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December Democratic Debate Transcript: Sixth Debate from Los Angeles

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Democratic candidates took to the debate stage once again on December 19, 2019, one day after their eventual Republican challenger Donald Trump was impeached by the House of Representatives. This was the sixth Democratic debate of 2019 and took place in Los Angeles, CA. Read the full transcript of the debate right here on

Democratic Debate Part 1

Judy Woodruff: (00:01)
Welcome back. A quick reminder of the rules for this debate – each candidate has one minute and 15 seconds to answer direct questions from the moderators, and 45 seconds to answer rebuttal and follow-up questions. Tonight’s podium order on the stage was determined by an average of recent polls. And let’s begin

Judy Woodruff: (00:23)
To the candidates. Last night at this hour, the House of Representatives voted for only the third time in American history to impeach a president. Every one of you was in favor of this action. But unlike 1974 and President Nixon, congressional Democrats have so far not convinced a strong majority of Americans to support impeachment of President Trump. Why do you think that is, and what can you say or do differently in the coming weeks, to persuade more Americans that this is the right thing to do? I want to ask all of you to respond, but to begin with Vice President Biden.

Joe Biden: (01:05)
You know, Judy, it was a constitutional necessity for the House to act as it did, and Trump’s response to suggest that only half of the American people want to see him thrown out of office now, I find is dumbing down the presidency beyond what I even thought he would do. Is any wonder that if you look at the international polling that’s been done that the Chinese leader is rated above American, the American president. Or that Vladimir Putin congratulated him saying, “Stand fast,” and in fact it was a mistake to impeach him. We need to restore the integrity of the presidency, of the office of the presidency. And it’s about time we get that underway. My job, and I think the job of all of us up here, is to, in fact, well that’s not true, some are going to be actually voting in the Senate. But my job is to just go out and make the case why he doesn’t deserve to be president of United States for another four years.

Judy Woodruff: (01:59)
Senator Sanders, why do you think more people are not in support of impeachment and what else can you do?

Bernie Sanders: (02:05)
Well, Judy, what I would say is that we have a president who is a pathological liar. We have a president who is running the most corrupt administration in the modern history of this country. And we have a president who is a fraud, because during his campaign he told working people one thing, and he ended up doing something else. I believe, and I will personally be doing this in the coming weeks and months, is making the case that we have a president who has sold out the working families of this country, who wants to cut social security, Medicare, and Medicaid, after he promised he would not do that, and who has documentedly lied thousands of times since he is president. And the case to be made is, yeah, certainly, I disagree with Trump on virtually all of his policies, but what conservatives, I think, understand, is that we cannot have a president with that temperament, who is dishonoring the presidency of the United States.

Judy Woodruff: (03:19)
Senator Warren, why do you think, why do you think more Americans don’t agree that this is the right thing to do and what more can you say?

E. Warren: (03:26)
So I see this as a constitutional moment. Last night, the president was impeached, and everyone now in the Senate who’s taken a constitutional oath to uphold our constitution, and that doesn’t mean loyalty to an individual, it doesn’t mean loyalty to a political party, it means loyalty to our country, and that vote will play out over the next several weeks. But the way I see this is we’ve now seen the impact of corruption, and that’s what’s clearly on the stage in 2020, is how we are going to run against the most corrupt president in living history. This president has made corruption, originally, his argument, that he would drain the swamp. And yet he came to Washington, broke that promise, and has done everything he can for the wealthy and the well-connected, from tax breaks to ambassadorships. We have to prosecute the case against him, and that means we need a candidate for president who can draw the sharpest distinction between the corruption of the Trump administration and a Democrat who is willing to get out and fight, not for the wealthy and well-connected, but to fight for everyone else. That’s why I’m in this race.

Judy Woodruff: (04:47)
Senator Klobuchar… Senator Klobuchar, what argument can you make to persuade more Americans this is the right thing?

Amy Klobuchar: (04:56)
Let me make the case to the American people. As a wise judge said, “The president is not king in America; the law is king.” And what James Madison once said when he was speaking out at the constitutional convention, and by the way I think he’s a pretty good size for a president, he was five foot four. And what he said, he said the reason that we have these impeachment articles in the constitution, that the provisions are in there, is because he feared that a president would betray the trust of the American people for a foreign power. That is what happened here. Watergate. This is a global Watergate. In the case of Watergate, a paranoid president facing election looked for dirt on a political opponent. He did it by getting people to break in. This president did it by calling a foreign leader to look for dirt on a political opponent.

Amy Klobuchar: (05:49)
And I would make this case: as we face his trial in the Senate, if the president claims that he is so innocent, then why doesn’t he have all the president’s men testify? Richard Nixon had his top people testify. We should be hearing from Mulvaney, who is the one under oath. Witnesses have said that Mulvaney is the one that said, “Okay, we’re going to withhold this aid to a fledgling democracy to get dirt on a political opponent.” We should hear from Bolden, who told his own staff to go see a lawyer after they met with the president. That is the case. If President Trump thinks that he should not be impeached, he should be not scared to put forward his own witnesses.

Judy Woodruff: (06:29)
Mayor Buttigieg… Mayor Buttigieg, what additional argument can you make to the American people?

Pete Buttigieg: (06:37)
At the end of the day, this is beyond public opinion, this is beyond polls, this is beyond politics. The president left the House with no choice, and I think a lot of us are watching this process, watching Washington go through the motions and not expecting much, but a foregone conclusion when it gets to the Senate. We cannot give in to that sense of helplessness because that’s what they want. They want us to be taken in by that cynicism where we give up on the process altogether. Meanwhile, their allies are laughing all the way to the bank.

Pete Buttigieg: (07:11)
As we see policies that let giant corporations, some of which made billions in profits, pay, not just zero, but as we’ve recently learned, negative taxes, all while they block policies that would actually boost wages for working Americans. Here’s the good news – it’s up to us. No matter what happens in the Senate, it is up to us in 2020. This is our chance to refuse to be taken in by the helplessness, to refuse and reject the cynicism. That is what this presidential election is about. It is what my campaign is about. Our opportunity in 2020, no matter what happens in Washington, as a country, to change the course of this nation for the better.

Judy Woodruff: (07:57)
Mr. Yang, what more-

Tom Steyer: (07:58)
I’m over here.

Judy Woodruff: (08:00)
Mr. Yang, what more can you say to the American people?

Tom Steyer: (08:01)
Judy, Judy, sorry.

Judy Woodruff: (08:03)
I’m sorry, Mr. Steyer, I’m sorry.

Tom Steyer: (08:06)
Well, let me remind everyone that I’m the person who started The Need to Impeach movement over two years ago. Because I believe what counts here is actually the American people’s opinion. Over eight and a half million signed that petition and dragged Washington into the idea that actually the most corrupt president in American history, it’s not a question of political expediency, it’s not a question of political tactics, it’s a question of right and wrong. So now when we look what’s going on, I actually agree with Senator Klobuchar. The question here is, if we want the American people to understand what’s going on, we need to have the administration officials testify on TV so we can judge.

Tom Steyer: (08:54)
The court that counts here is the court of public opinion. The American people deserve to see the truth of these administration officials testifying under oath, so we can make up our mind. If we want Republican senators to do the right thing, we need their constituents to see the truth on TV, and tell them, “Get rid of this guy or we’ll get rid of you.” That’s what I believe in. I’m a believer in the grassroots, as an outsider, getting the American people’s voice to count. That’s who I trust and that’s who I trust now.

Judy Woodruff: (09:27)
Mr. Yang.

Andrew Yang: (09:30)
It’s clear why Americans can’t agree on impeachment. We’re getting our news from different sources, and it’s making it hard for us even to agree on basic facts. Congressional approval rating, last I checked, it was something like 17 percent, and Americans don’t trust the media networks to tell them the truth. The media networks didn’t do us any favors by missing a reason why Donald Trump became our president in the first place. If you turn on cable network news today, you would think he’s our president because of some combination of Russia, racism, Facebook, Hillary Clinton, and e-mails all mixed together.

Andrew Yang: (10:02)
But Americans around the country, no different. We blasted away four million manufacturing jobs that were primarily based in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Missouri. I just left Iowa. We blasted 40,000 manufacturing jobs there. The more we act like Donald Trump is the cause of all of our problems, the more Americans lose trust that we can actually see what’s going on in our communities and solve those problems. What we have to do is we have to stop being obsessed over impeachment, which unfortunately strikes many Americans like a ballgame where you know what the score is going to be, and start actually digging in and solving the problems that got Donald Trump elected in the first place. We have to take every opportunity to present a new positive vision for the country, a new way forward to help beat him in 2020, because make no mistake, he’ll be there at the ballot box for us to defeat.

Judy Woodruff: (10:57)
Thank you, Mr, Yang. Let’s turn now to an issue that is on the minds of all Americans, and that is the economy. Senator Sanders, today, the House of Representatives voted for a new bipartisan trade agreement among the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It was supported by union-friendly leaders like Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and big labor groups like the AFL-CIO. They say it is going to be a big job creator. Senator, my question is, will you support this deal, and if not, why not?

Bernie Sanders: (11:35)
Judy, you’re talking to somebody who, unlike some of my colleagues here, voted against NAFTA, voted against PNC [inaudible 00:11:45] with China, two agreements that cost us over four million decent-paying jobs. Now, I don’t agree with the, your statement that people think this is going to be a great job creator. This is a modest improvement over what we have right now. It would allow, hopefully, Mexican workers to organize into unions or independent unions, and be able to negotiate decent contracts. But at the end of the day, in my view, it is not going to stop outsourcing. It is not going to stop corporations from moving to Mexico, where manufacturing workers make less than two dollars an hour. What we need is a trade policy that stands up for workers, stands up for farmers, and, by the way, the word “climate change,” to the best of my knowledge, is not discussed in this new NAFTA agreement at all, which is an outrage. So no, I will not be voting for this agreement, although it makes some modest improvements.

Judy Woodruff: (12:46)
Senator Klobuchar-

Amy Klobuchar: (12:48)
I have a different view. I’ll go with my friend Sherrod Brown, who has voted against every trade agreement that’s come in front of him, and he’s voting for this, and I am too. And the reason I am voting for it is that I believe that we have a change with this agreement. I would not have voted for the agreement that President Trump put forward, but we’ve got better labor standards, better environmental standards, and a better deal when it comes to the pharmaceutical provision, which I also oppose.

Amy Klobuchar: (13:19)
95 percent of our customers are outside of our borders, and we have to make sure that we have trade agreements that are more fair, because if we can encourage work made in America, every time you hold something in your hand that says “made in America,” it is the ingenuity of our workers. It is equality of a product, it is equality of our workers, and it is the hopes and dreams of the American people. I think this agreement, while Senator Sanders is correct, there are some issues with it, is much better than the one originally proposed. And for those farmers in the Midwest, and for those people that have been hurt by the fact that we will not have a trade segment with Mexico and with Canada and the United States, I think that this is a much better deal.

Judy Woodruff: (14:03)
All right. We can pull some of your, I see some other hands up. I want to move to the next question and you can bring in, I think, your points with this, but this one I’m going to initially address to Vice President Biden, and that is the overall U.S. economy right now looks strong. The unemployment rate is at historic lows, unemployment among African Americans is down, the markets are booming, wages, while not growing as much as many would like, they’re still doing about as well as they were in the Obama/Biden era. My question to you, Mr. Vice President is, what is your argument to the voter watching this debate tonight, who may not like everything President Trump does, but they really like this economy and they don’t know why they should make a change?

Joe Biden: (14:47)
Well, I don’t think they really do like the economy. Go back and talk to the old neighbors in the middle class neighborhoods you grew up in. The middle class is getting killed. The middle class is getting crushed and the working class has no way up as a consequence of that. You have, for example, farmers in the Midwest, 40 percent of them could pay, couldn’t pay their bills last year. You have most Americans, if they’ve received the bill for 400 dollars or more, they’d have to sell something or borrow the money.

Joe Biden: (15:13)
The middle class is not, is behind the eight ball. We have to make sure that they have an even shot. We have to eliminate significant number of these god-awful tax cuts that were given to the very wealthy. We have to invest in education. We have to invest in healthcare. We have to invest in those things that make a difference in the lives of middle class people so they can maintain their standard of living. That’s not being done, and the idea that we’re growing, we’re not growing. The wealthy, very wealthy are growing. Ordinary people are not growing. They are not happy with where they are, and that’s why we must change this presidency now.

Judy Woodruff: (15:49)
Mayor Buttigieg, is that your, is that your assessment?

Andrew Yang: (15:53)
Yes. Where I live folks aren’t measuring the economy by how the Dow Jones is looking, they’re measuring the economy by how they’re doing. When you’re doing the bills at the end of the month at your kitchen table, and you find that, even if your wages have gone up, is not nearly going as fast as the cost of health, and how’s… This economy is not working for most of us, for the middle class, and, I know you’re only ever supposed to say middle class and not poor in politics, but we’ve got to talk about poverty in this country.

Andrew Yang: (16:22)
There is not one county in the United States of America where someone working full time at the minimum wage can afford a two bedroom apartment. In most places, not even a one bedroom apartment. The biggest problem in our economy is simple – people are not getting paid enough. That is not the result of some mysterious cosmic force. It’s the result of bad policy, and we’ve got to change it by raising wages and empowering workers.

Judy Woodruff: (16:52)
Mr. Yang, Mr. Yang.

Andrew Yang: (16:55)
GDP and corporate profits are at record highs in America today. Also at record highs, depression, financial insecurity, student loan debt, even suicides and drug overdoses. It has gotten so bad that our life expectancy as a country has declined for the last three years, because suicides and drug overdoses have overtaken vehicle deaths for the first time in American history. The fact is, this unemployment rate and GDP have very little relationship with people’s lived experience on the ground. If you’re a recent college graduate, you have a 40 percent chance of doing a job that doesn’t require a college degree. That doesn’t show up in the headline unemployment rate, nor does all of the families that are working two or three jobs to get by.

Judy Woodruff: (17:39)
Senator Warren, you have your hand up.

E. Warren: (17:43)
I do.

Judy Woodruff: (17:43)
And I have a question for you.

E. Warren: (17:45)
Well, I want to ask-

Judy Woodruff: (17:47)
Go ahead-

E. Warren: (17:47)
This question-

Judy Woodruff: (17:48)
Go ahead-

E. Warren: (17:48)
Because here’s the problem. I’m proud to stand on a stage with Democrats who understand that a rising GDP, rising corporate profits, is not being felt by millions of families across this country. I’m proud to stand on a stage with people who see that America’s middle class is being hollowed out, and that working families and poor people are being left behind.

E. Warren: (18:11)
What we need to talk about, though, is why that has happened, and the answer is we’ve got a government that works great for those with money, and doesn’t work for much of anyone else. We have a government that works great for giant drug companies, just not for someone trying to fill a prescription. Works great for people who want to make money at private prisons and private detention centers at our border, just not for the people whose lives are torn apart. Works great for giant oil companies that want to drill everywhere, but not for the rest of us, who see climate change bearing down upon us. And when you see a government that works great for the wealthy and the well-connected and for no one else, that is corruption, pure and simple, and we need to call it out for what it is.

Judy Woodruff: (19:06)
I want… I want Senator Sanders, if you would, a brief response, and then I have another question.

Bernie Sanders: (19:12)
Look, here’s the response. Trump goes around saying, “The economy is doing great.” Do you know what, real inflation accounted for, wages went up last year? One point one percent. That ain’t great. Tonight, while three people own more wealth than the bottom half of America, 500,000 Americans, including 30,000 veterans are sleeping out on the streets. Today in America, we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country on Earth, more income and wealth inequality since the 1920s. We need an economy that works for working families, not just the 1 percent. That is what our campaign is about.

Judy Woodruff: (19:59)
Senator Warren, I have a question for you. Every candidate on the stage has proposed tax increases on the wealthy. But you have especially ambitious plans that, apart from healthcare, would hike taxes an additional eight trillion dollars over the decade, the biggest tax increase since World War II. How do you answer top economists who say taxes of this magnitude would stifle growth and investment?

E. Warren: (20:26)
Oh, they’re just wrong. Let’s start with a wealth tax. The idea of a two cent tax on the great fortunes in this country, 50 million dollars and above. For two cents, what can we do? We can invest in the rest of America. We can provide universal childcare, early childhood education for every baby in this country, age zero to five. Universal pre-K for every three year old and four year old and raise the wage.

E. Warren: (21:03)
… Pre K for every three-year-old and four-year-old and raise the wages of every childcare worker and preschool teacher. We can do even more for our public schools, for college graduates, we can cancel student loan debt, but think about the economic impact of that. You leave two cents with the billionaires. They’re not eating more pizzas, they’re not buying more cars. We invest that 2% in early childhood education and childcare. That means those babies get top notch care. It means their mamas can finish their education. It means their mamas in their daddies can take on real jobs, harder jobs, longer hours. We can increase productivity in this country and we can start building this economy from the ground up. That’s how we built it in small towns, that’s how we built it in rural America and that’s how we built it in urban America. An economy that works.

Judy Woodruff: (21:58)
Brief answers.

E. Warren: (21:58)
Not from Wall Street, but that works for main stram.

Judy Woodruff: (21:58)
Brief Responses from Mr. Steyer and Mr. Buttigieg.

Tom Steyer: (22:06)
Let me say that I agree with Senator Warren in much of what she says. I’ve been for a wealth tax for over a year. I’m in favor of undoing all the tax breaks for rich people and big corporations [crosstalk 00:22:18] that this administration has put through. And in addition, I’ve talked about equilibrating the taxes on passive investment income, which would allow us to cut taxes for 95% of Americans by 10%. But there’s something else going on here that I think is really important, and that’s this. We know Mr. Trump’s going to run on the economy.

Tom Steyer: (22:38)
I built a business over 30 years from scratch. We’re going to have to take him on, on the economy in terms of growth as well as economic justice. We’re going to have to be able to talk about growth, prosperity across the board for everyone in America. My experience building a business, understanding how to make that happen means I can go toe to toe with Mr. Trump and take him down on the economy and expose him as a fraud and a failure. And I think that’s different from the other people on this stage. I think we need a different unconventional way of attacking a different unconventional president who actually went after the-

Judy Woodruff: (23:17)

Tom Steyer: (23:17)
Best prepared candidate in American history and beat her.

Judy Woodruff: (23:20)
Mayor, Buttigieg.

Pete Buttigieg: (23:22)
Right now I think we’re being offered a false choice. You either have to go all the way to the extreme or it’s business as usual. Yes, we must deliver big ideas and yes, taxes on wealthy individuals and on corporations are going to have to go up. We can also be smart about the promises we’re making. Make sure they’re promises that we can keep without the kind of taxation that economists tell us could hurt the economy. It’s why, for example, I propose that we make college free for 80% of Americans, but it doesn’t have to be free for the top. If you’re in that top 10% how you pay your own tuition and we save those dollars for something else that we could spend them on, that would make a big difference. Whether it’s infrastructure, childcare, housing, health. On issue after issue, we’ve got to break out of the Washington mindset that measures the bigness of an idea by how many trillions of dollars it adds to the budget or the boldness of an idea by how many fellow Americans it can antagonize.

Judy Woodruff: (24:22)
We’re going to take a short break and we’ll be right back in two minutes with questions from my fellow moderators.

Speaker 1: (24:43)
[inaudible 00:24:43] Welcome back everyone. We are here back at the break in this debate, the first of three breaks. This is a short one. I’m joined by of course, our fantastic panel of analysts and journalists and I want to first ask you, Stephanie Sy and Amy Walter, we hit the two big topics right off the top. Impeachment. Basically president Trump. How do you deal with him and the economy? Let’s start with the economy. That’s the number one issue for voters here. All of these candidates want $15 an hour minimum wage at least eventually, but what differences did we hear? Anything significant?

Amy Walter: (25:13)
The difference we heard was at the very end there with Pete Buttigieg saying, we got to make sure that they are promises that we can keep. And going back, something we talked about before the debate began, this sense of breaking away from Elizabeth Warren by saying we can be big, we can be bold, we can have really progressive ideas, but if we look like we are measuring our boldness just in how much tax we are putting on Americans, how big the programs are going to be, that’s just going to come back and hurt the democratic nominee.

Speaker 1: (25:48)
Stephanie Sy.

Stephanie Sy: (25:49)
So first of all, Elizabeth Warren’s answer to Judy’s question. She didn’t answer it directly. She just said, “No, those models are wrong.” There are different economic models of what impact-

Speaker 1: (26:00)
“What about the economic data that [crosstalk 00:26:03]?” She said “They’re just wrong.”

Stephanie Sy: (26:04)
Yeah. And you know, the fact is Wharton at the University of Pennsylvania came out with a budget model just last week and did say that her model in the next 10 years could constrain GDP growth. So there are different models out there. She’s going to have to continue to explain that question. If she makes it into the general election.

Speaker 1: (26:21)
[crosstalk 00:26:21] and she has to also have some details.

Stephanie Sy: (26:24)
That’s all right.

Speaker 1: (26:24)
It looks like candidates might’ve gotten their drinks of water. I hope you did too. And we’re going to go back to the stage momentarily again for the PBS NewsHour, Politico Democratic Debate, many more big issues to come, stay tuned.

Speaker 1: (26:36)
[inaudible 00:05:43].

Speaker 2: (26:56)
Live from Angeles, the PBS NewsHour, Politico Democratic Debate continues. Once again, Judy Woodruff.

Judy Woodruff: (27:06)
Welcome back to the PBS NewsHour Politico Democratic Presidential Debate. The next question is from Tim Alberta of Politico.

Tim Alberta: (27:14)
Thanks Judy. Candidates, good evening. We’re going to talk about climate now. Senator Klobuchar, many scientists say that even if the US reduced its carbon footprint to zero by the year 2050 the damage will have been done. The climate change will have made certain places in the US unlivable. So knowing this, would you support a new federal program to subsidize the relocation of American families and businesses away from places like Miami or Paradise, California, perhaps. Davenport, Iowa. Because we know these places are going to be hit time and time again.

Amy Klobuchar: (27:49)
Well, I very much hope we’re not going to have to relocate entire cities, but we will probably have to relocate some individual residents. And the problem right now is that this climate change is this existential crisis and you are seeing it here in California with the fires that you just had. You saw it in Northern California as was mentioned with Paradise and the most moving video from that to me was a 30 second video of that dad driving his little girl through the lapping fires with his neighborhood burning behind him and singing to her to calm her down.

Amy Klobuchar: (28:28)
We cannot wait to act. There’s an Ojibwe saying that great leaders make decisions, not for this generation, but seven generations from now. This president doesn’t keep his decisions for seven minutes. So what I think we need to do get back into the International Climate Change Agreement. I will do that on day one. On day two, bring back the clean power rules on day three, the gas mileage standards. I see the governor of California who has been working so hard to get those done, defied every step of the way by the Trump administration. And then introduced sweeping legislation to put a price on carbon and build a fridge to the next century, which means we must upgrade our buildings and our building standards.

Tim Alberta: (29:13)
Thank you, Senator Klobuchar. Mr Steyer, would you support such a new federal program again to help subsidize the relocation of these families?

Tom Steyer: (29:22)
Look, I am hoping that we in fact will do what I’m suggesting, which is declare a state of emergency on day one of my presidency. I believe I’m the only person here who will say unequivocally, this is my number one priority. I know that we have to deal with this crisis. I know that we have to deal with it from the standpoint of environmental justice. I’ve been working on this for more than a decade. I’ve taken on oil companies and beaten them on environmental laws. I’ve pushed clean energy across this country. I’ve prevented pipelines and I’ve prevented fossil fuel plants.

Tom Steyer: (29:54)
But I know is this, not only can we clean up the air and water in the black and brown communities where our pollution is concentrated. This is also the opportunity to create literally millions of middle-class union jobs well-paid across the United States of America. Our biggest crisis is our biggest opportunity and if we don’t declare a state of emergency on day one, I don’t understand how we go to the people around the world to lead the coalition that has to happen and that only America can lead. Look, this is a generational question. I have a lot of respect for the people on this stage. I know everybody is worried about this, but for instance, I would call on Mayor Buttigieg to prioritize this higher. Because the people in his generation understand that this is a crisis that we have to go on right now, but it’s also the greatest opportunity to rebuild and reinvent America.

Tim Alberta: (30:47)
Thank you, Mr. Steyer. Mr. Buttigieg, 45 seconds to respond.

Pete Buttigieg: (30:52)
Well, I’ve made clear that this will be a topic of day one action, and this is not theoretical for me. I live in one of those river cities that you’re talking about. Not only that, I live right by the river. My neighborhood flooded in the second of two once in a millennium floods that we had in two years. Do the math on that so I know what’s at stake and it’s why I insist that we act with a carbon tax and dividend with massive increases in renewable research on renewable energy, energy storage and carbon storage. But bigger than that, you have to summon the energies of the entire country to deal with this.

Pete Buttigieg: (31:28)
I’ve seen politicians in Washington saying the right thing about climate change for as long as I’ve been alive. All these plans we have to get carbon neutral by 2050, and I think most or all of us have one. Their impact is multiplied by zero unless something actually gets done.

Tim Alberta: (31:45)
We’d like to switch-

Pete Buttigieg: (31:45)
And that is why I want to make sure that our vision for climate includes people from the auto worker down the block from me in South Bend, to a farmer a few minutes away, so that they understand that we are asking, recruiting them to be part of the solution.

Tim Alberta: (31:58)
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Pete Buttigieg: (31:58)
Not beating them over the head and telling them they are part of the problem.

Tim Alberta: (32:00)
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We’d like to switch gears slightly. Vice president Biden, I’d like to ask you, three consecutive American presidents have enjoyed stints of explosive economic growth due to a boom in oil and natural gas production. As president, would you be willing to sacrifice some of that growth even knowing potentially that it could displace thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of blue collar workers in the interest of transitioning to that greener economy?

Joe Biden: (32:23)
The answer’s yes. The answer’s yes, because the opportunity for those workers to transition to high paying jobs, as Tom said, is real. We’re the only country in the world’s ever taken great, great crises and turned them into an enormous opportunities. I’ve met with the union leaders. For example, we should, in fact, making sure right now that every new building built is energy contained, that it doesn’t leak energy. That in fact we should be providing tax credits for people to be able to make homes turn to solar power where there’s all kinds of folks out here, right here in California. We’re now on the verge of having batteries that are about the size of the top of this podium that you can store energy when in fact the wind isn’t blowing and the sun isn’t shining. We have enormous opportunities. For example, you talk about would we relocate people who in fact we’re in a position where they lost their home.

Joe Biden: (33:16)
We have to not rebuild to the standard that existed before when we talk about when we come in and help people. We have to rebuild the standard that exists today. For example, we shouldn’t build another new highway in America that doesn’t have charging stations on it. We have an opportunity to put 550,000 charging stations so that we own the electric vehicle market, creating millions of jobs for people and installing them as well as making sure that we own the electric vehicle market. There’s so many things we can do and we have to make sure we explain it to those people who are displaced, that their skills are going to be needed for the new opportunities.

Tim Alberta: (33:51)
Thank you, Vice President Biden. Senator Sanders.

Bernie Sanders: (33:54)
Tim, in all due respect, your question misses the mark. It is not an issue of relocating people in towns. The issue now is whether we save the planet for our children and our grandchildren. The issue, as you should know, what the scientists are telling us, is they have underestimated the threat and severity of climate change. You’re talking about the Paris Agreement, that’s fine. Ain’t enough. We have got to, and I’ve introduced legislation to do this, declare a national emergency. The United States has got to lead the world and maybe, just maybe, instead of spending 1.8 trillion a year globally on weapons of destruction, maybe an American president, i.e. Bernie Sanders can lead the world. Instead of spending money to kill each other, maybe we pool our resources and fight our common enemy, which is climate change.

Tim Alberta: (34:58)
Thank you, Senator Sanders. Senator Warren, a new question to you, Senator Warren. Many of our Western allies rely heavily on nuclear energy because it’s efficient, affordable, and virtually carbon free. And many climate experts believe that it’s impossible to realize your goal of net zero emissions by the year 2050 without utilizing nuclear energy. So can you have it both ways on this issue?

E. Warren: (35:24)
So I see right now is, we’ve got to get the carbon, we’ve got to stop putting more carbon into the air. We’ve got to get the carbon out of the air and out of the water and that means that we need to keep some of our nuclear in place. I will not build more nuclear. I want to put the energy literally and the money and the resources behind clean energy and by increasing by 10 fold what we put into science, what we put into research and development. We need to do what we do best. And that is innovate our way out of this problem and be a world leader. But understand the biggest climate problem we face is the politicians in Washington who keeps saying the right thing, but continue to take money from the oil industry. Continue to bow down to the lobbyist, to the lawyers, to the think tanks to the bought and paid for experts.

E. Warren: (36:19)
America understands that we’ve got to make change and we’re running out of time. That climate change threatens every living thing on this planet. But getting Congress to act, they just don’t want to hear it. And if we don’t attack the corruption first, if we don’t attack the corruption head on, then we’re not going to be able to make the changes we need to make on climate, on gun safety, on drug pricing, on all of the big problems that face us. We need a Washington that doesn’t just work for the rich and the powerful. We need one that works for our families.

Tim Alberta: (36:56)
Thank you, Senator. Senator Klobuchar, and then I’d like to bring in Senator Yang and Mr. Steyer with the follow ups.

Amy Klobuchar: (37:02)
I wanted to add to what Elizabeth said. So the way we tackle this corruption is by winning big in this election and the way we take on climate change in a big way is by yes, talking about what’s happening on the coast is I just did, but also talking about what’s happening in the Midwest, where I’m from. It’s not fly over country to me, I live there. And what we are seeing there is unprecedented flooding. We’re seeing an increase. 50% increase in homeowners insurance over the last few years and when we make these changes, we have to make clear to people that when we put a price on carbon that that money is going to come back to those areas where people are going to be hurt, where jobs are going to change and to make them whole with their energy bills. When you make the case like that, you bring in the Midwestern votes, you win big, and I think the best way to do it is by putting someone at the top of the ticket who’s from the Midwest.

Tim Alberta: (38:00)
Mr. Yang, 45 seconds on the issue of nuclear energy.

Andrew Yang: (38:05)
Well first we should obviously be paying to relocate Americans away from places that are hit by climate change. We’re already doing it. We relocated a town in Louisiana that became uninhabitable because the sea levels rose. And we know that town is not alone. That’s playing out in coastal areas around the country. The question is, do you leave that town on its own to fend for itself or do you come together as a country and say, “We need to protect our people from climate change?” Part of my plan is literally called move people to higher ground. Because that’s what we need to do and that’s literal and figurative. Here in California, it’s forest fires and forest management. And nuclear power, I agree with the research. We need to have everything on the table in a crisis situation, which this is.

Andrew Yang: (38:48)
Other countries have had success with nuclear power and the next generation Thoriam reactors have a wealth of potential. Thoriam is not radioactive the way uranium is. It doesn’t last as long and you can’t make a weapon out of it. Whereas if we’re going to innovate our way out of this, as Elizabeth is saying, then we have to have nuclear on the table.

Tim Alberta: (39:07)
Thank you, Mr. Yang. The last one on the climate to you, Mr. Steyer.

Tom Steyer: (39:12)
The point about nuclear power is, it’s not at the stage in the United States where it’s competitive on price. It has a lot of risks to it in terms of disasters and we have no ability to store the toxins that come out of it and last a hundred thousand years. We actually have the technology that we need. It’s called wind and solar and batteries. So in fact, what we need to do, we can do. We’ve got to stop taking a look at this as something that we can’t do because we can do this, and we can do it in a way that rebuilds this country on an accelerated basis. Creates millions of union jobs and we come at it from the standpoint of environmental justice. This is our greatest opportunity to reinvent this country, to actually take on the biggest challenge in history and succeed together. You want to pull the country together with all this partisanship? Let’s take on the biggest challenge in history and succeed together as a nation. That’s what pulls people together.

Tim Alberta: (40:06)
Thank you, Mr. Steyer. Amna.

Amna: (40:09)
Thanks, Tim. Vice President Biden.

Joe Biden: (40:10)

Amna: (40:11)
You’ve been reassuring voters that things will return to normal. Once president Trump leaves office, that Republicans will have what you call an epiphany and come to the table to work with the Biden administration. But given everything that you have seen from current Republicans, what evidence is there that things will change?

Joe Biden: (40:29)
Look, I didn’t say return to normal. Normal is not enough. In fact, we would have to move beyond normal, whether it’s healthcare or the environment, whatever it is, we have to build on what we had started in our administration and that’s been interrupted very badly. Number one. Number two, with Trump out of the way, it’s not going to change things in a fundamental way, but what it will do is it will mean that we’re in a position where his base is not going to be able to intimidate those half a dozen Republicans we may need in other things.

Joe Biden: (41:02)
I refuse to accept the notion as some on the stage do that we can never, never get to a place where we have cooperation again. If that’s the case, where dead as a country, we need to be able to reach consensus. And if anyone has reason to be angry with the Republicans and not want to cooperate, it’s me the way they’ve attacked me and my son and my family. I have no love. But the fact is, we have to be able to get things done. And when we can’t convince them, we go out and beat them like we did in the 2018 election in red states and in purple states.

Amna: (41:37)
Thank you. Mr Biden. Mr gang, I want to switch topics to you, Mr. Yang, a new question. The democratic party relies on black, Hispanic, and Asian voters. But you are the only candidate of color on the stage tonight and the entire field remains overwhelmingly white. What message do you think this sends to voters of color?

Andrew Yang: (41:59)
It’s both an honor and disappointment to be the lone candidate of color on the stage tonight.

Andrew Yang: (42:03)
…Honor and disappointment to be the lone candidate of color on the stage tonight. I miss Kamala. I miss Cory, though I think Cory will be back. I grew up the son of immigrants and I had many racial epithets used against me as a kid, but black and Latinos have something much more powerful working against them than words. They have numbers. The average net worth of a black household is only 10% that of a white household. For Latinos, it’s 12%. If you’re a black woman, you’re 320% more likely to die from complications in childbirth. These are the numbers that define race in our country. And the question is, why am I the lone candidate of color on this stage? Fewer than 5% of Americans donate to political campaigns. You know what you need to donate to political campaigns? Disposable income.

Andrew Yang: (42:57)
The way we fix it… The way we fix this is we take Martin Luther King’s message of a guaranteed minimum income, a freedom dividend of $1,000 a month for all Americans. I guarantee, if we had a freedom dividend of $1,000 a month, I would not be the only candidate of color on this stage tonight.

Amna Nawaz: (43:12)
Thank you, Mr. Yang. Senator Sanders, I do want to put the same question to you, Senator Sanders. What message do you think-

Bernie Sanders: (43:20)
I will answer that question, but I wanted to get back to the issue of climate change for a moment because I do believe this is the existential issue.

Amna Nawaz: (43:27)
Senator, with all respect, this question is about race. Can you answer the question as it was asked?

Bernie Sanders: (43:31)
I certainly can because people of color, in fact, are going to be the people suffering most if we do not deal with climate change. And by the way, we have an obligation up here if there are not any of our African American brothers and sisters up here, to speak about an economy in which African Americans are exploited, where black women die three times at higher rates than white women, where we have a criminal justice system which is racist and broken, disproportionately made up of African Americans and Latinos and Native Americans who are in jail. So we need an economy that focuses on the needs of oppressed, exploited people and that is the African American community.

Amna Nawaz: (44:26)
Thank you, Senator. Yamiche.

Yamiche: (44:28)
Thank you, Amna. Senator Klobuchar, here in California, people who identify as Hispanic, black, Asian, or multiracial represent a majority of the population, outnumbering white residents. The United States is expected to be majority non-white within a generation. What do you say to white Americans who are uncomfortable with the idea of becoming a racial minority, even if you don’t share their concerns?

Amy Klobuchar: (44:51)
I’d say this is America. You’re looking at it. And we are not going to be able to succeed in the world if we do not invite everyone to be part of our economy. Our constitution says that we strive for a more perfect union. Well that’s what we are in doing right now. And to me that means, one, that everyone can vote, and that includes our communities of color. This action that’s been taken by this president and his people and his governors all over the country is wrong. They have made it harder for African Americans to vote. As one court said, “Discriminated with surgical precision.”

Amy Klobuchar: (45:34)
What would I do as one of the leaders on voting in the US Senate? One, stop the purging. As Stacey Abrams said, you do not stop having your right to assemble if you don’t go to a meeting for a year. Because you don’t go to a church or synagogue or a mosque for three months, you don’t lose your right to worship. You shouldn’t lose your right to vote. I would pass, as president, my bill to register every kid in this country when they turn 18 to vote. That would make all of these discriminatory actions in these states go away and I would stop the gerrymandering, in addition to the agenda of economic opportunity. Because as Martin Luther King says, “What good is it to integrate a lunch counter if you can’t afford a hamburger?”

Yamiche: (46:22)
Thank you, Senator. Let’s now turn to the issue of foreign policy and the Middle East. Senator Sanders, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo recently declared that the United States believes Israeli settlements in the West Bank do not violate international law. That broke decades long US precedent. How would you respond to Israeli expansion of settlements? Would you link that to foreign aid to Israel?

Bernie Sanders: (46:47)
Israel has… And I say this is somebody who lived in Israel as a kid, proudly Jewish. Israel has the right, not only to exist, but to exist in peace and security. But what US foreign policy must be about is not just being pro-Israel, we must be pro- Palestinian as well. And whether… In my view. We must understand that right now in Israel we have leadership under Netanyahu, who has recently, as you know, been indicted for bribery. Who in my view is a racist. What we need is a level playing field in terms of the Middle East, which addresses the terrible crisis in Gaza, where 60 or 70% of the young people are unemployed. So what my foreign policy will be about is human rights, is democracy, is bringing people together in a peaceful way, trying to negotiate agreements, not endless wars with trillions of dollars of expenses.

Yamiche: (48:02)
Thank you, Senator. Mayor Buttigieg.

Pete Buttigieg: (48:05)
What we are seeing in the Middle East and around the world are the consequences of this president’s failure, this president’s refusal to lead. It’s particularly disturbing in the case of Israel because he has infused domestic politics, making US foreign policy choices in order to effectively interfere in Israeli domestic politics. Acting as though that somehow makes him pro- Israel and pro- Jewish while welcoming white nationalists into The White House.

Pete Buttigieg: (48:36)
But it’s not only in the Middle East that we see the consequences of the disappearance of US leadership. We see among our allies and among our adversaries, case after case, where the world is making plans on what to do, ignoring the United States because we’re no longer considered reliable. It’s not just the mockery at a cocktail party on the sidelines of a conference, it’s the looks on the faces of the leaders at the UN as they looked at the United States President with a mixture of contempt and pity.

Pete Buttigieg: (49:07)
As an American, I never again want to see the American President looked at that way by the leaders of the world. The world needs America right now, but it can’t be just any American. It has to be one that is actually living up to the values that make us who we are. Supporting peace, supporting democracy, supporting human rights and supporting stability around the world.

Yamiche: (49:33)
Thank you, Mayor Buttigieg. Senator Warren, President Obama pledged to close the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, but could not. 40 prisoners remain there. Last year, US taxpayers paid $540 million to keep Guantanamo open. Would you pledge to finally close the detention facility and if elected, how will you do it?

E. Warren: (49:54)
Yes, it’s time to close this detention facility. It not only costs us money, it is an international embarrassment. We have to be an America that lives our values every single day. We can’t be an America that stands up and asks people to fight alongside us, as we did with the Kurds in fighting ISIS, and then turn around in the blink of a tweet and say that we’re turning our backs on the people who stood beside us. After that, who wants to be an ally of the United States? We have to be an America that understands the difference and recognizes the difference between our allies, the people who will work alongside us, and the dictators who would do us harm. And we need to treat our allies better than we treat the dictators. That needs to be our job as an America.

E. Warren: (50:52)
We have the finest military on earth. All three of my brothers served and we have people on this stage who have served and I’m deeply grateful for that. Our military is strong and important, but we need to be an America that relies on our State Department, that relies on diplomacy, that relies on our economic power and that relies on working together with the rest of the world to build a world that is sustainable environmentally and economically for everyone.

Yamiche: (51:23)
Thank you, Senator Warren. Vice President Biden. Why couldn’t you close Guantanamo Bay? Why couldn’t the Obama administration close Guantanamo Bay?

Joe Biden: (51:31)
We attempted to close Guantanamo Bay, but you have to have congressional authority to do it. They’ve kept it open. And the fact is that we in fact think it’s the greatest… It is an advertisement for creating terror. Look, what we have done around the world in terms of keeping Guantanamo open or what Trump has done by no longer being an honest broker in Israel, there is no solution for Israel other than a two state solution. It does not exist. It’s not possible to have a Jewish state in Middle East without there being a two state solution. And he has played to all the same fears and all the prejudices that exist in this country and in Israel.

Joe Biden: (52:08)
Bibi Netanyahu and I know one another well. He knows that I think what he’s doing is outrageous. What we do is we have to put pressure constantly on the Israelis to move to a two state solution, not withdraw a physical aid from them in terms of their security. And lastly, I think that-

Yamiche: (52:26)
Thank you, Vice President Biden.

Joe Biden: (52:27)
Senator Warren is correct. We have led by, not the example of our power, but the power of our example. And the example we’re demonstrating now is horrible. It’s hurting us badly.

Yamiche: (52:36)
Thank you, Vice President Biden. Judy.

Judy Woodruff: (52:40)
I want to turn to another part of the world and that’s China. Mayor Buttigieg, you have said that you think China presents more of a challenge than do your fellow candidates believe. The US clearly wants China’s cooperation on human rights, on climate change, on North Korea, on terrorism, and yet Americans are appalled by China’s record on human rights, including the detention of over a million Muslim Uyghurs. Should the US, is my question, do more than protest and issue sanctions? Should the US, for example, boycott the 2022 Beijing Olympics?

Pete Buttigieg: (53:19)
I think that any tool ought to be on the table, especially diplomatic, economic and social tools like what you’re describing. Look, for the president to let it be known that his silence, whether it’s on the rounding up of Muslim Uyghurs in Xinjiang, putting them into camps, or the aspirations of the people of Hong Kong for democracy. For him to let China know that his silence can be purchased is trashing American values. The reality is that there’s a lot more to the relationship with China than who’s selling more dishwashers? Yes, we need a much smarter trade policy.

Pete Buttigieg: (53:54)
We also have to acknowledge what’s going on over there. The use of technology for the perfection of dictatorship. That is going to require a stronger than ever response from the US in defense of democracy. But when folks out there standing up for democracy hear not a peep from the President of the United States, what message is that sending to the Chinese Communist Party? The message I will send is that if they perpetrate a repeat of anything like Tienanmen Square when it comes to Hong Kong, they will be isolated from the free world and we will lead that isolation diplomatically and economically.

Judy Woodruff: (54:30)
Mr. Steyer, many Americans have been moved in the last months by the protests of the people of Hong Kong. It is Chinese territory, but what could you, would you do as president if the Chinese government moved in militarily?

Tom Steyer: (54:48)
Look, there is a temptation, particularly for this president, to try and answer that in a bilateral way. The way the United States should be reacting in Hong Kong is by gathering our coalition of democracy and freedom loving partners and allies to push back. In fact, when we’re making moral statements around the world, it should not be us threatening and trying to be the world’s policemen. It should be us leading on a value driven basis with the other people who share our values and want to change the world.

Tom Steyer: (55:22)
We actually can’t isolate ourselves from China. In fact, we have to work with them as a frienemy. People who disturb us, who we disagree with, but who in effect we are linked to in a world that is ever getting closer. And in fact, if we are going to treat climate as the threat that it is, we are going to have to partner with the Chinese. They are going to have to come along with us. They’re going to have to trust us and together we’re going to have to solve this problem. So the ability to say-

Judy Woodruff: (55:49)
Thank you, Mr. Steyer.

Tom Steyer: (55:50)
It’s off the table. We need a good relationship with them. We’re going to have to work with them going forward under all circumstances.

Judy Woodruff: (55:56)
Thank you, Mr. Steyer. Vice President Biden, on China, we now know that China is engaged in an unprecedented military buildup. They have just launched a new aircraft carrier. There are new signs of their disturbing espionage campaign here inside the United States. There are a number of disturbing signs from the Chinese. National security scholars have long warned about the historical precedent that when there’s a ruling power and a rising power, there’s likely to be a war. Is the US on a collision course with China? What steps could you take as president?

E. Warren: (56:31)
It’s on a collision course with China but not for war. What we have to make clear is that we in fact are not going to abide by what they’ve done. 1 million Uyghurs, as you pointed out, Muslims, are in concentration camps. That’s where they are right now. They’re being abused. They’re in concentration camps. And what we started in our administration that Trump stopped, we should be moving 60% of our seat power to that area of the world. To let in fact the Chinese understand that they’re not going to go any further. We are going to be there to protect other folks.

E. Warren: (57:04)
Secondly, we in fact should make sure that we began to rebuild our alliances, which Trump has demolished, with Japan and South Korea, Australia and Indonesia. We in fact need to have allies who understand that we’re going to stop the Chinese from their actions. We should be gone to the UN immediately and sought sanctions against them and the United Nations for what they did. We have to be firm. We don’t have to go to war but we have to make it clear, “This is as far as you go, China.” And in terms of their military buildup, it’s real but it would take them about 17 years to build up to where we are. We’re not looking for a war but we’ve got to make clear we are Pacific power and we are not going to back away

Judy Woodruff: (57:45)
Mr. Yang and then Senator Klobuchar.

Andrew Yang: (57:49)
I have family in Hong Kong. I spent four months there and seeing what’s happening on the streets. It’s shocking. They banned face masks in Hong Kong. Why? Because they have AI technology that now is using facial recognition to identify protesters if they so much as do anything on the street so they can follow up with them and detain them later. This is the rivalry that we have to win where China’s concerned. They’re in the process of leapfrogging us in AI because they have more data than we do and their government is subsidizing it to the tune of tens of billions of dollars.

Andrew Yang: (58:23)
I have sat with our leading technologists and they say they cannot match the Chinese resources. China just produced its first major smartphone that does not have Google apps and it is now trying to export its technology to the rest of the world. What we have to do is build an international coalition to set technology standards and then you can bring the Chinese to the table in a very real way because this is their top priority and this is where we need to out compete them and win.

Judy Woodruff: (58:48)
Senator Klobuchar.

Amy Klobuchar: (58:53)
When it comes to foreign policy, I think we need to keep our promises and keep our threats. And this president has done neither. And a country like China, they’re leaders, they watch that and they know. He has stood with dictators over innocents. He has stood with tyrants over free leaders. He does it all the time. And I have a little different take than some of my colleagues when it comes to what happened at that conference with NATO. Yeah, they were making fun of him, some of the foreign leaders. I’ve heard senators make more fun of other senators than that. The point of it was that he couldn’t even tolerate it. He is so thin skinned that he walked, he quit. America doesn’t quit.

Amy Klobuchar: (59:39)
So if we want to send a message to the Chinese, we stand with our allies. We stand with them firmly. We have a very clear and coherent foreign policy when it comes to human rights. Check out my website, I have the five R’s of our foreign policy. About reasserting our values, rejoining international agreements, like the Iranian nuclear agreement. But it all comes down to one R, returning to sanity.

Judy Woodruff: (01:00:11)
Mayor Buttigieg and then we’re going to take a break.

Pete Buttigieg: (01:00:15)
I’m actually not worried about the president’s bad sense of humor when it comes to being made fun of. I’m worried about the fact that he is echoing the vocabulary of dictators around the world. When the American president refers to unfavorable press coverage as the product of the enemy of the people, democracy around the world gets weaker. Freedom of the press, not just here at home but around the world, gets weaker. It’s one more reminder of what is at stake, not just here at home, but for world history, in the imperative that we win this election.

Amy Klobuchar: (01:00:50)
Could I respond?

Pete Buttigieg: (01:00:51)
This is our chance.

Judy Woodruff: (01:00:52)
Very brief. Very brief.

Amy Klobuchar: (01:00:53)
Okay. I just want to make very clear, Mayor, that the freedom of the press is deep in my heart. My dad was a newspaper man. And I am the one that asked every attorney general candidate we’ve had under Donald Trump, both of whom I opposed, about their respect for the First Amendment. And they have refused to follow the rules that Attorney General Holder put in place when it came to protecting our journalists. They would not commit that they wouldn’t put a journalist in jail for doing their job. So this is not just talking points to me, this is the real world. And I think that experience that I will bring to The White House with protecting the First Amendment is worth more than any talking points.

Judy Woodruff: (01:01:37)
We’re going to take a short break and we will be…

Democratic Debate Part 2

Judy Woodruff: (00:00)
Politico Democratic Presidential Debate. I’m Judy Woodruff, joined by my PBS Newshour colleagues Amna Nawaz and Yamiche Alcindor, by Tim Alberta of Politico. Now, let’s turn to the next question from Tim.

Tim Alberta: (00:14)
Thank you, Judy. Candidates, let’s make things interesting. Former President Obama said this week when asked who should be running countries that if women were in charge, you’d see a significant improvement on just about everything. He also said quote, “If you look at the world and look at the problems, it’s usually old people, usually old men, not getting out of the way.”

Tim Alberta: (00:48)
Senator Sanders, you are the oldest candidate on stage.

Bernie Sanders: (00:52)
And I’m white as well.

Tim Alberta: (00:54)
Yes. How do you respond to what the former president has said?

Bernie Sanders: (01:00)
Well, I got a lot of respect for Barack Obama. I think I disagree with him on this one. Maybe a little self-serving, but I do disagree. Here is the issue. The issue is where power resides in America and it’s not white or black or male or female. We are living in a nation increasingly becoming an oligarchy, where you have a handful of billionaires who spend hundreds of millions of dollars buying elections and politicians. You have more income and wealth inequality today than at any time since the 1920s. We are the only major country on earth, not to guarantee healthcare for all people, which is why we need Medicare for all. We are facing an existential crisis of climate change. The issue is not old or young, male or female. The issue is working people standing up, taking on the billionaire class, and creating a government and an economy that works for all, not just the 1%.

Tim Alberta: (02:11)
Thank you, Senator Sanders. Vice President Biden, I’m going to guess that President Obama did not clear that remark through your campaign ahead of time. What do you say to it?

Joe Biden: (02:23)
I’m going to guess he wasn’t talking about me either.

Tim Alberta: (02:24)

Joe Biden: (02:28)
Look, I’m running because I’ve been around. All my experience. With experience, hopefully, comes judgment and a little bit of wisdom. The fact is that we’re in a position now, the next president of the United States is going to inherit two things. Economy that is out of kilter and a domestic policy that needs to be used where we have to unite America and a foreign policy that requires somebody to be able on day one, stand up, look out the entire world, know who that person is, know what they stand for and know they know them. And that’s the reason I’m running. I have more experience in doing that than anybody on this stage.

Tim Alberta: (03:04)
Just to follow up, Vice president Biden, if elected, you would turn 82 at the end of your first term. You’d be the oldest president in American history.

Joe Biden: (03:14)
[crosstalk 00:03:14] Churchill.

Tim Alberta: (03:14)
Are you willing to commit … American history.

Joe Biden: (03:17)
Oh, American history.

Tim Alberta: (03:17)

Joe Biden: (03:18)
I was joking. It was a joke.

Tim Alberta: (03:19)
Okay. I appreciate it.

Joe Biden: (03:23)
Politico doesn’t have much of a sense of humor.

Tim Alberta: (03:25)
Oh, we’ve got a great sense of humor. They wouldn’t have put me on stage otherwise.

Tim Alberta: (03:29)
Are you willing to commit tonight to running for a second term if you’re elected next November?

Joe Biden: (03:36)
No, I’m not willing to commit one way or another. Here’s the deal. I’m not even elected one term yet and let’s see where we are.

Joe Biden: (03:42)
But it’s a nice thought.

Tim Alberta: (03:53)
Senator Klobuchar, you had your hand raised.

Amy Klobuchar: (03:54)
Thank you for asking a woman this question. First of all, we have not had enough women in our government. When I was on Trevor Noah’s show once, I explained how in the history of the Senate, there was something like 2000 men and only 50 women in the whole history and he said if a nightclub had numbers that bad, they would shut it down. However, it is not just about numbers. It’s about what you get done. And that is my argument. If you look at the poll at the state that knows me best, and that is the state of Minnesota, it showed in the state that Hillary had her lowest margin of victory. It showed that I beat Donald Trump by 18 points. I beat him with men more than anyone on this stage. So, I think what matters in this election is can you bring in those rural and suburban areas, particularly in the Midwest? And number two, what will you do when you get there?

Amy Klobuchar: (04:49)
And I am someone that has passed over 100 bills, with men and women, with Republicans and with Democrats, including changing the sexual harassment laws for the United States Congress. A bill I led, so taxpayers are no longer going to have to pay for people that harass other people. I have passed the law for drug shortages. I have done work in our rural areas. I think that’s what most matters to people. I would be so proud to be the first woman president, but mostly I want to be a president that gets things done and improves people’s lives.

Tim Alberta: (05:24)
Thank you Senator Klobuchar.

Tim Alberta: (05:29)
Senator Warren, you would be the oldest president ever inaugurated. I’d like you to weigh in as well.

E. Warren: (05:33)
I’d also be the youngest woman ever inaugurated. I believe that President Obama was talking about who has power in America, whose voices get heard. I believe he’s talking about women and people of color and trans people and people whose voices just so often get shoved out. And for me, the best way to understand that is to look at how people are running their campaigns in 2020. I made the decision when I decided to run not to do business as usual. And now I’m crowding in on 100,000 selfies. That’s 100,000 hugs and handshakes and stories. Stories from people who are struggling with student loan debt, stories from people who can’t pay their medical bills, stories from people who can’t find childcare. Now, most of the people on the stage run a traditional campaign and that means going back and forth from coast to coast to rich people and people who can put up 5,000 bucks or more in order to have a picture taken, in order to have a conversation, and in order maybe to be considered to be an ambassador.

Tim Alberta: (06:50)
Thank you, Senator Warren.

E. Warren: (06:52)
No, I want to finish this. Those selfies cost nobody anything. And I get it. In a democracy, we all have a lot of different points of view and everybody gets one vote. But here’s the thing, people who can put down $5,000 to have a picture taken, don’t have the same priorities as people who are struggling with student loan debt or struggling to pay off medical debt. I’m running a campaign where people whose voices get heard. We can’t have people who can put down $5,000 for a check, drown out the voices of everyone else. They don’t in my campaign and they won’t in my white house.

Tim Alberta: (07:38)
Thank you, Senator Warren. Mayor Buttigieg, you had your hand raised.

Pete Buttigieg: (07:47)
I can’t help but feel that might’ve been directed at me and here’s the thing. We’re in the fight of our lives right now. Donald Trump and his allies have made it abundantly clear that they will stop at nothing, not even foreign interference, to hold on to power. They’ve already put together more than $300 million. This is our chance. This is our only chance to defeat Donald Trump. And we shouldn’t try to do it with one hand tied behind our back. The way we’re going to win is to bring everybody to our side in this fight. If that means that you’re a grad student digging deep to go online to and chip in 10 bucks, that’s great. And if you can drop $1,000 without blinking, that’s great too. We need everybody’s help in this fight. I’m not going to turn away anyone who wants to help us defeat Donald Trump. We need Democrats who’ve been with us all along, yes, but we also need independents worried about the direction of the country. If you were Republican, disgusted with what’s going on in your own party, we’re not going to agree on everything, but we need you in this fight and I will welcome you to our side.

Tim Alberta: (08:57)
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Senator Warren, 45 seconds to respond.

E. Warren: (09:03)
So, the mayor just recently had a fundraiser that was held in a wine cave full of crystals and served $900 a bottle wine. Think about who comes to that. He had promised that every fundraiser he would do would be open door, but this one was closed door. We made the decision many years ago that rich people in smoke-filled rooms would not pick the next president of the United States. Billionaires in wine caves should not pick the next president of the United States.

Tim Alberta: (09:42)
Mr. Mayor, your response.

Pete Buttigieg: (09:44)
You know, according to Forbes magazine, I am literally the only person on this stage who’s not a millionaire or a billionaire. This is important. This is the problem with issuing purity tests, you cannot yourself pass. If I pledge never to be in the company of a progressive democratic donor, I couldn’t be up here. Senator, your net worth is 100 times mine. Now, supposing that you went home feeling the holiday spirit, I know this isn’t likely but stay with me, and decided to go on to Pete for and give the maximum allowable by law $2,800. Would that pollute my campaign because it came from a wealthy person? No. I would be glad to have that support. We need the support from everybody who is committed to helping us defeat Donald Trump.

Tim Alberta: (10:44)
We would like to bring another one, but obviously Senator Warren, I’d like to give you a chance to respond.

E. Warren: (10:49)
I do not sell access to my time. I don’t do call-time with millionaires and billionaires.

Pete Buttigieg: (10:56)
Hold on a sec. Sorry, as it went Senator-

E. Warren: (10:58)
I don’t meet behind closed doors with big dollar donors and look, I’ve taken one that ought to be an easy step for everyone here. I’ve said to anyone who wants to donate to me, if you want to donate to me, that’s fine, but don’t come around later expecting to be named ambassador because that’s what goes on in these high dollar fundraisers. I said no and I asked everybody on this stage to join me. This ought to be an easy step and here’s the problem. If you can’t stand up and take the steps that are relatively easy, can’t stand up to the wealthy and well-connected when it’s relatively easy when you’re a candidate, then how can the American people believe you’re going to stand up to the wealthy and well-connected when you’re president and it’s really hard.

Pete Buttigieg: (11:46)
Senator, I’ve got to respond to this.

Tim Alberta: (11:49)
Mr. Mayor, we’re going to give you one more chance to respond.

Pete Buttigieg: (11:51)
First of all, if you can’t say no to a donor, then you have no business running for office in the first place. But also, Senator, your presidential campaign right now as we speak, is funded in part by money you transferred, having raised it at those exact same big ticket fundraisers you now denounce. Did it corrupt you, Senator? Of course not. So, to denounce the same kind of fundraising guidelines that president Obama went by, that Speaker Pelosi goes by, that you yourself went by until not long ago in order to build the democratic party and build a campaign ready for the fight of our lives, these purity tests shrink the stakes of the most important election upon us.

Tim Alberta: (12:34)
We’d like to bring everyone in. We’d like to bring everyone in.

E. Warren: (12:34)
He addressed me directly.

Amy Klobuchar: (12:36)
I did not come here to listen to this argument. I came here to make a case for progress and I have never even been to a wine cave. I’ve been to the Wind Cave in South Dakota, which I suggest you go to. So, what is making a case for progress about? That is what unites us up here instead of what divides us, which is campaign finance reform. That means passing a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United. It means making the first bill we pass when I am president will be HR1 which is the ethics reform passed in the house, which is currently sitting on Mitch McConnell’s desk along with 400 bills. And if you don’t think we can get this done, well we can, but only if we win this election big. Not by arguing with each other but by finding what united us in getting it done. I came to make a case for progress.

Tim Alberta: (13:39)
Thank you, Senator Klobuchar. Senator Sanders.

Bernie Sanders: (13:39)
I am rather proud, maybe, I don’t know. The only candidate up here doesn’t have any billionaire contributions, but you know what I do have? We have received more contributions from more individuals than any candidate in the history of the United States of America at this point in an election, averaging $18 a piece. Now there’s a real competition going on up here. My good friend Joe, and he is a good friend, he’s received contributions from 44 billionaires. Pete, on the other hand is trailing. Pete, you only got 39 billionaires contributing. So Pete, we look forward to you. I know you’re an energetic guy and a competitive guy to see if you could take on Joe on that issue. But what is not a laughing matter, my friends. This is why three people own more wealth than the bottom half. This is why Amazon and other major corporations pay zero in federal taxes. We need to get money out of politics. We should run our campaigns on that basis.

Tim Alberta: (15:00)
Thank you, Senator Sanders. Vice President Biden. 45 seconds to respond.

Joe Biden: (15:05)
My average contribution is $43, number one. That’s number one. Number two, the idea that the senator’s suggesting that I’m in the pocket of billionaires, when in fact they oppose everything that I’ve ever done and continue to do. I have made sure from the very beginning, every one of my fundraisers is open to the press. Every single solitary one, not one single time period. And I’ve made sure that you know exactly where all the … and the largest contribution I’ve accepted is $2,800, which is allowed under the law. And I’m the first person to introduce the constitutional amendment to make sure that there is now all public funding of elections. End all private funding. And we all should make a commitment of that right now on this stage. In the meantime, you got to fund a campaign and we in fact have funded a campaign average contribution, $43.

Tim Alberta: (15:57)
Thank you, vice president. [crosstalk 00:15:58] I would like to bring you in.

Bernie Sanders: (16:01)
Can I-

Tom Steyer: (16:02)
Listen, I’m running because this government is broken because it’s purchased by corporations and I’ve spent 10 years fighting those corporations and beating them and building grassroots organizations to push power down to the people. That’s what I’ve been doing for a decade. But let me say this, there’s someone who’s loving this conversation and his name is Donald Trump.

Bernie Sanders: (16:21)
That’s right.

Tom Steyer: (16:22)
We know how he’s going to run. He’s told us last week, he looked at a group of Americans and said, “I don’t like you. You don’t like me. It doesn’t matter. You’re going to support me because the Democrats will destroy the economy in 15 minutes.” We need to go after this guy. He’s a different breed of cat and we need to beat him and we need to talk about prosperity. And I spent 25 years building a business. We’re going to have to take him on the economy, not have these kinds of conversations and tear each other down, but actually go after this corrupt president and beat him on the economy where he thinks he’s king and where in fact he’s a fraud and a failure.

Tim Alberta: (16:59)
Thank you Mr. Steyer. We’re going to end it there. Amna?

Amna Nawaz: (17:00)
I want to turn now to an issue that’s been in the headlines quite a bit and that is immigration. Mr. Yang, we have a question here from a professor right here at Loyola Marymount. There are nearly 200,000 DACA recipients, so-called DREAMers, in the state of California more than any other state, including several students right here at LMU. If you win and you reinstate DACA through executive action, another president could just overturn it again. So, will you move on a permanent legislative fix for DREAMers in your first 100 days if elected?

Andrew Yang: (17:36)
Of course, I would. I’m the son of immigrants myself and I know that DREAMers are essentially Americans in everything but this legal classification. I just want to return to this conversation because I think it’s core. Our country is deeply misogynist and most all of us know that. Money and men are tied together. That’s where I thought Elizabeth was taking the conversation. The fact is, strong societies would elect more female leaders. Strong men treat women well for the same reasons. I’m on the record saying that you need both strong men and female leaders in government because the fact is if you get too many men alone and leave us alone for a while, we kind of become morons.

Andrew Yang: (18:28)
So, it’s related to our campaign finance rules because right now the fact is we operate in a fundamentally anti-woman marketplace, and that includes the marketplace for politicians. If we were to put a hundred democracy dollars into the hands of every American voter, instead of 5% contributing, you’d see that rate skyrocket to 50 or 60% and you’d have many, many more women who would run for office because they don’t have to go shake the money tree in the wine cave.

Amna Nawaz: (18:55)
Thank you Mr. Yang. I’d like to follow up. The question again, Mr. Yang-

Amy Klobuchar: (19:01)
Can I address immigration reform?

Amna Nawaz: (19:01)
Was about DREAMers. You pledge to move on a permanent legislative fix in your first 100 days. DREAMers say that they are frustrated by Democrats’ failure to prioritize their status in deal after deal. So, why should DREAMers trust Democrats now?

Andrew Yang: (19:16)
I believe everyone on this stage would do the right thing by DREAMers in the first hundred days. I would make it a top priority. I’m the son of immigrants myself. The fact is almost half of fortune 500 companies were started by an immigrant or children of immigrants. Immigrants make our country stronger and more dynamic. And immigrants are being scapegoated for issues they have absolutely nothing to do with. If you go to the factory in Michigan, it’s not wall to wall immigrants. It’s wall to wall robot arms and machines. We have to send the opposite message of this administration and, as your a president, I think I could send a very clear message, where if you’re considering immigrating to this country and I’m the president, you would realize my son or daughter can become president of the United States. That’s the opposite of the current administration and that’s the message I would love to send to the world.

Amna Nawaz: (20:00)
Thank you, Mr. Yang. Senator Sanders, I have a new question for you. You can respond to Mr. Yang’s comments as well.

Bernie Sanders: (20:11)
I can’t respond to the immigration question?

Amna Nawaz: (20:12)
This is related, sir, but there are estimated to be as many as 12 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. More than 2 million right here in California. If you have a chance to forge a bipartisan immigration reform plan, would you insist on a path to citizenship for all 12 million or just a segment of that population?

Bernie Sanders: (20:33)
No. This is what I would do. Day one executive order restore the legal status of 1.8 million young people in the DACA program. Day one we change border policy so that federal agents will never snatch babies from the arms of their mothers. Day one. Day one we introduce bipartisan legislation, which will, in fact, be comprehensive, which will result in a path toward citizenship for all of the 11 million who are undocumented. That is what the people of our country want. Trump thinks mistakenly that he is going to win reelection by dividing us up. We are going to win this election by bringing our people together, black and white and Latino, Native American, Asian American. That’s what this campaign is about. That’s what America must be about.

Amna Nawaz: (21:37)
Senator Klobuchar.

Amy Klobuchar: (21:38)
Thank you. I started my day today with a group of immigrants who are there talking to me about housing and I thought about this president and what he’s done. He has used our immigrants as political pawns. Every single day, he tries to draw a wedge. I will be a different president. My view on this comes from experience. When I got to the Senate, Senator Kennedy asked me to be one of the two new senators that was in the group to work on the immigration reform package. We got so close to passing that. I voted for it. Not everyone did, but most of the Democrats did. Then I was on the judiciary committee when President Obama was president and we worked very hard on that immigration reform. We actually passed that with Republican votes. Then I was in the small group that worked on the compromise on the DREAMers, that would have solved that problem. We didn’t get that done because this president gut-punched us.

Amna Nawaz: (22:40)
Thank you, Senator.

Amy Klobuchar: (22:41)
I will take my views. I will take this experience. I will get this done because immigrants don’t diminish America. They are America.

Amna Nawaz: (22:49)
Thank you, Senator. Mr. Steyer, briefly, your response.

Tom Steyer: (22:53)
Listen, I think it’s important to note that this president is not against immigration. He’s against immigration by non-white people.

Amy Klobuchar: (23:01)

Tom Steyer: (23:03)
This is his attempt to divide us, as Senator Sanders said, on race. And that’s what he’s been doing since the very first day he started running for president. He’s been vilifying non-white people. He’s been trying to inflame his base and scare them that if in fact white people lose control of this country, that they’re going to lose control of their lives. And as somebody who lives in a majority-minority state, which is California, what he’s doing is so wrong on so many different levels. I agree with Senator Sanders. We have to reframe this argument completely. We have to go back to the idea that every American is worth being a full human being on every right. This is a racial argument by a racist president who’s trying to divide us and who’s vilifying people. It’s absolutely wrong and it’s led him to break the laws of humanity in our name.

Amna Nawaz: (23:58)
Thank you, Mr. Steyer. Mayor Buttigieg, a new question to you, Mr. Mayor. You said last month that the U.S. owes compensation to children separated from their families at the Southern border. The consensus among child welfare experts is that those thousands of children will likely suffer lifelong trauma as a result of that separation. Are you committing, as president, to financial compensation for those thousands of children?

Pete Buttigieg: (24:25)
Yes, and they should have a fast track to citizenship because what the United States did under this president to them was wrong and we have a moral obligation to make right what was broken. And on the larger issue of immigration, my understanding of this issue isn’t theoretical. It’s not something I formed in committee rooms in Washington. It begins with the fact that my household, my family came from abroad. My father immigrated to this country and became a U.S. Citizen. It comes from the fact that I’m the mayor of a city where neighborhoods that were left for dying are now coming back to life, largely because of the contributions mainly of Latino immigrants.

Pete Buttigieg: (25:03)
…Largely because of the contributions mainly of Latino immigrants. And I’ve seen those same neighborhoods shut down. Families huddling in church, panicking just because of the rumor of an ice raid that does not make our country safe.

Amy Klobuchar: (25:14)
Could I respond.

Pete Buttigieg: (25:14)
Just to look into the eyes of an eight year old boy whose father was deported even though he had nothing so much as a traffic ticket against his name and try to think of something to tell that boy because I couldn’t tell him what he most wanted to hear, which is just that he was going to have his dad back. How can harming that young man possibly make America safer.

Amna Nawaz: (25:37)
Mr. Mayor, just-

Pete Buttigieg: (25:37)
When I am president? Based on those experiences, I will make sure that this is a country of laws and of values and that means not only ending these unspeakable frugal practices at the border, but finally and truly fixing the immigration system that has needed, a full overhaul since the 1980s.

Amna Nawaz: (25:57)
Mr. Mayor.

Pete Buttigieg: (25:58)
We cannot wait four years, 10 years. We cannot wait anymore to do something about this.

Amna Nawaz: (26:02)
Thank you Mr. Mayor. Just to follow-up, since you do support compensation for those families, should the US also compensate descendants of enslaved people? Do you support reparations for African Americans?

Pete Buttigieg: (26:13)
I support H.R. 40 which is the bill that has been proposed in Congress to establish a commission to look at reparations, but we shouldn’t wait for that commission to do its work to do things that are reparative. Remember we’re not talking about a gift to anybody. We’re talking about mending what was broken. We’re talking about the generational theft of the wealth of generations of African Americans. And just crossing out or racist policy and replacing it with a neutral one is not enough to deliver a quality harms compound just like a dollar saved in its value compounds over time. So does the value of a dollar stolen and that is why the United States must act immediately with investments in minority owned businesses with investments in health equity, with investments in HBCUs and on the longer term a look at reparations so that we can mend what has been broken.

Amna Nawaz: (27:08)
Vice president Biden, do you support reparations?

Joe Biden: (27:13)
Not any, since I haven’t spoken on this. Got a chance. Number one, the reason we’re the country we are is because of immigration. We’ve been able to cherry-pick the best from every single continent. The people that come here have determination, resilience. They are ready to stand up and work like the devil. We had a 24 out of every 100 children in our school today is Hispanic. The idea that we are going to walk away and not provide every opportunity for them is not only stupid and immoral but as bad for America. They are the future of America and we should invest in them. Everybody will be benefit from it. Every single American and you should get used to it. This is a nation of immigrants. That’s who we are. That’s why we are who we are. That’s what makes us different and we should invest in them.

Amna Nawaz: (28:02)
Thank you Mr. Biden. Senator Klobuchar, sorry you had your hand up.

Amy Klobuchar: (28:06)
I was hearkening back… I made my case on immigration to what the mayor said about Washington. So I look at this a different way. When we were in the last debate mayor, you basically mocked the 100 years of experience on the stage and what do I see on this stage? I see Elizabeth’s work starting the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and helping 29 million people. I see the vice president’s work in getting a $2 billion for his cancer moonshot. I see Senator Sanders’ work working to get the veterans bill passed across the aisle and I see what I’ve done, which is to negotiate three farm bills and be someone that actually had major provisions put in those bills. So what you can dismiss committee hearings. I think this experience works and I have not denigrated your experience as a local official. I have been one-

Pete Buttigieg: (29:02)
You know, sorry.

Amy Klobuchar: (29:02)
I just think you should respect our experience when you look at how you evaluate someone who can get things done.

Amna Nawaz: (29:13)
Thank you Senator. Mr. Mayor I’ll give you a chance to respond.

Pete Buttigieg: (29:15)
You actually did denigrate my experience Senator and it was before the break and I was going to let it go cause we got bigger fish to fry here. But, you implied that my relation-

Amy Klobuchar: (29:22)
Oh, I don’t think we have bigger fish to fry than picking a president of the United States.

Pete Buttigieg: (29:26)
You’re right, and before the break you seemed to imply that my relationship to the First Amendment was a talking point. As if anyone up here has any more or less commitment to the constitution than anybody else up here. Let me tell you about my relationship to the First Amendment. It is part of the Constitution that I raised my right hand and swore to defend with my life. That is my experience and it may not be the same as yours, but it counts, senator, it counts.

Amna Nawaz: (29:59)
Thank you Mr. Mayor. Senator Klobuchar this time you have 45 seconds to respond.

Amy Klobuchar: (30:02)
I certainly respect your military experience. That’s not what this is about. This is about choosing a president and I know my view of this is I know you ran for to be chair of the Democratic National Committee. That’s not something that I wanted to do. I want to be president of the United States. And the point is we should have someone heading up this ticket that has actually won and been able to show that they can gather the support that you talk about of moderate Republicans and Independents as well as a fired-up democratic base. And not just done at once, I have done it three times. I think winning matters. I think a track record of getting things done matters and I also think showing our party that we can actually bring people with us, have a wider tent, have a bigger coalition and yes, longer coattails that matters.

Amna Nawaz: (30:52)
Thank you Senator, finished.

Pete Buttigieg: (30:55)
I’ve got to respond to that. Senator I know that if you just go by vote totals, maybe what goes on in my city seems small to you. If you want to talk about the capacity to win, try putting together a coalition to bring you back to office with 80% of the vote as a gay dude and Mike Pence’s Indiana.

Amna Nawaz: (31:26)

Amy Klobuchar: (31:29)
If you had won in Indiana that would be one thing. You tried and you lost by 20 points.

Bernie Sanders: (31:37)
Let’s talk about how… Excuse me, let’s talk about how we win an election, which is something everybody here wants to do in terms of defeating the most dangerous president in American history. So let me tell you how you’re win it. You have the largest voter turnout in the history of America. And you don’t have the largest voter turnout unless you create energy and excitement. And you know, create energy and excitement unless you are prepared to take on the people who own America and are prepared to speak to the people who are working in America. We need a progressive agenda. Medicare for all, raising the minimum wage to a living wage, leading the world in combating climate change, making public colleges and universities-

Amna Nawaz: (32:29)
Thank you-

Bernie Sanders: (32:29)
available to all because we have free tuition or intensely Oh student debt in this country.

Yamiche A.: (32:35)
Thank you Senator Sanders. I’d like to turn to a new subject. And that is of course education. Senator Warren, you propose free public college tuition and student loan forgiveness for most families. Why should wealthy families be able to send their kids to public college for free? Why not concentrate that government help on those most in need?

E. Warren: (32:55)
So as I’ve talked about before, I have a 2 cent wealth tax proposed for millionaires and billionaires and that gives us enough money to invest in all of our babies age zero to five. To put an historic $800 billion investment in public schools, K through 12 and that will permit us to offer technical school 2-year college, 4-year college for every single person who wants an education. Cancel student loan debt four 50…. Put a $50 billion investment in our historically black colleges and universities and cancel student loan debt for 43 million Americans.

E. Warren: (33:37)
Look, this is about money, but this is also about values. We need to make an investment in our future and the best way to do that is let’s invest in the public education of our children. That starts when they’re babies and it goes long after high school. We want to have families. I meet families every day in the selfie lines who talk about what it means to be crushed by student loan debt. That’s why I have a proposal, popular among Democrats, popular among Republicans, popular among independents to ask those at the top to pay a little more. So somebody can get rid of that student loan debt so they can make an investment in themselves. Start a small business, buy a car, create a future for themselves and for this country.

Yamiche A.: (34:25)
Thank you, Senator. I see some hands, but I want to go to Mayor Buttigiege. Mayor Buttigiege, your plan offers free or discounted public college only to families making up to $150,000 a year. Do you think Senator Warren’s plan offers free college to too many families?

Pete Buttigieg: (34:41)
I do think that if you’re in that lucky top 10% I still wish you, well, don’t get me wrong, I just want you to go ahead and pay your own tuition. Now we can still have public service loan forgiveness for those who go into lower income fields to deal with that. But if you’re not top 10% I think you’re going to be for the most part. Okay? And there is a very real choice on where every one of these tax dollars goes. So I very much agree with Senator Warren on raising more tax revenue from millionaires and billionaires. I just don’t agree on the part about spending it on millionaires and billionaires when it comes to their college tuition.

E. Warren: (35:18)
So wait, he mentioned me by name.

Yamiche A.: (35:21)
Thank you, Mayor. Thank you Mayor Buttigiege, I want to… I’m going to let you respond senator Warren.

E. Warren: (35:26)
Look, the mayor wants billionaires to pay one tuition for their own kids. I want a billionaire to pay enough to cover tuition for all of our kids because that’s how we build a future. The other part is we’ve got to deal with student loan debt, and right now most of the people on the stage are nibbling around the edges of a huge student loan debt burden that disproportionately affects people of color. African Americans are more likely to have to borrow money to go to school, more likely to borrow more money while they’re in school and have a harder time paying it off. We want to make an investment in the future then open up education for all of our kids. That’s how we build our future.

Yamiche A.: (36:14)
Thank you senator. Senator Sanders you can nor respond to it.

Bernie Sanders: (36:15)
I believe in the concept of universality and one of the crises in America today is people are sick and tired of filling out forms. So you’re not eligible for the program today because you’re at 150 but you’ll lost your job by eligible. You’ve got a better job, you’re eligible. I think what we have to do is what we do with social security, what we do with public education. Donald Trump’s kids can go to a public school, they should be able to go to a public school. What we all need right now is a revolution in education. We have got to en this dysfunctional childcare system and make that every working class person in this country can find high quality, affordable childcare. We need to make public colleges and universities tuition-free. And by taxing billionaires and by taxing wall street, we will cancel all student debt in this country.

Yamiche A.: (37:16)
Thank you, Senator Sanders. Tim.

Tim Alberta: (37:16)
Switching gears here, Mr.Steyer, earlier this year in Iowa I met a father, Bill stumps and his son Kyle and Dubuque. Kyle is a remarkable young adults with significant disabilities and though he’s been employed for about five years at a local pizza parlor, the future is very uncertain for his family. Bill worries that there aren’t enough jobs, living facilities, social programs designed to meet the needs of his son. So I’m wondering as president, are there specific steps that you would take to help people like Kyle become more integrated into the workforce and into their local communities?

Tom Steyer: (37:51)
Look, the United States has made a commitment to treat everybody equally and that means supporting people with disabilities both in terms of education and later when they’re part of the workforce. That means bringing the resources to bear to make sure that we’re treating them fairly in school and after school to try and integrate them fully and to make them have as full a life as possible.

Tom Steyer: (38:18)
The question we’ve got here across the board is can we afford to do the kinds of things that Senator Sanders and Senator Warren are pushing? And the answer is yes, but in fact what we need to do is to undo the tax breaks that have been given for two generations to rich Americans and big corporations last year the top 400 corporations paid an 11% tax. That is absolutely ludicrous.

Amy Klobuchar: (38:45)
Could I answer the crisis? [crosstalk 00:38:47]

Tom Steyer: (38:47)
the answer on disability is a question of focus and money as so many of these questions are, we have a country where the government is broken because corporations have bought it. They’re getting their way and for us to get back to government of by and for the people that serves Americans, including Americans with disabilities. We’re going to have to take that back. For the sake-

Tim Alberta: (39:08)
Mr. Yang I didn’t hear a specific answer from Mr. Steyer. Can you outline specific steps that the government should take to help integrate these young people into the workforce and into their local communities?

Andrew Yang: (39:18)
I would love it. I have a son with special needs and to me special needs is the new normal in this country. How many of you all have a family member or a friend or a neighbor with special needs or autism? If you look around, most hands went up. The fact is right now we have to do more for Kyle. Special needs children are going to become special needs adults in many cases. And here’s the challenge. We go to employers and say, Hey, this special needs person can be a contributor in your workplace, which may be correct, but that’s not the point. We have to stop confusing economic value in human value. We have to be able to say to our kids and Kyle that you have intrinsic value because you are an American and you are a human being.

Andrew Yang: (39:58)
We’re going to put a freedom dividend of $1,000 a month in everyone’s hands, which is going to help families around the country adapt and then we’re going to take this burden off of the communities and off of the schools who do not have the resources to support kids like my son and make it a federal priority, not a local one. So not not robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Tim Alberta: (40:16)
Thank you Mr. Yang. We have to move on. Judy.

E. Warren: (40:18)
No. Come on.

Tim Alberta: (40:23)
Senator Warren, 45 seconds.

E. Warren: (40:24)
So I was a special education teacher and I loved that work because it gave me a chance to work straight up with people to recognize the worth of every human being. I had four to 46-year-olds who were in special ed and what do we need to do? That’s why I have a plan as a special ed teacher to fully fund IDEA, so every child with disabilities will get the full education they need.

E. Warren: (40:51)
My housing plan is about investing in more housing across this country and rural America and urban America in small town America, but it’s also about making sure that people who want to live independently, people who have disabilities will have housing available to them. I make a part of my job to spill that we are going to make sure as president, I will make sure that the people who want to bid on federal contracts are treating people with disabilities fairly and paying them fairly. You’ve got to go at it at every part of what we do because as a nation, this is truly a measure of who we are. We believe in treating these the least of thy brethren as people of value, and that is how we make a better America.

Tim Alberta: (41:42)
Thank you. Senator Warren. Judy.

Judy: (41:45)
I know we have a lot of hands up. We have so many important topics to discuss. I want to come to you, Senator Klobuchar on a question of the judges. President Trump has appointed, as we know, two Supreme court justices, but he’s also had confirmed nearly 200 federal judges, most of whom are young and could shape American law for decades to come. Some of them you voted for in the Senate, including one who just yesterday joined a ruling to strike down a key part of the affordable care act would president Trump’s appointees, my question is, make it harder for you as president for any of you on this stage to enact your agenda.

Amy Klobuchar: (42:28)
Of course. And I want to make it clear that I’ve opposed many, many judges and I think everyone will remember what happened at the Kavanaugh Hearing when that nominee went after me. I stood my ground and he had to apologize. So I have been very strong on these judges. As for the judge you just referred to, there was actually the judge that wrote the opinion was a, that went through the Senate unanimously with support by Senator Sanders with support by President Obama with support by then Senator Kennedy. So I think it is very important when we look at these judges to acknowledge that there are some of these judges that you think are going to be okay and they aren’t, but what would I do as president? I would appoint judges that are in the vein of people like Elena Kagan and justice Pryor and Sonia Sotomayor, and let’s not forget the notorious RBG. That’s what I would do.

Amy Klobuchar: (43:24)
And if you look at my record as a lawyer and a member of the Judiciary committee, look at the judges that I recommended to President Obama. People like Mimi Wright who’s a superstar, and Susan Richard Nelson, look at who I put in as the first openly gay Marshall in the history of the United States. I did that because I knew they were qualified people to take those jobs and you need to do it not only with the right judges and have that knowhow, but you also have to do it right away. That is one thing that we all learn from when president Obama was in and that was that he was dealing with an economic crisis and it was hard to do it right away, but we have to immediately start putting judges on the bench to fill vacancies so that we can reverse the horrific nature of these Trump judges.

Judy: (44:17)
A followup to mayor Buttigiege. Beyond a pledge not to overturn Roe versus Wade, which I believe all of you have said would be part of your decision making and choosing a nominee to the court. Are there other litmus tests that you would apply in choosing federal judges?

Pete Buttigieg: (44:36)
The Supreme court is very personal for me because my household, my marriage, exists by the grace of a single vote on that body, and yes, it is critical that we have justices who understand that American freedom includes reproductive rights and reproductive freedom, but that’s not all. I expect an understanding that voting rights are human rights. I expect an understanding that equality is required of us all and I expect a level of respect for the rule of law that prevents this body from coming to be viewed as just one more partisan battlefield, which is why I will not only appoint judges and justices who reflect this worldview, but also begin moving to reform the body itself as our country has done at least half a dozen times in its history. So that it is not one more political battlefield every single time a vacancy comes up.

Judy: (45:30)

Yamiche A.: (45:35)
Senator Sanders, at least 22 transgender people were killed in the United States this year. Most of them transgender women of color. Each of you have said you would push for the passage of the Equality Act, a comprehensive LGBTQ Civil Rights Bill. But if elected, what more would you do to stop violence against transgender people?

Bernie Sanders: (45:56)
We need moral leadership in the white house. We need a president who will do everything humanly possible to end all forms of discrimination against the transgender community, against the African American community, against the Latino community, and against all minorities in this country. But above and beyond providing the moral leadership of trying to bring our people together. What we also need for the transgender community is to make sure that health care is available to every person in this country, regardless of their sexual orientation or their needs. And that is why I strongly support and have helped lead the effort for a Medicare for all single payer program, which will provide comprehensive healthcare to all people, including certainly the transgender community.

Yamiche A.: (47:03)
Thank you, Senator Sanders. Senator Warren.

E. Warren: (47:07)
The transgender community has been marginalized in every way possible. And one thing that the president of the United States can do is lift up attention, lift up their voices, lift up their lives. Here’s a promise I made. I will go to the Rose Garden once every year to read the names of transgender women of people of color who have been killed in the past year. I will make sure that we read their names so that as a nation we are forced to address the particular vulnerability on homelessness. I will change the rules now that put people in prison based on their birth sex identification rather than their current identification. I will do everything I can to make sure that we are in America that leaves no one behind.

Yamiche A.: (48:00)
Thank you senator Warren.

Amna Nawaz: (48:05)
Vice president Biden. Let’s turn now to a Afghanistan. Confidential documents published last week by the Washington Post revealed that four years senior us officials misled the public about the war in Afghanistan. As vice president-

Joe Biden: (48:18)
Afghanistan, you said?

Amna Nawaz: (48:18)
Yes sir, Afghanistan.

Joe Biden: (48:18)
[inaudible 00:23:25].

Amna Nawaz: (48:19)
As vice president, what did you know about the state of the war and do you believe that you were honest with the American people about it?

Joe Biden: (48:29)
The reason I can speak to this, it’s well known, if any of you followed my view on Afghanistan, I was sent by the president before we got sworn in to Afghanistan to come back with a report. I said there was comprehensive policy available and then I got in a big fight for a long time with the Pentagon because I strongly opposed the nation building notion. We set about rebuilding that country as a, as a whole nation is beyond our capacity. I argued from the very beginning that we should have a policy that was based on an anti-terrorism policy with a very small footprint that in fact only had special forces to deal with potential threats from that territory to the United States of America.

Joe Biden: (49:17)
The first thing I would do as president the United States of America is to make sure that we brought all combat troops home and into a negotiation with the Taliban. But I would leave behind special forces in small numbers to be able to deal with the potential threat unless we got a real good negotiation accomplished to deal with terrorism. That’s been my position from the beginning. That’s why I think secretary Gates and some members of the Pentagon weren’t happy with me.

Amna Nawaz: (49:43)
Mr. Biden. The question was about your time in the white house though, and in that Washington Post report, there’s a senior national security official who said that there was constant pressure from the Obama white house to produce figures showing the troop surge was working, and I’m quoting from the report here, “Despite hard evidence to the contrary.” What do you say to that?

Joe Biden: (50:02)
Since 2009…

Amy Klobuchar: (50:02)
Hard evidence to the contrary, what do you say to that?

Joe Biden: (50:02)
Since 2009 go back and look, I was on the opposite side of that with the Pentagon. [inaudible 00:50:08] I can speak to it now is because it’s been published. It’s been published thoroughly. I’m the guy, from the beginning, who argued that it was a big, big mistake to surge forces to Afghanistan, period. We should not have done it and I argued against it constantly.

Amy Klobuchar: (50:25)
Senator Sanders you had your hand up?

Bernie Sanders: (50:26)
In all due respect to Joe. Joe, you’re also the guy who helped lead us into the disastrous war in Iraq. What we need to do, is I think, rethink and the Washington post piece was very educational. What we need to rethink, is the entire war on terror? We have lost thousands of our own men and women, brave soldiers. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, have been killed abroad or forced to leave their countries. It is time right now, that we bring this world together, to try to end these endless wars and address the root causes, which are causing these wars.

Amy Klobuchar: (51:16)
Senator Sanders, you do often point to your vote against the war in Iraq is evidence of your judgment on foreign policy. But you did vote for the war in Afghanistan and as recently as 2015 you said you supported a continued U. S. Troop presence there. Was that support a mistake?

Bernie Sanders: (51:32)
Well, only one person, my good friend Barbara Lee was right on that issue. She was the only person in the house to vote against the war in Afghanistan. She was right, I was wrong. So was everybody else in the house. But to answer your question, I don’t think you do what Trump does and make foreign policy decisions based on a tweet at 3:00 AM in the morning or dessert your long time allies like the Kurds. I think you work with the international community, you remove all troops over a period of time, a short period of time within one year.

Amy Klobuchar: (52:08)
Thank you, Senator. Mayor Buttigieg, you served in this war, but I want to ask about your decision making if you were elected Commander in Chief. You have pledged to withdrawal all U.S. troops from a Afghanistan within your first year as president. But the Taliban today control or contest more than half the country. So should you, as president, still withdrawal all those U. S. Troops if the country could once again become a Haven for terrorists.

Pete Buttigieg: (52:34)
We’re going to leave one way or the other. The question is to make sure we do it well and not poorly. And of course that has to respond to the conditions on the ground and the need for a political settlement. But the other day I was reunited with somebody that I served with over there and the thing we were, marveling at is how long it’s been since we left. I thought I was one of the last troops turning out the lights when I left years ago and we’re still there. There may need to be some kind of limited special operations and intelligence capacity. The exact same kind of thing by the way that we actually had in Syria, holding the line before the president yanked it out leading to the road to chaos. But what we know is that we cannot go on with these endless wars.

Pete Buttigieg: (53:20)
And I’m glad that the name of Barbara Lee was mentioned, not only because of what she’s talked about years ago. I believe that we had no choice but to go to Afghanistan after 9/11 but right now, she is one of the leaders of the effort to repeal and replace the authorization for the use of military force and the folks that I served with deserve that. They deserve the clarity of members of Congress being able to summon the courage, to take an up or down vote on whether they ought to be there in the first place and when I am president, anytime if I am forced to deploy troops into war, anytime we seek an authorization, it will have a three year sunset. So that if there really does have to be a conversation about extending it, it has to be brought to Congress, brought to the American people, and those members of Congress have to take that tough up or down vote.

Amy Klobuchar: (54:09)
Thank you Mr mayor. Tim.

Tim Alberta: (54:11)
Thanks. Moving to healthcare. An issue that voters tell us every day is still the number one priority for them. Senator Sanders, you’ve spent plenty of time discussing and defending the merits of your Medicare for all plan. But the reality is that, if Republicans retain control of the U S Senate or even if Democrats win back a narrow Senate majority, your plan as constituted probably would not have the votes to pass Congress. So the question Senator is, if Congress rejects your plan and the American people are looking to you for leadership on this issue, are there smaller specific measures that you would take immediately to expand coverage and decrease costs as president?

Bernie Sanders: (54:49)
Well Tim, at a time when we’re spending twice as much per capita on healthcare as any other nation. When 87 million people are uninsured or under insured. When 30,000 people are dying each year because they don’t get to a doctor when they should and what a half a million people are going bankrupt because of the dysfunctional and cruel system that we currently have. You know what? I think we will pass a Medicare for all, single payer system.

Bernie Sanders: (55:17)
And I will introduce that legislation in my first week in office. Now to answer your question, I think when we go out to the American people and tell them, that right now, we have got to take on the greed and corruption of the pharmaceutical industry, for example. Which in some cases charges us 10 times more for the same exact drug as it’s charged in this country. Where the American people understand that Medicare for all expands Medicare to cover home health care, dental care, eyeglasses, and hearing AIDS and does it at a cost far, far lower than what some of my opponents are talking about. You know what? We’re going to have the American people behind us. We will have Congress behind it.

Tim Alberta: (56:07)
[crosstalk 00:06:07] Thank you. Senator Sanders, Vice President Biden. I’d like to bring you in. You spent an awful lot of time 10 years ago trying to pass a bill, far less ambitious than what Senator Sanders is talking about here. Is he being realistic?

Joe Biden: (56:19)
I don’t think it is realistic, but let me explain why. I introduced a plan to build on Obamacare. It remind everybody, 20 million people got insurance, didn’t have it before. All people with preexisting conditions are able to be covered. I could go on. We didn’t get all that we wanted, but now that it’s been exposed, that taking it away has such dire consequences. I’ve added to the Obamacare plan, the Biden Initiative, which is a public option. Medicare, if you want to have Medicare.for reducing significantly the price of drugs, deductibles, et cetera by underwriting the plan to a tune of about $750 billion dollars. And making sure that we’re able to cover everyone who is in fact able to be covered. It, put your hand down for a second Bernie. Okay.

Bernie Sanders: (57:07)
Just Waving to you Joe.

Joe Biden: (57:10)
I know. So look, it covers everybody. It’s realistic and most importantly, it lets you choose what you want. Here you have 160 million people have negotiated their healthcare plans with their employer. Like many of you had. You may or may not like it. If you don’t like it, you can move into the public option that I proposed in my plan. But if you like it, you shouldn’t have Washington dictating you. You can not keep the plan you have. That’s a fun…

Tim Alberta: (57:36)
Thank you. Vice president Biden. [crosstalk 00:57:38] Senator Sanders, 45 seconds to respond.

Bernie Sanders: (57:41)
Under Joe’s plan essentially, we retain the status quo.

Joe Biden: (57:45)
That’s not true. [crosstalk 00:57:46]

Bernie Sanders: (57:46)
That is exactly true. Thank you. And by the way, Joe, under your plan, you asked me how are we going to pay for it? Under your plan I’ll tell you how we’re paying for right now. The average worker in America, their family makes 60,000 a year. That family is now paying $12,000 a year for health care. 20% of the income or the Medicare for all that family will be paying $1,200 a year because we’re eliminating the profiteering of the drug companies and the insurance companies and ending, there’s Byzantine and complex administration of thousands of separate healthcare plans.

Tim Alberta: (58:32)
[crosstalk 00:58:32] 45 seconds for Vice President Biden.

Joe Biden: (58:33)
I’m the only guy that’s not interrupted here. All right, I’m going to interrupt now. It costs 30 trillion dollars. Let’s get that straight. $30 trillion over 10 years. Some say it costs 20 trillion. Some say it cost 40. The idea that you’re going to be able to save that person making $60,000 a year on Medicare for all is absolutely preposterous. 16% of the American public is on Medicare now and everybody has a tax taken out of their paycheck now. Tell me, you’re going to add 84% more and it’s not going to be higher taxes, at least before he was honest about it. It’s going to increase personal taxes. They’re going to be…

Bernie Sanders: (59:14)
That’s right. We all got to increase personal taxes, but we’re eliminating premiums, we’re eliminating copayments, we’re eliminating deductibles, we’re eliminating all out of pocket expenses and no family in America will spend more than $200 a year on prescription drugs. [crosstalk 00:09:41]

Amy Klobuchar: (59:40)

Bernie Sanders: (59:42)
It’s first time I did this.

Amy Klobuchar: (59:43)
Okay, that’s true. I’ll say this. First of all, Bernie, I promise when I am your president, I will get our pharmaceutical bills done and we have worked together on this time and time again and I agree with you on that. But where I disagree is, I just don’t think anyone has a monopoly on bold ideas. I think you can be progressive and practical at the same time. That is why I favor a public option, which is a nonprofit option to bring the cost down and yes, it does bring the cost down immediately for 13 million people and then we’ll expand coverage to 12 million people.

Amy Klobuchar: (01:00:19)
But here’s the political problem. This fight that you guys are having isn’t real. Your fight, Bernie is not with me or with Vice President Biden. It is with all those, bunch of those new house members. Not everyone by any means, that got elected in that last election in the democratic party. It is with the new governor, democratic governor of Kentucky that wants to build on Obamacare. And the way I look at it, if you want to cross a river over some trouble waters, you build a bridge, you don’t blow one up. And I think we should build on the affordable care act. [crosstalk 00:01:01:01]

Bernie Sanders: (01:01:00)
She took my name in vain. She hurt my feelings. [crosstalk 01:01:09]

Tim Alberta: (01:01:09)
45 seconds Senator Sanders.

Bernie Sanders: (01:01:10)
All right. My fight, Amy, it’s not with the governor of Kentucky. My fight and all of our fights must be with the greed and corruption of the pharmaceutical industry. With the greed and corruption of the insurance industry. These guys last year made $100 billion in profit and tens of millions of Americans cannot afford to go to a doctor tonight. The day has got to come and Joe is not talking about it. Amy is not talking about it. The day has got to come and I will bring that day about what we finally say that the drug companies and the insurance companies, the function of health care is that provided for all of our people in a cost effective way, not to make massive profits for the drug companies and the insurance companies. [crosstalk 01:02:06]

Tim Alberta: (01:02:06)
We’d like to bring you into this discussion. The same question to you that I posed to Senator Sanders. If Congress rejects a Medicare for all proposal and you’re the president, are there smaller specific measures that you could pursue with bipartisan support to decrease costs and expand coverage?

E. Warren: (01:02:21)
So this is about costs. It’s about costs on middle class families. Last year, 36 million Americans didn’t have a prescription filled because they couldn’t afford it. And those are people with health insurance as well. People who can’t do the copays, people who can’t do the deductibles. People who find out that the drug is not covered. So here’s how I approach this. I want to do the most good I can for the most people as quickly as possible. On day one, I’m going to attack the prices on commonly used drugs like Epipens and insulin and bring down those prices.

E. Warren: (01:02:54)
The president can do that. I love saying this all by herself and I will do it. That’s going to save families hundreds of millions of dollars and then in the first hundred days, because I found a way to pay for full healthcare coverage for everyone, without raising taxes on middle class families. I’m going to make available to people for a full healthcare coverage for 135 million people. It’ll be at no cost at all and they can opt into that system. For others. It will be at a low cost. We have got to start moving and move fast [crosstalk 00:01:03:36] and do that. We can do that on 50 votes.

Tim Alberta: (01:03:38)
Thank you Senator. Judy?

Judy: (01:03:39)
We are coming to the end of our time. A lot of hands up. We apologize for that, but in the spirit of the season, I’d like to ask each one of you, is there someone else among these candidates that you would have, you have two options. One, a candidate from whom you would ask forgiveness for something, maybe that was said tonight or another time. Or a candidate to whom you would like to give a gift and I’m going to start with you, Mr. Yang.

Andrew Yang: (01:04:10)

E. Warren: (01:04:12)
We can do a labor action and just all go on strike on this one Andrew.

Tim Alberta: (01:04:35)
I don’t think I have much to ask forgiveness for or you all can correct me on this. In terms of a gift, Elizabeth has done me the honor of starting to read my book. I would love to give each of you a copy of my book. It’s about how we’re going through the greatest economic transformation in our country’s history, the fourth industrial revolution. It is grinding up our communities and D.C. Is out to lunch on this. Our media organizations are not covering it adequately. I wrote a book on it and if you like data, this book is for you. This goes for the people at home too. If you like data and books.

Judy: (01:05:16)
Mayor Buttigieg, ask forgiveness or give a gift?

Pete Buttigieg: (01:05:23)
Well, first of all, I love data and books, so I think we should all be excited about this. And come to think of it, I should probably send my book around more to. Look. I think all of us want the same thing at the end of the day. We know what a gift it would be to the future and to the country for literally anybody up here to become president of The United States compared to what we’ve got. And we got to remember there. I don’t know how many, now we’re up to 25 something, have run for president in the democratic party. The moment we’ve got a nominee, the 24 who aren’t that nominee are going to have to rally around the one who does. Let’s make sure there’s not too much to ask for forgiveness for by the time that day comes.

Judy: (01:06:14)
Senator Warren?

E. Warren: (01:06:23)
I will ask for forgiveness. I know that sometimes I get really worked up and sometimes I get a little hot. I don’t really mean to. What happens is when you do 100,000 selfies with people you hear enough stories about people who are really down to their last moments. I met someone just last week in Nevada, who said that he has diabetes and that he has access to a prescription because he’s a veteran. But his sister has diabetes, his daughter has diabetes, and they simply can’t afford insulin. So the three of them spend all of their time figuring out how to stretch one insulin prescription among three people. When I think about what we could do if we get a majority in the house, a majority in the Senate, and get back the white house, we could make this country work for people like that man. And that’s why I’m in this fight.

Judy: (01:07:34)
Vice President Biden?

E. Warren: (01:07:36)
I think everyone up here on this stage, and those are not on the stage who’ve run, we owe them because they’re all pushing for the same exact thing. You’re not the only one that does Senator. I’ve done thousands of them. And the crew that follows me can tell you there’s not one line I go through. I don’t have at least to have a dozen people come up and hug me and say, can you help me? I just lost my daughter 10 days ago. Can you help me? Tell me am I going to be okay? Can you help me? I just lost [inaudible] and they’d go and lay out their problems. My wife and I have a call list of somewhere between 20 and a hundred people that we call at least every week or every month to tell them I’m here.

E. Warren: (01:08:15)
I give them my private phone number. They keep in touch with me. A little kid who says, (stuttering) I can’t talk. What do I do? I have scores of these young women and men who I keep in contact with. And the reason I would give everyone here at gift is because they want to do something like I do, of making their lives better because there’s a lot of people who are hurting very, very, very badly.

Judy: (01:08:43)
Senator Sanders? Forgiveness or a gift?

Bernie Sanders: (01:08:45)
Well, I can give out any one of four books that I wrote. But I think the gift that all of us need to give to the American people is a very different vision of the reality of the Trump administration. And the vision that we need to bring forth, is to create a government and a nation based on love and compassion, not greed and hatred. We need a vision which says that in our great country, all of our people should be able to earn a decent standard of living, have health care, have the ability to send their kids to college regardless of their income. So we need a new vision, which brings our people together. Around an agenda that works for all, not the Trump vision of dividing us up to benefit the billionaire class. That’s my vision.

Judy: (01:09:53)
Senator Klobuchar.?

Amy Klobuchar: (01:09:56)
Well, I’d ask for forgiveness anytime any of you get mad at me. I can be blunt, but I am doing this because I think it is so important to pick the right candidate here. I do. I think when you see what’s going on around the country, yes, it’s the economic check that Elizabeth and Bernie have so well pointed out on this stage, but there’s something else going on here and it is a decency check. It is a values check. It is a patriotism check. When you see people, and we’ve all had this happen, that come to our meetings and say yeah, I voted for Donald Trump but I don’t want to do it again because I want my kids to be able to watch the president on TV and not mute the TV. We have to remember as Democrats, and if I get worked up about this, it’s because I believe it’s so much in my heart, that we have to bring people with us and not shut them out. That is the gift we can give America in this election.

Judy: (01:11:04)
Mr Steyer?

Tom Steyer: (01:11:06)
So, look, this is the holiday season and what I’m hearing from every single one of these candidates is that they’ve gone around the United States and what they’ve seen from this administration and what they’ve seen from the Republican party is cruelty towards the people of the United States for money. So when I think about the gift that I’d like to give, and I’ve seen that too. I mean I think it starts with cruelty. When children are born and it goes right through life into pre-K, education, health care, a living wage, there is cruelty to working people, there’s cruelty to seniors.

Tom Steyer: (01:11:43)
And so the gift that I’d like to give everyone on this stage, which was the original question, is the gift of teamwork. Because the question up here is, how are we together going to change this framework? How are we together, going to beat this corrupt and criminal president? How are we going to stand up for the people of the United States together? Not by tearing each other down, but by supporting each other and by realizing that what we stand for is the true value of America. And as a team that’s how we’re going to do it. And as Americans, we’re going to come together to stand up for the original values, freedom, equality, justice, teamwork.

Judy: (01:12:31)
We are going to take a very short break. That does conclude our questions tonight here at Loyola Marymount university. We’ll be back in just two minutes to hear the candidates closing statements.

Closing Statements

Judy Woodruff: (00:00)
Welcome back to the PBS news hour Democratic debate with Politico and now it’s time for closing statements.

Judy Woodruff: (00:11)
Each have 60 seconds beginning with Mr. Steyer.

Tom Steyer: (00:15)
I’m different from everybody else on this stage and here’s why, I’m running because corporations have bought our government and we need to return power to the people. And for the last 10 years, that’s exactly what I’ve been doing, taking on unchecked corporate power. That’s why I’m for term limits, because if we’re going to have bold change, then we need new people in charge and new ideas. I’m the only person on this stage who’s built a large, multi billion dollar international business. I know how to grow prosperity. I can take on Mr. Trump on the economy and beat him. I’m the only one on this stage who said climate is my number one priority. It’s a crisis we have to deal with, but it’s also our greatest opportunity to create millions of good paying union jobs across the country and clean up the air and water and the black and brown communities where it’s so essential. So if you want to break the corporate stranglehold, beat Mr. Trump on the economy and solve our climate crisis. I can deliver-

Judy Woodruff: (01:14)
Mr. Yang.

Tom Steyer: (01:15)
and I’m asking for your vote.

Judy Woodruff: (01:16)
Sorry, my apology for interrupting. Mr. Yang.

Andrew Yang: (01:22)
I know what you’re thinking. America, how am I still on this stage with them? [crosstalk 00:01:31]

Andrew Yang: (01:31)
Our campaign is growing all the time because we are laser focused on solving the real problems that got Donald Trump elected in the first place. I spent seven years helping create thousands of jobs in Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans and other cities, serving as an ambassador of entrepreneurship under President Obama, and I saw firsthand what many of you already know, our country is falling apart. Our senior citizens are working until the day they die. Our kids are addicted to smartphones or drugs. We’re seeing record high levels of depression, suicides, overdoses. Our companies are recording record profits while our people are literally dying younger. Our way of life is changing faster than ever. And the simple fact is this, our politicians in D C succeed whether we the people succeed or fail. Washington DC today is the richest city in our country. What do they produce? Bad decisions? We need to get the money out of DC and into your hands, the hands of the American people. Join us in and help us rewrite the rules of the 20th century economy to work for us.

Judy Woodruff: (02:42)
Thank you, Senator [crosstalk 00:02:46] Senator Klobuchar

Amy Klobuchar: (02:47)
We have had quite a debate tonight, but I want to debate Donald Trump. This primary comes down to some simple questions. Who has the best ideas, the best experience, mostly, who can beat Donald Trump and how will she do it? So Donald Trump built his fortune on over time, over $413 million that he got from his Dad. My Grandpa, he was an iron ore miner, a union member who worked 1500 feet underground, and he saved money in a coffee can in the basement to send my Dad to a community college. That’s my family trust.

Amy Klobuchar: (03:25)
And I figure if you are given opportunity, you don’t go into the world with a sense of entitlement. You go into it with a sense of obligation. An obligation to lift people up instead of hoarding what you have for yourself. Our politics right now because of Donald Trump are toxic. We need a leader who can bring people together and who can win that way. So if you are tired of the extremes in our politics and the noise and the nonsense, you have a home with me. If you want a bigger tent and a wider coalition and longer coattails, join me. We will win at

Judy Woodruff: (04:04)
Thank you. [crosstalk 00:04:08] Mayor Buttigieg

Pete Buttigieg: (04:11)
So the nominee is going to have to do two things, defeat Donald Trump, and unite the country as president. It’s a tall order. And in order to do it, we’re going to need a nominee and a president who can respond to the crisis of belonging that is gripping our nation today. That means building up a politics that is defined, not by who we exclude, not by who we reject, but by how many people we can call to this side. I have seen so many people capable of forming that multiracial, multi generational coalition and I’m seeing more and more people who maybe have not felt welcome in the Democratic party before, but belong here now, because they’re definitely not on board with what’s going on in the Trump white house. I am asking you to join me, to vote for me to caucus for me and to help us build that future defined not by exclusion but by belonging.

Judy Woodruff: (05:19)
Senator Warren

E. Warren: (05:22)
Did you call my name? This is a dark moment in America and yet I come here tonight with a heart filled with hope. All three of my brothers served in the military. They’re all retired. They’re all back in Oklahoma. One is a Democrat, two are Republicans. But you know what unites my three brothers Amazon, they are furious that Amazon reported $10 billion in profits and paid zero in taxes. My brothers are part of why is ready to root out corruption and fight back, and that gives us a base to work from. America is ready for 2 cent wealth tax. It’s supported by Republicans, Democrats and Independents, and it lets us invest in all of our children.

E. Warren: (06:14)
America is ready to expand social security payments and disability payments by $200 a month and we can do it. You know, someone asks what this would mean, you just give somebody $200 a month. They asked me this in a town hall, and a lady who wanted it said, “you know what it will mean to me. It’ll mean I can get a prescription filled, and I can still buy toilet paper this same week.” That’s where Americans are right now. I am not working for millionaires and billionaires. I’m here to work for the tens of millions of people across this country who are ready to build an America that won’t just work those at the top, but that will work for everyone.

Judy Woodruff: (06:58)
Thank you. Senator Sanders

Bernie Sanders: (07:05)
45 years, Americans have been listening to great speeches, and at the end of the day, the average American worker is not making a nickel more than he or she did in real wages, over those 45 years. The truth is that real change always takes place. Real change always takes place from the bottom on up, never from the top on down. And that is why in this campaign, I am so proud that we have over a million volunteers. We have some of the strongest grassroots organizations. We have raised more individual contributions than any candidate in American history. Please join the political revolution Let’s defeat Trump. Let’s transform this country. Thank you.

Judy Woodruff: (08:04)
And finally Vice President Biden.

Joe Biden: (08:06)
Thank you very much for listening, seven days out, Christmas. Thank you very much. Look, we all have big progressive plans and the question is, who can deliver on those plans? And it seems to me we have to ask ourselves three questions straight up and honestly. Who has the best chance, most likely chance of defeating Donald Trump? Who is the one who’s most likely to do that? Number two, who can help elect Democrats to the United States Senate, in States like North Carolina and Georgia and Arizona and other States.

Joe Biden: (08:40)
And thirdly, who can deliver legislatively? That requires you to look at our records. I have a significant record of getting significant things done from the Violence Against Women Act and the Chemical Weapons Treaty in foreign and domestic policy alike. And so I think asking those questions, I believe, as you expect, that I’m the most qualified to answer those three questions. But most of all, we’ve got to level with the American people. Don’t play games with them, tell them the truth and be authentic. God bless you all and may you all have a great, great holiday season and thank you guys for doing this as well.

Judy Woodruff: (09:11)
Thank you.

Judy Woodruff: (09:12)
Thank you very much. And that concludes the PBS news hour Politico debate. I do want to thank my colleagues here at the moderator table, Tim Alberta of Politico, Amna Nawaz and Yamiche Alcindor of the PBS news hour.

Judy Woodruff: (09:32)
Thank you all for joining us. Please stick around and watch PBS for some analysis. Thank you to the candidates.

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