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FL v. Caylen Deller Verdict

FL v. Caylen Deller Verdict

Day 3 and verdict in the FL v. Caylen Deller trial for the 2024 killing of her ex-boyfriend. Read the transcript here.

Day 3 and verdict in the FL v. Caylen Deller trial for the 2024 killing of her ex-boyfriend.
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Judge Alicia Washington (11:07):

Everybody can be seated. Can we go ahead and bring Ms. Deller out?

Speaker 1 (11:10):

She's not here yet.

Judge Alicia Washington (11:12):

Oh, we're still waiting on her. I didn't know that part. No, you told me that there was a ...

Speaker 1 (11:17):

[inaudible 00:11:19].

Judge Alicia Washington (11:17):

[inaudible 00:11:19].

Speaker 2 (11:17):

[inaudible 00:11:24].

Mike Willard (11:17):

[inaudible 00:11:24].

Judge Alicia Washington (11:31):

I did provide copies of the [inaudible 00:11:30] ... I didn't change anything. I just did some formatting.

Brian Smith (11:33):

Yeah, I noticed that the one we added was kind of off, yes, last night.

Judge Alicia Washington (11:39):

Yeah. So I just did some formatting, justified it, that kind of thing.

Mike Willard (11:48):

And Judge, you read up to what part before we do closing?

Judge Alicia Washington (11:52):

To the final instruction.

Mike Willard (11:53):

Okay.

Judge Alicia Washington (11:55):

I save the final instruction for after the closings.

Mike Willard (11:58):

Gotcha.

Judge Alicia Washington (12:00):

So that submitting case to jury.

Mike Willard (12:03):

Got it.

Judge Alicia Washington (12:11):

I do want to thank everybody on both sides. Everybody's been very mindful of the court's expectations in terms of your reactions, your behaviors. Same thing applies for today, especially during, you know, the closing arguments can get emotional for both sides. Invariably, one side won't like what the other side is saying. Again, if you, and they may show some photos, they may show some of the evidence that may be emotional. These jurors, it's very difficult ... I don't know if any of you have ever served on a jury, but it's very difficult, number one, to take the time out of your life to sit and do this. Number two, it's very difficult in a case of this nature to have that on your conscious that you have to make that ultimate call. And so what we're trying to do is we try to protect the jurors as much as we can so that they're not making decisions based on any type of sympathy, any type of bias.

(13:13)
We want them to be able to just focus on the evidence. And so you all out there help us by not being a factor that they have to consider. And so that will remain the case. No photos, no videos, no recording of the proceedings. And we have all our jurors. They're ready to go as soon as Ms. Deller comes. We'll put a couple of things on the record about the juror discussions we had with her here and then we're ready to go.

Mike Willard (13:41):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge Alicia Washington (13:43):

Are you going to be using presentation mode?

Mike Willard (13:45):

Yes, we will.

Judge Alicia Washington (13:45):

[inaudible 00:13:46].

Mike Willard (13:45):

Can we just test it out and see?

Judge Alicia Washington (13:51):

Oh wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me go back real quick. I want to make sure that I ... I think it automatically mutes it when I go to presentation mode, but just in case it doesn't.

Mike Willard (14:04):

Perfect. [inaudible 00:14:19].

Judge Alicia Washington (14:19):

All right. And then I took the clean copy of the information that you guys gave me for jury selection. And what I did was, because you could kind of still see through the back of it, I ran it through a copy machine. So if either of you want to look at this to make sure it's appropriate, this is the copy that would go back with the jury.

Mike Willard (14:45):

I don't think this should be the right copy, Judge, 'cause the clean copy has capital felony crossed out, second-degree felony, third-degree felony. I don't think this is the clean copy.

Judge Alicia Washington (14:56):

That's why I'm giving it to you here. Here. Write out what you need? Now, write it all.

Mike Willard (15:00):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge Alicia Washington (15:01):

That's why I'm like, "Look at it."

Speaker 3 (15:02):

[inaudible 00:15:24].

Mike Willard (15:24):

Mike attested it. It works. Perfect. If you could ...

Speaker 4 (15:56):

I'm sorry, what?

Judge Alicia Washington (15:56):

Oh, I beg your pardon me. When he finishes with that, [inaudible 00:15:57] can you run it through the copier? All right. So we have Ms. Deller present. We are back in session, 24CF1197, and our jury is in the main courthouse. They are ready to come over. What I did want to put on record is counsel for both the State and Defense ... Where's the copy? Get it.

Speaker 5 (16:22):

[inaudible 00:16:22].

Judge Alicia Washington (16:22):

Oh, she has it.

Speaker 5 (16:23):

Okay.

Judge Alicia Washington (16:25):

Okay. Counsel for both the State and the Defense met with me on yesterday in chambers. We had a little discussion about whether or not, since we've made it all the way through the trial with both alternates intact, whether the court would reconsider the Defense's motion to strike juror number nine from deliberating. And I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, the State and Defense stipulated that we would remove juror number nine. She'll sit for all the closing argument, the final instruction, et cetera. It's just when they go back to deliberate, I would release juror number nine and juror number 14, who was one of the alternates. It would be juror number 13, Melissa Hasting, who would be going back to deliberate. Is the State in agreement with that?

Mike Willard (17:11):

State agrees, Judge.

Judge Alicia Washington (17:11):

And Defense in agreement with that?

Brian Smith (17:12):

Yes.

Judge Alicia Washington (17:13):

All right. Ms. Deller, do you understand that? Are you in agreement with that?

Caylen Savannah Deller (17:16):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge Alicia Washington (17:19):

All right. All right. And then are we ready now? Can we go ahead and bring them over?

Speaker 6 (17:22):

Yes.

Judge Alicia Washington (17:22):

All right.

Mike Willard (17:24):

If we can ... Judge, when we send it back, we'll just send back the stipulation of the identification. I don't know that they necessarily need to read it. We'll just send it back with them. I don't even think it's an issue in this case. I don't assume they're going to argue it because ...

Brian Smith (17:38):

It's not an issue.

Judge Alicia Washington (17:38):

I'll do whatever you guys want me to do. I haven't seen it. You want me to read it?

Mike Willard (17:42):

I don't think we need to read it. I think it's fine just to go back.

Judge Alicia Washington (17:44):

Okay.

Mike Willard (17:44):

If they want to look at it, that's fine. I don't think it's an issue. Because-

Judge Alicia Washington (17:50):

He doesn't look as sure as you do.

Mike Willard (17:51):

The only reason is is because it's going back into evidence. It was never entered, so they may wonder, "Where's this from?" Or, "What is this about?"

Brian Smith (17:59):

I mean, we're not going to argue-

Judge Alicia Washington (18:00):

Yeah. That's the reason why I asked in the beginning whether or not we wanted to number it as evidence because they're told in the instructions that they can only consider evidence that's been admitted.

Mike Willard (18:14):

I mean, we can have the court read it if you'd like.

Judge Alicia Washington (18:16):

Okay. And then that, because that would be ... Let's see.

Mike Willard (18:21):

I don't think it's a piece of evidence. It's just read by the court.

Judge Alicia Washington (18:24):

Okay.

Mike Willard (18:25):

And that's it. All right.

Brian Smith (18:27):

I guess you'd have to read the instruction on stipulation.

Mike Willard (18:30):

Right. That's right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:32):

Let me read that. Let me find that.

Mike Willard (18:33):

[inaudible 00:18:40].

Speaker 7 (18:33):

[inaudible 00:18:42].

Mike Willard (18:48):

Judge, we don't have to even worry about that. It's not an issue. Let's not even worry about it. We don't even need to go into it.

Judge Alicia Washington (18:55):

So the instruction on stipulations is standard instruction 2. 3. So I will read it. When they come in, I'll just read the instruction, then I'll read the stipulation. Okay. The instruction reads, "When lawyers agree that certain facts are true, that is called a stipulation of fact. You must accept stipulated facts as having been proven. However, the significance of these facts as with all facts is for you to decide. In this case, the stipulated facts that you must accept as true are, for the purposes of the jury trial in this matter, the State of Florida and the defendant stipulate to the identity of the deceased person in this case is that of Chad Mullen." So that's just how I read it. Any objection to that?

Mike Willard (19:43):

None from the State, Judge.

Judge Alicia Washington (19:44):

Mr. Smith?

Brian Smith (19:49):

Well, the State was saying they were fine with the stipulation not being read prior to you going into the instruction. I would say I think it's been proven. My client testified that it was Chad Mullen. So rather than create confusion by reading a stipulation and then the stipulation then going into closings, they may think, "Why are they doing this now?" I'd prefer we just don't.

Mike Willard (20:10):

We're fine not doing it, Judge. I don't think there's an issue. The DNA matches up, the tattoos match up, the defendant admitted it. We're okay with that.

Judge Alicia Washington (20:17):

So if it's not evidence, is it going back?

Mike Willard (20:19):

No.

Judge Alicia Washington (20:19):

Okay.

Mike Willard (20:19):

We won't send it back at this time.

Judge Alicia Washington (20:20):

It is just going to file.

Mike Willard (20:21):

So we just wanted to talk to you for a little bit about it-

Judge Alicia Washington (20:24):

Oh, okay.

Mike Willard (20:24):

... and then decide if we didn't need it.

Judge Alicia Washington (20:26):

Just wanted to banter?

Mike Willard (20:26):

Yes.

Judge Alicia Washington (20:26):

Okay. All right. Banter [inaudible 00:20:30].

Mike Willard (20:26):

[inaudible 00:20:31].

Judge Alicia Washington (20:31):

All right. So the jurors are on the way.

Speaker 8 (20:32):

All rise, as the jurors entering the courtroom.

(20:32)
[inaudible 00:22:45].

Speaker 9 (20:32):

Oh, the quarter's in there.

Speaker 10 (20:32):

[inaudible 00:22:52].

Judge Alicia Washington (23:09):

All right. Everyone can be seated. Good morning.

Jurors (23:13):

Good morning.

Judge Alicia Washington (23:15):

Thank you again for being here. And let me just do a quick roll call again. 1 Smith, 2 Edwards-

Juror 1 Edwards (23:22):

Yes.

Judge Alicia Washington (23:23):

... 3 Ryan, 4 Santiago-

Juror 4 Santiago (23:26):

Yeah.

Judge Alicia Washington (23:26):

... 5 Mulligan-

Juror 5 Mulligan (23:26):

Yes.

Judge Alicia Washington (23:27):

6 Hazelgrove.

Juror 6 Hazelgrove (23:29):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge Alicia Washington (23:31):

7 West, 8 Moore, 9 White, 10 Frank, 11 Freeman, 12 Briggs, 13 Hasting, and 14 [inaudible 00:23:42]. All right. So I'll ask again, no cell phone devices, no smart devices, no any of that on anybody?

Jurors (23:49):

[inaudible 00:23:51].

Speaker 11 (23:51):

No.

Judge Alicia Washington (23:51):

You guys are killing it. All right. Now, has anyone heard any pre-trial or trial publicity, seen any media, Facebook posts, anything regarding this case since we were released yesterday?

Speaker 11 (24:08):

No, ma'am.

Judge Alicia Washington (24:08):

All right. So now what we're going to do is we're going to read final instructions. Now, it's in your packet. I've given you a copy of it so there's no need for you to take notes. And honestly, I just want you to listen because you'll get to take the packet back with you. I just want you to listen more for understanding. I'll read all the way up to the last instruction, and then at that point, I'll turn it over for closing arguments, and then I'll read the final instruction. What's not in this packet is the verdict form. So when I get to the part where I read the verdict form, you don't have to start flipping through it. It's not in there. I don't like having too many copies of a verdict form floating around. Okay. All right. So this is State of Florida v. Caylen Savannah Deller. It's case number 24CF1197. Members of the jury, I thank you for your attention during this trial. Please pay attention to the instructions I am about to give you. Caylen Savannah Deller, the defendant in this case, has been accused of the crimes of first-degree murder in count one, tampering with physical evidence in count two, and failure to report death of a person with intent to conceal the death or alter the evidence or circumstances surrounding such death in count three. Caylen Savannah Deller is accused of first-degree murder in count one. First-degree murder includes the lesser crimes of second-degree murder and manslaughter, all of which are unlawful. However, a killing that was excusable homicide or that was committed by the justifiable use of deadly force is lawful. If you find Chad Mullen was killed by Caylen Savannah Deller, you will then consider the circumstances surrounding the killing in deciding if the killing was first-degree murder or second-degree murder or manslaughter or whether the killing was excusable homicide or resulted from the justifiable use of deadly force.

(26:24)
The use of deadly force to kill a human being is justifiable homicide and therefore lawful if necessarily done while resisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon the defendant or to commit a felony in or upon any dwelling house in which the defendant was at the time of the killing. Deadly force means force likely to cause death or great bodily harm. Great bodily harm means harm that is more than slight, trivial, minor, or moderate. The killing of a human being is excusable homicide and therefore lawful under any one of the following three circumstances. One, when the killing is committed by accident and misfortune in doing any lawful act by lawful means with usual ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent or two, when the killing occurs by accident and misfortune in the heat of passion upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or three, when the killing is committed by accident and misfortune resulting from a sudden combat if a dangerous weapon is not used and the killing is not done in a cruel or unusual manner.

(27:46)
A dangerous weapon is any object that will likely cause death or great bodily harm if used in the ordinary and usual manner contemplated by its design and construction. Count one, first-degree murder. To prove the crime of first-degree premeditated murder, the State must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt. One, Chad Mullen is dead. Two, the death was caused by the criminal act of Caylen Savannah Deller. Three, there was a premeditated killing of Chad Mullen. An act includes a series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose. Killing when premeditation is killing after consciously deciding to do so. The decision must be present in the mind at the time of the killing. The law does not fix the exact period of time that must pass between the formation of the premeditated intent to kill and the killing.

(28:54)
The period of time must be long enough to allow reflection by the defendant. The premeditated intent to kill must be formed before the killing. The question of premeditation is a question of fact to be determined by you from the evidence. It will be sufficient proof of premeditation if the circumstances of the killing and the conduct of the accused convince you beyond a reasonable doubt of the existence of premeditation at the time of the killing. In considering the evidence, you should consider the possibility that although the evidence may not convince you that the defendant committed the main crime of first-degree murder as charged in count one of the indictment, there may be evidence that she committed other acts that would constitute lesser-included crimes. Therefore, if you decide that the main accusation has not been proved beyond a reasonable doubt, you will next need to decide if the defendant is guilty of any lesser-included crimes.

(29:58)
The lesser crimes indicated in the definition of first-degree murder as charged in count one of the indictment are second-degree murder and manslaughter. To prove the lesser-included crime of second-degree murder as it relates to count one of the indictment, the State must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt. One, Chad Mullen is dead. Two, the death was caused by the criminal act of Caylen Savannah Deller. Three, there was an unlawful killing of Chad Mullen by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life. An act includes a series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose. An act is imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind if it is an act or series of acts that one, a person of ordinary judgment would know is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another.

(31:06)
And two, is done from ill will, hatred, spite, or an evil intent and is of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life. In order to convict of second-degree murder, it is not necessary for the State to prove the defendant had an intent to cause death. If you find that Caylen Savannah Deller committed the lesser-included crime of second-degree murder as it relates to count one of the indictment, and you also find beyond a reasonable doubt that during the commission of the crime she discharged a firearm and in doing so caused great bodily harm or the death of Chad Mullen, you should find the defendant guilty of second-degree murder with discharge of a firearm causing great bodily harm or death. Great bodily harm means great as distinguished from slight, trivial, minor or moderate harm and as such does not include mere bruises.

(32:11)
If you find that Caylen Savannah Deller committed the lesser-included crime of second-degree murder as it relates to count one of the indictment, and you also find beyond a reasonable doubt that during the commission of the crime she discharged a firearm, you should find the defendant guilty of second-degree murder with discharge of a firearm. If you find that Caylen Savannah Deller committed the lesser-included crime of second-degree murder as it relates to count one of the indictment, and you also find beyond a reasonable doubt that during the commission of the crime she actually possessed a firearm, you should find the defendant guilty of second-degree murder with actual possession of a firearm. A firearm is legally defined as any weapon which will, is designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive. To actually possess a firearm means the defendant A, carried a firearm on her person, or B, had a firearm within immediate physical reach with ready access with the intent to use the firearm during the commission of the crime.

(33:24)
If you find that Caylen Savannah Deller committed second-degree murder and you also find beyond a reasonable doubt that during the commission of the crime she personally carried, displayed, used, threatened to use or attempted to use a firearm, you should find her guilty of second-degree murder with a firearm. I have previously defined the term firearm for you. You should rely on that definition previously given. If you find that Caylen Savannah Deller committed second-degree murder, but you are not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that she personally carried, displayed, used, threatened to use or attempted to use a firearm, then you should find her guilty only of second-degree murder. To prove the lesser-included crime of manslaughter as it relates to count one of the indictment, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt. One, Chad Mullen is dead. Two, A, Caylen Savannah Deller intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Chad Mullen, or B, the death of Chad Mullen was caused by the culpable negligence of Caylen Savannah Deller.

(34:38)
Every person has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence. The defendant cannot be guilty of manslaughter by committing a merely negligent act or if the killing was either justifiable or excusable homicide as I have previously instructed you.

Judge Alicia Washington (35:00):

[inaudible 00:35:00] homicide, as I have previously instructed you. In order to convict of manslaughter by act, it is not necessary for the state to prove that the defendant had an intent to cause death, only an intent to commit an act that was not merely negligent, justified, or excusable, and which caused death. I will now define culpable negligence for you. As I have said, every person has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence.

(35:37)
But culpable negligence is more than a failure to use ordinary care toward others. In order for negligence to be culpable, it must be gross and flagrant. Culpable negligence is a course of conduct showing reckless disregard of human life or of the safety of persons exposed to its dangerous effects are such an entire want of care as to raise a presumption of a conscious indifference to the consequences or which shows wantoness or recklessness or a grossly careless disregard for the safety and welfare of the public are such an indifference to the rights of others as is equivalent to an intentional violation of such rights. The negligent act or admission must have been committed with an utter disregard for the safety of others. Culpable negligence is consciously doing an act or following a course of conduct that the defendant must have known or reasonably should have known was likely to cause death or great bodily injury. If you find that Kaylin Savannah Deller committed manslaughter and you also find beyond a reasonable doubt that during the commission of the crime she personally carried, displayed, used, threatened to use, or attempted to use a firearm, you should find her guilty of manslaughter with a firearm. I have previously defined firearm for you. You should rely on that definition previously given. If you find that Kaylin Savannah Deller committed manslaughter, but you are not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that she personally carried, displayed, used, threatened to use, or attempted to use a firearm, then you should find her guilty only of manslaughter.

(37:35)
Count two, tampering with or fabricating physical evidence. To prove the crime of tampering with physical evidence, the state must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt. One, Kaylin Savannah Deller knew that a criminal trial proceeding or investigation by a duly constituted prosecuting authority, law enforcement agency, grand jury or legislative committee of Florida was pending or was about to be instituted. Two, Kaylin Savannah Deller altered, destroyed, concealed or removed the body of Chad Mullen and are ropes, ratchet traps, a net, cinder block, grappling hook, and/or other items with the purpose to impair its verity or availability in such proceeding or investigation. If you find the defendant guilty of tampering with physical evidence, you must further determine whether the state has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the tampering related to a criminal trial proceeding or investigation related to a capital felony. The court instructs you that first degree murder is a capital felony.

(38:53)
Count three, failure to report death of a person with intent to conceal the death or alter the evidence or circumstances surrounding such death. To prove the crime of failure to report the death of a person with intent to conceal, the state must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt. One, Kaylin Savannah Deller did unlawfully fail or refuse to report the death and circumstances of the death of Chad Mullen to the district medical examiner or a law enforcement agency having jurisdiction over the location and two, Kaylin Savannah Deller did so with the intent to conceal such death or to alter the evidence or circumstances surrounding such death. It is a defense to the crimes of first degree murder, second degree murder and manslaughter if the actions of Kaylin Savannah Deller constituted the justifiable use of deadly force. Deadly force means force likely to cause death or great bodily harm.

(39:57)
Great bodily harm means great as distinguished from slight, trivial, minor or moderate harm. Kaylin Savannah Deller does not have the burden of proving that she was justified in using deadly force. Instead, for you to find the defendant guilty, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was not justified in using deadly force. The law on justifiable use of deadly force is as follows. Kaylin Savannah Deller was justified in using deadly force if she reasonably believed that such force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to herself. Kaylin Savannah Deller had no duty to retreat before using deadly force. The use of deadly force is justifiable if Kaylin Savannah Deller reasonably believed that the force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to herself while resisting any attempt to commit aggravated assault and/or attempted aggravated battery upon her.

(41:06)
In deciding whether Kaylin Savannah Deller was justified in the use of deadly force, you must consider the circumstances at the time the force was used. The danger need not have been actual. However, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of imminent danger must have been so real that the defendant actually believed the use of deadly force was necessary. Moreover, to justify the use of deadly force, a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed the use of deadly force was necessary. If you find that Kaylin Savannah Deller, who because of prior threats or difficulties with Chad Mullen had reasonable grounds to believe that she was in danger of death or great bodily harm at the hands of Chad Mullen, you may consider this fact in determining whether the actions of Kaylin Savannah Deller were those of a reasonable person. In considering the issue of self-defense, you may take into account the relative physical abilities and capacities of Kaylin Savannah Deller and Chad Mullen.

(42:17)
The defendant has entered a plea of not guilty. This means you must presume or believe the defendant is innocent. The presumption stays with the defendant as to each material allegation in the indictment through each stage of the trial, unless it has been overcome by the evidence to the exclusion of and beyond a reasonable doubt. To overcome the defendant's presumption of innocence, the state has the burden of proving the crime with which the defendant is charged was committed and the defendant is the person who committed the crime. The defendant is not required to present evidence or prove anything to the crimes of first degree murder, tampering with evidence or failure to report a death as I have previously explained to you. Whenever the words reasonable doubt are used, you must consider the following. Reasonable doubt is not proof beyond all doubt. A mere possible, speculative, imaginary or forced doubt is not a reasonable doubt.

(43:17)
Such a doubt is not a guess or mere conjecture. Rather, it is a doubt based upon reasoning and common sense at the careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence in the case. A reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the defendant may arise from the evidence, conflict in the evidence or lack of evidence. If after a careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence you have a reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the accused, it is your duty to find the defendant not guilty. On the other hand, if after a careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty, it is your duty to find the defendant guilty. It is to the evidence introduced in this trial and to it alone that you are to look for that proof. It is up to you to decide what evidence is reliable.

(44:18)
You should use your common sense in deciding which is the best evidence and which evidence should not be relied upon in considering your verdict. You may find some of the evidence not reliable or less reliable than other evidence. You should consider how the witnesses acted as well as what they said. Some things you should consider are one, did the witness seem to have an opportunity to see and know the things about which the witness testified? Two, did the witness seem to have an accurate memory? Three, was the witness honest and straightforward in answering the attorney's questions? Four, did the witness have some interest in how the case should be decided? Five, does the witness's testimony agree with the other testimony and other evidence in the case? Six, has the witness been offered or received any money, preferred treatment or other benefit in order to get the witness to testify?

(45:18)
Seven, did the witness at some other time make a statement that is inconsistent with the testimony he or she gave in court? Eight, has the witness been convicted of a felony or misdemeanor involving dishonesty or false statement? Whether the state has met its burden of proof does not depend upon the number of witnesses it has called or upon the number of exhibits it is offered, but instead upon the nature and quality of the evidence presented. The fact that a witness is employed in law enforcement does not mean that his or her testimony deserves more or less consideration than that of any other witness. Expert witnesses are like other witnesses with one exception. The law permits an expert witness to give his or her opinion. However, an expert's opinion is reliable only when given on a subject about which you believe him or her to be an expert.

(46:15)
Like other witnesses, you may believe or disbelieve all or any part of an expert's testimony. The defendant in this case has become a witness. You should apply the same rules to consideration of her testimony that you apply to the testimony of the other witnesses. It is entirely proper for a lawyer to talk to a witness about what testimony the witness would give if called to the courtroom. The witness should not be discredited by talking to a lawyer about his or her testimony. You may rely upon your own conclusion about the credibility of any witness. A juror may believe or disbelieve all or any part of the evidence or the testimony of any witness. These are some general rules that apply to your discussion. You must follow these rules in order to return a lawful verdict. You must follow the law as it is set out in these instructions. If you fail to follow the law, your verdict will be a miscarriage of justice. There is no reason for failing to follow the law in this case. All of us are depending upon you to make a wise and legal decision in this matter. This case must be decided only upon the evidence that you have heard from the testimony of the witnesses and have seen in the form of the exhibits and evidence and these instructions. This case must not be decided for or against anyone because you feel sorry for anyone or are angry at anyone. Remember, the lawyers are not on trial. Your feelings about them should not influence your decision in this case.

(47:55)
Your duty is to determine if the defendant has been proven guilty or not in accord with the law. It is the judge's job to determine a proper sentence if the defendant is found guilty. Whatever verdict you render must be unanimous, that is each juror must agree to the same verdict. Your verdict should not be influenced by feelings of prejudice, bias or sympathy. Your verdict must be based on the evidence and on the law contained in these instructions. Deciding a verdict is exclusively your job. I cannot participate in that decision in any way. Please disregard anything I or any other court personnel may have said or done that make you think I prefer one verdict over another. You may find the defendant guilty as charged in the indictment or guilty of such lesser included crimes as the evidence may justify or not guilty. If you return a verdict of guilty, it should be for the highest offense on the verdict form for each count that has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

(49:02)
If you find that no offense has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, then of course your verdict must be not guilty. The verdict must be unanimous, that is all of you must agree to the same verdict. Only one verdict may be returned as to each crime charge. The verdict must be in writing and for your convenience, the necessary verdict form has been prepared for you. It is as follows and it's not in your packet. So it reads State of Florida versus Kaylin Savannah Deller, verdict count one of the indictment. We the jury find the defendant Kaylin Savannah Deller as follows as to count one of the indictment. Please choose only one as to count one. The first choice is guilty as charged of the crime of first degree murder. The second choice is guilty of the lesser included offense of second degree murder.

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If you find the defendant guilty of secondary degree murder, do you also find beyond a reasonable doubt that during the commission of the offense, the defendant, please answer yes or no to each of the following and the interrogatories that you have to answer for that count is actually possessed a firearm, yes or no, discharged a firearm, yes or no, inflicted death on Chad Mullen, yes or no, carried, displayed, used, threatened to use, or attempted to use a firearm, yes or no.

(50:29)
The next choice under count one is guilty of lesser included offense of manslaughter. And if you find the defendant guilty of manslaughter, do you also find beyond a reasonable doubt that during the commission of the office, the defendant, please answer yes or no to the following: carried, displayed, used, threatened to use, or attempted to use a firearm, yes or no? And then the final choice is not guilty. Count two of the indictment. We the jury find the defendant Kaylin Savannah Deller as follows as to count two of the indictment. Please choose only one as to count two. Guilty as charged of the crime of tampering with or fabricating physical evidence. If you find the defendant guilty of tampering with or fabricating physical evidence, do you also find beyond a reasonable doubt the following? Please answer yes or no to the following, the tampering with or fabricating related to a criminal trial proceeding or investigation of a capital felony, choices are yes or no.

(51:30)
And then the second choice on the count two is not guilty. Count three of the indictment, we the jury find the defendant Kaylin Savannah Deller as follows as to count three of the indictment. Please choose only one as to count three, guilty as charged of the crime of failure to report death of a person with intent to conceal the death or alter the evidence or circumstances surrounding such death or not guilty. The bottom of the verdict form says, so say we all. It would be dated Palatka, Putnam County, Florida. Today's date...

Speaker 12 (52:04):

15th.

Judge Alicia Washington (52:08):

15th? Is the 15th. You select the foreperson, the foreperson would date it, sign it and print their name. A separate crime is charged in each count of the indictment and although they have been tried together, each crime and the evidence applicable to it must be considered separately and a separate verdict returned as to each. A finding of guilty or not guilty as to one crime must not affect your verdict as to the other crimes charged. And state, were the instructions read as agreed?

Speaker 12 (52:45):

Yes, Your Honor.

Judge Alicia Washington (52:45):

And defense, were the instructions read as agreed?

Speaker 13 (52:49):

Yes, your Honor.

Judge Alicia Washington (52:50):

All right. So I'm going to turn it over to the state and defense for closings. They may be a little limpy. Would you prefer to take a quick break before we start the closings or you want to just get started? All right everyone. All right, state.

Speaker 12 (53:38):

She lured Chad Mullen to her property at 465 San Mateo Road, took him to the back of the property behind a barn, shot him twice and killing him. Then afterwards, she eventually dragged Mr. Mullen's body to a pond and several days later, two or three days later, she pulled Mr. Mullen's body out of the pond once it floated back up, it had a cinder block tied to it, but it floated back up and with the help of her friend, she buried the body at Burns Farm in St. John's County committing the crime of tampering physical evidence. And by the very fact that she shot and killed Mr. Mullen, she never reported it to law enforcement or the medical examiner and then took steps to conceal the body. She committed the crime of failure to report death of a person with intent to conceal the death or alter the evidence or circumstances surrounding the death.

(54:43)
So I know we just listened through the elements of the three crimes. I do want to just quickly go through those elements and briefly apply some of the facts that came in and circumstances, the testimony to those elements, and then I want to go through all the facts and some of the evidence or the testimony that you were presented during this trial. So we learned just a couple minutes ago that first degree murder involves three elements. First element is Chad Mullen's dead and we've heard testimony from the medical examiner and obviously you've seen pictures of Mr. Mullen's body. That's an obvious proof that's been approved in this court, Chad Mullen is dead. The death was caused by the criminal act of Kaylin Deller. Well, we know through Ms. Deller's own testimony that she killed Mr. Mullen. We're arguing that it was a criminal act involved in that killing, that the defendant intentionally caused the death, killed Mr. Mullen on September 9th.

(55:56)
Then element three, there was a premeditated killing of Chad Mullen. Well, we've had testimony through Mr. Wittell that the defendant admitted to him, she lured Mr. Mullen to her property on September 9th under the guise of talking about the relationship. So she started forming this premeditated intent prior to the killing. She knew what she was going to do. She intended to do what she did and she did it. And then to continue with that premeditated intent, after she shot Mr. Mullen once and Mr. Mullen looked up at her while her gun jammed, the defendant could have stopped, could have walked away. No, she shot him again. Ladies and gentlemen, it's proof that the defendant had the premeditated intent to kill Chad Mullen.

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So we heard the definition of an act, what an act is and killing with premeditation. I don't want to read that definition for you, but I want to kind of just go over just a discussion of what premeditated intent to kill is. So premeditated intent to kill must be formed prior to the killing and it must be long enough to allow for reflection by the defendant. So the defendant has to have this intent to kill, conscious intent formed prior to the killing, and then there's a period of reflective though that the defendant can essentially change course, that there's enough time for the defendant to form this intent and then make a decision to change course and not go through that killing. What's important is that there's no requirement to establish a minimum amount of time that must pass between formation of the intent to kill and the killing.

(57:47)
So in other words, premeditated intent to kill, regardless of what a lot of people may think, that involves weeks of planning or days of planning, writing down a manifesto of what you're going to do, a blueprint of what you plan to do, that's not required at all. You just need to have that conscious intent to commit the killing and a period of time for reflective thought. So in fact, premeditated intent to kill can be formed in a matter of seconds prior to the murder. Again, as long as there was a conscious decision to kill and enough time in that circumstance for the defendant to reflect and change course. You were advised of the lesser included crimes for first degree murder, which are second degree murder and manslaughter. I'm not going to go through those elements. You've heard them already. The state's position is that the defendant committed first degree murder. However, if you don't believe the state proved the highest charge first degree murder, you can consider second degree murder, second degree murder with a firearm and manslaughter as lesser offenses if you don't believe the state proved the highest charge, first degree murder. Tampering of physical evidence. We learned that to prove the crime of tampering with physical evidence, the state must prove two elements. Kailyn Deller knew that criminal trial proceeding or investigation by a duly constituted prosecuting authority or law enforcement agency was pending or was about to be instituted. And then number two, she altered, destroyed, concealed, removed the body of Chad Mullen and/or the ropes, ratchet straps, [inaudible 00:59:37], cinder block, grappling hook, or other items with the purpose of impairing fluidity or availability in such proceedings or investigation.

(59:43)
Well, the very fact that after the defendant shot and killed Mr. Mullen, dragging him to using ropes, ratchets, straps, a hook, netting, tarp to drag him to a pond, tying a cinder block to him to sink his body, and then two or three days later, removing him from that pond and moving him to a grave, that's evidence that she took steps to conceal, destroy, hide the evidence, knowing that there was an investigation or likely an investigation afoot or about to begin and was occurring at the time she committed this crime.

(01:00:28)
And then again, you were instructed that you find tampering with physical evidence and you also must make a decision that was this in furtherance of a crime that's a capital felony, you learn that first degree murder is a capital felony. And then the third charge, failure to report death of the person with intent to conceal the death or alter the evidence or circumstances surrounding such death. Well, once she committed the murder, when she killed Chad Mullen, she obviously did not report it to law enforcement, did not report it to the medical examiner, and then she took steps to conceal what she did so no one would ever find out, no investigation would uncover what she did.

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So let's just go over some of the evidence, a little bit of testimony. We saw pictures of the three individuals involved in this case. We have the picture of the defendant, Chad Mullen and Tina Lee Marie Ellis, who assisted the defendant in hiding and moving the body. I wanted to show you just some pictures of Chad Mullen's left arm, and this was important because as we discussed during trial, you heard testimony that one of the ways the medical examiner identified the body that was exhumed was through the tattoos on Mr. Mullen's left arm. So let's just kind of review the different places involved in this case. There's four locations which were important in this investigation. We have the victim's residence at 128 Keystone Road in Palatka. You have the defendant's farm, Stormy Stables, at 465 San Mateo Road in San Mateo, Putnam County.

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You have Tina Lee Marie Ellis's address at 131 Pine Street in Putnam County. And then you have Burns Farm at 880 Hastings Federal Point Road in Hastings, St. John's. And where you see that yellow thumbtack is the location where Chad Mullen's body was recovered. This was a farm that was a rural area of the county and a rural secluded area of the farm just off the road that would not be traveled by anyone unless they have particular business there or live off of that road. And then just kind of a blown up picture of all four properties that again are important in this investigation. Chad Mullen's residence on the upper left corner, Hastings Farm, upper middle to the right a little bit, and then towards the bottom in the middle you have the defendant's farm and then Tina Marie Ellis' location towards the middle left.

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So let's just kind of go through the outline of events a little bit. We heard testimony that Chad Mullen and defendant were not in the best type of relationship, an on again, off again type of relationship, constantly breaking up and getting back together. In early September 2024, one of Chad Mullen's friends, Steven Williams, gave him an iPhone 11 with the phone number 312-933-7943. He loaned him this phone because Chad, Mr. Mullen was having problems with his phone and needed the phone, so his friend loaned him his phone, a spare phone that he had. On September 8th, 2024, this was a Sunday, Mr. Mullen was last seen by another one of his friends, Mr. Killian, sometime after 8:00 PM when Mr. Mullen called Mr. Killian after he broke down in Green Cove Springs to ask him to come out, maybe help him get the car back on the road, help him fix it.

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They weren't able to do that. Mr. Killian instead loaned Mr. Mullen a truck, one of his trucks so Mr. Mullen could go to traffic court the next day, September 9th. Then on September 9th, you heard that Mr. Killian went to Chad Mullen's house, picked up his truck, but Chad Mullen wasn't there, or at least didn't see him at the property.

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Continuing with this outline of events, again, I just want to just briefly touch on some of these main events that were discussed through testimony or that you saw through physical evidence. So September 9th, the defendant calls Mr. Mullen after 8:30 PM. She lures him to her house under the guise of working on the relationship. She picks him up at his house and drives him to her property, Stormy Stables. Now remember, Chad Mullen didn't have his truck. He didn't have a truck, he didn't have a vehicle. So the defendant picked him up. Defendant drove from her location in San Mateo to pick up Chad Mullen to bring him back to her house. He didn't go to her property. He didn't drive there. She picked him up. And then on September 9th, sometime around 9:30, Mr. Mullen was killed. And I'm going to tighten that time period up in a minute, but just for this purpose, right around 9:30, the defendant kills Mr. Mullen.

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Afterwards, on September 9th at 9:35 PM, so within minutes of killing Mr. Mullen, defendant calls a friend of hers, Michelle Roberts, 386- 937-7654. She was on a cruise at that time. She reported that or testified that the defendant was crying. She was hysterical. She couldn't understand really what she was talking about and she was worried. But since she was on a cruise, there's nothing she could do for the defense. So Ms. Roberts contacted her cousin, Tina Marie Ellis, to see if she could check on the defendant. Now, September 10th, 2024 at 1:30 PM, Mr. Mullen's Find My Phone app pings for the last time where his phone was located or where it was last located. And that was at the defendant's farm, 465 San Miguel Road, September 10th, 2024 at 1:13 PM. And we saw the Find My Phone app screenshot. And again, there's the defendant's farm to the right. And the Find My Phone app documents that his phone was last documented at that location, September 10th at 1:13 PM.

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So continuing with the outline of events on September 13th, 2024, this was a Friday, defendant went to Sean and Angela Russo's house. She's crying. She's frantic. Mr. Russo testified the following. He said defendant said she knows Mr. Mullen's dead, but he came back. She asked him what would they do if someone touched their child and if she had a right to punish him for what he did to her daughter, referring to Chad, Chad Mullen. She then said after she was told, you don't have a right to react in such a way or harm someone if you believe they harmed your child or harmed you. She then said, she's not punishing his soul, she's punishing his body. Well, not only did Sean Russo tell you this, this interaction that they had with the defendant on April 13th, five days after the defendant killed Mr. Mullen, but his wife testified essentially a mirror image of what her husband testified.

(01:09:01)
She testified that, again, the defendant asked her what she would do if someone touched her child and Ms. Russo said she would effing kill them, but you can't do that. You can't do that. Defendant then asked her, "Don't I have a right to punish someone for touching my child?" And one thing the defendant never said and both Mr. Russo and Angela Russo testified that the one thing the defendant never says is that she was acting in self-defense or that Chad Mullen was attacking her that night. She never said that to either one of them. Again, five days after the murder, this was a older couple who opened up their home to defendant and her daughter in a time of their need. Defendant treated Angela Russo as a confidant, someone that she could speak to and discuss what's going on in her life with. What would their motivation be?

Speaker 12 (01:10:00):

... life with. What would their motivation be to come to court and give false testimony against the defendant? Why would they come up here and say and just make up that defendant never told them she was acting in self-defense? What would be their motivation to do that? This is a couple that opened their house up to the defendant, opened their house up to her daughter. September 15th, 2024, Kelly Stronso reports Mr. Mullen missing. So Kelly, Ms. Stronso was the mother of Chad's daughter, Holly Mullen. And she testified that on September 15th, friends and family weren't getting return calls from Mr. Mullen. No one knew where he was, so she reports him missing to law enforcement.

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Case is assigned to Lieutenant Fussell, at the time, Detective Fussell, back on September 17th, 2024. This was a missing person's case at this time. They didn't know what the situation was. They didn't know if anyone was alive or dead. It was a missing person's report. At this point, they need to start investigating to figure out where is this person. On that same day, Lieutenant Fussell goes to where defendant's core stables are located at 465 San Mateo Road. After learning that she used to date or had a relationship with Chad Mullen, so of course you're going to go to the people, someone's house or contact someone that has a close relationship with the missing person, and that would've been the defendant. And then by the very fact that he was provided information of this Find My Phone app, which last pinged on September 10th at the defendant's farm, naturally he's going to go to that location.

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He also goes to Chad Mullen's house. Property was messy, but no signs of foul play, nothing suspicious to him when he went to the location. And that's when he meets, that same day he meets with Mr. Killian. And Mr. Killian tells him about receiving a call from Mr. Mullen September 8th about his truck breaking down at Green Cove Springs and how he'd loaned him his truck so he can go to traffic court the next day. September 18th, Lieutenant Fussell met with Angela Sean Russo and they both told him what happened, their interaction with the defendant on September 13th, how she was crying and upset and said that Mr. Mullen was dead.

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On September 20th, Lieutenant Fussell is involved in search warrant execution on the defense stables at 465 San Mateo. At that time, again, this is a missing persons case. There's nothing that they realized or knew at the time what they observed at the stables, what they took pictures of, nothing at that time was real evidence or anything that was obvious to them what's going on here. But they did document inside the defense barn all the nets and straps, all the horse riding regalia and tools involving horse riding, which those pictures certainly show that defendant had access to all these types of straps and ropes and cords that were used and found with Mr. Mullen's body ,that were used to drag his body and eventually bury him. But this is where she got all these items from, from her barn.

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So this is the front of the defendant's property at 465 San Mateo. You can see the two barns in the background, the barn to the left, barn to the right, a picture from the back of the property looking towards the barns. One of the two ponds that were on the defendant's property, picture of her truck, her phone number written clearly on the side, 386-466-4049. And again, those pictures from inside the barn, they didn't know the significance of these pictures at the time, but it documents all the straps, all the horse riding type of instruments that are hanging inside her barn.

(01:14:49)
So these pictures also document another important fact, the missing red hook, which was found buried with Mr. Mullen's body and recovered on September 12th. That red hook that was found with Mr. Mullen's body was actually documented by the defendant herself and recovered from a download of her Google account where her videos and her pictures that she took on her phone were saved in this Google account. And what's important is those pictures and video, that red hook that the defendant captured herself when she took pictures inside of her barn sometime earlier, we don't know when, but sometime earlier, and that red hook was found September 12th with Mr. Mullen's body. When law enforcement executed that search warrant in September, that red hook was not hanging on that wall. It was missing.

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So here's the defendant's video of that red hook hanging on her barn or inside her barn and pay close attention to that cabinet right below. So I'm going to show you something in one of the search warrant pictures. So that red hook again that she captured hanging on the inside of her barn, same red hook found with Mr. Mullen's body, there it is in her video, missing when law enforcement conducted the search warrant in September. That's that same cabinet. I'll go back. There's a cabinet a little bit different angle. There's that same cabinet, the red hook above, this is the law enforcement search warrant picture. It's missing.

(01:16:44)
A couple of feet back, different view, still missing. And then from the opposite end of the barn, looking straight forward towards the back of the barn, again, there's that same cabinet, red hook is missing. There's the red hook found with the victim's body at Hastings Farm. On September 21st, Kenneth Waddell... Kenneth Waddell, who is the father of, at the time, the defendant's five-year-old daughter, received a call from the defendant days earlier, right around September 13th, I believe. And she told him that she's being investigated for this missing persons case. And during this phone call, the way the defendant was acting, Mr. Waddell started getting concerned. And he decided to drive all the way down from Illinois to Palatka to be in town so at least he can be there for his daughter if something happened, if she was taken into custody, that at least he can be there to take the daughter.

(01:18:04)
He rented the hotel room that night on September 21st and invited the defendant and the five-year-old daughter to stay with him. When she shows up, she appeared upset, like she hadn't slept for a while. And for the next three days while she's staying with Mr. Waddell, she starts revealing what happened to Chad Mullen and what she did. And if you recall, when he testified up there, he told you that she told him, that she confessed that she killed Mr. Mullen on her farm behind the barn. Earlier on the night, she told what happened was she lured Mr. Mullen by calling him to say that she's picking him up and that she wanted to talk to him about their relationship. At the farm, she shot Mr. Mullen twice. After the first shot, the gun jammed.

(01:19:09)
And he told you that she said that she told him that as she's working to unjam the gun, Mr. Mullen's looking up at her, staring at her, a stare that she will never forget. And then she shoots him again. And she told Mr. Waddell that she used a nine millimeter. She told him that you wouldn't believe the role her horse Stormy played in dragging the body to her truck. She told him that a friend helped her conceal the body and was first placed in water. And she told him she did this because she believed Mr. Mullen abused their five-year-old daughter, allegations which were unfounded.

(01:20:07)
So two important takeaways from this confession to Mr. Waddell. She told him, "You'll probably be the one to put me in prison." And number two, at no point did she ever tell Mr. Waddell that Chad Mullen attacked her, came after her, or that she was acting in self- defense. Never told Mr. Waddell that. One more takeaway from Mr. Waddell's testimony, and you heard this on rebuttal. He testified that defendant was actually experienced with guns. She kept them on the property, they actually kept him on the property, that they would occasionally shoot in the back of her stables and that she had experience loading, unloading, cocking, and un-jamming firearms.

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One more important takeaway I want you to keep in mind with Mr. Waddell's testimony. On September 23rd, Lieutenant Fussell interviewed Mr. Waddell. He told him everything we just discussed. He has been consistent every time he's relayed this story. He told this story to Lieutenant Fussell prior to any knowledge about a reward or Crime Stoppers reward. But one more important fact about the story that he told Mr. Fussell or Lieutenant Fussell. He told this story and he told Lieutenant Fussell that the defendant told him she used a nine millimeter firearm. And this was long before FDLE determined that the caliber of the projectile fragments pulled from Mr. Mullen's body were consistent with nine millimeter rounds. This was long before FDLE made that determination.

(01:22:17)
September 30th, 2024, Lieutenant Fussell receives the cellular phone records from Mr. Mullen's phone. He plots the GPS points and discovers that on September 10th after 3:00 AM, Mr. Mullen's phone travels as far east as State Road 206 and I-95 in St. John's County. It then passes through the intersection of 206 and US-1 around 3:45 heading west on SR 206 back towards Putnam County. Well, when he looked at the license plate reader camera that was located at 206 and I- 95, right around this time period corresponding to the GPS coordinates on Mr. Mullen's phone, he saw a white GMC SUV with tag number NHQR17 pass through that intersection.

(01:23:22)
And then around the same time or sometime afterwards, that same SUV is heading west through State Road 206 and US-1. Now he wasn't able to preserve the license plate reader from 206 and 95, but he did preserve the video from 206 and US-1 right around 3:47 AM. And if this works, we will see again right around 3:47 AM, just a little bit after we see a white GMC SUV pull up to the intersection of US-1, 206 heading west on 206. And this white SUV, when he ran the tag, came back to Tina Marie Ellis who lives at 131 Pine Street.

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Law enforcement conducted a search warrant at that location, Tina Marie Ellis's house, 131 Pine Street, documented the white GMC SUV with NHQR17 tag sitting in the driveway and they seized it. So on October 28th, 2024, acting on a tip, biggest break in this case, Lieutenant Fussell and K9 Officer Vore searched the property of Burns Farm at 880 Hastings Federal Point Road where they discovered Chad Mullen's body buried under a mound. We have pictures from that farm in that location. Again, this is a rural area of the county and a rural section of the farm. It's an overgrown area, a rundown house that's sitting off the street. This is a road that no one would really have any business driving on unless they had business at the farm or lived off that road, especially not early hours in the morning, 12:00 to 4:00 or 5:00 AM.

(01:25:46)
In this picture we see as they're excavating Mr. Mullen's body, start revealing all the straps, the ropes, the nets, the red hook. You can kind of see to the right of the picture and a cinder block attached to his body. In this picture, we can clearly see the tribal tattoo on Mr. Mullen's left arm matching the live picture from Mr. Mullen. October 30th, 2024, the medical examiner identified the body belonging to Chad Mullen based on his tattoos. She testified that the body had moderate to severe decomposition. With the body were the straps, propel netting, the red hook, cinder block tied to him. Mr. Mullen had two entrance wounds consistent with two gunshots, which is consistent with what Mr. Waddell told you, two gunshots. One to the right shoulder and second one that entered the left arm and then eventually entered the chest. Both rounds perforated both the one round hitting the right lung, left side round hitting or perforating the left lung.

(01:27:29)
Fragments from those projectiles were recovered, three fragments in total, one from the right lung and then one from the left chest cavity and the left lung. And it was Dr. Lesnikova's opinion that both gunshots would've caused significant hemorrhaging and the death of Chad Mullen. Here we have the x-ray. We have the three projectile fragments. You have two of them that are just on either side, looks like in this radiograph or this x-ray of the spine. And then if you look at what would be the left side of the body, the fragment that's embedded just by the rib cage. And these were the three projectiles, the one from the fragments of the projectiles, one from the left chest wall, one from the left lung and one from the right lung.

(01:28:29)
She also documented all the straps, all the ropes, the netting that was used to bind Mr. Mullen's body. I would submit to you that helps someone to move the body. You bind the body, you tie it up, you make it tight, easier to move. Even a young woman who weighs much less than Mr. Mullen, it makes it easier for her to then attach it to a horse or what she claimed was an ATV and to move that body. There's a picture of the red hook, picture of the purple netting, which you saw in person in the court.

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November 4th, 2024, Lieutenant Fussell received the data from the defendant's Google account, which includes pictures inside the barn. We talked about that. We showed those pictures. Those pictures also document that she had access to netting on her property as she kept it as a typical for inside of a horse barn. On November 6th, 2024, Lieutenant Fussell received screenshots of text messages between Tina Marie Ellis and William Burns where they discussed Ellis using a skid steer on September 12th, 2024. However, she wasn't using it to build a parking place. She was using it to bury Mr. Mullen in shallow grave. Here's the text messages I highlighted Thursday, September 12th, 1:57 PM. This is Tina Marie Ellis's phone number, 386-336-5446. And then to your far right, I highlighted she texted Mr. Burns, "I like your new Bobcat. It's nice. I used it for my parking spot." We know she didn't use it for a parking spot.

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She used it to bury and conceal Chad Mullen. So on April 25th, Mr. Killian and his girlfriend took over the maintenance of Stormy Stables. So after this case was pretty much wrapped up, approximately six months later, Mr. Killian testified that him and his girlfriend took over the maintenance of Stormy Stables. And as they were kind of cleaning up the property, they locate behind the barn Chad's ID and bank card. This was behind the main barn to the left. So there's that barn to the left, if you remember the left of the picture where these cards were located. And that's important because that's not consistent with where the defendant claims she shot Mr. Mullen on the side of the barn. These cards were located behind the barn, which would make sense. If you're going to plan someone's murder and commit that murder, you're going to do it further away, further in back of the property behind structures, behind anything that might conceal what you're doing if someone's driving down the road. I'm going to just briefly, I know we spent a long time yesterday on the cell phone mapping evidence and historical cell site data. I do want to touch on that a little bit before we begin to go into that. Again, here are the numbers that are important. You have the defendant's numbers, phone number, Chad Mullen, Tina Marie Ellis, and Michelle Roberts. First of all, I want to talk about just the number of phone calls that the defendant made to Chad Mullen between September 2nd and September 9th. So between September 2nd and September 9th, and we saw the condensed record of this activity from the defendant's phone records, the defendant calls Chad Mullen between those dates a total of 26 times.

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After 8:33 PM September 9th, she calls them zero. Here are those condensed phone records, the 26 times between September 2nd and September 9th, she, the defendant, calls Chad Mullen. And we expand these records a little bit more and include additional events. So between September 2nd and September 9th, the number of times Mr. Mullen and the defendant either called each other, attempted to call each other, or texted each other. We expanded out to that many times in those many events between the 2nd and 9th, there are a total of 89 attempted calls to texts between the defendant and Chad Mullen between September 2nd and September 9th. After 8:33 PM, September 9th, it's zero.

(01:33:25)
Obviously, calls and texts stopped because just after sometime around 9: 30 PM on September 9th, 2024, the defendant shot and killed Mr. Mullen. So just kind of briefly going over the cell site history and that activity and the mapping involved. So this is a legend, and again, just kind of documenting the four properties that are important in this investigation. You have Chad Mullen's residence, kind of upper middle, and it's in red. You have Burns Farm in the middle more towards the right of the screen in blue. And bottom middle, you have the defendant's residence or farm in yellow and Tina Marie Ellis's residence in green.

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In this slide, we have the time period on September 9th, 2024 between 8:00 and 8:30 PM. And during that time, right around 8:16 PM, you can see the defendant's phone is moving towards Mr. Mullen's house. Mr. Mullen's house is in red. The defendant's house or farm is yellow. So her phone is moving towards that location towards Chad Mullen's residence right around 8:16 PM. By 8:25, her phone is nearly at or is at Chad Mullen's house. Our next slide, between 8:30 and 8:59 PM, what we see is that right around 8:48, both the defendant's phone and Mr. Mullen's phone are now moving south towards the defendant's residence in the yellow house. They're moving south. You can follow those red arrows as they're moving, and that's right around 8:48 PM. So she's already picked them up. They're now driving back towards her house.

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This slide between 9:00 and 9:30 PM, you again follow the red arrows. They're getting closer. Both the defendant's phone and Mr. Mullen's phone are getting closer to the defendant's farm at 465 San Mateo. Between 9:32 and 10:30 PM, so at 9:32, both phones, both the defendant's phone and Chad Mullen's phone are pinging right around the area of the defendant's farm at 465 San Mateo Road. But at 9:42 PM, only the defendant's phone moves and her phone begins moving west towards Tina Marie Ellis's house, which you can see in green. Only her phone moves. Chad Mullen's phone's still near the property. And I would submit to you that this gives you the time period of when Chad Mullen was shot and killed. I would submit to you that the defendant shot and killed Chad Mullen sometime, give or take, 9:30 to 9:42, because by 9:42, defendant starts leaving the property and Mr. Mullen's phone is left at the property. Between 10:30 and 11:59, we can see that the defendant returns to her property at Stormy Stables. Between 12:01 AM and 1:00 AM, you can see that both the defendant's phones and Chad Mullen's phone are pinging in the area of Stormy Stables. Between 1:00 and 1:56 AM, the defendant's phone is moving back towards Ms. Ellis's house right around 1:15 AM. At this time, Mr. Mullen's phone is traveling with her, and both phones are heading towards the direction of Ms. Ellis's house. At between 2:07 and 2:58 in the morning, now we have the defendant, Mr. Mullen and Tina Ellis's phone. All three phones are consistent with being at Tina Marie Ellis's house. So all three phones between this 2:07 and 2: 58 time period are consistent with being in the location of Tina Marie Ellis's house. Now, the next five slides, I'm just going to go through them, just present them quickly and then give some explanation.

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But the next five slides starting at the time period of 3:04 AM and ending at just before 5:00 AM, so between 3:04 AM and 4:59 AM, those five slides document that all three phones are now heading northeast past... Well, at some point, drive by the location of where Mr. Mullen was buried at Burns Farm and continue as far east as State Road 206 and I-95. And then the phone start heading back west into Palatka and arrive in the Palatka area by 5:00 in the morning. And I would submit to you that it was during this two hour period of time between 3:04 AM and just around 5:00 AM that the defendant and Ms. Ellis were scouting the area looking for a place to hide or conceal or dump Mr. Mullen's body. It was during that period of time they were scouting. They weren't going to Burns Farm at four in the morning so Ms. Ellis could pick up the check. They were scouting a rural area that they could eventually dump Mr. Mullen's body.

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The last slide I want to show you now, this is from September 12th, so three days after the shooting. And this is this three hour time period between 2:15 AM and just before 5:00 AM. So nearly three hours. This shows that both the defendant and Ms. Ellis phones are pinging in the area of Burns Farm. They're there for nearly three hours. Plenty of time for someone to use a skid steer, bury a body and cover it with a mound of dirt. I apologize, it's a little bit small print. I probably should have broken this up with a couple of slides, but let's just briefly talk about the defense testimony. It simply does not make sense. It's not consistent. It doesn't make sense. A couple of takeaways from her story. Keep in mind, she sat through a two-day trial, listened to all the witnesses, viewed all the evidence just as you did.

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She heard it all before she told her story of self-defense. So she had plenty of time to prepare. That night from September 9th throughout September, she could have called law enforcement to report that Mr. Mullen attacked her or charged at her or did something to her, but she never did. But she also had three opportunities during that period of time to tell three different people that she was attacked by Mr. Mullen that night. She could have told Ms. Roberts on September 9th. She could have told the Russos on September 13th. She could have told Mr. Waddell between September 21st and 23rd that she was attacked, that she was defending herself, but she never did.

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She claims that Mr. Mullen was verbally abusive and violent after they broke up, yet she called him 26 times between September 2nd and September 9th. That doesn't sound like someone who's scared or feels threatened by someone. She knew Mr. Mullen didn't have an operating vehicle on September 9th, that she drove to his house to pick him up, drive him back to her farm in a rural part of town, took him to the back of the property where no one else was around, very little lighting, and that's where he fixed her headlight. Does that make sense?

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And then at that moment, right after he fixes her headlight, she decides to confront Mr. Mullen about allegations of touching her daughter. Does that make sense? Is that the time and place to do it? You're now going to accuse someone of a horrific crime, something that's probably one of the things that's going to invoke the most emotion from someone. You're going to accuse someone else of touching the child and she chooses that time, that location, that place to do it. She claims that after she confronted him, he got angry, pushed her against the truck, choked her. Yet miraculously, she was able to reach for a gun inside her truck and back him off. Yet he grabs a hammer and starts advancing towards her as she has a gun trained on him. She has a gun trained on him, backed him up, yet he grabs a hammer and starts coming towards her. Does that make sense?

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She claims she shot at him twice. He fell to the ground. She got into her truck and left for Ellis's house. She then returns to the farm with Ellis thinking, "Well, Mr. Mullen probably left by now." Now keep in mind, she said Mr. Mullen fell to the ground after she shot him twice. Does she think she didn't hit him? Does she think it was just a simple flesh wound? He would just stand up, brush it off and walk away? Does that make sense? This is a grown woman, a woman who's raised a child, raising a child, runs a business and she testified that she wanted to call 911, yet she takes her orders from Tina Marie Ellis and was talked out of it. Does that make sense? She testified that she and Ms. Ellis drove around town three in the morning on September 10th-

Speaker 12 (01:45:00):

... Round town, 3:00 in the morning on September 10th, as far east as St. Augustine with Mr. Mullen's phone in the car. Does that make sense that they were out driving to pick up a check from Burns Farm from Ms. Ellis or just to visit with Ms. Ellis's boyfriend? That doesn't make sense. What they were doing at that period of time, they were scouting the area for a place to hide and conceal Mr. Mullen's body. Lastly, she testified she never reported to police that she suspected Mr. Mullen abused her child. And on cross-exam, she said the reason she did this, the reason she didn't report it to police is because she doesn't call the police over every little thing.

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Does that make sense? This is just a little thing? An accusation of child abuse is just a little thing? I would submit to you that her story simply does not add up, does not make sense. She is not being truthful. On September 9th, 2024, this defendant formed a premeditated intent to kill Chad Mullen when she lured him to her property under the guise of talking about their relationship. She had plenty of time for reflective thought, had plenty of time to change course. She didn't. She also had plenty of time to change course after she shot Mr. Mullen once when the gun jammed. She had plenty of time for reflective thought, to change course, to stop what she's doing, but she didn't. She continued through her plans and she ended up killing Mr. Mullen.

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With the help of Tina Lee-Ellis, she committed tampering with physical evidence involving a capital crime by altering, destroying, concealing, removing his body or the items that she used to transport his body to impair an investigation into where Mr. Mullen was. Where was he missing? What happened to Mr. Mullen? She did that to impair the investigation to prevent law enforcement finding out what happened to Chad Mullen and where he was buried. She then failed to report his death with the intent to conceal the death and alter the evidence or circumstances surrounding his death to law enforcement, the medical examiner, with the intent to conceal Mr. Mullen's death and the circumstances surrounding it. Again, she never reported to law enforcement that Mr. Mullen died, never reported to the medical examiner's office, and she hid all the evidence associated with that death to prevent anyone from finding out. When you've listened to all the closing arguments, when you go back to that jury room to look, to deliberate, you go through all the testimony. There's two days of testimony, a lot of testimony, a lot of physical evidence.

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But after you go through all the evidence and you deliberate, we ask that you find this defendant guilty as charged. Thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:48:01):

Thank you. We'll take a brief recess.

Speaker 15 (01:48:06):

All rise and jurors exit the courtroom.

Speaker 14 (01:48:47):

All right. I'm figuring it'd be about maybe 10 minutes. They're probably [inaudible 01:48:51] in the restroom. So court will be in recess.

Speaker 15 (01:48:51):

All rise. Jury enter the courtroom.

Speaker 14 (02:14:39):

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All right, everyone can be seated. All right. And then everyone ready? All right. And then Mr. Smith.

Mr. Smith (02:15:17):

Life can change in a matter of seconds. Ladies and gentlemen, I told you we're not going to stand here and tell you that everything Caylen did after defending herself was right. It wasn't. Caylen should have called 911. If she had done that, if she had done what she knew was right and called 911, she would not be facing the charges of tampering with physical evidence or failure to report a death of a person with intent to conceal the death or alter the evidence or circumstances surrounding such death. Instead, she chose to listen to her friend Tina. That decision comes with consequences, consequences that Caylen is willing to face.

(02:16:05)
She told you what she did. She told you that she put Chad in the pond. He floated up. And along with Tina, after dark, they took his body out to the farm. Tina used the skid steer to dig a shallow grave and bury him. These actions have consequences. Caylen admitted to those charges on the stand yesterday. One decision, one reaction, one moment that cannot be taken back. The judge has already read the instruction for weighing the evidence, but I'd like to go over it with you again. It is up to you to decide what evidence is reliable. You should use your common sense in deciding which is the best evidence and which evidence should not be relied upon in considering your verdict. You may find some of the evidence not reliable or less reliable than other evidence. You should consider how the witness acted as well as what they said.

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Some things you should consider are: did the witness seem to have an opportunity to see and know the things about which the witness testified? Did the witness seem to have an accurate memory? Was the witness honest and straightforward in answering the attorney's questions? Did the witness have some interest in how the case should be decided? Does the witness's testimony agree with the other testimony and other evidence in the case? Has the witness been offered or received any money, preferred treatment or other benefit in order to get the witness to testify? Did the witness at some other time make a statement that is inconsistent with the testimony he or she gave in court? Has the witness been convicted of a felony or misdemeanor involving dishonesty or false statement?

(02:18:08)
What this case really comes down to is who do you believe? The Russos, Ken Waddell or Caylen Deller? So let's first talk about Sean Russo. He said Caylen showed up at his house around 10:00 PM on September 13th. This was four days after the shooting. Sean said Caylen was visibly upset, frantic, crying, shaking, and saying a lot of things. In fact, he told you he didn't have much faith in what she was saying based on her emotional state. She said that Chad was dead, which we know because she testified to that yesterday. She told you that she shot him when he came at her with a hammer. Now Sean said that Caylen gave what he considered to be a hypothetical. If someone were to touch your child, would you punish them? He also said that Caylen was talking about Chad coming back as a demon, and talking about demons and that she punished his body, not his soul. But what didn't she tell Sean? She didn't tell him she shot Chad. She didn't tell him she put him in the pond. She didn't tell him that she buried him. All of these things we know are true because Caylen testified to it. She shot him out of fear for her own life. She put him in the pond listening to Tina and then when he floated up, her along with Tina took him out to Burns Farm, a place that was desolate, but Tina was very familiar with. You heard from William Burns. She worked there for a long period of time in the middle ...

Mr. Smith (02:20:00):

... she worked there for a long period of time in the middle of the night, and she used equipment that Tina was capable of using to dig this hole and move the dirt. But the most important thing Caylen didn't tell Sean was that she killed him. She never said, "I killed Chad." What she said is, "He's dead." The state wants you to believe that what Sean says is this hypothetical is a confession. She confessed to killing him. And then you heard from Angela yesterday. Her testimony was similar to Sean's, that she was very upset, very emotional when she showed up. She was crying, frantic, shaking, distressed.

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And her statements were the same about the demons and the hypothetical of punishing somebody. She repeatedly said Chad was dead. And in fact, I think what she said was, "She grabbed my wrist at one point and said, 'He's fucking dead.'" But she didn't say that Caylen told her, "I killed him. I shot him. I threw him in a pond. I buried him." She didn't say any of those details.

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Then we get to Ken. So Ken was living in Illinois at the time. He receives a call from Caylen asking her to come to Florida to pick up their daughter. He arrives in Florida, checks into a hotel. Caylen and Ostara stay with him over that weekend. I guess he checked in on a Saturday and they came on Saturday and stayed overnight into Sunday. And he said, "Well, over that two day period, I was getting bits and pieces of what happened." He testified that they never sat down and had a full-blown conversation of what happened start to finish. It was all bits and pieces here and there. He testified that Caylen didn't sleep for two days. She wasn't making any sense. And he even described it as it was insane talk.

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And he says, "Oh, well, Caylen told me she shot him and the gun jammed and cleared it and shot him again." But he never told Lieutenant Fussell that. He says that Caylen never told him it was self-defense and he never told Detective Fussell that she didn't tell him that. However, his testimony was inconsistent. When asked if he had told Detective Fussell that Ostara was taken to Rebecca Davis's house, he said, "No, I never said that." I showed him a transcript of his interview and then he admits, "Oh yeah, I did say that." When I asked him, "Did you tell Detective Fussell that Rebecca Davis was involved in moving the body?" "No, didn't say that." I showed him his transcript. "I see what it says in there. No, I didn't say it. I know it says I did. I didn't say that though." So he denied it when I showed him the transcript of his interview in which he said it. Now at trial, he says, "Well, I came to the conclusion that since Rebecca had given Caylen a gun about a month before, she must have been involved." That just doesn't make any sense.

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Another thing, he testified yesterday that Caylen had guns at the farm, but if she had guns, why was she getting a gun from Rebecca a month before? Lieutenant Fussell told you that he cleared Rebecca Davis of any involvement in this case. Ken also testified that he has convictions for crimes of dishonesty and false statement, and you are allowed to consider the inconsistencies in his statement when you're judging the credibility of his testimony. And it comes to the same with the convictions for crimes of dishonesty and false statement. You're allowed to consider those also. Ken told you that Caylen lured Chad over to the barn, lured him in the promises of getting back together. But just as the state said in their closing, in a seven day period, they communicated 89 times, 89. And the state wants to point out the 26 that came from Caylen. Seems like Chad was reaching out a little more. Chad's truck was broke down. We heard that from Steven Killian. We also heard that from Detective Fussell. It was left in Green Cone Springs. And Steven Killian testified that he had allowed Chad to use his truck on September 9th because he had court, traffic court.

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And now the state wants to make this big deal about these credit cards that were found behind the barn, and debit card, of Mr. Mullen. They were found by Mr. Killian seven months after this happened. But Mr. Killian took those cards to Detective Fussell. Detective Fussell didn't go get them from the farm. They served two search warrants on that farm and didn't find those cards. Caylen offered to allow Chad to use her truck and that's why Chad came over. Ked is putting his bits and pieces he got from Caylen along with other things he's heard and he's creating his own theory on what happened and who was involved.

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But what didn't Caylen tell Ken? She never told him where she put the body. She never told him the body was buried. Ken testified that him and Caylen went to the stable that weekend that he was here. She never said, "This is where it happened." She never showed him where it happened. She's just confiding in him, but they go to the stable and she doesn't tell him where it happened. And Caylen never told Ken that she planned to kill Chad. Now, Ken's talked to a number of media outlets. He's talked to the local news a few times. He's talked to this Classified Crime YouTube page a number of times as recently as April of this year.

(02:27:03)
He's had people reaching out to him, he said over Messenger. He's spoken to the Mullen family members. He's spoken to Willette, Chad's mother, on more than one occasion. He's spoken to Holly, Chad's daughter, on more than one occasion. He's spoken to Kelly, Holly's mother and Chad's ex, on more than one occasion. He's even gotten money from a GoFundMe in which a member of the Mullen family contributed $3,000. "He was told to come to Florida to get his daughter. He wanted her to be safe," he says, "He did not want to start going back to Caylen." You're allowed to consider all these factors when determining Ken's credibility.

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So who do we believe? A couple who spoke to Caylen four days after she shot someone she loved to save her life. A man who said that he didn't have much faith in what Caylen was saying due to her emotional state. She was crying, shaking, frantic, talking about people coming back as demons. That was all also confirmed by Angela's testimony yesterday, how she was acting, her emotional state. What about a guy that says he wants to protect his daughter? He tells Lieutenant Fussell he will not talk to him until he knows his daughter is safe. A man that took bits and pieces of what Caylen told him came up with his own conclusion of what happened and who was involved. He told Lieutenant Fussell that Rebecca Davis was involved, Caylen dropped her off, Ostara off at Rebecca Davis's house. That doesn't conform with the testimony. And when I questioned him about that, he said he never said it until I pointed it out that he actually did.

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His conclusion that Rebecca was involved was because she had given a gun to Caylen a month before. He refused to admit that he told Detective Fussell that she was involved when I pointed it out because he said she wasn't involved now. A man that has been convicted of crimes of dishonesty and false statements. Now the judge talked about the jury instruction earlier. She read you the jury instruction for justifiable use of deadly force and I'd like to go over that again. It is a defense to the crimes of first degree murder, second degree murder and manslaughter if the actions of Caylen Savannah Deller constituted the justifiable use of force. Deadly force means likely to cause death or great bodily harm. Great bodily harm means great as distinguished from slight, trivial, minor or moderate harm.

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Caylen Deller does not have the burden of proving that she was justified in using deadly force. Instead, for you to find the defendant guilty, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was not justified in using deadly force. The law on the justifiable use of deadly force is as follows. Caylen Deller was justified in using deadly force if she reasonably believed that such force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to herself. Caylen had an angry man grab her throat and choke her. She could not breathe. She was struggling to get him off of her. She grabbed a gun from under the seat to get him to stop and that worked as he backed away until Chad grabbed a hammer off the rail of the barn and came back towards her swinging it. She fired two shots causing Chad to drop so she could get away. It is reasonable to believe that an angry man that is bigger than you swinging a hammer would cause imminent death or great bodily harm.

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Caylen Savannah Deller had no duty to retreat before using deadly force. So Caylen does not have a duty to retreat, but she told you that she couldn't anyway. She was pinned up against the driver's seat of the truck with the door open and Chad was in front of her. Then when she gets him off of her, he grabs a hammer and comes back at her. She was pinned in the doorway. She had nowhere to go. The use of deadly force is justifiable if Caylen Savannah Deller reasonably believed that the force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to herself while resisting or attempting any attempt to commit aggravated assault and/or attempted aggravated battery upon her. Chad came towards her swinging a hammer. Soon after he had just been choking her and preventing her from breathing. A reasonable person would believe that if they were hit with a hammer, it would kill them or cause them great bodily harm. The only way to prevent being hit by someone swinging a hammer would be to shoot them.

(02:33:04)
In deciding whether Caylen Savannah Deller was justified in the use of deadly force, you must consider the circumstances at the time the force was used. The danger need not have been actual. However, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of imminent danger must have been so real the defendant actually believed the use of force was necessary. Moreover, to justify the use of deadly force, a reasonable, cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would've believed the use of deadly force was necessary. Caylen was pinned between the driver's side door of the truck and the seat with Chad swinging a hammer in front of her. A reasonably prudent person under those same circumstances would believe that deadly force, shooting the man approaching you swinging a hammer was necessary. If you find Caylen Savannah Deller, who because of prior threats or difficulties with Chad Mullen had reasonable grounds to believe that she was in danger of death or great bodily harm at the hands of Chad Mullen, you may consider this fact in determining whether the actions of Caylen Savannah Deller were those of a reasonable person. In considering the issue of self-defense, you may take into account the relative physical abilities and capabilities of Caylen Savannah Deller and Chad Mullen. You heard testimony yesterday that Chad was much heavier than Caylen back in September of 2024. You are allowed to consider there's difference in size when it comes to self-defense.

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Caylen told you what happened on September 9th, 2024. She asked Chad if he had inappropriately touched her daughter. She admitted probably wasn't the wisest thing to do, wasn't the wisest thing to ask at that time under those circumstances. It's understandable that someone would get upset when asked that question out of the blue, but Caylen told you he was angry. He choked her, pinned her against the front seat of the truck. She couldn't breathe. She couldn't get him off of her. She saw the gun, grabbed it, and Chad backed off. That worked until Chad grabbed the hammer and came back at her swinging. In fear for her life, Caylen fired two shots.

(02:35:45)
There are only two people that know what happened that night on September 9th, 2024, Caylen and Chad. Unfortunately, because of his actions, Chad is not here to tell us his side. The state wants you to believe that Caylen hiding the body is consciousness of guilt. They want you to believe that not calling 911 is consciousness of guilt. Caylen knew what she should have done and instead in a highly emotional and stressful moment, she listened to Tina. One decision, one reaction, one moment that cannot be taken back.

(02:36:29)
She admitted she was wrong. That was not consciousness of guilt. That was stupidity. That was making things worse. That was an emotional decision. That was a decision made after shooting someone to save her own life. This trial is not about whether Caylen made every right decision after the shooting, but whether Caylen reasonably believed she had to shoot Chad when he came toward her swinging a hammer to save her own life. We have asked you to hold the state to their burden of proving each and every element beyond a reasonable doubt. The judge has instructed you already whether the state has met its burden of proof does not depend upon the number of witnesses that it's called or upon the number of exhibits it has offered, but instead upon the nature and quality of the evidence presented. The state is not to be given credit because they called 21 witnesses and they had 40 pieces of evidence.

(02:37:39)
Based on the testimony of the witnesses, I would argue that this case boils down to three witnesses, Sean, Chad and Caylen. Sorry, Sean, Ken and Caylen. Today is the day to hold the state to their burden. They have failed to meet that burden. They have failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Caylen Deller was not justified in using deadly force. We trust that you are all hold them to that verdict and we ask that you return the only just verdict and that is finding Caylen Deller not guilty of first degree murder.

Judge Alicia Washington (02:38:21):

Thank you. Mr. Lewis?

Mr. Lewis (02:38:21):

Thank you, Judge. If it may please the court, defense counsel.

Judge Alicia Washington (02:38:23):

Yes, sir.

Mr. Lewis (02:38:25):

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury.

(02:38:26)
"Don't I have a right to punish someone who molests my child? I punished his body, not his soul. I did it because he molested Ostara." Not my words, ladies and gentlemen, the words of this defendant sitting right here and it gives you every clue as to why on September 9th, 2024, she lured Chad to Stormy Stables. She got him to the back of the barn. She fired a gun, shot him, it jammed, and she shot him again. And now two years later, she's telling a story of self-defense. Does that really sound reasonable? She got an opportunity to sit throughout trial and then get up here, ladies and gentlemen. And if you watched her testimony, when Mr. Smith was asking her questions, it was scripted out, almost robotic answering them. It's as if they practiced over and over. But if you notice when I asked questions, she stumbled. She couldn't really answer them straight. She had no emotion. Someone who was so upset for killing someone she loved or really liked, not one bit of emotion. Does that make any sense? Her story is unbelievable, and I'm going to walk you through some good lies she got caught in, and you're going to see how even though she sat through the whole trial, she messed up a little bit. She screwed up.

(02:40:36)
The judge is going to tell you the reasonable doubt, and I just want you to keep this in mind because this is the standard. It's basically doubt that is based on reasoning and common sense, and all of you have common sense and reasoning. What does your common sense tell you in this case? And I submit to your common sense radar. She's lying. Nothing she said is true. Well, maybe parts of it. Put him in the water. She did shoot him, that's true. But everything else she formulated around it just doesn't make sense, ladies and gentlemen. Let's go through a few things. I won't spend too long on this.

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This is important. We have our map here and Mr. Smith kind of glossed over it, tried to minimize it, but I put a little blue box here because this is where Caylen Deller says they were at, right? So she says on the side here, he gets out and then she shoots him right here. Then she gets her friends or whatever, and we'll talk about the timeframe because she made some costly mistakes with that. But then they tie Chad and pull him all the way and put him in the pond. See, here's the problem. This is where Chad's IDs were found, right? And his credit card, both of them in this location behind the barn. If you're dragging someone this way, how would it be plausible for his stuff to get back there? Does that make any sense or is this consistent with what Ken told us that she lured him behind the barn?

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And what's really fascinating is we know these weren't old IDs or anything. Look at the date the ID was issued. How crazy is that? The date he was shot and killed is the day he gets his ID. So we know it wasn't left there before. We know it was from that day and it was left here and we know that they were meticulously trying to clean up. So we know that it wasn't her just picking them up from there and tossing them behind the barn. They picked up the casings. They got rid of the gun. They got rid of the phone. It doesn't make sense with her story. That's what she messed up.

(02:43:02)
Let's move on to some other lies of Caylen that don't make sense. The injuries. This is super important and we're going to take some time to go through the injuries. Remember, Chad is shot right here, left arm. Doctor told you, Lesnikova, that the bullet goes in the arm. This is basically the directionality. It hits his lung. We all know our lungs are right here. Hits the left lung. But what's fascinating, and we have to remember we use our common sense, he's also shot in the shoulder here. The right shoulder. But do you remember the directionality of that? It's downward like this.

(02:43:47)
So let's ask ourselves common sense. How is it possible if she shot two sequential shots that one of the bullets could go this way and one could go downward? I submit to you the only way that's possible, maybe she's part of a superhero club and she jumped on top of this barn back there and then she shot downward. Or I submit to you, ladies and gentlemen, as she told Ken, the gun jammed, she shot him, he falls to the ground and she follows up shooting him when he is on the ground, ladies and gentlemen. That's the only thing that makes sense because her explanation makes no sense. How can you shoot someone like this and then shoot another bullet going straight down? She's not 25 feet tall. Common sense, that's what you have to use here and that's where she messed up again. She didn't think through her story good enough when she was telling it up there.

(02:44:42)
These are the facts. The facts don't lie. Remember, here's the shoulder injury, it's going downward. It's not like the bullet went through the shoulder this way. It might be more consistent with what she's saying, but that's not what we have here. Then let's talk about... I walked her into something. You probably all didn't know exactly what I was doing yesterday, but I want to share it with you. So her story is that immediately after she shoots Chad, she gets into the truck because it's right there. She can't go to her car. It's over there. She gets right in the truck. Chad's phone is right there and she drives off to Tina Marie Ellis's house. Let's talk about how that can't be true. So remember when we went through this, the green is Chad's phone and the pink/purple, that's her phone, okay?

(02:45:39)
So at 9:32... And we'll talk about the timeframe because her story doesn't also match up with the timeframe of when she says she left there. So 9:32, you see the distance here? Remember we were talking through, that's the mile, that's the little curve right here from the tower. So they're all consistently together until 9:42. 9:43, she starts moving. 9:43, 9:47, this is when she arrives at Tina's. Whose phone is still present at her Stormy Stables? The phone is not in the car. She lied to you. She's not truthful. She's not honest. She told you. I walked her into it specifically. "So you drove over there and the phone was... " "Yes, the phone was right there. It was right on the dashboard there." Can't be there. Look, she lied. You can't believe a word she said.

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So let's talk more about the phone evidence. And it goes right to this. It's fascinating when we actually break it down. That's her at 1:30... I'm sorry. At 9:30, remember we have to subtract four hours. She's calling. All the numbers in yellow, this is Tina Marie Ellis. So we know by 1:30, Chad is dead. She's calling Tina Marie Ellis, calling Tina Marie Ellis, calling Tina Marie Ellis. The short duration indicates probably not picked up. Then she sends a text message to Rebecca, that's at 1:32. I'm sorry, at 9:32. 9:32, she tries to call again, nothing. 9:33 calls again. 9:34 calls again. 9:34 calls again. Finally, she gets Rebecca at 9:35. Then 9:39, she has an outgoing call to Tina Marie Ellis, not answered. 9:40, nothing, a different individual. At 9:43, she's still trying to call Tina Marie Ellis.

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But let's look at what's fascinating about that because what she told us, and we're going to put it up right here. She told us she immediately got into the vehicle after she shot Chad, because she was scared. She's driving away and she's calling all these people when she's driving away. She's trying to get ahold of anybody. But why is this important? So we know at 9: 30, Chad's already shot. He's probably sitting there dying on the ground, if not dead already, but we know she's still there. 9:32, still present. 9:35, still present. 9:40, still present. 9:42, still present. So for 12 minutes, this woman who got on the stand and she swore to tell the truth to you, and she swore that she got right in a truck and she went out of there because she was scared for her life, that's why she had to leave, she's there for 12 minutes just hanging out, calling people, one person after another. Does that sound like someone who's scared?

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I submit to you, she even told you when she called Rebecca, she said, "I was in the car and driving away when I called her because I was scared." And I sad, "Well, why didn't you call the police? You were in your car." "No, no, I called Rebecca." Where is she at 9:35? She's still at the stables. She's calling people at the stables. If this woman was really fearful, if Chad really attacked her, if any of that really happened, she wouldn't have stayed there for 12 minutes, and it's a minimum of 12 minutes. He was shot sometime before 9:30. It could have been five minutes before that, but she stayed at the scene. Ask yourself, why is that? That's because she shot him deliberately. It wasn't because she was afraid. It wasn't because she was scared. She didn't jump right in that car and drive away. She lied to you.

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Then you'll see, this is where the phone starts to move when it's 1:00 AM in the morning. She goes to Tina's house and she says, "I go to Tina's house and I just tell her, I need you to come to the barn." Well, she's actually at Tina's house for about 45 minutes before returning to the barn. If you believe that she just went there upset and said, "I need you to come to the barn," that doesn't really make sense either.

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But let's talk about the rest of her story. This is fascinating. After she just murdered someone, her and Tina go to the barn and they find him, and then they drag him into the water. They put all these items around him and they bury him and drop him in the water. Tina Marie Ellis has to go collect a check at Burns Farm at 3:00 in the morning. Does that make any sense? Is that logical? Does your common sense radar go off and say, "That sounds like complete crap. They just buried the guy who's dead. Let me stop by and let me go get some money at Burns Farm in the middle of the night"? Oh, not only that, Tina Marie-Ellis, who doesn't really work there, she's like a contract person, they're going to give her a combination of the safe and she's just going to go in and take whatever she wants out of it. Does that make any sense? It doesn't make sense.

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What happened was they put Chad in that pond and then they were thinking, "We have to figure a better place." Tina, "Hey, I work at Burns Farm." They stroll out to Burns Farm, checking it out, and then they drive through St. John's. This is all rural stuff, looking for a place where they can dump the body. I submit to you, her explanation makes absolutely, positively no sense.

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Obviously, we've already went through that. They're both there burying him that night, all these phone calls between them. Let's talk about how she says this murder occurs. She claims that he's strangling her on the seat in the car. So this is the car seat, and I guess he'd be down on top of her and she's down like this and he's strangling her. Then she can't breathe, she tells us. But miraculously, she just happens to find a gun right there. She pulls the gun and then Chad just immediately gets off her. He's not going to struggle with her for the gun to try and stop her from hurting him. Does that make sense?

(02:53:10)
He's got his hand around her neck strangling her. She grabs a gun, he sees it, he's not going to try and struggle with the gun. Let's think, instead what makes more sense is he's going to back 10 feet away and he's going to say, "Oh wait, there's a hammer. Let me pick the hammer up and let me run at the lady with a gun." Does that make any sense? It's completely illogical. It's ridiculous. It makes no sense at all. Her story is a complete fabrication and it doesn't match with the facts.

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And then her story about, "I'm going to confront him about molesting my child." When I was cross-examining her, she said she doesn't call the police for every little thing. I submit to you, ladies and gentlemen, when a child is molested, that's not a little thing. That's a humongous thing. That's a big thing. That's something you call the police for. She's not Inspector Gadget who's going to investigate this herself, is she? She lures Chad there and they're going to discuss it in the dark. She's going to confront him in a desolate, dark place where no one else is around about molesting her child. Does that really make any sense? I submit to you it does not, ladies and gentlemen.

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More importantly, I had her admit she contacted Ken during the day and she told him... That she's talking to her daughter that day. Remember, I had her admit that there was a video of her filming her talking to her daughter about if Chad did anything to her? And she called Ken about it and then later she texted Ken and said, "Don't worry. I'm going to take care of it." She admitted that and she did take care of it. She shot Chad and she killed him. Her story about Tina-

Mr. Lewis (02:55:02):

... her story about Tina, she didn't know where Tina lived, that's why she had to call Rebecca, doesn't make sense. Tina watched her child multiple times. And the defense says, "Well, the state's going to tell you that covering up the crime is a conscience of guilt." You're absolutely right, ladies and gentlemen. When you murder someone and you take all the evidence and you take the body and you bury it, you put it underwater, you burn a phone, you get rid of the gun, that is absolutely consciousness of murdering someone. That's exactly what she did. So to try and downplay it like, oh, it's just one bad mistake. No.

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Caylen Deller knew exactly what she did and she made a bunch of decisions after that to consciously cover up her crime. Let's talk about Ken Waddell. So the defense makes all... It's like we're going to attack him and he's got all this whatever, but let's talk first things first. So if you guys remember, Ken Waddell testified and then the defense brought out that he received some money. Then Mr. Willard was able to ask him, "Was this testimony you gave in here in court consistent with what you told Detective Fussell?" Or he actually asked Detective Fussell, and Detective Fussell said it's consistent with what he said after, right? He went through that. Why is that important?

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And the reason the law allows that is because it goes to show you that before he had any reward or had anything like that, he was telling the same story. So it goes to show that his stories are consistent and what he's telling you is truthful. That's why we went through that. It wasn't for any other reason. And what did he tell you? And the defense makes a big deal, like it's bits and pieces and he must be confused and he's forming his own story. He said he told her it was over a timeframe, but it's not like bits and pieces like a word here, like hello, goodbye. And then he puts it in his own sentence. She told him she did it because he was being inappropriate toward Ostaro.

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I mean, this is not a bit and piece unless, maybe I have it wrong, maybe she said she at two o'clock, then he at three o'clock and then being at seven o'clock. And then maybe Chad just, it was like a word jumble, like scrabble, he put it all together. Or she made this whole statement at once. Felt like Chad was molesting her, brought him to the farm and she did it consistent with the evidence, behind the barn, the gun jammed after the first shot. That's really fascinating because I went through my notes last night from what she testified to on the stand. I don't know if you caught it, but Mr. Smith's last few questions was, "Did you tell Ken the gun jammed?" Actually, I want to read it, get it exactly right.

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"Did you tell Ken you shot the gun and it jammed?" "I told him the gun had jammed, not the way he described it." Pretty interesting statement. So I told him the gun jammed, but not the way he described it. What other way does a gun jam? Was she talking about putting jam on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? That makes no sense. She messed up, right? Her rehearsed testimony, she messed up. She told Ken and the defense wants to downplay Ken's not being straightforward with you. He told you, the gun jammed after the first shot. Is that consistent with what the injuries are? Absolutely, because you couldn't have shot and shot. And for her to get up there and say, "I did tell him it jammed, but not the way he described it." What other way do you describe a jammed gun? It makes no sense.

(02:59:21)
Another lie she's caught in. So keep that in context as we talk about that. Ken would just make this up. He was not dead and staring at her. Just out of bits and pieces, he makes that up. I mean, that's something really strange to just make up. And it's consistent though with the gun jamming. He's on the ground dying and he's staring at her still alive and she unjams it and then she shoots him again. Consistent with the evidence in this case, ladies and gentlemen. Consistent. And then let's finish up with what... She shot him again. She said it was a nine millimeter. Super important piece of information because not the police, not FDLE, nobody knew it was a nine millimeter until September of 2026.

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Last month. How could Ken in 2024 have known it's a nine millimeter unless the defendant told him? Goes to show consistency in his story and corroboration. Keep that in mind. Defendant testified, "I don't know much about guns. I mean, jammed. I don't know how to unjam a gun." And what did Ken tell you? They've shot guns before on the property and the defense tried to say that Ken said she had guns on the property. That's not what he said. He said they've shot guns on the property multiple times when they were bored, when they lived there or they were there together and she knew exactly how to aim, how to shoot, how to clear a jam. But she told you here she didn't.

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Lying once again. Lie after lie. Not only did she lie in court though, when family reached out to her, do you know where Chad is? A lie. Other people reached out. Do you know where Chad is? Lie. Continue to lie. I submit to you, Caylen Deller and her testimony have absolutely no credibility and should be crumpled up and thrown in the trash. Now the defense wants to attack Mr. and Ms. Russo. I'm not really sure. I don't get it. They made it a story of you either believe... And first off, the state is not arguing that you believe one or the other, that's what it is.

(03:01:52)
We have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and I submit to you we've proved it beyond a reasonable doubt and I submit to you her story makes no sense and it has no credibility. She tells them they're dead and Sean says, "What would you do if someone touched your baby girl?" So let's think this through. So we already know that earlier on the 9th, she's videotaping her daughter who's telling her or asking her if Chad did something. She's already told Ken about it on the 9th. And now the defense wants you to believe that this is just a hypothetical out of nowhere that she's just making it up. Does that really make any sense or is that consistent with the evidence in the case? And I submit to you it's consistent. "Do you think I have a right to punish him for what he did to my daughter?"

(03:02:45)
Remember Sean said, "No, I don't think so." Clear thoughts by her, clear indication of what she was thinking. "You're not understanding he's dead and he keeps coming back." Her statements, " I didn't punish his soul. I punished his body." Not one time... She's basically... You could split hairs if you want as the defense and argue that she's not confessing, but I would submit to you this is a confession of the murder. And if you're going to confess to killing someone, if the most important factor is that it's self-defense, why wouldn't you tell the people that you're sitting there with five hours having a whole conversation? It just doesn't make sense.

(03:03:38)
She doesn't say, "I had to defend myself." She says, "Do you think I have a right to punish him for what he did to my daughter? What would you do if someone touched your baby girl?" And then if you remember when the defendant was testifying, I said, "Didn't you say that stuff to Sean and Angela?" And she's like, "No." So that's why we called Angela Russo to rebut her. And Angela Russo came up here. She told me he was dead. And mind you, she might have cursed, but that's her response to what she told the defendant when she asked her, "Do I have the right... If someone did that to your kid, what would you do?" And she said, "I would effing kill them." Probably the response quickly you might get from a lot of parents, right?

(03:04:17)
"Do you think I have a right to punish him for what he did to my daughter? You're not understanding me. He's dead and he's not coming back." And then she says, " The way I know who she's talking about is she has Chad tattooed on her wrist. I didn't punish his soul. I punished his body." These are all her words she can't take back. She tried her best when she was on the stand to walk around it. Ladies and gentlemen, you would have to find that she was justified in using deadly force to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. And the only way you can do that in this case is to believe a word she says. And there is not one word that she said that you can believe in reference to this that's true. It just doesn't match with any of the other evidence. It doesn't match with anything.

(03:05:13)
At the end of the day, ladies and gentlemen, the state has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that self-defense does not apply. It's crystal clear. I've walked you through her lies, what she told, and then ultimately has the state proven that Chad is dead? Just put a check mark. This is all we have to prove. It's pretty simple. Was it caused by the criminal act of Caylen Deller? Absolutely. And was this a premeditated killing? Absolutely. You've heard all the evidence. You've heard the testimony, ladies and gentlemen, and I'd submit to you, when you came through that door, you came through with the most important thing and that's your common sense.

(03:05:54)
You're going to go through this door, you're going to have the evidence testimony and your common sense. And I have no doubt, once you weigh all the evidence, once you remember what you heard, once you use your common sense and your reasoning, there will be no doubt. I almost submit to you in this case, it's not even beyond a reasonable doubt. It's beyond any doubt that Caylen Deller lowered Chad to that farm that night because she was pissed off. She thought he was offending on her child and she shot him and killed him. She premeditated it and she is guilty as charged and we ask you to hold her responsible. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

Judge (03:06:39):

All right, so we'll do the final instruction now. In just a few moments, you will be taken to the jury room by the bailiff. The first thing you should do is choose a foreperson who will preside over your deliberations. The foreperson should see to it that your discussions are carried on in an organized way and that everyone has a fair chance to be heard. It is also the foreperson's job to sign and date the verdict form when all of you have agreed on a verdict and to bring the verdict form back to the courtroom when you return. During deliberations, jurors must communicate about the case only with one another and only when all jurors are present in the jury room. If a juror goes to the restroom, the deliberations should stop until that juror returns.

(03:07:37)
You are not to communicate with any person outside the jury about this case. Until you have reached a verdict, you must not talk about this case in person or through the telephone, writing or electronic communication such as email or any other means. Do not contact anyone to assist you during deliberations. These communications rules apply until I discharge you at the end of the case. If you become aware of any violation of these instructions or any other instruction I have given in this case, you must tell me by giving a note to the bailiff. You would write the note, you would knock on that door, and without saying a word, you would just hand the note to the bailiff.

(03:08:26)
Many of you may have cell phones, tablets, laptops, or other electronic devices here in the courtroom. The rules do not allow you to bring your phones or any of those types of electronic devices into the jury room. Kindly leave those devices on your seats where they will be guarded by the bailiff while you deliberate. I believe we already established no one has their devices, correct? If you need to communicate with me, send a note through the bailiff signed by the foreperson. If you have voted, do not disclose the actual vote in the note. And again, that's by knocking on that door. You might not know it, but we activate what's called a white noise device that prevents us from hearing what's going on in there, so you just knock and then they'll get the note from you. If you have questions, I will talk with the attorneys before I answer so it may take some time.

(03:09:20)
You may continue your deliberations while you wait for my answer. I will answer any questions if I can, either in writing or orally here in open court. During the trial, items were received into evidence as exhibits. You may examine whatever exhibit you think will help in your deliberations. Some of these exhibits will be sent into the jury room with you when you begin to deliberate. If you wish to see any exhibits that were not sent to the jury room with you, please request that in writing. These exhibits will be sent into the jury room with you when you begin to deliberate. If you wish to see any exhibits not sent back to the jury room with you, please request that in writing. In closing, let me remind you that it is important that you follow the law spelled out in these instructions in deciding your verdict.

(03:10:16)
There are no other laws that apply to this case. Even if you do not like the laws that must be applied, you must use them. For two centuries, we have lived by the constitution and the law. No juror has the right to violate rules we all share. Now what we've done since we knew it was so close to the lunch hour is we have lunch and it'll be provided for you back there so that nobody's hungry or hangry while they're conducting the jury's work. Two of the jurors will not be going back to deliberate. We always select alternates in these trials. So the two jurors that I want to remain seated, [inaudible 03:10:58]. The remaining jurors can go back in a few minutes. We will bring all the exhibits that are allowed back there with you. Okay? All right. Any questions? All right. So other than those two jurors, please go back.

Speaker 16 (03:11:16):

All rise as the jurors exit the courtroom.

Speaker 17 (03:11:16):

Do we take our notebook?

Judge (03:11:21):

You take your notebooks with you, all your personal belongings.

(03:11:25)
All right. So Ms. White and Ms. Edwards, we want to thank you for your time and attention during this trial. [inaudible 03:12:06]. Hopefully you don't feel like we're wasting your time. We have to make sure that we have enough jurors. This does satisfy your obligation to serve [inaudible 03:12:15]. Don't go back to deliberate. You're free to stay. If you want to hang around, [inaudible 03:12:26].

(03:12:06)
Some of our jurors, they'll call the clerk's office afterwards. [inaudible 03:13:07]. All right then for everyone else, [inaudible 03:13:21].

Speaker 18 (03:30:00):

(silence)

Speaker 19 (04:26:18):

I just want to take a few minutes before the jury [inaudible 04:26:29]. We're back in session from the State v. Caylen Deller.

(04:26:29)
So this is the process because I know most of you have never seen this before other than on TV or something. So we bring the jury in and the foreperson keeps the verdict form in their possession. The jury foreperson then hands it to the bailiff. I look at it to make sure it's appropriately completed, meaning that they answered all the questions that they were supposed to answer and I make sure that it's dated and that it's signed. If it's not in the correct form, I simply tell them it's not completed, that they need to go back and then we go back and recess. If it is completed correctly, then the clerk will publish it or read it out loud.

(04:27:15)
And I know I'm asking a lot from everyone here, but the rules still apply. You are not allowed to have any outward reaction or expression to the verdict. Once you read it, I will then come down. I will thank the jury. We'll give them their jury letters and then we'll allow them to go on their way. And if there's additional business to conduct after the jury has been released, we will do that. But all of the same rules will apply.

(04:27:46)
Is there anyone that needs any clarification on that? All right. So we have the state present. We have the defense present. We have Ms. Deller present. Are y'all ready to proceed?

Speaker 20 (04:27:56):

State's ready, Judge.

Speaker 21 (04:27:57):

Defense is ready.

Speaker 22 (04:28:01):

All right. All rise as jurors enter courtroom.

Speaker 19 (04:28:02):

[inaudible 04:28:07].

Speaker 23 (04:28:02):

Yes.

Speaker 19 (04:28:02):

All right. And everyone can be seated. And? Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 24 (04:28:02):

[inaudible 04:29:06]

Speaker 19 (04:28:02):

Okay. And are you the foreperson?

Speaker 24 (04:28:02):

Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 19 (04:29:06):

Is it dated and signed?

Speaker 24 (04:29:08):

Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 19 (04:29:08):

And was the decisions contained therein unanimous?

Speaker 24 (04:29:11):

Yes.

Speaker 19 (04:29:11):

All right. You can hand that to the bailiff.

Speaker 24 (04:29:51):

In the Circuit Court, Seventh Judicial Circuit in and for Putnam County, Florida, State of Florida versus Caylen Savannah Deller, case number 20241197CF, verdict. Count one of the indictment. We the jury find the defendant Caylen Savannah Deller as follows as to count one of the indictment. Please choose only one as to count one. Guilty as charged of the crime of first degree murder.

(04:30:22)
Count two of the indictment. We, the jury, find the defendant Caylen Savannah Deller as follows. As to count two of the indictment, please choose only one as to count two. Guilty as charged of the crime of tampering with or fabricating physical evidence. If you find the defendant guilty of tampering with or fabricating physical evidence, do you also find beyond a reasonable doubt the following? Please answer yes or no to the following. The tampering with or fabricating related to a criminal trial, proceeding or investigation of a capital felony, yes. Count three of the indictment. We the jury find the defendant Caylen Savannah Deller as follows as to count three of the indictment. Please choose only one as to count three. Guilty as charged of the crime of failure to report death of a person with intent to conceal the death or alter their evidence or circumstances surrounding such death. So say we all, dated at Palatka, Putnam County, Florida, this 15th day of October, 2026. Signed jury foreperson.

Speaker 19 (04:31:28):

All right. Does the state wish to have the jury polled?

Speaker 20 (04:31:35):

No, ma'am.

Speaker 19 (04:31:35):

Does the defense wish to have the jury poll?

Speaker 21 (04:31:35):

Yes, Your Honor.

Speaker 24 (04:31:38):

Mr. Smith, is this your verdict as indicated? Mr. Edwards, is this your verdict as indicated?

Mr. Edwards (04:31:44):

Yes.

Speaker 24 (04:31:45):

Ms. Ryan, is this your verdict as indicated? Mr. Santiago, is this your verdict as indicated?

Mr. Santiago (04:31:50):

Yes.

Speaker 24 (04:31:51):

Ms. Mulligan, is this your verdict as indicated?

Ms. Mulligan (04:31:53):

Yes.

Speaker 24 (04:31:54):

Mr. Hazelgrove, is this your verdict as indicated?

Mr. Hazelgrove (04:31:57):

Yes.

Speaker 24 (04:31:57):

Ms. West, is this your verdict as indicated? Ms. Moore, is this your verdict as indicated?

Ms. Moore (04:32:03):

Yes.

Speaker 24 (04:32:04):

Mr. Frank, is this your verdict as indicated?

Mr. Frank (04:32:06):

Yes.

Speaker 24 (04:32:07):

Mr. Freeman, is this your verdict as indicated?

Mr. Freeman (04:32:09):

Yes.

Speaker 24 (04:32:10):

Mr. Griggs, is this your verdict as indicated?

Mr. Griggs (04:32:12):

Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 24 (04:32:13):

Ms. Hasting, is this your verdict as indicated?

Ms. Hasting (04:32:15):

Yes.

Speaker 24 (04:32:15):

Thank you.

Speaker 19 (04:32:17):

So ladies and gentlemen, I wish to thank you for your time and consideration of this case. I also wish to advise you of some very special privileges enjoyed by jurors. No juror can ever be required to talk about the discussions that occur in the jury room except by court order. For many centuries, our society has relied upon juries for consideration of difficult cases. We have recognized for hundreds of years that a jury's deliberations, discussions and votes should remain their private affair as long as they wish. Therefore, the law gives you a unique privilege not to speak about the jury's work. Although you are at liberty to speak with anyone about your deliberations, you are also at liberty to refuse to speak to anyone, a request to discuss either your verdict or your deliberations may come from those who are simply curious, from those who might seek to find fault with you, from the media, from the attorneys, or elsewhere. It will be up to you to decide whether to preserve your privacy as a juror.

(04:33:27)
We do have letters printed for each of you in the event that you need them. And I want to thank you. I know that this was not an easy case. I know we took up a lot of your time. For what you did, we really appreciate and thank you so much. And then it's your letter and then Mr. Edwards. Now, if you leave your juror buttons on this seat, and leave your notepad, Mrs. Santiago. And Ms. Mulligan. [inaudible 04:34:25]. Thank you so much. And Mr. Hazelgrove. And Ms. West. I think I'm going to have to go in here. My arms aren't this long. Can I go in there?

(04:34:26)
All right. All right. All right. I'll start over here, Ms. Moore. Thank you so much. I was [inaudible 04:34:34]. All right. [inaudible 04:34:39]. Thank you so much. And Mr. Freeman. Thank you so much. And Mr. Griggs.

Mr. Griggs (04:34:31):

Thank you.

Speaker 19 (04:34:54):

[inaudible 04:34:49]. Thank you so much. And [inaudible 04:34:53] thank you so much. So you are free to go about your personal affairs. I think they're going to take you guys out that way. Have a good rest of your day.

Speaker 22 (04:35:04):

All rise. The jurors exit the courtroom.

Speaker 19 (04:35:26):

We need everyone else to remain here until the bailiffs clear you to leave. The bailiffs clear you, they let you know and then we'll do the Mullens family first. Everyone can be seated also. All right. And are the state and the defense prepared to go forward with sentencing?

Speaker 20 (04:36:26):

Yes, ma'am. The state's ready.

Speaker 19 (04:36:26):

Defense?

Speaker 21 (04:36:36):

Defense is prepared.

Speaker 19 (04:36:37):

And so state, tell me what you're see, well, I guess first I should ask, is there anyone from Mr. Mullen's family that is asking to be heard?

Speaker 20 (04:36:55):

Yes, Your Honor. We have two people that are asking to be heard. One person is present. Holli Mullen, daughter of Mr. Mullen. She is present. She would like to read a prepared statement. And then the mother of Mr. Mullen is not available to be here in person, but she did provide us a statement that she requested that our office reads to the court.

Speaker 19 (04:37:20):

Did we start this [inaudible 04:37:23]. All right. And then look at the [inaudible 04:37:45]

(04:37:20)
All right, go ahead.

Speaker 20 (04:38:02):

Your Honor, the state would call Holli Mullen. In front. This way.

Speaker 19 (04:38:12):

Do you want her there or do you want to see ...

Speaker 20 (04:38:13):

Oh.

Speaker 19 (04:38:14):

It's up to her.

Speaker 20 (04:38:17):

Yeah, wherever she's [inaudible 04:38:18] comfortable.

Holli Mullen (04:38:17):

I'm going to go over there.

Speaker 20 (04:38:17):

Absolutely.

Speaker 25 (04:38:28):

Can you just raise your right hand for me please? Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you shall give in this cause will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Holli Mullen (04:38:33):

I do.

Speaker 25 (04:38:33):

Thank you.

Speaker 20 (04:38:36):

Good afternoon, Ms. Mullen. We heard from you earlier in the week and you're the daughter of Chad Mullen?

Holli Mullen (04:38:44):

Yes.

Speaker 20 (04:38:44):

Okay. You obviously sat for this trial and you're here now and you want to provide a statement to the court?

Holli Mullen (04:38:53):

I do.

Speaker 20 (04:38:54):

Okay. And do you have something prepared?

Holli Mullen (04:38:55):

I do.

Speaker 20 (04:38:56):

Okay.

Holli Mullen (04:38:56):

Would you like to read that now?

Speaker 20 (04:38:57):

I will.

Holli Mullen (04:38:57):

Your Honor, may the witness ...

Speaker 19 (04:38:59):

She can. Before she starts, the family that's on Zoom, you can all, if you want, you can put your cameras on, just leave your audio muted. And then once we get to Ms. Gollet, you say you're going to read-

Speaker 20 (04:39:16):

I believe she requested us to read it, but we can certainly, if she's available, we can ask her if she still feels the same.

Speaker 19 (04:39:22):

Okay. All right.

Speaker 20 (04:39:23):

And may the witness read her statement, Your Honor?

Speaker 19 (04:39:25):

Yes.

Holli Mullen (04:39:32):

My name is Holli Mullen. And I am Chad Mullen's daughter. For two years I thought about this moment. I thought about what I was going to say, how I was going to say it, and how I could possibly put into words what my dad means to me. But there are really no words that can fully describe how special my dad is. My dad is the goofiest, most outgoing, creative person in my life. He was always building something new, whether it was a tree house in the backyard or a makeshift jungle gym in my room, I could always come home to something that was being built.

(04:39:57)
Before his first hip surgery, he had his friend shave "I Heart RNs" into the side of his head just to make the nurses laugh and put a smile on someone's face.

Holli Mullen (04:40:00):

... I [inaudible 04:40:00] right into the side of his head, just to make the nurses laugh and put a smile on someone's face. It ended up looking more like a blob than anything else. But that story is a perfect example of who my dad is. If you know my dad, you know how much he loves his four wheelers, being up on the go, and his tattoos. He loved his tattoos so much even bought a tattoo gun and started tattooing himself. We all knew it was a bad idea.

(04:40:20)
Most of all though, my dad loved life. He loved making people laugh. He loved making sure that people around him were okay. He was the kind of person who wanted everyone around him to be happy, even if it meant doing something completely ridiculous just to put a smile on someone's face.

(04:40:44)
But as much as my dad was all of those things to everyone around him, to me, he was my best friend growing up. He made me feel safe just by being there. His presence was comforting to me in a way that is hard to explain. He never failed to make me feel like the most loved, special, beautiful girl in the world.

(04:41:06)
If you know me, you know how much I love Halloween and that is because of my dad. Growing up, he would turn our garage into a haunted house. He would go all in just to make it fun for us. He would also take all the kids trick-or-treating [inaudible 04:41:12] right around the neighborhood. Halloween became our holiday, but now I have to celebrate it without him.

(04:41:19)
I've been to two weddings since my dad passed away. Watching my friends get walked down the aisle and have their first dance with their dad is something that stays with me. Of course, I'm happy for my friends, but it reminds me of something I will never have. I'll never get to have that moment with my dad. I'll never get to laugh at his jokes again. I'll never get to hear him tell me how proud he is of me. I'll never again have the comfort that only a dad can give his daughter.

(04:41:47)
Most of all, my dad will never get to watch Lauren and I grow up. He won't get to see the people we become. He won't get to be there for our accomplishments, our weddings, our families, or even the stupid things in between. He won't get to go out on the boat with his friends anymore. He won't get to experience any of the things that were still ahead of him.

(04:42:05)
My dad had so much life left to live. He had people who loved him, daughters who needed him, and friends who wanted him around, and so many moments that he should be here to experience. All of that was taken away. And it wasn't just my dad's life that was taken that day, a part of mine was taken with him.

(04:42:24)
For two years, I've had to learn to live in a world where my dad is no longer here. That's the part people always see when they hear someone was murdered. They hear a person died, but they don't always understand how many lives have changed when that person's taken away. I've never felt so angry, alone, confused, sad, and empty. It's already one thing to lose someone you love, but when their life is taken at the hands of someone else, it's the kind of pain that can never truly be explained. Why? Why did you have to do this? Why did it have to be my dad? Just why?

(04:42:56)
I can wish all I want that things were different, but they aren't. My dad was murdered and I had to sit here through the details and hear just how he was shot twice by you, while you continued to drag his body-

Mr. Smith (04:43:05):

[inaudible 04:43:06], I object at this point. She's making comments towards my client. This is supposed to be to talk about how he's missed and the effect that this had on the community, not against my client.

Judge (04:43:22):

I'll sustain the objection.

Holli Mullen (04:43:28):

I will have to continue. What has happened I'll have to carry it with me for the rest of my life. I wish I could be one of those people who can forgive and forget, but I'm not. I'm not ready to forgive you and I don't know if I ever will be. What you did, didn't just take my dad from me, it changed who I am. It changed my family. It changed our lives forever. For the rest of my life I'll have to live with the fact that my dad is gone because of the choice you made. And while you spend the life...

Mr. Smith (04:43:59):

Judge, again, I'm going to have to object. She's making comments towards my client, not talking about the loss of her father and how that's affected her.

Holli Mullen (04:44:05):

[inaudible 04:44:06] I'm sorry.

Judge (04:44:13):

I'll sustain it.

Holli Mullen (04:44:17):

Okay. My dad deserved to grow old. He deserved more birthdays, more memories, more time for his family, and more life. I don't know how I'm going to say this part, but you took that from him and you took him from me. No sentence will ever give me my dad back. No punishment will undo what happened. But I hope this sentence to reflect the seriousness of what you did and the lives you destroyed when you chose to take his.

(04:44:38)
I'll carry my dad's memory with me for the rest of my life. I'll continue to shine as a person. I'll continue going to school. I'll continue making memories with family and friends. Most of all, I'll continue to be, as my dad would always say, happy, happy, happy. And no matter what happens to you, you can never take that from me.

(04:44:55)
Thank you.

Judge (04:44:55):

Is there any more questions?

Mr. Smith (04:45:11):

No questions. Your Honor, I do see-

Speaker 26 (04:45:12):

She's on here.

Mr. Smith (04:45:13):

She's on there, Willette Arnett, the mother of Chad Mullen, on Zoom. I don't know if she wanted to address the court in person or if she still wants us to read the letter. She's asked us to read the letter.

Speaker 26 (04:45:24):

She doesn't [inaudible 04:45:25].

Willette Arnett (04:45:24):

Yes.

Mr. Smith (04:45:24):

Okay.

Judge (04:45:24):

Do you want to speak or do you want Mr. Willick to read the letter?

Willette Arnett (04:45:30):

I want Michelle to read it for me.

Judge (04:45:35):

Okay.

Willette Arnett (04:45:36):

Michelle Smith.

Judge (04:45:36):

[inaudible 04:45:46].

Willette Arnett (04:45:49):

Thank you.

Judge (04:45:49):

No problem.

Speaker 27 (04:46:00):

And can you raise your right hand for me? Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you shall give in this cause will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth so help you God?

Michelle Smith (04:46:05):

Yes.

Speaker 27 (04:46:05):

Thank you.

Michelle Smith (04:46:10):

It is said that the mother are not to outlive their children. This is what happened to me. The pain is unbearable. Chad was my youngest of four children. The mother-son bond is too powerful for words. A man in her heart, son's first love, and he is her walking around outside her body. It is spectacular love and connection that cannot be broken. I am living in so much pain knowing that I will never see my baby. Now what I must do is pray to Jesus that I will live long enough to forgive her. I wish to thank the attorneys for all the long hours spent on this case.

(04:47:10)
Kind, thoughtful Detective Fussell. He was so patient with me answering my questions, et cetera. Then there is Michelle. I don't know how I would've gotten through it all had it not been for her kindness and understanding.

(04:47:28)
She was always there to explain so many things that helped me through sorrowful times. She was the only one I could talk to. Friends do not want to hear the gruesome tragedy. My thoughts and prayers are to all. Willette Arnett. Thank you.

Judge (04:47:49):

[inaudible 04:47:50].

Mr. Willick (04:47:49):

I'm sorry, Judge?

Judge (04:47:57):

Even though it's not scored, I still have to ask you.

Mr. Willick (04:48:00):

We will get a score sheet. It won't be on... The first degree murder doesn't go on there with the other counsel, Judge. If I can just have one moment too?

Ms. Earls (04:48:21):

We need a second.

Judge (04:48:21):

Okay.

Mr. Smith (04:48:21):

Yeah, it was in regards to an additional case that my client has. The state's made an offer of an adjudication and time served on that. She would like to resolve that case today also.

Judge (04:49:03):

[inaudible 04:49:03] the information?

Mr. Smith (04:49:05):

What was that? I'm sorry?

Judge (04:49:06):

Can I get a plea form?

Mr. Smith (04:49:08):

Yeah, I'll have to get a plea form.

(04:49:12)
Do they have them in here?

Ms. Earls (04:49:12):

They normally do, but not...

Speaker 28 (04:49:14):

They're back here.

Ms. Earls (04:49:15):

Yeah. [inaudible 04:49:16].

Speaker 26 (04:49:17):

Do you need the case number on the camera?

Judge (04:49:21):

I have them.

Mr. Smith (04:49:22):

I was going to say, I could look it up on my computer, but...

Judge (04:49:28):

I just need one of its documents.

Mr. Smith (04:50:05):

Do you have a pen also because I didn't bring one? Thank you.

Judge (04:50:13):

[inaudible 04:50:13].

(04:50:13)
For the record, that's case number 2024 CF1038. The information I pulled is just showing one count, grand theft animal/ aquaculture.

Mr. Willick (04:50:30):

I believe that's what it is. Yes, ma'am. One of the other things is just to reserve restitution. And we'll include all of those in the same score sheet since before the court [inaudible 04:50:48].

Mr. Smith (04:53:11):

So the agreement with the state would be adjudication time served, which I believe she only has one day in on that case. She was arrested and bonded right out. Court costs, cost of prosecution, cost of investigation.

Mr. Willick (04:53:25):

And reserve restitution.

Mr. Smith (04:53:26):

And order and reserve restitution, which I wrote on there.

Mr. Willick (04:53:28):

Perfect.

Mr. Smith (04:53:30):

I did tell her she would be entitled to a hearing if there is restitution ordered and she would be brought back for that purpose.

Speaker 27 (04:53:44):

Can you raise your right hand for me? Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you shall give in this cause will be the truth, whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Caylen Deller (04:53:49):

Yes.

Speaker 27 (04:53:49):

Thank you.

Judge (04:53:49):

And ma'am, you are Caylen Savannah Deller?

Caylen Deller (04:53:53):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge (04:53:57):

In case number 2024-CF-1038, you were charged with grand theft animals in aquaculture. That's a third degree felony. It's punishable by five years in prison. Thefts are what we call enhanceable offenses. Anytime you have two or more convictions for theft-related offenses, any subsequent thefts can be enhanced to third degree felony, petty thefts, and increases your exposure from one year in the county jail to five years of prison. You're represented by Mr. Smith and Ms. Earls. They've indicated that you want to enter a plea of no contest. Did you sign the form?

Caylen Deller (04:54:32):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge (04:54:33):

The form says you have 13 years of education on the equivalent, so do you read, write, understanding?

Caylen Deller (04:54:38):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge (04:54:39):

And I saw Mr. Smith kind of doing a combination of you reading the form, him explaining the form to you. Are you satisfied that you understood what you signed?

Caylen Deller (04:54:48):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge (04:54:49):

And did Mr. Smith answer all of your questions?

Caylen Deller (04:54:52):

He did.

Judge (04:54:53):

Are you a US citizen?

Caylen Deller (04:54:54):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge (04:54:55):

Do you understand that when you enter a plea of no contest, you give up your right to go to trial? That's what regards to this grand theft of animal and aquaculture.

Caylen Deller (04:55:04):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge (04:55:05):

You give up your right to call witnesses in your defense with regards to that grand theft?

Caylen Deller (04:55:09):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge (04:55:10):

And you give up the right to have the state prove your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?

Caylen Deller (04:55:13):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge (04:55:14):

Has anyone threatened, forced, or coerced you to enter the plea of no contest to the grand theft?

Caylen Deller (04:55:20):

No, ma'am.

Judge (04:55:20):

Are you doing so because you believe it's in your best interest?

Caylen Deller (04:55:23):

Yes, ma'am.

Judge (04:55:24):

Right now, are you under the influence of any drugs or alcohol which would impair your ability to understand what you're doing?

Caylen Deller (04:55:30):

No, ma'am.

Judge (04:55:31):

Do you suffer from any mental health issues that would impair your ability to understand?

Caylen Deller (04:55:36):

No, ma'am.

Judge (04:55:36):

So your plea today is being entered freely and intelligently?

Caylen Deller (04:55:39):

It is.

Judge (04:55:40):

And Mr. Smith, do you stipulate that there is a sufficient factual basis to support your plea?

Mr. Smith (04:55:45):

I would stipulate for the purposes of the plea.

Judge (04:55:47):

And state any exculpatory evidence on this case?

Mr. Willick (04:55:51):

No, Your Honor.

Judge (04:55:52):

Ms. Deller, the one count of grand theft, animal/aquaculture, how do you plead?

Caylen Deller (04:55:57):

No contest.

Judge (04:55:58):

I'll accept your no contest plea. I find that it's freely and intelligently entered. Pursuant to your negotiations with the state on that case, I'll adjudicate you guilty, sentence you to the time that you've already served and post standard felony correspondent court cause.

(04:56:13)
By stipulation, $100 cost of prosecution, $100 cost of investigation, as well as the PD lien, and I'll order restitution and reserve jurisdiction to determine the amount.

(04:56:25)
On that case, you have 30 days to appeal any illegalities and you will need to be fingerprinted. And now Mr. Smith, is there anything that you want to present with regards to the sentencing on the trial case?

Mr. Smith (04:56:41):

Ms. Deller does have two siblings that are here. I did not talk to them on whether they would like to speak, so if you could just give me a moment. I know Ms. Deller's not going to give a statement.

Ms. Earls (04:56:52):

And Judge, just for the record, because no other sentences have been imposed, we would waive PSI on that grant theft case.

Mr. Smith (04:59:37):

Your Honor, I spoke with my client's siblings and they would like to make a statement. They're just nervous and so I just mostly wanted my client to know that they wanted to make a statement, but they're going to pass at this time.

Judge (04:59:49):

Thank you. I'm showing her in custody since November 8th of 2024. Is that what you guys have?

Mr. Smith (05:00:01):

I don't think she is on that... Oh, yes. She had a few days that she was in Volusia County. She was originally arrested in Volusia and then transported over here.

Judge (05:00:11):

Yeah, I'm looking at the hold arrest card. Let me open it up. The hold arrest card from Volusia County is dated 11/08/2024. So that's the date Volusia County [inaudible 05:00:34]. So from that date to today's date, I'm showing 707 days right here.

Mr. Smith (05:00:43):

Okay. I'm going to do the quick calculation. So I have 706, I believe.

Judge (05:01:33):

Count the day of the arrest. 707.

Mr. Smith (05:01:33):

Okay.

Judge (05:01:38):

All right. So we're ready to go forward or is there anything else that the defense wants to do?

Mr. Smith (05:01:43):

There's nothing else from the defense.

Judge (05:01:48):

All right. So Ms. Deller, a jury of you peers having found that you committed the offenses as listed on the amended indictment, the court will impose sentence as follows. On count one, first degree murder. I'll adjudicate you guilty of that offense. You'll be sentenced to life on that offense.

(05:02:06)
On count two, tampering with physical evidence. As related to an investigation of a capital felony, I'll adjudicate you guilty. Sentence you to 15 years Department of Corrections, will credit for 707 days time served. On count three, tampering with physical evidence, I'll adjudicate you guilty. Sentence you to five years Department of Corrections with credit for 707 days time served.

(05:02:41)
All sentences will run concurrently. I'll impose standard felony court fines and court costs. Is there a stipulation on that case to the cost of prosecution, cost of investigation?

Mr. Smith (05:02:53):

I would assume it's the $100. I haven't gotten anything that they were requesting more than that.

Mr. Willick (05:02:58):

As long as the defendant agrees to 100, otherwise I think it'd be like 50,000 bucks.

Judge (05:03:05):

Do you want to stipulate to the 100?

Mr. Smith (05:03:25):

She would stipulate to the $100.

Judge (05:03:29):

So the $100 cost of prosecution, $100 cost of investigation, all the costs in all cases will be converted to the summary of judgment. You have 30 days to appeal any illegalities. They will need to fingerprint you. Is there anything additional?

Mr. Willick (05:03:42):

Nothing from the state, Judge.

Mr. Smith (05:03:42):

Nothing from the defense.

Judge (05:03:42):

All right. Thank you.

Mr. Smith (05:03:42):

Thank you, ma'am.

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