, before Brett Cole's ever got an immunity agreement, before Brett Cole has provided one piece of useful information to the Belmont County Sheriff's Office, they have all of this other information that points to the defendant as the killer.

(08:03:17)
When you're evaluating Brett Cole and his testimony, the judge will instruct you because he has a criminal conviction, because he is an accomplice in all this, you're going to take those things into consideration evaluating his credibility. But what you also do is look at the things he told us and what we were able to corroborate. In particular, things like the helmet. How does he know when he meets with investigators that they're going to find a photograph on RiverLink of a motorcycle riding across the Ohio River on a bridge with the rider donning a black helmet? What are the chances that the helmet he happens to have at home that has this man's DNA in it, just happens to be black, just happens to look like that helmet that was found in that photo? How does he know when he meets with these investigators that it was a motorcycle, the description of the motorcycle and the fact that it's going to have no plate and it was going to have a black bag on the back of the sissy bar to conceal it? It's because he has this guilty knowledge. Getting back to what we knew before Brett Cole, you heard from Brian Warcholak, the FBI analyst. One of the things he was doing was looking at phone records. In particular, the analysts were looking at the tower dumps that were taken from near Strussion's home and he was going through Brett Cole's phone records. Going through Brett Cole's phone records, he finds this anomalous phone number that winds up being that burner phone. He also shares that with Special Agent Lacy and they determined that that particular phone hits off the tower here in Belmont County during the timeframe of the murders. Using that information, they start working into Brett Cole.

(08:05:24)
We also have, prior to Brett Cole ever being involved in the case, we have the tracking device that was recovered in Oklahoma from Stacy, the tracking device that has the nickname Tom. And you saw the subscriber information. Tim Doolan testified to this. The subscriber information didn't have a username, but it came back to the defense [inaudible 08:05:48]. And we also have records that that device and, or rather the subscription plan for that device had been paid for out of the defendant's [inaudible 08:05:57].

(08:05:57)
Arthur Cole. Defense tries to tell you that Arthur Cole is doing this to protect Brett, to save Brett and help him. Arthur Cole had already talked to investigators. Arthur Cole did that before the December meeting that occurred here in Belmont County between the investigators, between the prosecutor's office and between Brett Cole and his attorney. And another thing about Brett Cole to remember, at no junction was Brett Cole seeking out the investigator in this case. It was they who had to pursue him. They went out to Oklahoma to try and talk to him. He told them he didn't know nothing. He wanted to talk to a lawyer. And then it was in December when they actually had him brought back here unannounced, had him brought back here, got him a local attorney and sat him down and explained to him what they wanted information from him. The information he gives includes the helmet, includes giving them the location of speakers, and he also gives them guilty knowledge of the crime, things that you couldn't know from listening to the podcast. You'll remember the testimony you heard today. When Mr. Curter went on the podcast, he talked about two shots to the body, factually incorrect. The podcast, the information shared in the podcast was that both Angela and Tom were shot twice in the body. That is not the case. The only one that was shot in the body one time was Tom Strussion.

(08:07:49)
Arthur and Mr. Cole, what did Mr. Cole tell you in his deposition? Well, amongst other things he told you, he's Brett Cole's grandfather. He also told you that he's known this man since he was born, that as a matter of fact, his wife was there when the defendant was delivered. And he told you that he loved him like a son. He said he grew up in his household. He then told you about the statements to the defendant, in particular the one they were drunk. The defendant was on the phone call, he was intoxicated and he talked about killing two people and getting back his money. He also told you about a time of the [inaudible 08:08:27] fire where Brett's present and another friend and the defendant [inaudible 08:08:32] a motorcycle. They're talking about Brett getting a motorcycle on behalf of the defendant and they're talking about disposing of it later and they conflict as far as are they going to dispose of it in the Red River or are they going to take it apart?

(08:08:43)
Now, Mr. Cole told you all these things. The defense would have you hand wave them away because he's Brett Cole's grandfather. But what in any of his testimony led you to believe that he would go to the great length of lying about someone who he looked at as a son telling you that that person confessed to these murders to him? There's no evidence in his deposition that suggests that.

(08:09:05)
Defense paints a picture of this grand conspiracy of all these people, the witnesses they've heard, the evidence they've heard, that it's all aimed at framing this person. Brett Cole's behind it, Brett Cole's not behind it. He's certainly a part of it in the defense's eyes. But the question you need to ask yourself is, outside of the testimony of the people here, what else [inaudible 08:09:41] the defendant? The defendant's own conduct was [inaudible 08:09:45] When Detective Allar testified that he was coming to Oklahoma, he had reached out to the defendant, he let him know he was going to come knock on his door and it's not long thereafter, the defendant disappears to Costa Rica.

(08:09:57)
What did Phil Broadwater tell you about that? He said he spoke to the defendant and he told him, "If this is about the stuff with you and Stacy, that's crazy. No one leaves the country for that. This just makes you look guilty." Now Phil Broadwater's right. It does make the defendant look guilty. It also makes the defendant look guilty that he tells different people, he tells Phil Broadwater two different stories as to where he was. And in fact, he's told three different stories as to where he was at the time. He was in West Texas or he was in Hughes, Oklahoma or he was on Potomac. None of those places are near Hugo. Hugo, Oklahoma is the one place where his phone is consistently at the timeframe of the murders. And that's important to us because it doesn't jive at all with the alibis he's trying to present or float to these different people he speaks to.

(08:10:48)
When you consider Brett Cole and the things he told you, his testimony, consider how many of the things he said checked out. If he's framing the defendant, he tells Detective Allar that I held the phone for this man while he went out and did those things. What are the chances ... Well, he not only told you he did that, but he also told you that the plan was for him to only text back and forth to Stacy Griffin and him to not answer phone calls. You saw the slide that Mr. Vavra put up there. There is a span from the 18th of September, I believe it's 8:00, when the last real phone activity happens on his phone. On the 19th, there are no outgoing calls from his phone. The only outgoing text from his phone to Stacy. He's ignoring texts from other people. He's not accepting calls from anybody. Those are ringing through the voicemail.

(08:11:50)
The same thing takes place on September 20th. It's not until the following day, the same day the destructions are found and the fire is discovered, September 21st. And it doesn't happen until afternoon at 1:40 when his phone becomes active. What are the chances that Brett Cole could tell Detective Allar that that's exactly what he did and then the phone records they find show exactly that? What are the chances that Brett Cole tells them that he takes the phone to Hugo and then the records they locate show exactly that? How extraordinary that would be if Brett Cole concocted this to frame the defendant and simultaneously the records prove out exactly what he said to Detective Allar.

(08:12:40)
Same thing with the bank records. Brett told you that while the defendant was on his way here to commit the murders, he trusted him with his debit card and he told you he bought gasoline. In that same timeframe, the only transaction that takes place on the 19th, 20th, 21st is a single bank transaction in Hugo, Oklahoma at the Shell station, the same Shell station that bank records show you Brett Cole uses regularly with his First United bank card. Again, what are the chances of Brett Cole having never possessed, if you believe the defense, Brett Cole never possessed the defendant's bank card and yet told these officers, "Hey, there's only one bank transaction. It's when I gassed up my truck," and lo and behold, that's exactly what they found. The defendant during that timeframe isn't running to the grocery or Walmart or anywhere else or in any way using his bank card.

(08:13:33)
When you look at this case, this case is quite a bit more than Brett Cole. When you look at this case, the defense presents it to you, would you trust Brett Cole with the most important of your affairs? I believe the analogy [inaudible 08:13:55] medical treatment. Obviously you wouldn't trust Brett Cole with medical advice because he's not a doctor, but the defendant trusted him when he was up to commit a double murder because that's the sort of guy Brett is. He's a standby friend and Brett Cole stands by him and he stands by Brett. He's exactly the person you trust to hold your phone, to hold your debit card.

(08:14:19)
Now, the defense also points out that a number of these things were foolish or reckless. At no juncture at any time did we ever suggest to you that we were going to do anything other than prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was guilty of the crime as charged. We never told you we were going to prove to you that he's clever. We never told you we were going to prove to you that he or his plan was perfect. In fact, it was inherently flawed and it began unraveling right out of the gate. The plan Brett told you was he was supposed to stay up by Whitesboro on the defendant's property and he chose not to. He described it [inaudible 08:14:53] he decided to go back to Hugo. But again, that is not evidence that this crime didn't occur. What it's evidence of is when you rely on someone like Brett Cole who's not a particularly reliable person in terms of he didn't do what he said, the two parties had said, the defendant and Brett decided they were going to do.

(08:15:14)
Again, we're not suggesting to you the plan was perfect. In fact, it was deeply flawed, but that's also why investigators were able to latch on and catch them because particularly in this case, defendant gets a burner phone but makes the mistake of calling from Tennessee on the motorbike. He makes that call to Brett Cole. He could have simply waited and left [inaudible 08:15:37].

(08:15:36)
The point of all this, folks, is that this case is more than Brett Cole. This case is things like Arthur Cole, [inaudible 08:15:47] Colton Carr, Amy Chase, the additional pieces of information that you've seen, particularly things like the phone records and particularly the things like the bank records, which support state's theory in the case and demonstrate to you that the person who committed these crimes is the defendant. Thank you.

Judge (08:16:13):

Thank you, Mr. Vavra.

Mr. Shamansky (08:16:15):

Judge, can we have one second?

Judge (08:16:16):

Yes.

Mr. Shamansky (08:16:27):

Can we approach a second, sir?

Judge (08:16:56):

Yes.

(08:16:56)
All right, we're back on the record. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we're going to stop here. So first I'm going to give you the same four instructions you've heard from me for over a week. Please have no discussions about this case with anyone. Don't let any discussions occur in front of you about this case. Do not watch any media stories about this case. Do not undertake any investigation on your own about this case and do not post anything on social media. You're going to leave the charge in your notebooks right underneath your seat. You're not going to take any of that paperwork with you. When you arrive tomorrow, I ask you to be here by 8:45. We're going to start at 9:00 AM. I'm going to finish that charge to you, that instruction, and then at that point, you will retire to the jury room and begin deliberating.

(08:17:51)
So at this point, once again, thank you for being very attentive all day and for your patience. You are released. I'll see you all 8: 45 AM.

(08:18:12)
All right. We're outside the presence of the jury. Mr. Vavra, any issues from the state of Ohio?

Mr. Kinsler (08:18:44):

No, Judge.

Judge (08:18:45):

Mr. Shamnasky?

Mr. Shamansky (08:18:45):

No, we're good, sir. Thank you.

Judge (08:18:46):

All right. You both parties heard my instructions to the jury. I'm going to finish that charge tomorrow morning. Then they're going to retire, begin deliberations with all the exhibits that the parties have agreed to and my instructions.

Mr. Shamansky (08:19:00):

I should have ... We have one little correction. We're not sure of exhibit ... Is it 140? 140 is in, but Kevin's going to take it out, Your Honor. So it should be off of your master list, 140.

Mr. Kinsler (08:19:15):

That's accurate, Judge.

Judge (08:19:22):

I see what you're saying. There's lines out of 140A and 140B, but the parties agree that 140 itself will not go back?

Mr. Kinsler (08:19:30):

Yes, Judge.

Mr. Shamansky (08:19:30):

Correct, sir.

Judge (08:19:31):

Okay. Anything in addition, Mr. Shamnasky?

Mr. Shamansky (08:19:35):

No. Thank you, Your Honor.

Judge (08:19:36):

Okay. Then the court will be in recess until tomorrow morning. Expect the parties to be here by 8:30.

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