Nov 7, 2020
Rudy Giuliani Trump Campaign Philadelphia Press Conference at Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Rudy Giuliani held a press conference in Philadelphia, outside Four Seasons Total Landscaping, on November 7, vowing legal challenges in Pennsylvania and saying Donald Trump will not concede the presidential race. Read the full transcript here.
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Rudy Giuliani: (00:01)
So, I’m here on behalf of the Trump Campaign, as an attorney for the President, to describe to you the first part of a situation that is extremely troubling, first of all for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and then for a number of other states. And these lawsuits will be brought starting on Monday.
Rudy Giuliani: (00:34)
But the first time it was discovered was here in Pennsylvania, just a couple of days ago. The people you see behind me are just a few of about, I’d say 50 to 60 poll watchers, who will all testify that were uniformly deprived of their right to inspect any single part of the mail-in ballots.
Rudy Giuliani: (01:08)
As you know from the very beginning, the mail-in ballots were a source of some degree of skepticism, if not a lot of skepticism, as being innately prone to fraud. The New York Times had written that 10 years ago under other circumstances, but of course changed their mind once it was a situation involving President Trump. Congresswoman Jordan, in her vast and compendious review of various forms of voter fraud cited mail-in ballots as the most prone to fraud.
Rudy Giuliani: (01:48)
With all that, you would have expected there’d be a high degree of security and a high degree of inspection that would be provided for mail-in ballots. Instead, in the wisdom of the Democrat officials here in a city that’s been Democrat for 60 years and has a very long history of voter fraud, documented history of voter fraud, instead of going to a high degree of care to allow inspections of the mail-in ballots, there was no inspection of a single mail-in ballot. Those mail-in ballots could have been from anybody. Those mail-in ballots could have been for anybody they wrote in. Those mail-in ballots could have been written the day before by the Democratic Party hacks that were all over the Convention Center.
Rudy Giuliani: (02:41)
What I’m saying to you is, not a single one was inspected as the law required. Even when a court order was obtained to allow the Republican inspectors to get six feet closer, they moved the people counting the ballots six further feet away. It’s really simple. If you have nothing to hide with these mail-in ballots, you allow inspection. I mean, this is common knowledge, common practice in the examination of absentee ballots, which happens all the time.
Rudy Giuliani: (03:18)
You take out the absentee ballot, you open it up, the Republican looks at it, the Democrat looks at it. If nobody objects, you put it in the pile. If either objects, you put it aside. That’s what’s done for absentee ballots, which have the extra security of having signatures you can match. Here, which is a much more insecure method of voting, no Republican got a chance to look at that ballot. Some of the ballots you will see looked suspicious. From very far away, they look like the same pen, possibly the same handwriting. We can’t say that, because we never got to see it.
Rudy Giuliani: (04:04)
Now, you’re also going to find that way across on the other side of the state, there was a similar situation in Pittsburgh, involving 300,000 ballots that were un-inspected, un-reviewed, not observed by a single Republican. Not a single one. There’s got to be a pattern. As a friend of mine says, I don’t believe in conspiracies, but I also don’t believe in coincidences. It’s kind of funny that all Republicans were rejected here and all Republicans were rejected in Pittsburgh, and it amounts to about, gee, just about the 700,000 votes that President Trump was ahead by two days ago that disappeared. And we have no way of knowing, because we were deprived of the right to inspect if a single one of those ballots is legitimate. That is unheard of. It’s illegal, it’s unconstitutional, and we will be bringing and action, challenging that. And I emphasize to you, it’s only one of the many other infirmities in this election.
Rudy Giuliani: (05:25)
I know this city has a sad history of voter fraud. After all, Joe Frazier is still voting here. Kind of hard since he died five years ago, but Joe continues to vote. If I recall correctly, Joe was a Republican, so maybe I shouldn’t complain. But we should go see if Joe is voting Republican or Democrat now from the grave. Also, Will Smith’s father has voted here twice since he died. I don’t know how he votes, because his vote is secret. In Philadelphia, they keep the votes of dead people secret. At least that is something that you can be commended for.
Rudy Giuliani: (06:08)
I’m not attacking the people of Philadelphia. I’m attacking a decrepit Democratic machine, which has a lot of other reasons to be attacked. It’s been around for 65 years. They keep electing the same people, the city gets no better, the crime goes way through the roof. The riots you have, the police stand by and watch it. Not because of the police, because you have a mayor that lets them stand by and watch it. You got a District Attorney who lets people go free. You are poorly served, ladies and gentlemen of Philadelphia.
Rudy Giuliani: (06:37)
And then you got a political machine, mayors who let riots take place, District Attorneys who set criminals free. I don’t think they’re going to care much about ballot fraud. This is outrageous. In an enormously important contest, with a very, very suspect method of voting, there was no security. Zero. The people of this city, the people of this country have no assurance at all that those ballots were actually cast. They would have to have been almost unanimously cast for Joe Biden in order to catch up.
Rudy Giuliani: (07:21)
And let me have one or two of the people… Let me emphasize, this is only two or three of about 50 people so far that have given us statements, affidavits, recordings. We’re going to have many, many witnesses. This is not a small case. This is going to be a big case. But I wanted you to get the flavor of it here in Philadelphia, because we also have to alert the people of Pittsburgh that the same fraud was done to them as here. And I’ll also add, the same thing was done in Georgia, the same thing was done in Michigan, the same thing was done in North Carolina. It seems to me somebody from the Democratic National Committee sent out a little note that said, “Don’t let the Republicans look at those mail-in ballots, at least not in the big Democratic hack cities that we control. We’ve done a lot to destroy those cities and now we’re going to destroy their right to vote.”
Rudy Giuliani: (08:29)
So, let’s start off first. My friend, you just tell briefly what happened to you; who you are and what happened to you, like you described it before.
Darrell Brooks: (08:40)
Hi, I’m Darrell Brooks. I’m a Philadelphia [crosstalk 00:08:42].
Rudy Giuliani: (08:42)
Take your mask.
Darrell Brooks: (08:43)
Okay, I’ll take it off.
Speaker 1: (08:48)
Darrell Brooks: (08:50)
Darrell Brooks, Philadelphia resident, here for about two years. I came out here to support our President and this is one of the reasons why I wanted to go to the polls, to watch. A lot of us were excited about the President winning a second term and a lot of individuals, African Americans in Philadelphia, especially men were talking about the 401K plan and how they were excited because of their finances.
Darrell Brooks: (09:16)
So, when I go to the poll, basically they put us at 20 feet away. They said, “No cameras, no phones, you cannot take pictures.” I was even harassed by some of the Democratic Party poll watchers, and that is also recorded. And then the next thing you know, it was six feet away and they still would not allow us to see anything that was happening. We saw people working on the ballots, but we didn’t know any names, we didn’t see anything. We don’t know if people voted twice or three times, we didn’t know if dead people were voting. But we were there and we were watching and it’s such a shame. This is a democracy in Philadelphia and they did not allow us to see anything, and was it corrupt or not?
Darrell Brooks: (10:03)
… to see anything and it wasn’t a corrupt enough, but give us the opportunity as poll Watchers to view all the documents, all the ballots. And listen, we just want a fair election and we viewed that was not fair at all. It was not fair to allow us to… they could have allowed us to look at the ballots, some ballots, but nothing. It was we were kept away from everything.
Rudy Giuliani: (10:27)
Matt Silver: (10:39)
Hello, I’m [Matt Silver 00:00:41]. I went for 16 hours straight poll watching. I took about 30, 45 minutes to get through despite me having credentials of all possible manner. Eventually somebody… I showed an email proving that I was supposed to go in, they at least let the through. When I was there, I was turned away for a tablet. They did not want any tablets or computers there. I had to bring that elsewhere. Eventually when I was let through, you were not able to get anywhere near the ballots.
Matt Silver: (11:09)
There were three rows of people counting ballots. The closest may of my day may have been 15 feet away. Then there was another row, then there was another row to the extent that you couldn’t see anything. We were told repeatedly, including by democratic poll watchers, including by police and if they see us taking a photograph or a video, we will be thrown out and not let back in. The only place you could use a phone were several hundred feet away from the ballots.
Matt Silver: (11:35)
I don’t know what they were trying to protect. When I was there I saw some people looking at the ballots legitimately. Some people were flipping through them at a rate of every second or so in a way that we specifically could not even see a single thing to the extent that you could see a thing in certain boxes. I saw they seem to be, at least certain boxes seem to be in the same unusual pen and seemed to have very similar handwriting. Some boxes were normal. Some boxes were like that. When they finished with going through boxes, they put them in the very, very back of the room where you couldn’t see a thing, hundreds of feet away. Then they put supposedly the same boxes.
Matt Silver: (12:14)
I can’t tell if they are or not through separate machines where they strip the ballots, the outer casing with signatures to the privacy ballot. At that point, the actual signatures are completely separate from the privacy ballot and they’ll never be able to be tracked back. What I saw was disturbing and the process seemed to be specifically so we could not observe. And also so we could not challenge. The only way to challenge something was to call an individual called [Seth 00:00:12:40], who was in the back of the room, who could speak to people. And again, they were very worried about photographs and videos. [inaudible 00:02:53].
Rudy Giuliani: (12:55)
How were you chosen?
Matt Silver: (12:56)
I was asked both by local ward and the Republican National Lawyers’ Association, I responded to both. I was willing to do so. There was some type of vetting process, including my bar number and I guess my credentials. And then I was accepted.
Rudy Giuliani: (13:09)
And you are an attorney, right?
Matt Silver: (13:10)
I am an attorney. [inaudible 00:13:13]. I asked the individuals in the group who were the most senior and again-
Rudy Giuliani: (13:25)
We’ll take questions later. When you moved six feet closer, as far as you knew and that based on a court order?
Matt Silver: (13:35)
I assume it was a court order. In no case was I closer than 15 feet to anyone counting.
Rudy Giuliani: (13:39)
Did they move six feet further away?
Matt Silver: (13:41)
The closest row for me was 15, 20 feet away. Then there was another row, 15, 20 feet beyond that counting, then another 15, 20 beyond that. The only thing that I could see at all was the row closest to me.
Rudy Giuliani: (13:52)
Okay and again, how were you selected?
Darrell Brooks: (13:56)
I was selected by the Philadelphia Republican Party.
Rudy Giuliani: (14:00)
And credentialed by them?
Darrell Brooks: (14:01)
Rudy Giuliani: (14:02)
Okay. Thank you. And we’ll have one… was that, would you speak to the other group that were not allowed access, which is another category? Would you mind?
Lisette Tarragano: (14:11)
Not at all. Thank you.
Rudy Giuliani: (14:12)
See if I can get this down a little.
Lisette Tarragano: (14:13)
I’ll stand on my toes.
Rudy Giuliani: (14:14)
Want me to hold you up?
Lisette Tarragano: (14:18)
Good morning, thanks for being here. I’m Lisette Tarragano. I’m a long time resident of Philadelphia… [inaudible 00:04:24]. T as in Thomas, A-R-R-A-G-A-N-O. You’re welcome. I am a long time resident of Philadelphia, although not native. And quite frankly, I’ve always been about… I’m a retired attorney and I got really, really hyped up about watching voter freedom, freedom of speech, and being able to say the words Donald Trump, without getting pushed in the corner.
Lisette Tarragano: (14:55)
And when I really got excited about being asked to observe ballots was when I felt that my way of life is being put in jeopardy, the American way of life being put down for things I say, who I like, and it’s not fair. I’m the child and granddaughter of both Holocaust victims and survivors. And I’m the daughter of a World War II veteran and who fought for and or ran away from horrible, horrible times where people are repressed and sent away.
Lisette Tarragano: (15:33)
And what I noticed when I was brought in to be a poll watcher, I was never brought in actually. I never got past the first identification stage. They kept saying that mine as well as five or six other Republicans, their names hadn’t been entered into the system. And after the first time it happened, the second time it happened, I had no second thoughts about it being a problem, more that somebody failed to finger us into the computer system.
Lisette Tarragano: (16:05)
But after a while, what I witnessed and I said to Mr. Giuliani before in a morbid curiosity staring at, I felt insidious fraud going on. I felt that we were kept away from doing our civil duty. That was everybody on both parties should be upset about. This is horrible. We’re being restricted, we’re being restrained. And I see this nothing as the insidious nature of the Philadelphia and Pennsylvania governments who were keeping us away from doing what we were meant to do.
Rudy Giuliani: (16:37)
Thank you. Thank you. Was that the other one, two, three-
Lisette Tarragano: (16:41)
Are here with me today.
Rudy Giuliani: (16:43)
The other three here are also poll watchers who were deprived of their opportunity to even go into the room. I could have brought, I’m getting a list now to count them. I could have brought about 50 with me, but I didn’t do it for two reasons, 50 is too many. Number two, they’re afraid. They’re afraid of being publicly identified. They’re willing to testify in court. They’re afraid there’ll be repercussions against them because one of the people that did speak on television has already had threats. Jeremy Mercer, who was in charge has already given a statement twice, both here in Philadelphia the day after the election, I believe.
Rudy Giuliani: (17:27)
And then he was interviewed on television. Jeremy will basically corroborate the statements that were given about the fact that he was there for 21 hours and then again, for another couple of hours. He believes about 300,000 ballots went through. He was unable to see any of them. He requested an opportunity to do so numerous times, then they went to court, they got an order that they could be six feet closer. They were put six feet closer and the tables they were observing were put at least six feet further away where the people moved to tables that were further in the back.
Rudy Giuliani: (18:10)
The other witnesses who we’ve interviewed and we’ve interviewed about half of the 50, all corroborate to a T exactly what you see here. That they thought they were going to show up to do an inspection, some of them had inspected absentee ballots before where you’re shown the ballot. Republican is shown the ballot. The Democrat is shown the ballot, neither objects, you put it in. If either objects, you put it aside for discussion later, nothing like that happened here at all.
Rudy Giuliani: (18:40)
This is a gross miscarriage of the process that would assure that these ballots are not fraudulent. It’s a fraud, an absolute fraud, you can’t just submit these ballots and not have them checked. They’re highly suspect ballots, mail in ballots. It’s also a highly suspect because it’s almost mathematically impossible. Several people have already testified to close the lead that Biden closed… When things closed on Tuesday night, President Trump was ahead by almost 800,000 votes.
Rudy Giuliani: (19:17)
And it took a couple of days to be able to produce enough ballots to bring it down. Now, could some of those ballots have been manufactured in advance by the Democrat machine of Philadelphia? Wouldn’t be the first time they did it. And then exactly why didn’t they want the ballots inspected if the ballots are legitimate. It seemed to me knowing the suspicion that would exist on a political machine like this, with the reputation that it has, you would go to the extra extent to be transparent. Instead, they went to an extra extent to be secretive as did the Democrat party and pretty much the cities they control as a machine like this one, because although we don’t have as many complaints yet…
Rudy Giuliani: (20:03)
This one, because although we don’t have as many complaints yet, we’ve got about 12 in Atlanta, we’ve got about 15 in Detroit. We’ve got about 20 more in the rest of Michigan. I would say in at least 10 states now, we have complaints almost exactly like this. This will be a statewide case because there are 300,000 ballots equally in question in Pittsburgh with witnesses, similar to these witnesses. In some cases, they actually saw a little bit more, that would suggest that the ballots were being tampered with, but I have to wait until they’re all fully debriefed.
[inaudible 00:20:50]. Number two, what evidence [inaudible 00:21:00].
Rudy Giuliani: (21:13)
Well, let me, first of all, obviously he’s not going to concede when at least 600,000 ballots are in question. It’s not my job to determine if the ballots are right or not, it’s their job, but with a mail-in ballot or an absentee ballot, the burden under law is on the party that’s proposing it, which is why it has to be inspected. It’s not my… How can I possibly tell you there’s fraud or no fraud? The way they conducted themselves, [crosstalk 00:21:43] because it looks, I can’t tell you exactly what’s on the ballot. They conducted themselves in a way that suggests that there was fraud. One of the things that does involve fraud is not making it possible for the people who are supposed to inspect to inspect. That’s a fraud, that’s a fraud on the voters. The voters expect that their inspectors are going to be able to inspect.
Rudy Giuliani: (22:10)
The voters were defrauded of that right. We will not know if those 600,000 ballads were valid, invalid or not, having conducted themselves that way, they certainly present a very strong circumstantial case that the ballots were tampered with. Also the highly unusual, almost mathematically impossible reduction in the vote in that period of time also raises the question that the ballots were tampered with. So they’ve done everything they can to yell out to you, “We were tampering with the ballots without being stupid enough to show it to you.” They kept our inspectors away. They kept our inspectors away uniformly. I don’t think we’re going to find a single Republican that ever got to look at one of those ballots when the law requires that we are allowed to look at them. They did it here and they did it in Pittsburgh. That can’t be a coincidence. How do they figure it out in Pittsburgh, they should do the same thing that happened here. And they didn’t do it in other places. I’m sorry. I’m going to ask Corey Lewandowski to explain his experience.
Corey Lewandowski: (23:19)
Well, I appreciate you being here today. Let me just give you one concrete example, not anecdotal, but concrete example of what we believe to be valid voter fraud in the state of Pennsylvania. I draw your attention to an obituary listed for one Denise [Ondish 00:23:34] in Allegheny County, born 1/10/ 1946, deceased 10/22/2020. Her application to vote was received on 10/23, the day after she died. It was then mailed by the County back to her on 10/24/2020, 2 days after she had legally passed away. And the ballot was then received back at the County office on November 2nd, 2020. And when you go to the Secretary of State’s website today, it says that she voted in this election effective November 2nd, 2020, a full nine days after Miss Ondish of Allegheny County passed away. This is not, excuse me… This is not empirical. This is not anecdotal. This is hard evidence. And if you do your jobs from the media, I’m sure you’ll find additional examples. And this will be one of many that we will be filing with the court. Thank you very much.
Rudy Giuliani: (24:43)
Also when you say that there’s no evidence, the people standing behind me are called witnesses. They will eventually, soon hopefully, appear in court and give this testimony because we’re going to file a federal lawsuit that will cover here and Pittsburgh. And we will have as many witnesses as the court needs. Right now, it could be as many as 90 witnesses, that’s called evidence, that there was a uniform deprivation of the right to inspect, which constitutes a fraud on the people of Pennsylvania, constitutes a fraud on all legitimate voters, any illegitimate vote cancels a legitimate vote, and the burden of proof as to whether it’s a legitimate ballot or not when it’s a mail in ballot is on the person proposing the ballot because there’s no other way to justify it. Well, they made it impossible to view those ballots. And there can be only one conclusion as to why you would make it so impossible because many, many of them were fraudulent.
Rudy Giuliani: (25:53)
And you just don’t lose leads like that without corruption. And you’re in a city in which voter fraud is professional. It’s not just amateur. Some places may be amateurs at voter fraud. Philadelphia is a professional place for voter fraud because you’ll have a decrepit Democrat machine that you have had in power for 60 years and it’s the reason why you have voter fraud. It’s the reason why you’ll have so much crime. It’s the reason why you’re leading the country in some categories of crime, because these people are not helping the people of Philadelphia. Their loyalty is to the Democrat party. [crosstalk 00:26:38] Oh, please, please. I’ll answer three questions one at a time.
Rudy Giuliani: (26:47)
I’m sorry. I didn’t understand that. Wiener?
Rudy Giuliani: (26:57)
Who was the winner or a cheater. Oh, is he a winner or a cheater? Well, that’s what we want to find out. We have a right. I mean, here’s what I can say about this evidence. This evidence is overpowering in that it suggests we need a very, very detailed hearing. We have to find out exactly how many ballots are implicated. How many ballots were not inspected? The estimates I have so far, but we haven’t finished this investigation is it was about 150 to 200,000 ballots here. And about 300,000 ballots in Pittsburgh. It may be more, it may be less. Now, that’s very serious because the margin of victory after being behind by 800,000, it was only about 40,000. And it’s a little odd that every vote from Tuesday on was all for the one candidate.
Rudy Giuliani: (27:49)
There’s also a very strange thing that happened, which will be part of our case. At some point during the process, when the lead of President Trump reduced from something like 50,000 to 30,000. At the time, it was a 500,000 94% of the votes have been cast. And when we got to 30,000, it was only 90% of the vote cast. Now I can get experts to tell you how that happens. That happens, because think about it. You increase the denominator. What do you increase the denominator with? New ballots. Nobody was informed of new ballots unless people were writing them up. This’ll be a very, very strong case. And I know, I know you won’t accept it because of your hateful biases, but let’s see if you can try thinking rationally.
Rudy Giuliani: (28:51)
The poll. Because they don’t decide the election. The call for Joe Biden isn’t… Who was it called by? All the, Oh my goodness. All the networks. Wow. All the networks. We have to forget about the law. Judges don’t count. All the networks, all the networks, all the networks, node thought Biden was going to win by 10%. Gee, what happened? Come on. Don’t be ridiculous. Networks don’t get to decide elections. Courts do. [crosstalk 00:29:32] Of course courts set aside elections when they’re illegal. In this particular case, I don’t know if there’s enough evidence to set aside the entire election. Certainly not around the country, maybe in Pennsylvania.
Rudy Giuliani: (29:51)
However, there certainly is enough evidence to disqualify a certain number of ballots. The ballots that were not properly inspected should be thrown out. And that number of ballots should be taken out of the count.
Rudy Giuliani: (30:03)
… now, and that number of ballots should be taken out of the count.
Rudy Giuliani: (30:05)
That could affect the election.
Rudy Giuliani: (30:06)
… [crosstalk 00:30:11]-
Rudy Giuliani: (30:06)
Reporter 1: (30:06)
The ballots are expected to [crosstalk 00:30:16]-
Rudy Giuliani: (30:14)
I can’t hear two people at once. I’m sorry.
Reporter 1: (30:16)
[inaudible 00:30:16] the ballots that came in that were postmarked on Tuesday would arrive at the [inaudible 00:30:16] office on Wednesday, Thursday [crosstalk 00:30:22]-
Rudy Giuliani: (30:22)
That’s a whole new issue-
Reporter 1: (30:23)
Rudy Giuliani: (30:24)
That’s a whole new issue that we’re just developing. Seems to be a significant number of ballots, and there seems to be a significant number of … I shouldn’t say significant. There seems to be three or four very credible witnesses that there was backdating going on and there are direct witnesses for that, but I’m sure you’ll call that not evidence.
Rudy Giuliani: (30:45)
Not you, the general mob.
Reporter 2: (30:48)
Can you [inaudible 00:30:49] the legal options that you’re preparing?
Rudy Giuliani: (30:48)
Reporter 2: (30:48)
You’re filing a lawsuit-
Rudy Giuliani: (30:48)
Reporter 2: (30:48)
… right now in court.
Rudy Giuliani: (30:48)
Reporter 2: (30:57)
Can you walk us through that process of what [inaudible 00:30:57]-
Rudy Giuliani: (31:03)
Reporter 2: (31:04)
… [inaudible 00:31:04] goes to the Supreme Court [inaudible 00:31:08]. I’ll let you take it from there.
Rudy Giuliani: (31:08)
Thank you, sir. I can be a law professor. The case that we would file … Many cases are going to be filed, some big, some small. This is going to be eventually a big case, because it will go beyond Pennsylvania. But right now, the case is a civil rights case. It will be filed in federal court. I’m sorry, it’ll be filed in federal court. You can file it here or Pittsburgh. That’ll be the choice of our lawyer, who’s looking at it now. Since there seem to be more cases in Pittsburgh than here, right now, I would guess it would be filed in Pittsburgh, but it would affect both jurisdictions.
Rudy Giuliani: (31:46)
And what the case alleges is very simply that President Trump’s campaign was denied its right to a fair count, which is a deprivation of civil rights. And if that’s the case, the court has a wide range of what are called equitable remedies.
Rudy Giuliani: (32:03)
Equitable remedies could include depriving that jurisdiction of a certain number of votes equal to the number of votes that are proved to be not inspected properly. It could be to set aside an election, but that … I mean, that could be one of the things we asked for, but I think that if you set aside the votes, you would probably remedy the wrong that was done here.
Rudy Giuliani: (32:31)
Now, it could turn out as we go beyond Pittsburgh and we go beyond Philadelphia and we have a little bit of evidence elsewhere another Democratic part of the state that the same thing was going on, that it might spread to there. Where I do see it spreading, however, is sometime next week. Unless I’m wrong, I think there’ll be a similar case in Atlanta, where similar things were going on. Republican inspectors showed up, they expected to inspect, like they do for absentee ballots, and they were uniformly kept out. They got to see nothing.
Rudy Giuliani: (33:08)
And remember Atlanta had to do the same thing you had to do. They had to catch Biden up, because on election night he had lost, and he was down by a very good margin with only 85% to go.
Rudy Giuliani: (33:21)
Something very similar happened in Michigan, Wisconsin. Can’t say Arizona, but in almost every state where president Trump had a lead going into the end of election night, some of the leads looking almost mathematically impossible to undo with the 5%, 10%, 20% of the vote, in almost all of those, this practice was followed. And I’m right now, trying to find, did we get to see any ballots that were used for that purpose?
Rudy Giuliani: (33:57)
If that’s the case, then we have a massive nationwide lawsuit. So it could affect more than one state. But right now, the one that it definitely affects is the state of Pennsylvania in a very, very big way. But it’s not the only infirmity in the state.
Rudy Giuliani: (34:13)
There are dead people voting. No question about it. We get any number of complaints of that. We have a very serious problem with backdating of ballots, including four witnesses now, who are testifying to that. Whether that becomes part of this lawsuit or it’s something separate, that hasn’t developed as fast as this has. One last question.
Reporter 3: (34:36)
Republicans have to [inaudible 00:34:36] election [inaudible 00:34:36] Biden [inaudible 00:34:45]. Why [inaudible 00:34:36] there a discussion [inaudible 00:34:57]?
Rudy Giuliani: (34:58)
Well, that’s like comparing apples and oranges, isn’t it? They’re not in charge of Phila … I’m glad they didn’t see widespread fraud that was in Republican counties. I don’t think there was fraud in Republican counties.
Reporter 3: (35:10)
Reporter 4: (35:11)
[inaudible 00:35:11] Republicans or Democrats [inaudible 00:05:18].
Rudy Giuliani: (35:23)
Well, then let them come and tell me that. I haven’t found one who’s willing to tell me that.
Reporter 4: (35:27)
Rudy Giuliani: (35:29)
Let them give me an affidavit under oath, under penalty of perjury.
Reporter 4: (35:32)
Rudy Giuliani: (35:34)
You’re telling me these people are lying?
Reporter 4: (35:36)
[inaudible 00:35:36] I was just going to say [inaudible 00:35:37].
Rudy Giuliani: (35:43)
I’ve spoken to about 50 people.
Reporter 4: (35:45)
[inaudible 00:35:45] 25 of them.
Rudy Giuliani: (35:48)
I have statements from 25. We’ve spoken to 50.
Reporter 4: (35:51)
Rudy Giuliani: (35:51)
Every single inspector-
Reporter 4: (35:53)
[inaudible 00:35:53] 50 people in two days [inaudible 00:05:55]-
Rudy Giuliani: (35:57)
Oh, no, no, no. I didn’t speak to them. Are you the lawyer for the other side, by the way?
Reporter 4: (36:02)
Rudy Giuliani: (36:02)
Well, you should get paid for it.
Reporter 4: (36:03)
Rudy Giuliani: (36:04)
The reality is-
Reporter 4: (36:05)
… [inaudible 00:36:05]-
Rudy Giuliani: (36:06)
The reality is that nobody has come forward, even though I’ve called the state party, the city party. I’ve asked, “Is there anyone that wants to come forward and say that there’s anything unusual about … ” The man in charge of this whole process, who watched the whole thing has already come forward and given us a signed statement that no one got a chance to inspect.
Rudy Giuliani: (36:28)
Now, unless this man had a secret opportunity to do it … There was one person in charge of all these people. He was there constantly for both days. Not a single Republican. got a chance to view a single ballot.
Rudy Giuliani: (36:44)
Now, if we got the view of 10 or 12, well, then we’ll reduce our number from 120,000 to 110,000. But you produce this man for me. So far, he hasn’t come out of the woodwork, and-
Reporter 4: (37:01)
[ inaudible 00:00:36:57]-
Rudy Giuliani: (37:02)
Well, then … Oh, well, maybe he … Maybe-
Reporter 4: (37:07)
Rudy Giuliani: (37:07)
Yeah. Well, if I were the commissioner of this city, I don’t think I would admit that I didn’t allow people to do this. I mean, the last time a Republican played ball with Democrats like that in New Jersey, you went to jail for 10 years.
Rudy Giuliani: (37:21)